Operation Acoustic Kitty 253
rockville writes: "Remember the Cold War, when intelligence agencies had no oversight and a blank check? Now that those days are back, here's a good object lesson: the Chicago Sun-Times has details about Operation Acoustic Kitty, a CIA program to wire a cat to spy on the Soviet Union. Feel free to be either shocked at the depravity or shocked at the stupidity. The first prototype is also a nominee for Worst Presentation Ever." Hmmm. Last time I posted a story about cats, I got angry email from cat-lovers. Let's see what happens this time.
Combining Two Projects... (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Combining Two Projects... (Score:4, Funny)
He was supposed to inject female hormones in them to make Hitler appear more feminine and thus loose his appeal.
The gardener probably didn't have the guts to do it, as Hitler never lost his mustache... Cool idea though
An apology (Score:2)
Kitty Special Ops rules of engagement! (Score:5, Funny)
Kitty Rules
Bathrooms:
Always accompany guests to the bathroom. It is not necessary to do anything. Just sit and stare.
Doors:
Do not allow any closed doors in any room. To get door open, stand on your hind legs and hammer with forepaws. Once door is opened, it is not necessary to use it. Especially after you have ordered an "outside" door opened, stand halfway in and out and think about several things. This is particularly important during very cold weather, rain, snow, or mosquito season.
Chairs and Rugs:
If you have to throw up, get to a chair quickly. If you cannot manage in time, get to an Oriental rug. If there is no Oriental rug, shag is good. When throwing up on the carpet, make sure you back up so the mess is as long as a human's bare foot.
Hampering:
If one of your humans is engaged in some activity and the other is idle, stay with the busy one. This is called "helping" otherwise known as "hampering". Here are the rules for hampering:
1) when supervising cooking, sit just behind the left heel of the cook. You cannot be seen and thereby stand a better chance of being stepped on and then picked up and comforted.
2) for book reading, get in close under the chin, between eyes and book, unless you can lie across the book itself.
3) for paperwork, lie on the work in the most appropriate manner so as to obscure as much of the work as possible and pretend to doze, but every so often reach out and slap the pencil or pen.
4) for people paying bills or working on income taxes or Christmas cards, keep in mind the aim; to hamper! First sit on the paper being worked on. When dislodged, watch sadly from the side of the table. When activity proceeds nicely, roll around on the papers, scattering them to the best of your ability. After being removed for the second time, push pens, pencils and erasers off the table, one at a time.
5) when a human is holding the newspaper in front of them, be sure to jump at the back of the paper, preferably with a running start. Humans love surprises.
6) when a human is working at computer, jump on the desk, walk across keyboard, bat at the mouse pointer on screen, then lay on the human's lap across arms, hampering typing.
Walking:
As often as possible, dart quickly and as close as possible in front of the human, especially on stairs, when they have something in their arms, in the dark, and when they first get up in the morning. This will help your human with their coordination skills.
Bedtime:
Always sleep on the human at night so he/she cannot move around.
Litter Box:
When using the litter box, be sure to kick as much litter out of the box as possible. Humans love the feel of kitty litter between their toes.
Hiding:
Every now and then, hide in a place where the humans cannot find you. Do not come out for three to four hours under any circumstances. This will cause the humans to panic (which they love) thinking that you have run away or are lost. Once you do come out, the humans will cover you with love and kisses and you will probably get a treat.
One last thought:
Whenever possible, get close to a human, especially their face, turn around and present your butt to them. Humans love this, so do it
often and, don't forget guests.
Re:Kitty Special Ops rules of engagement! (Score:2)
That was only the beginning (Score:2, Interesting)
This also reminds me of the bionic insects I have seen in various magazines such as Popular Science. Cats were only the beginning I will state again.
Re:That was only the beginning (Score:1, Interesting)
Of course, if seen, it might be harder to avoid getting killed than with a cat.
On a slightly offtopic note, does anyone remember the game Bad Mojo, where you had to steer a cockroach around a bunch of obstacles? That might be good training for future spy-insect operators
Re:That was only the beginning (Score:2, Interesting)
As long as the radio control works though, if not the then the fly is at risk for being swatted because it will either be in control of it's self, go out of control, or it will drop and be noticed.
Re:That was only the beginning (Score:2, Insightful)
The last problem is that, unlike cockroaches, flies can't carry five times their weight while flying around, so you'd have to really miniaturize the electronic equipment. After all, you'd need two cameras (for 3D viewing), wireless transmission equipment and electrodes, all really lightweight and attached in such a way that it doesn't get in the way of wings or legs.
