UT Austin Hit By Massive Security Breach
Posted by
timothy
on Thu Mar 06, 2003 01:11 PM
from the wonder-if-they-got-mine dept.
from the wonder-if-they-got-mine dept.
mrpuffypants writes "Reported in the Austin-American Statesman: The University of Texas' security was compromised over the weekend, leaking out nearly 60,000 records on students, staff, and faculty. Official word from the school can be found here. Most troubling of all is that, like most schools, UT still uses SSNs for student ID numbers, and that was part of the information taken from them in the attack."
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All they got... (Score:5, Funny)
Phew, I feel so much better now!
Re:All they got... (Score:5, Insightful)
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What's the big panic about SSNs? (Score:4, Informative)
(http://slashdot.org/)
Why are Americans so paranoid about who knows their SSN?
Re:What's the big panic about SSNs? (Score:5, Insightful)
(http://slashdot.org/)
It's like security through the obscurity of these numbers.
Re:What's the big panic about SSNs? (Score:5, Insightful)
(Last Journal: Sunday April 16 2006, @09:28PM)
2. It's an antiquated system. Back in the day, before massive amounts of information were available on computer, you'd occasionally hear about a guy who's number was stolen. It's a bad thing, but it was a rarity. The system worked because your number was secret, and there were few real ways to get it.
These days, SSN's are being compromised by thousands at a time. This is a broken system, and it should be fixed.
Perhaps thumbprints or retinal scans as a system of identification. But if you think about it, this leaves us with the same problem. The retinal or thumb image needs to be kept somewhere for the purposes of comparison. The files can be stolen just as easily as SSN's.
Maybe there is no solution.
crypto is a solution (Score:5, Insightful)
There's a solution if you use cryptography. Assign everybody a social security number. Also, give them a private key (or better, let them pick their own). Then, publish everyone's social security numbers and the public keys that match up with their private keys. (The government could even provide a service that allows people to look up public keys based on social security number.)
Then, everyone's number is out in the open. Whenever you want to do something with it, you create a message along the lines of this:
Then you sign that message with your private key. Once you've done that, anyone can use your public key to verify the signature. That means they can be assured that, unless someone has stolen your private key or broken the crypto, it could only have been you that wrote that message.
Thus, your social security number becomes public knowledge, but that doesn't help anybody because they'd need your private key to do anything with it. And, most importantly, there never is any situation where you have to give your private key to anyone. Your secret remains your own. No third-party ever gets a copy of it. This is important for two reasons:
Re:crypto is a solution (Score:4, Insightful)
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Re:What's the big panic about SSNs? (Score:4, Insightful)
Why are Americans so paranoid about who knows their SSN?
Because I can use your SSN to apply for a credit card in your name and then, when the bill comes due, it falls on your head (until you explain that that wasn't actually you). Then I can do it again.
Re:What's the big panic about SSNs? (Score:4, Informative)
(http://spielwelt6.mo.../?ac=vid&vid=3037060)
In Germany, the post offers a service called postident [deutschepost.de] - the mail carrier will only give you the letter if you show him your passport, and he'll send the passport number back to the sender of the letter.
The system is in place for years, afaik it's the only way to open accounts at internet only banks. No need for a magic SSN.
Re:What's the big panic about SSNs? (Score:4, Informative)
From that I can only assume that you live in the US ? Which, I guess, just proves my point that it is a system just waiting to be abused.
Never mind what those spams may say, in Europe you cannot get a bankaccount without applying in person. I guess there may be CC companies that are so eager to close that they trust me without proof. But I reckon that even those will send letters to your address that you have to return to them, signed. Which does prove at least two things to them: (A) you have physical access to the mailbox/streetaddress you supplied, and (B) they have your signature on paper, which can be useful to prove you signed it (and if need be, all the way though handwriting recognition experts).
In any case, that is better than nothing.
