What's Wrong with Modern Console Design? 87
Next Generation is running an article looking at the design of the next-gen consoles. Article author Eric-Jon Rossel-Waugh argues that the new systems have lost their sense of identity, due to high monetary stakes and the need for consoles to 'say something' to the consumer. From the article: "In May, I finally saw a PlayStation 3 up-close - and dear lord. It looks like a space ship based on the template of a waffle iron. Whereas the Sega Genesis looked like you could top-load a CD into it, the PS3 looks like you could top-load a side of bacon. It was around this point that I realized, on the surface, none of the forthcoming-generation consoles really strikes me as a game machine. Building on the PS2, both Sony and Microsoft have chosen to outwardly craft their systems to resemble nothing so much as random hunks of pop electronics."
Synergy (Score:5, Funny)
So Sony's next marketing gimmick is obvious: The George Foreman PS3.
Re:Synergy (Score:2)
So I load it and BAM: Microsoft went the Apple route; Sony went the George Foreman one.
Great minds, same gutter...
Re:Synergy (Score:5, Funny)
Obligatory:
http://www.stevey666.co.uk/ps3grill/images/grillku t.jpg [stevey666.co.uk]
Re:Synergy (Score:2)
Also: Mmmm, bacon.
Re:Synergy (Score:1)
Form over Function? (Score:5, Insightful)
I also think the 360's "ring of light" is both attractive and functional, so I'm not sure why he bags on that console so much.
-Erwos
Re:Form over Function? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Form over Function? (Score:2)
Re:Form over Function? (Score:1)
Re:Form over Function? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Form over Function? (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm normally skeptical whenever someone accuses a writer in the mainstream gaming press of being a "fanboy", but then I read this:
If any one company has really reveled in contemporary console design, that would probably be Sega. The Master System, Genesis, and Dreamcast all glory in their forms, the former two being off-kilter, ornate, attention-grabbing, and plastered with huge logos. Likewise, with its brilliant white shell, orange decorations, four controller ports, and sleek-yet-bubbly facade, the Dreamcast both declares defiantly, in a no-nonsense voice, that it is a game console and that it is meant as a conscious reversal of Sega's fortunes - sort of a new start for the company. (White and orange are the opposite of black and blue.)
Jesus!
Okay, I like most of Sega's designs well enough, but there's nothing any more special about any of them than anybody else's. And the Dreamcast was probably about as innocuous and nondescript as it gets; it's a plain white box of a top-loading CD player. (Besides, if the design declared such a bold "new start" for the company, it obviously didn't do a very good job of it.)
I've been around video gaming since 1977 when Atari's VCS hit the market. (No, I can't claim to remember the days of the Fairchild Channel-F, unfortunately.) I've seen, and in fact own, pretty much every console that's come along since then. I don't see how today's systems are really any different than systems of the past; consoles have always tried to capture something about the essence of the era in which they're produced while at the same time seeking to stand out from the pack. They've also always been consciously designed such that they don't fit in with other electronics in a standard rack system; the idea is to make the system the center of attention, without making it so gaudy or unreasonable that customers resist it.
So he doesn't like the PS3 or Xbox 360 (I didn't even read what he said about the Wii). Fair enough. But throughout history, for every console design success, there has been a corresponding failure. Whereas the Coleco Vision was an all-American hot rod of a look, the Atari 5200 was just a big, bulky triangle of a machine. He seems to have liked the NES, but he's apparently never seen the original red and gold trimmed FamiCom, one of the ugliest systems ever produced, with curves and edges in all the wrong places.
And so it goes. I don't think any of this is specific to any era. There are only good designers and bad designers, and personal tastes to go along with them. You may or may not like today's consoles, but they're no better or worse - and certainly not fundamentally different in concept - than the designs of yesteryear's consoles.
Re:Form over Function? (Score:2)
True, that. I think this is one of the (many, many) things that dragged down 3DO. It looked like a regular CD player. Hell, Nuon devices were regular DVD players, with a half-assed "game console" grafted on.
Consoles are all about being trendy. In each generati
Re:Form over Function? (Score:1)
Presenting The ultimate console setup [kambach.net]. One's a Wii 2 (is that 'Number 2', or 'Wii-wii'?), one's a 720, one's a PS4.
Stacked.
Silent.
Lights tell you what's going on. Red for bad status, green for good status.
Optical tray drive on the left. (Like a normal CD drive, Xbox, Ps2, NOT LIKE THE MAC MINI.)
Controllers plug in to the front face or the right.
