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Binance's Books Are a Black Box, Filings Show, As It Tries To Rally Confidence (reuters.com) 33

The world's biggest crypto exchange, Binance, is battling to shore up confidence after a surge in customer withdrawals and a steep drop in the value of its digital token. Reuters reports: The exchange said it dealt with net outflows of around $6 billion over 72 hours last week "without breaking stride" because its finances are solid and "we take our responsibility as a custodian seriously." After the collapse of rival exchange FTX last month, Binance's founder Changpeng Zhao promised his company would "lead by example" in embracing transparency. Yet a Reuters analysis of Binance's corporate filings shows that the core of the business -- the giant Binance.com exchange that has processed trades worth over $22 trillion this year -- remains mostly hidden from public view.

Binance declines to say where Binance.com is based. It doesn't disclose basic financial information such as revenue, profit and cash reserves. The company has its own crypto coin, but doesn't reveal what role it plays on its balance sheet. It lends customers money against their crypto assets and lets them trade on margin, with borrowed funds. But it doesn't detail how big those bets are, how exposed Binance is to that risk, or the full extent of its reserves to finance withdrawals. Binance is not required to publish detailed financial statements because it is not a public company, unlike U.S. rival Coinbase, which is listed on the Nasdaq. Nor has Binance raised outside capital since 2018, industry data show, which means it hasn't had to share financial information with external investors since then.

In an effort to look inside Binance's books, Reuters reviewed filings by Binance units in 14 jurisdictions where the exchange on its website says it has "regulatory licenses, registrations, authorisations and approvals." These locations include several European Union states, Dubai and Canada. Zhao has described the authorisations as milestones in Binance's "journey to being fully licensed and regulated around the world." The filings show that these units appear to have submitted scant information about Binance's business to authorities. The public filings do not show, for example, how much money flows between the units and the main Binance.com exchange. The Reuters analysis also found that several of the units appear to have little activity. Former regulators and ex-Binance executives say these local businesses serve as window dressing for the main unregulated exchange.
Binance Chief Strategy Officer Patrick Hillmann said the Reuters analysis of the units' filings in the 14 jurisdictions was "categorically false."

Binance's Hillmann did not comment on the Reuters estimates. "The vast majority of our revenue is made on transaction fees," he said, adding that the exchange has been able to "accumulate large corporate reserves" by keeping expenses down. Binance's "capital structure is debt free" and the company keeps its money made from fees separate from the assets it buys and holds for users, Hillmann said.

Further reading: Binance US To Buy Bankrupt Voyager Digital's Assets for $1 Billion
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Binance's Books Are a Black Box, Filings Show, As It Tries To Rally Confidence

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  • If you want to see a world record number of dominoes falling, the bad news is that Domino Day [wikipedia.org] appears to be on indefinite hold. If you're more interested in crypto firms triggering the fall of other crypto fims, perhaps you'll be more lucky...
    • Damn it, I opened this article to post about dominos. Too slow today.

      Anyway, I am happy to see financial reality closing in on all these scam companies. I hope SBF isn't the only one going to jail. There's a long list of crypto scumbags that belong there.

  • The thing is, drug dealers and scam artists need a place to launder their income and crypto is perfect for that.
    If Binance can take a tiny slice of every transaction they'll have a nice little earner until the powers that be decide to shut the whole thing down.
  • by Somervillain ( 4719341 ) on Monday December 19, 2022 @09:50PM (#63144288)
    Yup...Their finances are rock solid....no need to bore your pretty little head with the details...just trust us...everything is fine. They're FULLY a legit financial entity following best practices and the law and they've been forthright with all their customers with no exaggeration or outright lie. Crypto is the future...experience it now at Binance...you don't need to see our books...at all...just trust us...we'll make you rich AND cool!
    • by Arethan ( 223197 )

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]

      Real journalism surfaces out the "best" of the modern industry. Hard to be sure at this moment, but imo Binance really seems to be on some shaky footing, vibing a lot like FTX at the beginning.

      I'm personally just sitting here with popcorn, waiting for the proverbial hammer to drop.

      If Binance falls, it will be the absolute biggest crypto disaster in history -- they are the single largest crypto market and considered by many to be the bedrock of the industry. Honestly, if Bina

  • In other words major crypto holders. Basically the sort of people who you would get in trouble if you scammed. It feels to me like they're about to collapse and they tipped off the big guys in the hopes that they don't all get sent to prison like that bankman-freed guy is about to.

    Remember you can get away with any crime you want as long as you only committed against vulnerable people. People think we have a two-tiered justice system but they're wrong. It's a multi-tiered justice system and as long as y
  • The exchange said it dealt with net outflows of around $6 billion over 72 hours last week "without breaking stride" because its finances

    so pausing withdrawals isn't breaking stride?

    • Re:wordsmithing (Score:4, Interesting)

      by ctilsie242 ( 4841247 ) on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @12:42AM (#63144458)

      It is interesting the double standards here. If a bank pauses withdrawals, people will be freaking out and there will be government officials examining every crevice of their accounting. If an exchange does so, it is considered just doing part of daily business, and the people having holdings are considered the rubes.

      If one does cryptocurrency, this further drives home the point of keeping your stuff in a non-custodial wallet, and only moving to an exchange when cashing out, after making sure the exchange will actually allow it. If your holdings are held under someone else's key/wallet, they might just gox [sic] away without warning.