All in all, I think remote-control flies might still be quite a while off. Cockroaches will have to do for now.
Re:That was only the beginning (Score:1, Insightful)
Mimicry of biosystems is a good way to learn, but it will be a very long time (if ever) before we can make a robot fly that has even a tiny fraction of the capabilities of a real fly. (Just try and duplicate those compound eyes...) The same goes for cats, which explains the rationale behind this truly gruesome experiment - they knew they couldn't make a fake cat that would fool anyone, so they implanted the smallest radio transmitter they could get into a real cat. (And remember that in 1966, even the best one-off military technology might have made that a sizable package...)
Not that easy..... (Score:4, Informative)
How do I know, you ask?
I'm a neuroscience graduate student who works in a lab that studies cockroach neurophysiology and movement control:
http://www.life.uiuc.edu/delcomyn/
Yes, we can GUIDE the motions, by stimulating parts of the CPG (central pattern generators) in cockroach motor control - each pair of legs in cockroaches have internal movement pattern generators, as well as connections to other legs as well as the higher CNS ganglia. This still doesn't mean we have total control, or even relatively FINE control - something that would be required for this kind of fantasy "bug" intelligence work. It's really not that practical, and I doubt it will ever be - a lot more can be acheived by remote sensing technology, or possibly MEMS-type sensors.
Sincerely,
Kevin Christie
Neuroscience Program
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
crispiewm@hotmail.com
Re:Not that easy..... (Score:3, Insightful)
You'd have real problems getting a grant to do these experiments on babies, or even on volunteers. Messing with nervous systems could (a) cause lots of pain, and (b) damage the nerves so that the person is paralysed. But with cockroaches, who cares? If it gets paralysed, squish it and move on to another one. Why roaches? Well, they're large insects, so presumably it's easier to trace the nerves. And I'd guess insects are easier to deal with due to their exoskeleton - if you need to attach something to an insect, you can glue it to the outside and be sure it won't come off. With mammals and reptiles, you've always got the problem of attaching stuff securely to skin. And of course, there's the PETA issue - pictures of cute fluffy mice in labs are good for publicity, but no-one's going to object to experiments on roaches bcos they're not photogenic!
Maybe you need to reconsider how medical research is done. Transplants were _not_ done on humans, they were done on chimps, rats, dogs, etc first.
Grab.
Ridiculous idea (Score:1, Interesting)
There's an old saying about trying to herd cats...
Seriously though, what were they thinking? Apart from the moral and ethical depravity of it, logically it seems like a pretty stupid plan to begin with: Was the cat fed wet food from a picture of the person whom it was supposed to befriend? For anyone who has a cat, you know from the beginning that these morons obviously didn't.
Declassified documents on Acoustic Kitty (Score:5, Informative)
The "Acoustic Kitty" is one of the CIA's many failures. You can download the declassified documents at George Washington University [gwu.edu]. Most relevent is Document 27: Views on Trained Cat Use [gwu.edu]. Interesting read straight from the horse's mouth.
Fun with fill-in-the-blanks (Score:1)
Memorandum for: (blank)
Subject: (blank) Views on Trained Cats (blank) for (blank) Use
1. Our final examination of trained cats (blank) for (blank) use in the (blank) convinced us that the program would not lend itself in a practical sense to our highly specialized needs. Repeated checks on the state of training and equipment showed us that it was indeed possible to train (long blank) locations; we were not able to visualize (blank) (blank) use for this technique under conditions that prevail (blank).
2. We have satisfied ourselves that it is indeed possible (very long blank). This is in itself a remarkable scientific achievement. Knowing that cats can indeed be trained to move short distances (blank) (blank) we see know reason to believe that a (blank) cat can not be similarly trained to approach (blank). Again, however, the environmental and security factors in using this technique in a real foreign situation force us to conclude that, for our (blank) purposes, it would not be practical.
3. The work done on this problem over the years reflects great credit on the personnel who guided it, particularly (blank) whose energy and imagination could be models for scientific pioneers.
(signed by blank)
Re:Fun with fill-in-the-blanks (Score:1)
that should've been enough to get the project canceled right at the beginning ...
Re:Fun with fill-in-the-blanks (Score:2)
Re:Declassified documents on Acoustic Kitty (Score:1)
They mocked my research! But I'll show them, I'll show them all! Hordes of highly trained special kitty operatives will spring from my underground base and bring the world to it's knees! Bwah hah hah hah!
