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Super Smash Brothers Wii, Featuring Solid Snake 292

Posted by Zonk from the tricky-nintendo-very-tricky dept.
mcc writes "In a surprise news conference this evening, Nintendo unexpectedly revealed Super Smash Bros. Brawl for the Nintendo Wii, and released a promo video of the title. Smash Bros. Brawl will feature online play; a Nintendog item that blocks your view of the playfield by jumping up on the screen and demanding to be petted; bizarre Dragonball Z style superattacks; your choice of traditional Gamecube or motion-sensing Revmote control; and new characters in the form of Samus (without the suit), Meta Knight, Kid Icarus (!), and... Konami's Solid Snake, complete with a cardboard box he hides in. The only bad news is despite earlier reports it would be a launch title, Smash Bros. Brawl will not be out until 2007."
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  • Favorite Character Submission Contest (Score:5, Informative)

    by eldavojohn ( 898314 ) * <eldavojohn@noSpAM.gmail.com> on Thursday May 11, 2006 @09:32AM (#15307613) Journal
    From the Wikipedia article [wikipedia.org] on it:
    Japanese fans are currently being asked to submit their desired characters and themes to Nintendo's website, the most popular of which will be incorporated into the game. It is currently unknown if this will eventually be opened for overseas fans as well.
    The site where you can vote [smashbros.com] (Japanese only I guess) and the IGN article [ign.com] on it.

    The XBox 360 had a mild welcome in Japan ... Is Nintendo playing favorites in order to win a solid monopoly on the Japanese market?

    Maybe I'm just jealous. I want to vote for Bub & Bob (Bubble Bobble [wikipedia.org]) as a counter pair to fight those damned Ice Climbers!

    • Re:Trailer ! (Score:5, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 11, 2006 @10:42AM (#15308238)
      E3: the chatlog
      Sony: Woo! Check out the PS3! It pushes squillions of polydandries!
      Audience: That's nice, but we've heard that before.
      Sony: Well I guess you aren't interested in MGS4 then?
      Audience: Wooh! Rock on MGS4!
      Sony: And check out our new controller. It's like our old controller, but it has tilt sensors, but not like those crappy Nintendo sensors, ours are EXTREEMME!
      Audience: Wait what? What about the Baterang?
      Sony: And the best part? The console's not only the biggest of the next gen consoles, but it's the most expensive!
      Audience: WTF?!
      Sony: And! If you pay a measly $100 more, you can get the version that doesn't suck!
      Audience: Fuck you.
      Sony: Screw you guys too then, you'll be begging to mortgage your house for Blu-ray one day!
      *Sony has left #E3
      *Nintendo has joined #E3
      Nintendo: Wiiiiiii!!!
      Audience: Wiiii?!
      Nintendo: WIIIIIIIIII!!!!
      Audience: Wii!!
      *Nintendo does cool shit with their 'gimmicky' controller
      Audience: Man that looks fun
      *Nintendo is Away
      *Microsoft has joined #E3
      Microsoft: We were kinda worried about Sony, but now... I don't even know if we need to show Halo 3
      Audience: Wooo! Halo 3!!
      Microsoft: Cool.
      *Nintendo is back
      Nintendo: So I hear you like Metal Gear
      *Nintendo surprises everyone and puts Snake in a SSBB
      Audience: WTF Holy Shit wowo!

      - We are here -

      • Re:Trailer ! (Score:5, Funny)

        by Jerf ( 17166 ) on Thursday May 11, 2006 @11:38AM (#15308795) Journal
        Nintendo: Wiiiiiii!!!
        Audience: Wiiii?!
        Nintendo: WIIIIIIIIII!!!!
        Audience: Wii!!

        Ever since the name was announced, I've had this odd compulsion to visit several local gaming stores, run inside and shout something to the effect of "Wiiiiiiii! Wiiiiiii! Wiiii? Wiii! Wii wii wii wii wii wii wii! Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!" Also, during the first couple of "Wiiiiiii!"s, I'm running around the store using my arms as airplane wings.