Switch on the sid
Re:Form over Function? (Score:1)
The cart goes in sideways on the door'ed models. There's an actual top-loader (the cart fits in from the top like the genesis). It doesn't have the 10NES lockout chip, but it's downside is an apparent error in the PPU resulting in a bad vertical bright line every 8 pixels.
Re:Form over Function? (Score:1)
Sony (Score:3, Informative)
Well, this is something that goes along with another quote I read recently:
This is why I get irritated whenever anyone says Nintendo censors (oh they do, and in very irritating ways) and Sony doesn't. Sony loves to censor, and they have from the beginning, but they are good at projecting an image, I'll give them that. You suck, Sony!
Re:Sony (Score:2)
I guess the Sony fanboys really are scared.
The cool factor. (Score:2)
Re:The cool factor. (Score:2)
"Oh, this? Noooothing... just... FUTURE-BOX-STATION -- it's only the most amazing game machine ever.
"Ohhhh shiny, I WANT!"
Re:The cool factor. (Score:2)
Hell I would buy a couple, just for the ovals. Not sure why, but something about an aluminum oval just says "I AM FROM TEH FUTURE" and I want one.
TLF
Re:The cool factor. (Score:1)
Re:The cool factor. (Score:1)
it hast the largest shiney surface area, much betterer than that lame no shiney Xbox 360 and that possibly shiney but we don't know Wii thingy!
Fascinating.... (Score:3, Insightful)
But submit that -1 comment as story and it gets a green light.
A lot of work went into the design and shape of the 360. It actually has an intentional theme (though that theme is not so clear if you lay it on it's side as I'm sure most do). I do not know about the PS3, but I saw a vid on the designers working throuh the aesthetics of both the box itself and the on-screen interface and it's pretty fun and functional.
If you lined a bunch of these devices up in a row and asked a chick to pick one, I think the 360 would come away with a plurality.
Re:Fascinating.... (Score:1)
Re:Fascinating.... (Score:1)
Did you just cut and paste that reply? Did you even write it yourself?
Re:Fascinating.... (Score:5, Funny)
Whenever I look at my Xbox 360, I am immediately reminded of my white Dell Optiplex GX110 that I had in my office circa 2001-2002.
Re:Fascinating.... (Score:2)
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Re:Fascinating.... (Score:2)
wow that does look similar.
Please Allow Me To Summarize The Article (Score:5, Funny)
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Sony is horrible blah, Nintendo is OK, but not as good as Sega and MS
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I hate Sony, the never do it right, blah blah, Nintendo tries, I guess, but they still fail when compared to the best ever MS and Sega... blah blah
Once again another useless Zonk Post...
Re:Please Allow Me To Summarize The Article (Score:4, Insightful)
Anyway, from the article:
So it looks like something you could put a DVD into. Isn't something similar what he thought was cool about the Sega Genesis?
The article is just a useless rant against nothing.
Good article, bad writer. (Score:5, Insightful)
Apparently he doesn't like the NES design
Or the Xbox
Or the Gamecube,
Or the Ps2
Or the Ps3
Or the Xbox 360
Or the Wii
Or the Jaguar.
But apparently the Gensis, Master system and Dreamcast were great for him. That's wonderful, except Sega's not around for a reason, Sega might knows how to make a good looking game system, but if you can't make a good game system under it you get screwed.
Personally I think anyone who thinks any of the current systems needs a redesign might be right, but let's be honest. The best looking system can still not work. I owned a genesis and a NES, a Super Nes, A N64 (which was "sleak" but crap) a Gamecube, a PSX, a PS2, and a Xbox 360. And if I had to go back in time but not get one of them, guess which one it would be? The Genesis.
Gamers arn't looking for a good looking game system, gamers are looking for a good playing game system. Genesis is the most game system looking out of my list, but the fact is that it didn't help it be a good actual game system in the least is the real problem.
I mean look at the grandfathers of our industry. The Atari with it's ugly ridges and huge switches. Oooooh baby.+
Re:Good article, bad writer. (Score:1)
Re:Good article, bad writer. (Score:1)
But I honestly don't understand what all the fuss is aboot. I mean, you could put it in a generic black VCR box and I'd buy it if it had good games. I mean, you don't usually spend a whole lot of time admiring the looks of your consoles. Most gamers spend their time admiring the games themselves.
Unless, of course, you're a case modder... then I guess that I could understand to
Re:Good article, bad writer. (Score:2)
I fully agree with you, it could look like a dog crap but give the performance of full VR and people would buy it. Because they want that functionality. I've never seen someone say "I don't want that system because it looks ugly". I've seen people make fun of the Xbox's size, but that's just because it's Microsoft, and it was a giant system. Personally I made those same taunts. But it could
Enough FUD (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Enough FUD (Score:1)
Unless FUD has a different meaning here on slashdot, in which case, I'd like to know what that meaning is.