I would've gotten away with it, if not for you kids!
I wonder if you could genetically engineer a form of anthrax that didn't kill the cat but did kill people and was released in the cats dander (where it could nonlethaly infect other cats).
How about the NSA? Sure, the NSA makes mistakes, but it never tries to sick killer felines on people, and none of it's agents collect human ears. More amusing stories of CIA stupidity and brutality can be found here [angelfire.com]. Not to mention the big brutal stupidity of the CIAs unconscionable behavior in, you guessed it, Afghanistan.
Re:Trained Cat? Hilarious... (Score:2)
And then... (Score:1)
Wodka! Wodka! (Score:5, Funny)
General1: "Pavelovich? what is your kitty doing here?"
General2: "It is not my kitty..."
General1: "I wonder if it is true Russian Kitty..."
General2: "I will fetch the Vodka."
General1: "Let us see if you drink Vodka like true Russian Kitty..."
-- Dan =)
Re:Wodka! Wodka! (Score:5, Funny)
Good plan, CIA!
Re:Wodka! Wodka! (Score:1)
success? (Score:2, Funny)
Clearly suicide.
And BTW, you guys think maybe the parts that are still classified are the ones about the later models that worked right?
Listen to me, I'm talking about cyborg cats like I would about cars...
Re:success? (Score:1)
That's a better idea than... (Score:1)
Re:That's a better idea than... (Score:2, Funny)
giving the boys acid and letting them jump out of windows...
then landed into the CIA and came up with this cool surveillance idea that involved cats....
idiotic idea (Score:1)
What the heck else did the CIA try?
Bonsai! (Score:4, Funny)
http://www.bonsaikitten.com
Re:Bonsai! (Score:2)
Well, at least it's nice to see our government standing up for kitten rights by harassing people who make jokes about h4x0ring kittens.
What was that old saying about people who accuse someone of doing "X" are more than likely guilty of "X" themselves?
red mice (Score:1)
I posted this a month ago (Score:1)
Sigh.... (Score:5, Insightful)
But we know about those, so perhaps I am incorrect. Perhaps we only hear about what they do wrong; after all, the failure means that it is no threat to our security (except our loss of faith in the CIA?). After all, it's whatever succeeded that would need to be kept secret, so that it could continue to work. You have to wonder... if they make enough stupid mistakes, and know they're stupid enough to be benign in regard to security, perhaps the CIA is somewhat smarter than we think. They know what they do wrong, then perhaps they know what they do right. They'll just never get credit for any of it.
Golly gee, I've refuted myself again.
Twit (Score:2)
Although it is a humourous idea naetheless. After all, in all the movies the guards don't worry about the noise when they see the cat. I can see the new scene:
Wow, it was a wonder-weapon!
Re:Twit (Score:2)
Actually, I agree. The concept is great. The execution, on the other hand, left much to be desired.
I have visions of two agents looking at each other, then at the squashed cat, and saying "OK, suppose we got this large wooden badger..." as they realize that someone forgot that getting a cat to go where you want it to go is a nontrivial proposition.
I think the Japanese experiments where they glued mini-cameras onto cockroaches, and controlled cockroach movements by remote control, are a good step in the right direction.
And for those who don't enjoy the cloak-and-dagger stuff, it would also come in handy for search-and-rescue operations.
(Though in response to your "Guard 1 / Guard 2" scenario, I'd think "VOA: 'Godless Taliban Guards Machine-Gun Kitten to Death! Click here for .rm file'" would be more appropriate :-)
Sick observation: ...because obviously, footage of Taliban troops machine-gunning human females to death didn't outrage us enough over the past 5-6 years. Maybe kittens are what it'll take.
Imagine... (Score:1, Funny)
Re:Imagine... (Score:3, Funny)
Why are you guys groaning???
Whats the big news? (Score:1, Funny)
Hmmm... (Score:1)
Why don't they spend all that money developing a passable Russian accent so they don't need the bloody cat?
They're lucky. (Score:1)
Maybe that was their nefarious plan all along!
Re:They're lucky. (Score:2)
This time (Score:5, Funny)
Ummm...angry letters from CIA lovers?
The scary thing (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:The scary thing (Score:2)
Liza
Re:The scary thing (Score:3, Funny)
..... (Score:1)
well.... (Score:1, Flamebait)
Bugger (Score:4, Funny)
For the benefit of the many who are not enlightened enough to be Australian this is funny because we have a Toyota(?) advert over here which involves a farm ute being used for various tasks, the ute is supposedly very powerful and goes over board for every task here are some examples:
Pulling stump out of ground: Stump gets airborne and smashes up dunny (outside toilet)
Dog tries to jump onto ute but ute takes off, dog lands in mud and dog says bugger.