        I haven't done it yet, but the temptation is oddly strong. I don't really have the time, though....

  • Oh my gods! (Score:5, Interesting)

    by geminidomino ( 614729 ) * on Thursday May 11, 2006 @09:35AM (#15307633) Journal
    Nintendo finally remembered Pit!

    Wonder if we'll get a new KI game on the Wii now...

    • Re:Oh my gods! (Score:3, Interesting)

      by Bagels ( 676159 )
      Quoting from the GameSpot article:

      I think it opens up a lot of different possibilities," was Miyamoto's response. He said he thought he could see a Wii version of Kid Icarus, and that the Wii controller could enhance games like Starfox. "Sadly, though, I don't have time to do that right now since I'm so tied to so many different projects going on," said Miyamoto via a translator. He then commented how it would be nice to add Wii controller support for virtual console titles.

      Prospects seem pretty good, th

  • Controller (Score:5, Informative)

    by magicsquid ( 85985 ) on Thursday May 11, 2006 @09:37AM (#15307645) Homepage
    ...your choice of traditional Gamecube or motion-sensing Revmote control

    That doesn't seem to be true from what I can see. The following is taken from the article at IGN.

    http://revolution.ign.com/articles/707/707504p1.ht ml [ign.com]

    Under the direction of series creator Masahiro Sakurai, Super Smash Bros. Brawl will feature classic, GameCube-style combat -- not Wii-style motion-controlled combat. That means players who prefer to play the game with the traditional control setup can look forward to using the GameCube control-style they're already accustomed to.

    "We found that trying to implement too much motion-sensory functionality can get in the way of the game. We're looking at keeping the control simple, as it has been," said Sakurai. "The Wii hardware has sockets for the GameCube controller, too. So I'll just say now that you may not want to throw away your GCN controller yet."

    • Just because iy doesn't use the motion sensing feature doesn't mean it can't use the remote control. Chances are they won't require you to have a gamecube controller (or any accessories that aren't included) in order to play the game.

      • Re:Controller (Score:3, Interesting)

        by MindStalker ( 22827 )
        Chances are they won't require you to have a gamecube controller (or any accessories that aren't included) in order to play the game.

        Its looking very likly they will include atleast one "classic" controller with the console. But for many games the GC controller might be better. Am i the only one who LOVES button layout for the GC controller?
        • Actually, I love the GCN controller, too. And they're sturdy, too. I've broken PS2 controllers easily, but I've had my GCN controllers longer. Other than needing the occasional cleaning with alcohol, they work as well as the day I got them.

          And am I the only one who did a spit take when he read this headline? Solid Snake? Jesus Christ, Nintendo, I get it. I swear, I will be standing in line to get a Wii, whenever it is released. Really. You don't need to persuade me anymore.

    • Re:Controller (Score:5, Informative)

      by barawn ( 25691 ) on Thursday May 11, 2006 @10:24AM (#15308074) Homepage
      IGN's quote is taken out of context. Gamespot's [gamespot.com] is more in detail.

      Another question was presented to Sakurai. "How will Super Smash Bros. Brawl take advantage of the Wii controller?" The designer said he had been working with different ideas, and had found that too much use of the controller's pointing and motion-sensor functions was not a good thing. He then dropped a hint, saying gamers may not want to throw away their old GameCube controllers, which the Wii supports. Sakurai then said he wants to support the console, but offer something different than other Wii games.


      He's not saying that you can't play it with the Wii controller. Just that it probably won't use many (or any) functions of it. Keep in mind that SSB doesn't really need much more than an analog stick and two buttons, which the controller and nunchaku have.

      And if that's all you use, you could use a GameCube controller as well, if you felt like it.

