he other thing about dense urban environments is you typically don't have that far of a commute

And...not everyone lives (or wants to live) in "dense urban environments".

I certainly don't....

lots of chargers here in NY. my biggest problem is the cost at public chargers roughly 2-3 times that of at home and per mile higher/same than gas.

Thank you....I'd made comments earlier, that unless you lived on the east or west coast extremes, for the most part you are SOL for EV charging across the greater United States.

I guess in some major urban places maybe....or huge mega cites like Houston or NYC Los Angeles.....but aside from that, public charing infrastructure isn't that readily available in the US.

Public chargers, as in not in the apartment building. It's just LA. Electric cars are fairly ideal here.

Where I live I see precious few "Public" chargers....

It has been a little while since I last looked at those websites that show public chargers, but last time I saw very few chargers at all in the New Orleans area and even with ones there, most of those were private that were listed.

US federal minimum wage is at 7-odd dollars unchanged since 1990s, and an average factory worker's net wage is aboht the same as a month's rent - no retiremennt, sick time, holiday or maternity mandated (and typically not available). At will employment, medical insurance tied to it.

Err...you've never heard of the hold the auto workers unions have on the US?

I defy you to show me the workers on the lines in US auto plants that make "minimum wage"....these folks have great bill rates and benefits...in fact, SO good it's what keeps the US auto makers from being competitive and keeping car manufacture IN the US...

The problem is not the means it is the will. Norway made it expensive to own an ICE vehicle and incentivized EV adoption.

Why in the world would I want to vote in a Govt that would force me to do something I"m not really ready, wanting or able to do?

My government is NOT there to tell me what the fuck to do...it is there to represent my interests, keep legal things legal, keep us safe, city serices,etc.....but it is not there to tell me what to buy or how I should form my lifestyle.

The US governments (federal, state and local) are not there to incentive or push any scheme for lifestyle, or force me into one type of transportation or anything in my life.

Growing up in the 70s I remember needing to know if it was an even or odd day

So aside from that blip in history that lated maybe a year....an ICE vehicle owner has not had a problem finding a gas station to quickly fill (5 min tops) in almost 60+ years?

Nobody with an EV does this. Chargers are everywhere. You charge at home or at your destination.

Where do you live in the US where there is this plethora of chargers everywhere?

I mean, if you don't own a home with off street parking, you are dependent upon public chargers....I've never seen a charger at a worksite, and there are not many public ones available around, at least not last time I liked around New Orleans for instance.

And older cities like this....quite often don't have off street parking even for houses people can own....

I live in a tall apartment block in the US and there's plenty of public chargers nearby.

Might I ask what part of the US are you living where apartments have plenty of EV charging for all their tenets?

I've certainly not seen any offerings of chargers in any of the homes or apartments I've ever rented....

I had the same feeling. Maybe this guy was stuck in a coma for the last 10 years, and woke up convinced that everybone in the US and Australia lived in tall apartnemnt blocks?

Well, I believe I saw at least one number saying that fully 1/3 of people in the US do not own their homes, don't have offstreet parking, live in apartments....the ones that really aren't set up for EV life.

That's not an insignificant number....and yes this is in 2026.

Are you not hearing about people complaining they can't afford private homes anymore?

I have yet to see an apartment complex anywhere having its parking lot torn up to install EV chargers for every/any parking spaces....have you see this? If so, in what part of the country?

Which exclusionary contracts, specifically? And what is it that SpaceX is doing that you want to expand Sherman to cover?

And Elon isn't the only shareholder. Furthermore, define what you mean by "tall"

I was speaking in a general sense, as were you, and now you're saying I'm at fault for not looking only at your specific case, wants, and desires? Cuckoo...

But there's a broader context here that you're either ignoring or dismissing: The person I replied to wants to move to Europe because he thinks America doesn't give him enough and he wants more just given to him from some non-specific social program. You then come in and say:

My reply to you is and has been that money is never a true barrier to the move itself, and that if where you are is really that bad, you CAN leave it even if you have no money. There will be a cost, there's always a cost to move, but never one that you can't afford.

So then you go on about the cost of living after you move, followed by a bunch of tangents. In fact, you're basically arguing that the reason he can't move is because what he wants to be there, won't actually be there, negating the entire point of moving. Besides, he literally said in another post that he spends four months out of the year there, so obviously getting there and affording to stay for a while isn't a problem in his case.

I very much did correctly comprehend it. You're sitting there making broad, sweeping statements, and now you're saying I'm at fault because I didn't guess what was actually in your head. Indeed, you're obviously not comprehending what I'm saying. In fact, if you're in America, you're going to struggle to find anybody willing to sell new versions of these kind of items at these prices. You don't even know exactly what it is that I have, yet you're speaking as though you already know exactly how long it will last despite that there's no possible way you even can know that. Let me quote you:

Unless you're just trying to say that some people just buy shittier, crappier items, even if they pay more for them? In which case, the answer I can give you is even easier: Be more selective, or smarter, about what you're buying. And again, this is tangential to the cost of moving. And this already has outlived more expensive, theoretically "higher quality" ones I've had before after they broke. Besides, odds are pretty good overall that I spend less on my everyday items than you do. I still remember DamnOregonian a while back commenting on how I live like I'm poor, my reply was something like "yeah, I pretty much grew up that way."