You probably don't have the idea yet but believe me, it is funny (Could some of you other Aussies back me up here before the karma police lock me up?)
Re:Bugger (Score:1)
That is a kiwi ad, geez guys what you gonna try to steal off us next
We have a few cricketers you are welcome to, assuming of course you don't break them all on us over next few days.
ratty
Re:Bugger (Score:1)
www.adcritic.com hosts it, needs quicktime but oh well, it IS funny
Re:Bugger (Score:1)
Sorry but I'm not australian ... what's an 'ute' or specifically a 'farm ute?'
And what's a 'dunny?'
Re:Bugger (Score:1)
A "ute" is a utility vehicle, which is the UV part of SUV. So a "farm ute" is the sort of utility vehicle (4x4) that one would find a farmer driving.
A "dunny" is a toilet.
Re:Bugger (Score:3, Funny)
But of course they are smaller than the american ones, usually have 4 cyl engines.
Hence, the term "utility", as opposed to "penis-substitution".
Re:Bugger (Score:1)
speaker: "Please place your order"
dog: "Burger"
(speakers line may differ from original advert. Hey... it was a long time ago)
Re:Bugger (Score:2)
I'll back you up, and I'm not even an Aussie. I'm from the US, but I was working over the pond for a month a few years ago. And this commercial had me rolling on the floor of my hotel room laughing, not just once, but at least the first 5 or 6 times I saw it. And it still cracks me up...
Cheers!
Isn't this one of those recycled /. stories... (Score:1)
Re:Isn't this one of those recycled /. stories... (Score:1)
hmm (Score:1)
Try it today (Score:1)
This business of slitting kitties open is just disgusting. I can't see how spending this type of money on such a project could be beneficial, even during the cold war. It seems the money would have been better spent on finding other techniques, or improving the technology.
It should be interesting to view the documents and see just what was going on. Anybody have any sort of information on how this released information could be found? I'm also interested to see what kind of "sensoring" they have done to it. =)
Re:Try it today (Score:2)
Grab.
Still, though... (Score:1, Funny)
All I want is... (Score:5, Funny)
FRAU FARBISSINA: Dr. Evil?
DR. EVIL CIA GUY: Yes, what is it? You're interrupting my moment of triumph.
FRAU FARBISSINA: It's about the sharks. Since you were frozen, they've been placed on the Endangered Species List. We tried to get some, but it will take months to clear up the red tape.
DR. EVIL: Right. Mr. Kremlin, we're going to lower you in a tank of piranhas with laser beams attached to their heads.
FRAU FARBISSINA: *cough*
DR. EVIL CIA GUY: What is it now?
FRAU FARBISSINA: Well, we experimented with lasers, but you would be surprised at how heavy they are. They actually outweighed the piranha themselves, and the fish, well, they sank to the bottom and died.
DR. EVIL CIA GUY: I have one simple request and that's sharks with friggin' laser beams attached to their heads, and it can't be done? Remind me again why I pay you people? What do we have?
FRAU FARBISSINA: Cats.
DR. EVIL CIA GUY: Right.
FRAU FARBISSINA: They're mutated cats. With surveillance devices.
DR. EVIL CIA GUY: Really? Are they ill-tempered?
national security archive (Score:1)
ALL YOUR FELINES ARE BELONG TO US (Score:1)
and asking me to put a wire on MY pussy.
Barney Fife: I say this calls for action and now! Nip it in the bud!
Re:ALL YOUR FELINES ARE BELONG TO US (Score:2)
Maybe not the CIA, but I would gladly attach a survillence device to YOUR pussy.
Re: (Score:1)
Comment removed (Score:5, Funny)
Re: (Score:2)
Other Kitty projects (Score:1)
This isn't a troll! Its just that the very thought of the sound that a cat would make as you tried to shove it into a blender would be...interesting. And it is therefore worth mentioning.
Monstrous (Score:1)
And this really floored me:
He said: "They took it out to a park and put him out of the van, and a taxi comes and runs him over. There they were, sitting in the van with all those dials, and the cat was dead."
This was on TV years ago... (Score:3, Informative)
Wrong title... (Score:2, Informative)
BBC's propensity for losing stuff (Score:2)
Uh....and you think this is NEW?!?! (Score:1)
Conspiracy theorists of the world, unite. (Score:5, Interesting)
So reading a hair past the ha-ha bad product description, we've learned that the CIA can stick a wire into your head and change the way you feel.