      • Re:Controller (Score:4, Informative)

        by Miraba ( 846588 ) on Thursday May 11, 2006 @12:17PM (#15309276) Journal
        SSB doesn't really need much more than an analog stick and two button

        Analog stick for movement.
        C stick for alternate smash move and camera movement.
        A for attack.
        B for special attack.
        X/Y for jump.
        Z for grab.
        L/R for shield and air dodge.

        • Re:Controller (Score:4, Informative)

          by barawn ( 25691 ) on Thursday May 11, 2006 @01:02PM (#15309786) Homepage
          Original SSB (that is what I said, isn't it? there wasn't an 'M' in there):

          Analog stick: move
          A: attack
          B: other attack

          The C buttons were jump, but so was Up.

          I did forget about grab and dodge, however.

          Okay, that's an analog stick and four buttons. Which... you still have.
    • Those comments about the motion-sensitive controller not being good for this signature game are kind of interesting. What title in Nintendo's own stable seems like it's meant more for a sort of wild, frenetic party atmosphere? Super Smash Brothers should involve some smashing, and yet here's the developer saying it gets in the way of the game?

      At least he said the "too much" part. Hopefully people who use the Wii controller will have some sort of fun with it and N's just working on getting things just so.

      • Well, keep in mind that this is a sequel to a very successful and well regarded franchise. If they changed it too much, it would no longer be a Smash Bros. game, it'd be it's own beast, even if it contained the same characters and was named similarly.

        Perhaps there is a lot of potential for a game with a similar premise, which uses the Wii controller in some crazy ways, but that's not where they decided to take this game. I'm all for innovation, but sometimes it's a good idea not to throw away what already w

  • Nintendo: the next Apple? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 11, 2006 @09:39AM (#15307657)
    Recent developments sure lead me to believe that Nintendo has become the next Apple. They have followed the same path over the past two decades, from a strong company with a very popular product who is rapidly downtrodden, only to wallow in their own despair for years. Thankfully for those who remember them in their heyday, they manage a holy redemption and become leaders in their field once again.

    It looks like they both used the same strategy, too. Both Apple and Nintendo have taken the route of offering trendy, innovative products of a very high quality. While their competitors aim only for the most powerful system (which will soon by eclipsed by PCs in a year or less), Apple and Nintendo both produce hardware and software products that maximize the user's experience.

    • You forgot the fact that Nintendo doesn't overcharge for all of its products. It seems with Apple you get charged an extra 20% per "i" included in the product name. If Nintendo followed that trend...i'd probably still buy their products.
      • Funny, am I the only one who remembers the price on a NES dropping after Nintendo was hammered (antitrust?) for its price fixing practices?

        Maybe Nintendo doesn't over charge right this moment, but I'd bet good money that if they found themselves in Apple's shoes (popular boutique product recognized as the "BMW" of its niche), they'd charge a premium too. Remember that Nintendo is the underdog in the US market right now--they're probably willing to narrow their margins in order to win back the very mindshar
    • Mmmm hardly ... Apple get great press but they aren't all that innovative, IMHO. They just build well engineered/designed things (on average .. QuickTime for Windows is crap).

      Look at the Mac ... these days hardware wise it's pretty much a PC in a white case. About as boring and uninventive as you can get. MacOS X looks nice but is just an evolution (or mashup) of existing systems. Its primary innovation was a focus on eyecandy. The most innovative feature I can think of in a Mac is Expose. The real innova

      • "Look at the Mac ... these days hardware wise it's pretty much a PC in a white case. About as boring and uninventive as you can get. MacOS X looks nice but is just an evolution (or mashup) of existing systems. Its primary innovation was a focus on eyecandy. The most innovative feature I can think of in a Mac is Expose. The real innovation in operating systems takes place in things like Plan9, Singularity etc."

        before apple what color were all computers? beige and maybe if you are lucky, black. That was the r
        • How many computers came standard with a GUI in the 80s before apple's?
          Not sure about timing but it must have been the first (of many) but who did the innovation apple or xerox?

          before apple what color were all computers?
          Don't care - the box sits under the desk, I look at the screen, I get a lot more work done that way.