Re:Enough FUD (Score:1)
Well, for starters (Score:1)
Things don't fly well without any upward force under them. I know. You ever tried to make a Gamecube fly?
Yea.
Fly, Plaything, Fly (Score:2)
What is this guy smoking? (Score:1)
Re:What is this guy smoking? (Score:2)
Hardware Wars (Score:2)
What do you want? (Score:2)
That
Dreamcast (Score:2)
Re:Dreamcast (Score:1)
What was the point of all that? (Score:2)
Three pages full of talking, and yet he said nothing at all.
Fundamental premise wrong (Score:3, Interesting)
Game systems also have to hook into more advanced AV equipment now and that simply means they have to somewhat adopt the look of that whole electrnocis ecosystem.
Personally, I am fine with how the 360 and the PS3 and the Wii look. All interesting designs. If all the console makers were really smart they would have arraanged the designs of the three consoles so that they could lock together and with all three you'd have some funky cool shaped thing, or a transformer or the like.
The PS3 designers must be from Chicago (Score:2)
Actually, it does. It really really does. (Score:2)
I have to admit curiosity... (Score:4, Interesting)
By which you mean... (Score:2)
1) The closest the modern console comes to this in any way shape or form is the Skinny PS2 by virtue of tinyness alone.
2) There is no 'Cool' factor available with doing this, and so the console manufacturers just aren't interested in something that cn barely be seen (unlike, say, nVidia which is cool with the idea).
3) The 'Modern cabinet' is seen as whatever fits under or over th
Re:By which you mean... (Score:2)
You are so wrong. This has been proven wrong time and time again, in different settings. You point out car stereos - they [typically] fit into one of two form factors, but the manufacturers have managed to drive sales one way or another through the design of the faceplate. Sometimes it's colored, sometimes it ha
Re:I have to admit curiosity... (Score:2)
Re:I have to admit curiosity... (Score:2)
I skimmed it, any PS1 mention? (Score:1)
Re:I skimmed it, any PS1 mention? (Score:1)
that was teh funny.
Bacon Asthetics (Score:2)
SOLD!
Seriously, I don't care what it looks like on the outside. It's what's on the inside that counts. My wife hates all my "ugly" consoles, anyways.
What's wrong with them? (Score:2)
KISS (Score:2)
Re:KISS (Score:1)
Hey Sony (Score:1)
This is so they "fit in" on Japanese shelves (Score:1)
The confusing thing is the xBox360, but maybe they thought changing the box would increase usage in Japan - won't work though.
Newsflash braniac ... (Score:1)
Sweet Jesus! It's highschool all over again! (Score:3, Interesting)
"Come on, I know I look like some over-inflated piece of living pop art but it's what's on the inside that counts..."
Seriously though, does any gamer (or anyone at all) really care that the Wii looks like a single slice toaster or that the PS3 looks like a George Foreman grill? I guess this guy is the last one on the planet who still buys the plain beige pizza boxes that used to be all the "rage" because he feels that buying a nice Lian Li would make his computer lose it's sense of identity.
And speaking of identities... can we add any more hyphens to the author's name? Sheesh
How about Eric-Jon "The Waffle-Iron" Rossel-Waugh?
Retroism (Score:2)
Maybe they dont want them to look like consoles...maybe they want something that goes in a sitting room and doesnt look out of place.
This site is very retroist. Same subject over and over "the problem with 'todays' consoles is that they not yesterdays consoles', "the problem with todays games is that theyre not 2d platformers"..."where have all the proper games gone"..."t
Easy question to answer.. (Score:2)
Too complex.
Not enough fun to balance out the "shiny" of the console design.
Sony made their Playstation originally with all manner of ports and peripheral connector options. Eventually they just removed them all. What was the point of putting those interfaces on anyway? Added complexity.. the console is just trying to do too much these days.
Even Nintendo I think have gotten it awkward, the Wii would be a super duper discrete console, and then you need to have 3 controllers to play all the games (Wii
Not to mention (Score:2)
Hell, I bought a NEW XBox (NOT the 360) a week or so ago for 1/3rd the price of the 360. Add to that the fact that I'm adding a modchip and a 160GB hdd, and I'm STILL spending less.
Now I need to backup my games before my youngest loses the DVDs.
And since the 360 is out, the prices of the games for the original XBox should be dropping like SCO's ability to prove a case.
Unbelievable! (Score:2)
The obvious refusal