And they knew how to do this in 1960. Damn, but they must have some cool toys by now.
Re:Conspiracy theorists of the world, unite. (Score:2, Insightful)
"Terminal Man", by Michael Crichton (Score:2)
Catcalls Categorize Catastrophic Concatenation (Score:4, Funny)
The kitty carcass catapulted by the cab catercorner across the catwalk caterwauled, then went cataleptic and catatonic. It's hard to categorize such cathodically catheterized cattails as anything but cataclysmically catastrophic. The catcalls clearly catalyzed the cattiest CIA agents to consider acoustic catfish to catch confidential conversations near cataracts. Catfights in cathouses are another matter: maybe covert catsup bottles? Gee that was cathartic - I think I'll have some catnip...
that explains it (Score:1)
"Mommy, I want an accoustic kitty...
Re:that explains it (Score:2)
> "Mommy, I want an accoustic kitty...
Yeah. Wait'll SONY hears about this.
Fuck AIBO!
Cats and Water? (Score:2, Funny)
Hrm...
[::imagines the effect of slashdotters killing all cats::] (The black plague started in quite a similar manner.)
Lame and low. (Score:1)
Clever way of disguising the radio transmission ! (Score:5, Funny)
So, let's see : if they wired a kitten, it would emit short waves. Then, as the kitty grows up, the frequency would slowly shift to the long wave band. Kind of like a very slow naturally occuring frequency-hopping encoding : if the Russian had picked up the transmission and went back to it several week after, they wouldn't have been able to find it again !
Real reason details are being withheld... (Score:3, Funny)
Actually, the reason is that project Acoustic Bovine was a success, and is being covertly operated on the streets of moscow as we speak.
Re:Real reason details are being withheld... (Score:2)
//rdj
If there's any good to come out of this... (Score:2)
...
Scratch that, somehow I don't think that the government would be restrained by mere hypocracy. If anything that seems to be an insentive in its actions.
Another cat cruelty story (Score:2)
Re:Ya, that's funny. (Score:2)
more CIA operations (Score:3, Informative)
It's is suspected that the Gulf of Tonkin Incident [pbs.org]was actually based on the above operation.
If you havent read it already check out Body of Secrets [amazon.com] , a recent history of the NSA, and proof that the land of the free is far from that
Taxes (Score:2)
More evil things to do with cats... (Score:2)
Major drawback (Score:2)
Meanwhile in the survalance van:
CIA Dude: I'm picking up some sort of chopping sound, they must be jamming us.
Re:Meow meow! (Score:1, Insightful)
Good night, and God bless.
Re:hmm (Score:2, Insightful)
Um, genius, in 1966 LBJ (liberal Democrat) was in power.
In any case, got news for you: it's left wingers that have always been interested in mind control. The Soviet Union and Hitler ring a bell? Who constantly wants larger and larger governments? That would be the left wing.
Of course, you will respond with "well, why are they trying to expand the FBI's powers? Huh? Huh?"
The difference between right wing politics and left wing politics is that the right wing generally wants to expand the power of law enforcement to catch criminals, whereas the left wing generally wants to expand the power of government to control the opposition party and enhance their own power. If you want to see this in action, take a look at how Democrats manipulated local elections for 40+ years to keep control of congress.
Re:hmm (Score:2)
I'm not speaking for Reality Mastser -
Hitler was a leader of the National Socialist party . And even if you discount that -the only diferance between a faciest and a socialist is that the facist wants the governemnt to controll the means of production, while the socialist wants the government to own then means of production. A capitolist wants individual people to own the means of production. Clearly capitalism is a bit better - we've been to the moon and made the polio vaceane; all the Hitler/Stalin/Mao have done is murder a hundred million people.
Re:hmm (Score:2)
Re:hmm (Score:2)
Hey, genius, I'm not talking about the White House. I'm talking about the intelligence agencies and the military.
Um, you might want to break out a civics book sometime. The president appoints the CIA director and the military chiefs of staff.
The Nazis were right-wing.
That's certainly what the left-wing propagandizers have wanted you to believe. It's simply not true. The Nazis were socialists. Isn't it remarkable that the more socialist a country is, the less freedom it has? Learn a little bit of history before you simply believe whatever you are told.
Over the entire length of Clinton's presidency the right used every power at their disposal to try to bring him down.