          How about a GL acclerated desktop?
          Absolutely no idea - so?

          no one put tiny HDDs on mp3 players
          Archos, maybe not tiny , but the same width and height as an iPod - thicker though (lots approx x2 :
          • my point is often times innovation involves taking preexisting tech and implementing it in a new way. The key operator here being new. Computers are built upon abstraction. You depend on underlying principles to implement more complex things. Look at something like java. It is clearly innovative (esp when it came out) but it is really a collection of a lot of tech that works well together.
          • "I guess the question is about the term innovate. As I said in the first question, did apple innovate or just improve."

            I don't normally go rushing to Apple's defense. Actually, I'm usually quite critical of them. (To the point that I was mod-bombed so badly I was actually suspended from Slashdot for a few weeks.) However, the one argument I really cannot make is that they weren't innovative. It's easy to boil things down to overly simple terms and say things like "well, they weren't the first to use an H
        • >> regarding innovation, have you even used a mac or an ipod?

          yeah, just got one. It's pretty half-assed toy OS. Even though it came with a super drive, there is now way to exactly copy an audio cd.

          It's like they just thought of a few things for you to do, anything else, and os x just fails. Apple is still up to it's old ways, do it our way, or don't.
        • How many computers came standard with a GUI in the 80s before apple's?

          The name you're looking for is Amiga. They were not only more powerful than Apple's, but cheaper, too. Apple is only an innovator when compared to Microsoft.

    • Re:Nintendo: the next Apple? (Score:5, Informative)

      by barawn ( 25691 ) on Thursday May 11, 2006 @10:34AM (#15308161) Homepage
      They have followed the same path over the past two decades

      Nintendo's not a 20-30 year old company like Apple.

      Nintendo's a one hundred and sixteen -year old company.

      Nintendo has always made sure to expand its market to ensure that it's not ever in any danger. They own the Seattle Mariners, branched out into the taxi business as well as sex hotels [wikipedia.org] and vacuum manufacturing.

      Video games really made them a household name, but Nintendo has always been worried about being tied to a too-small portion of the populace. Then again, you don't get to be a 116 year old company without that worry.

  • Giant piles of good news (Score:5, Insightful)

    by 246o1 ( 914193 ) on Thursday May 11, 2006 @09:42AM (#15307681)
    I hope the Wii does well. This is not because I am a fan of the company (though they've done great work which has brought me much pleasure), but for a more pragmatic reason: I intend to buy one, and want lots of third-party support.

    This is excellent news for people like me, and presumably Nintendo itself, because:
    a) SSB has become a marquee title for Nintendo, and it will be good to have this out in that first 6-months-to-a-year period
    b) this gives everyone an early answer on the question of GC controllers. Namely, on games where it's appropriate, we CAN expect the option of using the GC controller.

    Though my budget for games seems to be much smaller than a lot of the people on /., I think I will be able to scrape up the funds for a Wii and a game every couple months. The way things are heading, I will have a huge supply of desirable games to choose from.

  • Samus (Score:5, Funny)

    by name_already_in_use ( 604991 ) on Thursday May 11, 2006 @09:46AM (#15307713) Homepage
    in the form of Samus (without the suit)

    I know I'm not the only one to be excited about this. right?

  • Snake on the Wii (Score:5, Interesting)

    by 2nd Post! ( 213333 ) <gundbear.pacbell@net> on Thursday May 11, 2006 @09:46AM (#15307716) Homepage
    I wonder if that means a Metal Gear Solid title for the Wii?