Why there hasn't been any reform on SSNs (Score:4, Interesting)
(Last Journal: Sunday April 17 2005, @07:20PM)
Every effort to reduce the power of credit bureaus and protect individual privacy has been defeated or weakened by the credit bureaus and credit issuing companies. Their claim is that a central database tied to everyone's SSN is critical to doing business. Of course, they neglect to mention that they do plenty of business outside of the US without having such a system in place, AND the fact that SSNs are not guaranteed to be unique.
At this point, reasonable souls would start to question whether this is a government for the people, by the people, or a government for big business, buy the politicians! Face it, it won't be until the system is completely broken, with millions of people affected, and with the costs of keeping the current way of doing business too high to continue, that they'll change. By then, it'll be too damn late...
I wish I had known... (Score:3, Funny)
(http://www.dotcomicide.com/ | Last Journal: Thursday July 03 2003, @12:46PM)
Action (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Action (Score:4, Insightful)
As I undertsand, the SSN isn't even a *good* unique identifier - for one thing it has no built-in checksum, and it's possible that your number isn't unique (could be wrong on the latter, but it's not really my point..)
Just issuing consecutive numbers to students who enrol is just one extremely simple way to replace using SSNs.
My bank issues me a number that identifies my account, my mobile phone company gives me a number to identify my phone, why is it so hard for unis to issue numbers to identify students?
Why were the unis in Washington so unhappy with the change? Sure, a few thousand people need to be given numbers and that can take a while to physically issue - but if the law allowed, perhaps a phased implementation of the scheme, so new people are given one of the new numbers?
I used to go to UT Austin (Score:3, Informative)
Re:I used to go to UT Austin (Score:4, Informative)
(Last Journal: Tuesday November 05 2002, @10:55AM)
Am I Affected?
Is your SSN in the following ranges?
449-31-98xx - 450-91-24xx
451-12-32xx - 451-20-35xx
451-20-64xx - 452-20-40xx
If so, within these ranges, 55,200 people of the following types, including but not limited to:
Current students, faculty and staff
Former students, faculty and staff
Job applicants
Retirees
may be affected.
Slightly OT - choice of credentials (Score:5, Interesting)
But why are SSNs so sensitive? It's like a credit card number -- it's printed some places, gets bandied about in others. Not exactly confidential, and no intuitive or documented boundaries on who should be trusted to with it. So it's a scary number that can be used for bad things, but you'll have to give it out in many circumstances where you aren't fully aware of how it'll be used. Makes it tricky to know who has it, or to make an informed decision about where you use it.
Again, it's easy to see how the practice of using it as a credential has continued (and got worse), but when did it start?
Re:Slightly OT - choice of credentials (Score:4, Informative)
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Who would have thunk it?
Re:Slightly OT - choice of credentials (Score:5, Informative)
A bigger problem is that everyone assumes SSNs are unique. They aren't. At best they can only uniquely identify 1 billion people. "Easy," you say, "There aren't 1 billion people in the United States." There were 281 million in 2000. The birth rate is 14.5 per 1000, and the death rate is 8.7 per 1000. While the birth rate is declining, the life expectancy of a person is lengthening. Additionally, it can not be expected that the birth rate will continue to decline to 0. This means that, while it won't happen any time soon, eventually there will be more than 1 billing people in the US.
The next problem is that when you die, your SSN is NOT REUSED until your estate is closed, at a minimum. My mother's estate was not closed for nearly two YEARS after her death, and hers was a simple estate. Some accounting setups could cause you SSN to be used for many years after your death.
Re:Slightly OT - choice of credentials (Score:5, Insightful)
(http://www.flying-rhenquest.net/)
If someone is using a driver's license acquired in your name with your social security number, they could very well build up a criminal record in your name in some other state. A routine traffic stop could then lead to you getting arrested.
With that in mind, if someone asks you what yours is, the first thing that comes out of your mouth should not be that number. It should be "I don't think you need to know that information." Note that in the historical past (I don't know if this is still true) if you knew someone's name and birth date, you could use an Internet information service to find out their social security number and criminal history.