Obviously you're not aware of this, but even inexpensive materials like wood, metal, and plastic will generally outlast a person's lifetime. Your furniture won't biodegrade, if that's what you're worried about. And the latter two materials keep getting better and better, the former as well when you consider composites.

I didn't say anybody else is surely going to want it. That was never the argument. It wasn't even the point you were trying to make -- you were literally arguing about durability, specifically calling out wear and tear. In fact, right now you're literally shifting your position into the argument I just made as if I never made it, specifically, simply getting rid of old items that are no longer wanted, not because it is worn or damaged beyond the point of still being useful. And yet again, this is tangential to moving costs.

The only reason you're even bringing this up is because you want to make moving look more expensive and otherwise insurmountable than it is by insisting that people need to buy items that are more expensive than they have an actual necessity for, which I have to say, is a pretty dumb argument. In fact, the whole premise of "moving is too expensive because when I get there I want nicer shit that I won't want to get rid of earlier thus spending more later even though it's still useful" is a load of crap. I got it, you don't like the Zinus furniture because you think it won't survive next decade's fashion trends causing you to spend more later. Regardless, that is a want, not a necessity.

And nobody, at any point, said that just any person can afford to live any place in the world. I already know you can't even afford to live in some places within the US -- that was never the debate. We're talking about moving.

It's very relevant to the tangent you've already brought up -- What I'm trying to explain to you is that your absolutist thinking that cheap means inferior quality is flat wrong. It sounds like you're at least beginning to understand that now, though I'm not certain.

Fair point, so let me qualify my words (unlike you I'm not going to pretend I said something different): For its capabilities, the cost is basically rock bottom, even without reuse. While you can get lower cost in absolute terms, you get heavy diminishing returns. In its expendable configuration, it can carry a 22 ton payload at roughly a $43 million cost for the vehicle. Compare that to say India's PSLV, which will set you back no less than $15 million cost for the vehicle for a 3-4 ton payload capacity, and can't even claim the same reliability as Falcon 9.

So yes, that is what I meant to say.

You have resources, in fact you've already stated as such. The problem is you simply won't leverage them wisely. Whether you don't want to or don't know how, I'm uncertain, but it doesn't matter. I've been in a similar situation -- literally owned nothing and had I think $100 to my name when I was around 28. No income or college degree either, just EBT and medicaid. I easily had less in the way of resources than you currently do. But I still had resources.

That's nice, but I didn't say or imply that. Are you familiar with Paul Alexander? If not, google him. That's what resourcefulness looks like.

Defective is not damaged. Though the Army did do a bit of damage that I've already alluded to and I'm in the process of getting a VA rating for. Legally disabled as well, though I don't receive SSDI.

Never said I was.

The advice of which people?

Which would fall within what I was already talking about. But actually no, he's not an asylee. I don't know where you're getting that from because he has said that he isn't. Moreover, he wouldn't qualify that quickly, nor does that provide a helping hand for somebody in his position beyond free board at a crowded ONA shelter, which he is definitely not residing in.

I already know this. I mean I should, because I am one of those donors, after all. Not a huge amount, but I've given. I've been watching his channel for a few years now.

This is false, he actively struggles with paying his living expenses. While I don't know his specific financial details, others have corroborated this.

Unlike you, he does not have a reliable source of income. I don't always have time to watch his latest videos as he's broadcasting them, sometimes I can't until a bit later, but in the most recent video he broadcast, he mentioned he is living in a hotel and isn't certain where he's going to permanently live yet within Luxembourg. In addition to the fact that he has no reliable income. You, as you are right now, have something far more valuable than he does: Stability. And you don't even have to lift a finger to get it. The rest of us need to work for a living. That also means you have more than ample access to yet another resource that he, like I do, tends to be in very short supply of: Time.

But...America just doesn't treat you well enough. Poor you.

Like who? The list of billionaires in the entire world isn't that long, and the list of American ones specifically is a bit shorter.

You can't "hide" your money in companies at that scale. In fact, this is an even worse idea because you're literally exposing yourself to all of your company's liabilities, and I don't even know what the hell you intend to get out of it. Either way, at this scale it would never fly. The second an auditor looks at your books they're going to start asking some tough questions. And that's just a private accounting firm reporting to your investors that whatever it is you're doing, it can't be good for the company. Doesn't matter if you're public or a privately traded company. And the IRS really won't like it. As I mentioned earlier, you're quite naive on these matters, so I'll help fill in a blank for you:

A person like him, and anybody else really, can take out loans against his own shares, but there are pros and cons to this. I personally am looking at doing something similar in order to buy a house in an all-cash deal. Rather than me spending time going into details myself, just read this: https://www.fidelity.com/learn...

