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Comment Re:On a sober note (Score 1) 226

Understood that the range is still not proven. I do note that the original single injection schedule was updated to 15 months then at 6 years. Nobody has yet gone 20 years between boosters since it hasn't been approved that long. We'll find out in a few years I guess.

We seem to be putting out a lot of effort and people's money for a fairly small benefit (if, indeed there is any in final analysis).

Just another data point, we have seen breakthrough cases of chicken pox in otherwise healthy vaccine recipients, but I'm not aware of any in those immunized by having the disease, even with it's reduced prevalence.

Comment Re:The nature of the Trump-fans is pretty obvious (Score 1) 98

Independent here, not a "Trump fan".

They are authoritarian followers, that fight anybody that disagrees with them with violence. They are irrational and dangerous. They are unable to find a middle-ground with others.

You're describing Hillary's followers here.


Because authoritarians follow charismatic leaders...

Just saying repeating what someone else says doesn't make it true, no matter where you claim your loyalties lie (or in this case loyalties you disclaim).

Comment Re:akin to.... (Score 1) 87

It must be a uniquely American thing to equate massive levels of attention with good service.

No, but it's the only way to differentiate full service restaurants from their cheaper and more convenient fast-food counterparts. I've seen many restaurants which go out of their way to keep all condiments behind the counter, rather than leaving them at the table, and don't bring them out with meals that would likely require them, either. Then your server has to make a special trip just for your request, and maybe you'll leave a larger tip. The US has a head-start on fast-food, so these changes will spreading to the rest of the world a few years later.

Besides, as others have said, it's more a tactic to passive-aggressively push you to eat your meal quickly and leave. Those restaurants with "good service" you're frequenting, are probably actually cookie-cutter chains trying to maximize profits and pretty far down on the "good service" scale. You'll do better at the very expensive and classy restaurants.

Comment Re:Never was a reasonable conversation (Score 1) 226

That is mostly true.

However, vaccines are not 100% effective. If everyone in my neighborhood gets the vaccine, we're basically safe. Anyone who by chance does get it will tend to have a mild form and so others will have little exposure and will most likely be protected by their vaccine.

OTOH, if I alone got my shots, the whole neighborhood will probably end up with more severe cases of the disease and I'll be under constant exposure. If my vaccine is anything less than 100%, I'll get it.

That in a nutshell is herd immunity.

Comment Re:Hey! (Score 1) 70

Sure. I use one of these, with this firmware, making it a cute little self-contained Linux box with both a HTML GUI and a command-line interface that is as complete as you want to make it. (I've got a build environment on mine, just because I can.)

802.11ac, dual-core 800MHz ARM, 256MB of RAM and 128MB of flash (all of which are complete overkill for this application), along with multiple USB ports for plugging in random goodies.

Comment Re:Never was a reasonable conversation (Score 1) 226

When you have measles, it is exactly the same as walking around town with a handful of hypodermic needles, injecting random passers-by with viruses.

How far does that argument extend? Should everyone be required to get all available vaccines, no matter how ineffective and how many risky side effects they have?

The HPV and Varicella (Chickenpox) vaccines now mandated for school children certainly bother me on that front. The first is only a sexually transmitted disease which shouldn't be possible to spread on school campuses. The latter is a rather mild disease for children, while getting the vaccine puts your child at risk for potentially more severe side-effects.

Comment Re:On a sober note (Score 1) 226

Actually, looking it up my memory is correct. Immunity from actually having chickenpox is acknowledged to last much longer than from the vaccine, and will be lifelong in most cases, particularly if you are occasionally re-exposed to chickenpox (for example, by being around a child that has it). The duration for the vaccine is thought to be about 20 years.

A quick check confirms that the Varicella vaccine is a live, weak virus one

I'm pretty sure I could get the study proposal through the ethics board, there's nothing unethical here and it's an important enough question. I just doubt anybody will consent to being deliberately given a virus that inserts itself into their genome, just to see if their immune system still will recognize the virus and produce antibodies to it.

Based on the two quotes above, I'd say they were already given a virus that inserts itself into their genome albeit a weakened one. It would be their parents who consented (without really being informed). As for the thus far unasked question, can the vaccine strain cause shingles later in life and how does the risk differ from the wild strain, we have no way of knowing yet.

As for the flu, yes it probably would be more effective for people around the most vulnerable to get the shot. I think that so far, a more generalized flu vaccine has eluded us, thus the annual shots.

Comment Re:Weird definition (Score 1) 226

I take it you're part of McCarthy's army then? Simply disagreeing with me isn't worthy of the crazy label. Disagreeing with well settled science based on the word of a discredited fraud in the face of overwhelming evidence gets that label.

I don't seem to remember sneaking up behind you and giving you (or anyone else) a vaccination. When was it you say that happened?

Comment Re:No, your argument is unadulterated BS (Score 1) 226

Public health is something you need to get familiar with. This debate was settled, at least in the US, back in the early 1900s. You do NOT have an unfettered right to decide what goes into your body and what you do with it. You CAN be compelled to take medications and be vaccinated. Have you ever heard of quarantine, or Typhoid Mary?

Oh look, another moron who took one bit of history and ran off into left field...

Quarantine is for active cases, buy a clue as to the difference between that and someone who hasn't received a vaccine.

God, people are so fucking stupid, no wonder we have Trump and Clinton as our President choices, bunch of idiots...

Comment Re:Never was a reasonable conversation (Score 0) 226

This only makes sense if what you are or aren't putting in your body has no impact on other people. But whether or not you vaccinate DOES have an impact on the people around you.

Wrong... again you're wrong, what the fuck is wrong with you that you can't see that?

Is your brain not working? Were you dropped on your head as a child? Were you just born stupid?

Seriously, I mean it, you are just wrong. What is sad is that you probably won't even stop to consider that.

Fuck you, you worthless pile of shit for thinking you have the right to tell me what to put into my body. You deserve to die for that.

Comment Re:Never was a reasonable conversation (Score 0) 226

If you had the magical ability to not spread viruses, I would accept your statement, but you do not. When you have measles, it is exactly the same as walking around town with a handful of hypodermic needles, injecting random passers-by with viruses. You violate everyone else's "right to decide what they put in their bodies."

No, it isn't, you're delusional...

Seriously, stop... you are... wake up and smell the roses...

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