Perhaps not in a full-on all-out metal storm. But police action and counterinsurgency isn't at all the same kind of beast, it's a kind of diplomacy, and that's where the USA has been getting their international butts kicked all through the GW Bush presidency. Heck, they got the same thing handed to them in Vietnam and didn't even realise that 'overcoming the Vietnam syndrome' just meant 'forgetting - or not even attempting to learn - some very important lessons'.

It is perfectly possible to 'win a war' by killing lots of civilians and yet lose the hearts and minds of the populace. When those hearts and minds determine how many suicide bombers are coming at you, yeah, you're not gonna win by just killing more people.

Basic maths: If every monster you kill creates two more, perhaps there comes a point when it's counterproductive to keep firing? And that's the kind of situation the USA is in. Sometimes you have to get out of the hole by stopping digging.

You're writing on an internet discussion forum you twat. What do you think we do here? And nothing I wrote was whine. I gave my reasons. It's not like I wrote "They suq" or anything. I mean, what do you expect to be seen in the "discussion"?

Wikileaks shouldn't be interpreting their links. That goes against their own mission statement. They've politicized their leaks and that's not right nor just. It's a piece of agenda. That's my opinion and if you don't like it feel free to discuss it or not. But all you've done is show me that there's ignorant people out there that like to stifle dissent. How ironic given the topic.