That is the brokerage I'm doing this through, by the way, if I do this as I may already have all of the cash I need. If you're confident that your shares will increase in value at a rate greater than the bond rate, then loans like this are a no-brainer because you still own the shares, and can still cash out later at a higher amount that beats whatever the interest is. You'll pay more taxes on those higher gains too, so you have to factor that into it.

The major downside here is the dreaded margin call. Bottom line though: You're far out of your element on this.

I don't normally pick at grammar, but this is such a sloppily structured sentence that I have no choice but to loosely interpret it: Falsely equating 'anyone' with 'everyone' is exactly what you've been doing this entire time. I was literally responding to somebody else in a general sense, then you literally just shifted it to your own experience as if it was the only one that mattered. There's a word for that by the way: Projection. Though I will give you one thing: I'm obviously far more capable of distinguishing between want and need than you are, and that experience does give me a few biases. While I've been typing this, I've had this playing in another tab:

https://youtu.be/6ZN2tm1JymM?t...

While that guy is talking about how the loan is predatory, the only thing on my mind is: Why the FUCK would somebody even sign such a contract? My amygdala would be in overdrive just seeing those numbers. I've been through that before when I was looking at buying a new car once, and the thought I had when I saw the numbers was something to the effect of "do people actually fall for this crap? surely some must, otherwise they wouldn't hand me this crap with a straight face". None of those cars are a 'need', they're pure 'want'. Somebody has to do one of two (or likely both) things to end up in this situation: 1) Be incredibly stupid 2) Tell themselves that they really need that car.

Though, and obviously in contrast to you, I trust data and numbers far more than I trust my own experience for the simple fact that one's own memories can be quite deceiving.

No, I very much don't, for exactly the reason I just described. By the way, where did you get the idea that Konstantin is an asylee again?

Again, no. However, I highly doubt you've actually done much research on this. If you have, then you clearly have spent much more time working on perfecting your grammar.

Rather than just vague attempts at insults, I'll give you very specific, and very real feedback: You literally can't even follow the conversation correctly, let alone maintain a consistent position on anything, and your writing style betrays that you never completed the 5th grade.

And here's your experience bias: Unlike you, I have normal sized adult male hands and a normal sized asshole. Unlike your case of girlish hands and a ruthlessly overstretched asshole, I simply can't do this at all.

Most people that want(ed) them have them....I read a good number of them got out of the EV when they could...and lost money on the resell....

Unless you have offstreet parking and a garage in the US in a home you own, you're like SOL for home charging which I feel is absolutely necessary to really conveniently use an EV....especially due to charging infrastructure not being a thing unless you are on the far east or west coast....?

I didn't say anything about communists. At all. I specifically mentioned socialism. If I intended to speak of communists, I'd have used exactly that word. Why? Because obviously unlike you, I know what I'm talking about. You believe those words are interchangeable, despite the fact that they very much are not.

Even if we entertain your big gaping error for a second though -- I didn't say they weren't enemies. Either communists, socialists, or fascists. At all. Authoritarians who don't quite agree on the same thing, even when to outsiders they look basically the same, they'll be pretty quick to kill each other off over the smallest of differences if they think it's to their advantage, and even when they're very different, they'll happily take up temporary alliances. I doubt you understand even a word of what you're saying. If you are intending to speak of communists, then you just assembled the most retarded of retarded straw men for an argument. In fact, it's pretty obvious by now that you don't even understand what fascism is either.

It is silly, and I never said any it. You came up with that nonsense all by yourself.

Clearly you have a lot in common with MAGA. I shouldn't need to say this, but I feel I need to: I'm not saying they're your allies, but definitely a massive overlap on the Venn diagram there.

That wasn't a cheap shot at anybody, you're just incredibly stupid.

I don't need to guess for you as it's pretty obvious: You have no idea what you're even talking about, let alone what I'm talking about. Go take a history lesson or something and stop wasting everybody's time.

It says nothing about me at all.

https://www.politicalcompass.o...

Though to me, two dimensions is basically useless, nevermind the only one dimension that is somewhat within your understanding. And I doubt you're comprehending what I mean by that.

Well I never even mentioned communists, but somehow that little hare brain of yours swapped that in for socialism, but now you're 360 back to socialism again. In addition to that, you keep making assumptions about me that have completely missed the board, let alone anything resembling a mark. You're getting...everything...completely wrong. Go retake middle-school history and stop wasting everyone's time.

So you know how easy and affordable it is to travel there and back, what's the rub?

Under what legal theory do you believe SpaceX has violated the Sherman antitrust act?