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NES Emulator for Xbox 360? 88

Posted by Zonk from the old-lessons-in-the-new-skool dept.
jayintune writes "2old2play is reporting on a new Nintendo emulator for the Xbox 360. Someone has apparently figured out a way to stream emulation via Media Center to the 360 in 480p. At this time sound is not currently available, but they are said to be working on a fix as well as other emulators including GEN and TG16. You can check out the emulator in action from this link to a YouTube video."
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NES Emulator for Xbox 360?

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  • Can't wait until I can get a supercomputer to run the XBox 360 emulator!
    • That may turn out to be true should you ever find yourself with a supercomputer, but without an Xbox. It's like how most people still use the Windows Calculator regularly despite the fact that you can get an actual calculator for a dollar.
    • So you're going to emulate the NES through Windows Media Player running through an emulated XBox360 running on a supercomputer. You know, there are NES emulators that run just fine on well-below-average computers now. Of course, when the Revolution comes out, you can do it legally, and without all the messiness of running emulators inside of emulators.
  • Even after the next generation people still want to play Nintendo on their Xbox?
  • it's to bad any progress they make can be completly undone in the blink of an eye with an "update" to the 360.
    • This statement is not correct. The NES emulator actually runs on the Windows Media Center computer that you have attached to your network. The 360 basically maintains a Remote Desktop Connection to it. This is how most MCE apps were meant to be written.
      • yes but all microsoft has to do is either update the 360 or the PC (or both) and just add in that it has to be signed code from microsoft in order to stream to the 360.

        it's prickish but then again it is microsoft, plus if you get the right lawyers nintendo could sue microsoft fot allowing it to happen (another company did this).
        • Why would MS do that?

          They only screw their customers if it either:

          1. Helps them
          2. Screws their competitors.

          If customer demand and screwing a competitor happen to coincide, as it does here, they are most likely to select the option which makes them the most money.

          In other words, just because they are evil doesn't mean they are randomly mean. They are perfectly happy to be nice if it serves their evil purposes.

  • PC required (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Eightyford ( 893696 ) on Monday March 27, 2006 @03:55PM (#15005156) Homepage
    Let me get this straight. Is a PC required to play Nintendo on the xbox 360 without sound? That doesn't sound very useful to me. If you really want free (as in illegal) NES games on your tv, you should consider getting a used dreamcast with 1 or 2 rom cds. You can even use game genie codes and saved states.

    • That's what I got from the summary.

      Someone has apparently figured out a way to stream emulation via Media Center to the 360 in 480p

      Seems to me this is pretty useless. So someone set up an emulator, and has it stream the video to the 360. Whooop-dee doo.

      Correct me if I'm wrong aswell, but I don't recall my NES being able to render games in 480p, so yet another null point.

    • But you're missing the important part. You can play NES in 480p!!! You haven't seen anything until you've seen 256x224 *upsampled* to 480p. It brings out details you never knew were there.
      • I remember that there was some emulators for SNES that had filters which made the games look a lot better on new hardware. Did antialiasing, and other tricks to make it look better.

      • But you're missing the important part. You can play NES in 480p!!!

        I can beat that: Nestopia for PC supports hq3x, which scales NES graphics up to 720p. And I don't need an Xbox to do that.

    • Or a used Xbox 1. It has some top notch emulators, and you can just ftp the roms to the hard disk and leave them there.

    • Re:PC required (Score:3, Informative)

      by Mitaphane ( 96828 )
      Better yet, if cost isn't much of an issue, buy an original XBox and modify it(or buy it premodded if soldering scares you). For $150(retail XBox) + $50(a nice modchip) + $100 (hard drive upgrade) = $300 you can get a gaming console that can do more than the XBox360. Granted it's not as pretty as an XBox360 in a number of ways, but the stuff you can do with it makes up for that. XBox Media Center(which will play almost any computer video/audio/picture format) + emulation of almost any popular old video game
      • If you arem't afraid of soldering, why not skip the $50 modchip, and just flash the TSOP?

        The only downside of that route is that you can't use Live.

        • I didn't even know you could do that! I knew there were alternatives to mod chips, but I didn't know flashing was one of them. Thanks for the info!
        • Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that only an option if you have a v1.0-1.5 XBox? I bought a new retail XBox(v 1.6) and from all the sources I've heard you're pretty much stuck with having to get a modchip if you want to mod it.
        • Or if you want to keep using Live as well, just softmod it using a save and dash exploit. Don't even have to open the case, does everything a chip/tsop flash does (other than let you change the boot screen) and you can still play on Live. Total cost is however much Blockbuster charge to rent one of the exploitable games.
    • Others have already mentioned buying an old Dreamcast or Xbox and using those with emulators. Better yet, just hack together some old PC parts you have lying around, put some sort of minimal system on it, and load up the emulators. Total cost: a few hours (provided you know what you're doing).