  • Kid Ikarus on Wii? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by syntax ( 2932 )
    I was wondering who this fellow was: http://media.revolution.ign.com/media/748/748545/i mg_3595421.html [ign.com]

    Is it Kid Ikarus? Are we looking forward to a 3d version of Kid Ikarus finally?
    • Yes. That is Pit from Kid Icarus fame. With the amount of pestering that fans have been doing, it is quite encouraging that he shows up in SSB:B. I would truly hope that it is a precursor to a full blown Kid Icarus title on Wii.
    • There have been rumors about a new Kid Ikarus for Revolution/Wii since a year or so, I guess the Pit appearing in Super Smash Brothers makes that rumor even more likely to be true.

  • NE2 (Score:5, Interesting)

    by hal2814 ( 725639 ) on Thursday May 11, 2006 @09:55AM (#15307789)
    Is it just me or has this year's E3 become the Nintendo Entertainment Expo (NE2)? Seems like Nintendo is the only console company that will come out of this with more steam than they came in with. Whatever they lost by revealing their console's silly name has been nmore than made up for.
    • Actually that impression has more to do with virtually all coverage coming from Zonk, who judging from the breathless enthusiasm for all things Nintendo appears to be something of a fan boy.
      • Or the impression could come from everywhere I've seen or heard cover the event. Granted, Sony and MS get more press elsewhere than they are here, but Nintendo is getting most of the headlines. Besides, I thought the groupthink was that Zonk is an XBox fanboy?
        • I've not noticed Zonk before seeing a recent slew of articles by him / hew that breathlessly exalt Nintendo or its games when there must be a lot of interesting news for virtually every platform from E3.

  • Snake a mistake? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by mikeisme77 ( 938209 ) on Thursday May 11, 2006 @10:00AM (#15307824) Homepage Journal
    Don't get me wrong, I'm porbably as psyched as everybody else that's ever played an MGS game to see Solid Snake making an appearance in Super Smash Bros. But considering all of the MGS games are either exclusive to, or arrive a year or more sooner on Sony systems (including their handhelds), is it wise to place him in Super Smash? Doesn't that sort of promote him/MGS, which in turn indirectly promotes PS3 and PSP (where those games appear)? Of course, on the other hand, maybe it's more likely to motivate the MGS fans who were plannning on buying a PS3/PSP and MGS games any way to ALSO purchase a Wii so they can play yet another game with Solid Snake... I guess I can see it going either way, but I really wish Konami/Kojima could show Nintendo some more love (since that's where he got his start) and do at least ONE exclusive Metal Gear game for the Wii...

    I'm still waiting for Sonic to be added to Smash Bros., so we can settle once and for all which mascot will win in a bar fight...

    • I've linked to it once in this forum, but here's [gamasutra.com] some Solid Snake clarification. Konami isn't concerened what system he appears on. Apparently they just didn't want it on the XBox. But he has already appeared on the Gamecube with Twin Snakes (a gorgeous remake of the orignal Metal Gear Solid).
      • I'm aware of Twin Snakes, but again, that's a remake (and Snake appearing years after he appears on Sony's console). I'm looking for something more along the lines of more than just a nod to Nintendo--something like an exclusive Metal Gear game or at least a Metal Gear game that appears before (or even a simulataneous launch with the Playstation version). And there HAS been a Metal Gear game for XBox as well (which was also a remake of the original Metal Gear Solid--I know it was referred to as MGS 1.5 whil
        • Well, there's also the fact that the original two Metal Gear games appeared on NES. Yes, you could easily argue it was due to NES supremecy at the time. But you're right, it's about the money. They'll make games for the most popular systems. And it looks like PS3 isn't going to be as popular as its little brother.
        • The MGS game on the XBox was NOT the first one, but rather a sort of "director's cut" of MGS2. It was subtitled "Substance", which is part of why the MGS3 special edition is called "Subsistence".
    • I think it'd attract more PS fans than lose Nintendo fans. There may be a few MGS fans that will buy any and all MGS related stuff but there are probably no Nintendo fans that will up and buy all games related to characters in SSB. Honestly, I don't think it'll have much effect either way but, if any, it would be more PS going toward the Nintendo game (especially since the Wii is likely to be cheap).

