The topic is crashes, in case you haven't noticed the article title.
Topics do drift you know. Perhaps I have a different metric, but an Update that causes programs to stop working, renaming files, placing programs and files to OneDrive.
The effect is remarkable similar to a crash. And to me, a failure of Windows that I do not have with Mac or Linux
It depends on what you want.. If you want a non upgradable appliance that kinda just works as long as you do it the Apple way, they are fine.
A computer should be an appliance. I have work to do. Spending time fixing a messed up Windows machine really wrecks productivity It only takes a few minutes of my burn rate and productivity loss to far exceed the cost of having a functioning computer.
The advantage of a PC is you can pick your components and upgrade them, but with the downside that you may have issues like the one I described.
For a hobbyist, maybe. For people making money and providing a service, computer downtime is a serious problem.
Windows is an unstable, insecure cluster bleep of an operating system, we know this!
Quite the opposite
Oh good to see you came in here to set the record straight. Even Microsoft is wrong. Google Windows 11 is a disaster and find out how everyone is wrong.
Here's your problem. While you focus on a monovariant, that for some reason, the only problem is drivers. What about endless reboot loops, mystery fails on updates, changing names of critical files, moving programs and or critical program files to one drive, causing program failure and/or crashes.
Blaming it on drivers, and not using enterprise level equipment just no longer works. All that is doing is blaming the user, the old concept of "Microsoft cannot fail, only we can fail Microsoft."
The upshot of all this is plain. Windows is fundamentally broken, regressing under Windows 11. And if all the problems are the users fault, they can migrate to an OS where they don't cause all those problems.
Users should never be able to do things that cause crashes in the same way that drivers should not ever be able to press any button or press any pedal that causes the engine to spontaneously burst into flames.
I don't have crashes.
I'm also a Mac user, but let's not boast here, shall we?
Is it boasting though? Not having crashes should be the expected situation. A pity it is considered a flex.
It's like boasting that your refrigerator keeps food cold. 8^)
Windows is crashing because users are doing things that cause crashes. This issue needs to be investigated in MUCH more detail. I don't have crashes.
So..you don't actually do a damn thing with Windows computers? Hence the reason you don't have crashes?
Hey, your logic. Not mine.
Well, I do the same things on My Macs and Linux computers. Yet they don't crash. But the same things on Windows machines do. I fear our friends logic doesn't hold up on any level.
might as well post the issues here https://www.windowscentral.com... https://www.neowin.net/news/mi...
Microsoft is saying W11 is broken, while the faithful here claim it is only poorly written drivers. And the anger is so intense that Microsoft disabled comments on social media. Here, they blame the users.
And the users? They've heard it all before... https://www.pcworld.com/articl....
The story on Linux is different. You have to work really hard to hunt down a machine where the hardware is supported.
Wut? Is this 2000 or something? I haven't had a driver issue since around 2005, and during installs, Linux just goes out and grabs drivers.
These things include:
- booting - rebooting - using basic high quality hardware (asus/mb/msi boards w/ corsair/crucial memory, nvidia GPUs, seasonic PSUs) - installing drivers
I've seen crashes on W10/W11 on each of these, sometimes (often) requiring "repair" that fails, and a reinstall (of the OS). Multiple machines.
I just won't do it anymore.
This! I get to see the hell people go through just to have a Windows 11 computer - as well as my own travails. At this point, my Windows machines get used for a few remaining tasks, then put back in the case, while I use machines that stay working.
People can try to blame it on drivers - which is only one of the failure mechanisms. People can blame it on Macs closed ecosystem which means that hardware and software are written for each other - by Apple, which means that.....get ready for it.....it works!
And then there are the weird problems, like renaming audio drivers, moving freaking programs to the cloud and removing them from the machine, as well as mystery changes that you just give up and fix it, then wait for it to happen again.
My Macs and Linux machines don't have this problem. Productivity is much better when you have almost 0 downtime.
No argument about default configurations being a pain on Windows. But that is something separate from OS qualify, crashes, etc.
I can't support that, let's assume Windows is a quality OS, if they want to show off that quality, you need to show it off, not leave it to some end user to configure, tweak, adjust, enforce, and then see the hidden quality. The options are baked in, and clearly they know what should be enabled, just enrol with Intune or Defender for Endpoint, and it will tell you that those setting should be enabled. If they know they should be, why aren't they?
And like my school selected Dell, the components probably have some flaky lowest cost bidder stuff. Again, in a PC with really good parts, both OS work very well. The difference between your observations and mine isn't the software, its the hardware.
That's not my concern, if hardware problems are causing OS level problems, the OS just isn't ready for mainstream deployment. Maybe Microsoft has to call out certain companies, publicly, like Linus did / does, but that's Microsoft's job.
There is also a different kind of audience creating a bias for heavier useage of PCs. Most gaming happens on PCs and not macs. Gaming pushes the speeds / bandwidth to the maximum and generates heat more. There was a lot of audio / video work on Macs, but that happens occasionally. In the past 10 years more developers use Macs, but development generally does not keep CPU at maximum for extended periods of times.
I dunno about you, but My Macs get pushed pretty hard. They continue to work. My latest hasn't crashed yet. And my Windows machines on W11 can crash after an update, not particularly hard work.
I suspect Windows supporters will claim Mac users are less intelligent,
Nope. They'll point out that Macs are typically closed boxes where Apple has total control, and supplies all the drivers. Anything the user adds will be USB, thunderbolt, or HDMI. Yes they will. And I'll point out that I want my computer to work. I don't buy computers to fix problems inherent in the paradigm. I do want the company to write and supply functional drivers.
Since the next move the'll make is the claim of how expensive Macs are, I'll point out that my burn rate, fixing screwed up Windows machines, far, far exceeds any monetary saving claims. That cost effective Windows machine suddenly cost then 5-10 times the cost of the minimally cheaper device. I'm here to do my work. Figuring out why a Windows machine needs constant fixing is not good for productivity
I suspect Windows supporters will claim Mac users are less intelligent, which would suggest they do MORE stupid things. And if stupid things correlate with crashes, Macs would crash more.
But they don't. So somebody is wrong about something, or there's more missing information.
The meme of Mac Users as stupid is just that - a meme.
The most adroit computer users I know use MacOS and Linux. I group them together because MacOS is Unix, and Linux is Unix-y. Despite the meme of the retarded Mac User, and the smug Linux user, these are power users. I spend almost as much time in Terminal on My Mac as I do in the GUI - sometimes more.
My present Mac Mini has never crashed. Had for over a year now (M4) My newer Lenovo has had update issues, kidnapped files and put them on one drive, causing them to stop working, and mystery audio issues, changing names, also making the associated program stop working. These are not the driver issues claimed by some as the only reason Windows crashes. These are systemic regression of Windows 11.
Regardless, some of us want computing devices that fscking work! not excuses for why our computers work - some times.
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