That's called "law enforcement", as I said. Maybe you think it's no big deal for the man who signs laws to lie under oath in a court, but there are many of us who believe that the man who signs laws should be held to the highest standards, not the lowest.
The Republicans have tried to regulate speech, the press, and sex for a long time.
I have many problems with the religious wing of the Republican Party, but on balance they consistently vote for smaller government and less restrictions on personal freedom. It's generally a minority fringe that do the religious nonsense. On the other hand, Democrats consistently vote to expand the power of government and its control over other people's lives. From LBJ's "Great Society" (the greatest damaging laws to American society ever passed) to Clinton's attempted government takeover of the American medical system. The left wing are the enemies of freedom.
Now you're just not coming to terms with basic facts here. The 97th, 98th, and 99th Congresses were controlled by the Republicans.
Sheesh, were you born yesterday? Note the "40+ years" of my comment. That refers to prior to the Republicans taking back congress.
The fact that over the past 40 years Congress has mostly been controlled by the Democrats is simply because more Americans believe the same things as the party promotes.
LOL! You really need to learn some history of the Democratic party's redistricting policies, purchasing of local campaigns, and the passing of pro-incumbent laws. I have a feeling you're pretty young.
Re:hmm (Score:2)
But not departmental heads or most senior administrators.
That's certainly what the left-wing propagandizers have wanted you to believe. It's simply not true. The Nazis were socialists. Isn't it remarkable that the more socialist a country is, the less freedom it has? Learn a little bit of history before you simply believe whatever you are told.
I think your history is a little shaky. The "socialist" in their name doesn't mean they were socialists in the modern sense of the word. They didn't believe in redistributing wealth; instead, they simply believed that the industrial apparatus of their country should be used to further the governments goals. If it were truly socialist then corporate industry wouldn't have jumped on the bandwagon, and then prospered heavily from the governments actions.
That's called "law enforcement", as I said. Maybe you think it's no big deal for the man who signs laws to lie under oath in a court, but there are many of us who believe that the man who signs laws should be held to the highest standards, not the lowest.
"High crimes and misdemeanors" does NOT refer to being evasive about having sex, even in a courtroom setting. The entire independent counsel system was completely unconstitutional; someone who could ignore Constitutional restraints on unreasonable search AND was unaccountable to anyone is ridiculous. What the hell does his affair with Lewinsky have to do with the Whitewater deal, which happened years before?
LOL! You really need to learn some history of the Democratic party's redistricting policies, purchasing of local campaigns, and the passing of pro-incumbent laws. I have a feeling you're pretty young.
Oh spare me the condescension. Looks like I'll have to give you another history lesson.
Redistricting is mandated by the Constitution, and has to be done every 10 years. Both sides attempt to get redistricting done to their advantage; if you actually believe that the Republicans don't do the same things then you're so credulous that you'll accept anything anyone tells you, as long as they profess to follow your ideology. I won't even respond
Sheesh, were you born yesterday? Note the "40+ years" of my comment. That refers to prior to the Republicans taking back congress.
Your history is once again shaky. Those Congresses I listed were from the 1980's.
As for the comment about the left being "the enemies of freedom", it's probably the most ridiculous thing you've said, and that's saying something. Look at the Nixon administrations attacks on personal freedom--look at the McCarthy witchhunts--look at the Iran-Contra affair. Right-led presidential administrations
Re:the inhumanity (Score:3, Insightful)
A whole bunch of people work for the CIA. They aren't all "sick fucks." If you don't like the cat thing, fine... but without "intelligence" we'd be a lot worse off than we are with it.
The CIA may do some distasteful things, but you can't condemn them all for that, and you are definitely enjoying some protection from the agency.
Re:the inhumanity (Score:2)
The CIA may do some distasteful things, but you can't condemn them all for that, and you are definitely enjoying some protection from the agency.
I have to respectfully disagree. I feel that the CIA had it's uses at one time, and likely did the USA some good (whether they did more good than harm, I will never know). But to me the CIA* is like "closed-source government". I can't see how they work. I can't even be sure of what results are directly attributable to them. If a leader of some small country mysteriously dies (or dies without apparent mystery), I can't be sure that my government had no hand in the matter.
Am I enjoying protection from the agency? I don't know. I do feel (now more than ever) that I need to be protected from it. And that is just sad.
Read the document that moved me from being merely ambivalent to having fairly strong doubts in the "secret" departments of the US gov. here [hevanet.com].
*The NSA, FBI and much of the military operations all seem to fit the bill here. The CIA was just the focus of this discussion.