  • I don't get it (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 27, 2006 @03:59PM (#15005184)
    So basically you're running a game on your PC, and using the XBox 360 as a thin client to remotely display the PC's screen output.

    Why not just take one of the XBox 360's PC-compatible USB controllers, plug it directly into your PC, and play the game there?
    • Because some people would rather play on a comfortable couch with their big screen TV rather than at a desk with an office chair and a small monitor?
      • You've obviously never heard of a video card with TV Out.
        • You've obviously never heard of a video card with TV Out.

          Or a TV with VGA in.

          I have one of the Samsung DLP jobs. It's nice, because my HTPC sees it as a 1280x720 digital monitor. Looks waaaaaaayy better than s-video out on a video card.

      • Because some people would rather play on a comfortable couch with their big screen TV rather than at a desk with an office chair and a small monitor?

        Then use your television set as your PC's monitor. Many PC video cards have composite, S-video, component, or DVI outputs, and many HDTVs have VGA inputs. If you fear that an ATX/BTX case would look too out of place in your living room, get a nice Mac mini or Mini-ITX PC. In fact, a Mac mini is perfectly sized to fit under your GameCube.

        • Youre bashing the idea of this emulator streaming thing, and suggesting that instead they buy a new computer?

          Who is the crazy one again?

          • Youre bashing the idea of this emulator streaming thing

            Wasn't bashing. But I'd like to see you try to play some of the more difficult NES games such as Ninja Gaiden through the latency of this kind of solution.

            and suggesting that instead they buy a new computer?

            I prefer not to support computer hardware that restricts what its owner can do with it. Otherwise, imagine a PC that won't let you boot anything but Microsoft signed apps.

    • I think the point is that they could. Sure, it's not practical but these are baby steps to getting an Xbox360 to function like the old Xbox was capable of. Like all the "hacking" that has occured so far on the 360, this is just a link in the chain. So far people have figured out how to burn and play demo cd's, stream music from a Mac, play backed up games by hacking the DVD firmware, and some others I'm probably missing. It's their way of sticking it to the man I guess.
    • Lets put it this way:

      If I have my roms on my Media Center PC in my Office, and an Xbox 360 in my living room, Why would I want to buy another PC to play the NES games in my living room when I can just stream them over with the addition of a small and simple MCE app?

      Chances are if you're looking forward to a NES emulator on your 360 then you already have some roms and another machine somewhere where you can play them. there's no point in duplicating your rom set if you can use a single emulator and pla
  • I can play NES games on my phone (Nokia N70). Also Spectrum, Mame (z80 and 6502), Gameboy, Snes (too slow, though) etc. Why is this on Slashdot?

  • check this out (Score:5, Funny)

    by Dance_Dance_Karnov ( 793804 ) on Monday March 27, 2006 @04:07PM (#15005252) Homepage
    if you take a NES and hook it up to your tv, via RF or RCA cables, you can actually play NES games on your TV. The best part is, it has native support for NES controllers, and the sound works too. Imagine that. It even runs in 244i. :P

    • Re:check this out (Score:1, Flamebait)

      by aztektum ( 170569 )
      you're missing the point. the best part about these sort of projects is that you don't NEED a dozen devices plugged in to play all these games. in a way it's utilitarian and resourceful. it's why i put a chip in my xbox so i can just switch it on and not have to mess with all the controller cables, power cables and switchin around my a/v config just to play a game. i keep all the legacy systems and games in a closet that isn't used anyway and just play games without the fuss. i have even put some gameboy ga