    • Re:Snake a mistake? (Score:2, Informative)

      by cno3 ( 197688 )
      I guess I can see it going either way, but I really wish Konami/Kojima could show Nintendo some more love (since that's where he got his start) Not to be pendantic, but the MSX version of Metal Gear (that came out a year before the NES version) is considered to be the preferred version.
      • I was unaware of the MSX version (and I'm actually unaware of what MSX stands for--is that the Master System?) But that's a very good point/correction that I was unaware of. Still, I wish these 3rd parties would stop playing favorites so much (this includes 3rd parties that develop for Nintendo)--if they want to make an exclusive 3rd party game for one system, they should do the same thing for at least one other system (like Square--even though Nintendo seems to just be getting nods from them, at least they
    • I'm still waiting for Sonic to be added to Smash Bros., so we can settle once and for all which mascot will win in a bar fight...
      You get out to some really weird bars.

    • "I'm still waiting for Sonic to be added to Smash Bros., so we can settle once and for all which mascot will win in a bar fight..."

      The answer is: Cowboy Neal.
  • a Nintendog item that blocks your view of the playfield by jumping up on the screen and demanding to be petted

    So, a fierce dog bars the way, then?

  • My God! (Score:5, Funny)

    by the phantom ( 107624 ) * on Thursday May 11, 2006 @10:19AM (#15308011) Homepage
    Wario is the goatse man!

  • Solid Snake! (Score:5, Funny)

    by Rob T Firefly ( 844560 ) on Thursday May 11, 2006 @10:30AM (#15308126) Homepage Journal
    On one hand, isn't he a bit too gritty-realistic-violent-combat for the cartoony SSB?

    On the other hand, finally! An opportunity to sneak up behind Pikachu and snap his damn neck!

    • And Link and Ganon are any different? Or what about the Fire emblem characters?

      Snake will most likely be using a Famas and play like a mix between ganon and fox I bet. Box will obviously be a defensive icon and could be quite intresting all round.

      Plus we don't know who else is in Brawl, we could see anything in ifr.
  • Tons of stills here [thewiitalk.com].
  • "...a Nintendog item that blocks your view of the playfield by jumping up on the screen and demanding to be petted..."

    Isn't this the same thing as Clippy in MS Office?

  • Movie tie-in (Score:5, Funny)

    by RyoShin ( 610051 ) <<tukaro> <at> <gmail.com>> on Thursday May 11, 2006 @11:48AM (#15308911) Homepage Journal
    This is great. If they could push this out before August, we'd have a perfect opportunity to tie the game to a movie that is completely unrelated.

    What you'd have to do:
    1) Have Solid Snake as one of the fighters
    2) Choose one of the levels where you battle on Fox's ship
    3) Have everyone shout "SNAKE'S ON A PLANE"
    4) Profit/giggle madly

    Jokes aside, this looks awesome. Well worth the wait for online connectivity.

    One thing I don't see a lot of comments about is the "Super Smashes" (my term, not theirs). If you watch the trailer, at one point Mario grabs a sphere with the SSB logo on it, and does a little "charge up" animation. After which, he unleashes either a HUGE flame on everyone, or unleashes a thousand flame punches (I couldn't really tell). Kirby is also shown charging, and then we see Mario in a pot. Link appears to have some sort of mutli-slash that creates Triforce images around the character.

    Most likely, these would all be activated by the "Super Smash Sphere" (again, my term) which would be a very rare item. These look to have a lot of potential.

    Finally, some predictions for other new characters:
    -Waluigi
    -Captain Olmar (he'd control a small herd of Pikmin or something)
    -Paper Mario (he'd have the hammer, be able to turn side ways, would float down)
    -hopefully no more Pokemon

  • Who they REALLY need.. (Score:5, Funny)

    by rayde ( 738949 ) on Thursday May 11, 2006 @12:36PM (#15309486) Homepage
    I think the characters we all want are Left and Right Pong Paddles.

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