Are the stolen records ever used? (Score:5, Interesting)
(http://home.cogeco.ca/~storage/index.html | Last Journal: Thursday March 20 2003, @09:33AM)
Who needs to hack, just work for a university (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:As a recent graduate... (Score:4, Informative)
You can't (not to say that you shouldn't make it more difficult, but just don't fool yourself into thinking that it's possible to do absoultely). It's like your house or car, you can take steps to make it more difficult to break in/steal, but there is absolutely nothing you can do to stop someone is wants to target YOU. So the best thing to do is to introduce a bit of paranoia in your life and assume therefore that it COULD happen and adjust accordingly. So for you're indentity, you do regular checks of your credit report, you keeps tabs on your bank accounts, you review your credit card statements, etc. The absolute worse thing that can happen is for someone to grab your identity and use it for a length of time without your knowledge. Getting your cc company to forgive unauthorized purchases is easy, as long as you do it within 30 days of your statement. Having someone apply for a cc with your info can bite you in the butt if you're trying to buy that car or get that mortgage, so you make sure you check well in advance and make sure that window of exposure is a small as possible.
from what Ive seen (Score:3, Interesting)
(Last Journal: Monday January 17 2005, @05:36AM)
Its a very scary.. but what can you do..
Penalties (Score:5, Interesting)
(http://slashdot.org/)
Not to adapt a blame-the-victim mindset, but I mean really, why is this stuff on an internet-connected machine to begin with? I work in health care, and with HIPAA coming into effect, we've been moving a substantial part of our network off the internet -- if there's no physical connection, we can't get hacked.
This stuff needs to be taken seriously, and not just in punishing the offenders. Look at it this way: If your bank got robbed tomorrow and all the items in your safe deposit box were made off with, would you blame the bank if you found out that the vault was left open and the deposit boxes were made of cardboard? I sure would.
Re:Penalties (Score:4, Informative)
(Last Journal: Monday April 22 2002, @12:59PM)
Clarification? (Score:5, Insightful)
On another note, UT is phasing out SSN in many aspects of the students life. My wifes UT ID does not contain her ssn, it has a student # now. Though I assume that there are still many points of interface with the UT system that expects to see ssn.
Yikes... (Score:3, Interesting)
(http://forechecker.blogspot.com/ | Last Journal: Friday September 07, @08:16PM)
Colleges and Universities need to fix systems! (Score:3, Interesting)
(http://www.reversecorruption.com/)
At least the University is acting responsibly... (Score:5, Interesting)
It is good to see the University being so frank and honest about this matter. I am sure some heads are gonna roll, but at least the people affected will be provided with information and know how it happened.
Speaking of how it happened... the article does not go into technical details, but I am curious how this database was accessible to the world and was spitting out data to qualifying queries of SSNs without any security context... I am sure someone here on
Re:At least the University is acting responsibly.. (Score:4, Funny)
(Last Journal: Thursday May 04 2006, @03:31PM)
Unfortunately the literal translation of this is:
I am so fired!
The bigger breach . . . (Score:3, Funny)
(http://slashdot.org/~GMontag/journal/ | Last Journal: Tuesday December 04, @09:01AM)
We demand that our child State of Texas cease and decist in the molestation of our look and feel.
Sincerely,
Volunteer Graduate of 1994
PS, The UTK English Department is the Home of the Vowels [harbrace.com]
Hey, here's an idea (Score:3, Interesting)
(Last Journal: Sunday July 29, @06:59PM)
Apart from that all of the credit reporting, etc. goes through shadow companies that you can do nothing to if they screw you over (IE issue a credit card to a you that's not you).
We need to make using an SSN for identification purposes entirely illegal, credit card companies and banks be damned. Or say it is a National ID and come up with a better way of securing identities.
at least some are getting smarter (Score:5, Interesting)