      • It is interesting the double standards here. If a bank pauses withdrawals, people will be freaking out and there will be government officials examining every crevice of their accounting. If an exchange does so, it is considered just doing part of daily business, and the people having holdings are considered the rubes.

        I know, right? Almost as if...one of those entities are REGULATED, with fines and jail time expressly stipulated for regulations being sidestepped at the expense of depositors, while the other entity built its reputation on being unbeholden to those pesky regulations.

      • If one does cryptocurrency, this further drives home the point that one should not do cryptocurrency.

        FTFY. HTH. HAND.

    • Binance did not pause withdrawals. I am very skeptical of everything crypto and the withdraw of the auditors is not a good sign. However, Binance continues to assert that they do not mix corporate and customer assets and that they are profitable. That they can handle $5B of withdrawals "in stride" certainly speaks in their favor. Binance charges fees for their exchange activity. That doesn't speak to the merits of crypto-currency but if they've found a market and a profit legitimately, good for them.
      • they didn't? so biance and all the news sites are all lieing? \

        Binance CEO Changpeng Zhao elaborated in a tweet that as Binance saw heightened user withdrawals of USDC on Sunday and in the early hours of Monday morning, the exchange made the decision to pause withdrawals as the banks that could honour them were closed. Reuters, citing data firm Nansen, reported that these withdrawals of USDC totaled $US1.9 ($3) billion. Zhao also encouraged users to withdraw other stable coins, like BUSD.

  • Iâ(TM)m amazed that people donâ(TM)t get it â¦

    Bitcoin was meant to be money itself with no need to be converted to fiat. Basically crypto (in general) should be sent as trading cards.

    A company dealing in crypto is not a bank and itâ(TM)s not needed to hold your fiat. LoL. They spend it as soon as you buy their trading cards. Theyâ(TM)ll buy them back sure but itâ(TM)s not an entitlement, itâ(TM)s just an option.

    I know there are some cons that say theyâ(TM)re 1:1

    • I am still amazed that people do not get it.

      Bitcoin was meant to be money itself with no need to be converted to fiat. Basically crypto (in general) should be seen as trading cards.
      A company dealing in crypto is not a bank and its not needed to hold your fiat. LoL. They spend it as soon as you buy their trading cards. They will buy them back⦠sure ⦠but its not an entitlement, its just an option.

      I know there are some coins/cons that say they are 1:1 but they are not governed like banks

    • Bitcoin was meant to be money itself with no need to be converted to fiat.

      Except that Bitcoin transactions are, by design, far too expensive to use Bitcoin as money itself. I agree with you that it was intended to be used as a currency. But it's a really bad currency. Too unstable for anyone to express prices in it, and too expensive to transact.

  • Is due to the fact it's pretty easy to put cash dollars into cryptocurrencies but it is not exactly anywhere near as fast or cheap to pull it back out. With many coins you must move to another coin usually bitcoin to actually take hard dollars out.
    • I'd say it's all gone down pretty fast.

      Bitcoin down from 68k to 16k in how long? Super short. If Apple stock dropped that fast there'd be headlines about what will replace iPhone and Mac after Apple goes bankrupt.

      But with crypto crap, they can halt withdrawals or "lose" billions in a "hack" or whatever and just post an "oops, sorry!" to their blog and life goes on.

      HODL! These drops are buying opportunities! It can only go up long term!

  • Is Binance.US a Fake Exchange? [substack.com]

    The above newsletter points out some worrying indicators of the legitimacy of Binance's allegedly US-based exchange. It's only tangentially related to this article, but it (and many other of the articles on the site) are a really interesting read if you're curious about some of the seedier aspects of the crypto sphere.

    • On the flip side, Binance hasn't had to pause withdrawals. Doesn't mean they aren't shady. they might (or might not) be. But perhaps different in a shady way. There's no reason a cypto exchange *couldn't* properly segregate customer money.
      • Based on public statements from CZ, Binance has taken billions in real money loans that are not due for 4-5 years. The good news is Binance could easily be of net value negative a few billions, and be in no immediate danger of closing the doors or denying withdrawals. The bad news is Binance could easily be of net value negative a few billions and they could easily hide that fact until 2026 when an implosion occurs and depositors take it on the nose.

        I did quick look at cmseagle's link, and the gist of it

        • I would point out that (to the degree you trust the research in the article I linked) that this:

          Whether they... have already done something dodgy just like FTX.US/FTX/Alameda is simply unknowable, based on the public record at this point in time.

          is an answered question. Binance claims that Binance.US is an independent entity, when it seems clear that it is not. That is dodgy. It would be fallacious to claim that such dodgy activity proves that there's other dodginess going on. But, given recent events in the crypto space, it'd be enough for me to want to keep my crypto assets well out of their hands, if I owned any.

          And re: Binance's loans - I would

  • It looks to me like the legitimate attempts to get corrupt government bureaucrats hands off the money system resulted in an opaque rats nest of private equally corrupt efforts to conjure, grab and hide the money. Too bad, but totally expected.

    When a company tells you they are dedicated to transparency, but won’t disclose revenue, profit and cash reserves you have to assume you’re dealing with a hopelessly narcissistic corporate culture that is capable of convincing themselves of, well, anything

  • Funds are safu

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