  • Don't forget the Revolution! (Score:3, Informative)

    by ProppaT ( 557551 ) on Monday March 27, 2006 @04:14PM (#15005318) Homepage
    The Nintendo Rev will be able to play NES, SNES, N64, GB, GC, Genesis, and TurboGraphx games out of the box. Big deal. I think I can wait :)
    • Word, this one reason(besides my inate nintendo fanboyism) I am very excited about the revolution. I'll get to clear up the clutter around my tv. The only one of those systems I don't have is a PC-engine, and I used to have one of those.
      • Uh, only if you want to buy all of your old games again... and if you do not care about your old save files. I do like the virtual console idea, but my oldest console is a Nintendo 64, so there are plenty of older games that I do not own.
    • No GB support on the rev. That would encroach on the untouchable GB line.
      • I think the Revo should play GB games. It means they will sell more copies of the games, and since the Revo isn't portable, people will still by the GB. Might even sell more GB's because people play them on the Revo and want to take it with them.
        • In that case, it makes more sense to introduce a Game Boy Player/Super Game Boy type addon, rather than having you download the game and then only being able to play it on the Revo. Nobody wants to buy the same thing twice.
          • The Nintendo Revolution is all about "buying the same thing twice." Nintendo has made millions of dollars selling the same games over and over and over again and the Revolution will be no different.

            When the Revolution HD+ comes out, you'll have to buy Super Mario Bros. again to enjoy it in 1080p like Miyamoto truly intended.
            • Nintendo has made millions of dollars selling the same games over and over and over again and the Revolution will be no different.

              Whether or not this is true (and I don't think it is), it's not as if such behavior is unique to Nintendo in the current gaming industry.
              How many FPS sequels and "Sports Game $CURR_YEAR" titles are on the sales charts at any given time, for ALL consoles?

              • What I don't get is that the loudest advocates of the Nintendo Revolution are people who have owned every game console made since 1980 yet still yearn to purchase their favorite games all over again.

                "Finally, a way to purchase and play old video games on my television using a controller!"

                I envy Nintendo.
                • I have, in my life, owned an NES, SNES, Sega Genesis and Sega 32X. None of these systems do I own any longer, nor do I have more than 1 or 2 scattered games for them. I blame the lack of these games & systems on my siblings. Once I moved out and purchased a PS1, n64, PS2, Xbox & GC with my own money, I never had to worry about systems and/or games disappearing on me again, but I would still be interested in playing those games for the older systems I once possessed (as well as the TG16 games I on
            • This is such a tired argument. Ironically, it gets reused about as much as those who use it accuse N of reusing their characters.

              Pot, meet kettle.
        • what would rock is if I could buy GB games and put them on a blank DS cart so I could take them with me. there are a lot of GB games that I don't have that are just hard to find. FFA 1,2,3 come to mind. And I already have 6 devices that can play GB games, what is one more. (GB, GBp, GBl, GBC, GBA, GBAsp)
      • No GB support on the rev. That would encroach on the untouchable GB line.

        The Gameboy line was superceded by the Gameboy Advance line years ago.

        Neither the GB Micro nor the DS is capable of playing games for the original grayscale Gameboy, nor the Gameboy Color. I don't think it's unreasonable to beleive that some of those older Z80-ish-based games could show up on the Revo.
      • I was talking about GB, not GBA. And besides, I can legally, with an add on made directly by nintendo, play GBA games on my GameCube. What makes you think they would strike the ability all together from the Rev...especially with the DS being their portable powerhouse at the moment?
    • Witch makes me wonder, what would happen if a real (as in, non streaming from a PC) NES emulator for the 360 was to be released? Would Nintendo sue since that would be a major selling point for their new console?
      • You can run NES and SNES emulators with little difficulty on an original XBox if you hack it. I doubt that any company would sell an emulator, especially after Bleem got sued out of existence over their PSX emulator for DreamCast. (I think Bleem won the law suit but went out of business fighting.)

        • I doubt that any company would sell an emulator, especially after Bleem got sued out of existence over their PSX emulator for DreamCast. (I think Bleem won the law suit but went out of business fighting.)

          Unless the Connectix and Bleem cases have resulted in a binding precedent in at least one federal circuit. Once one defendant achieves a pyrrhic victory, the rules of precedent under the common law let another defendant in a similar situation win more easily.

      • Neither Nintendo or Microsoft would let it happen. Remember that Microsoft makes money off games, and people playing emulated nes games doesn't get them anything. Nintendo makes money off games as well, and the games ran by the emulator would probably be pirated, because the chances of Nintendo signing a deal with someone to make their products run on a major competitors systems is unlikeley, and as already stated, it would enroach on their market share.
    • I believe most people won't care about emulation, perhaps buying 1-3 games at most. I would guess most people interested in the old games already have emulators running on other machines and would be unwilling to pay to do the same on a revolution, unless it was really cheap, as in 0.99

      Now, if you could download GC games, that would be sweet, but I don't see how that would be possible with the limited flash memory of the revolution.

      I'll probably pick up the revolution and playstation 3, if it comes out by c
      • "I believe most people won't care about emulation, perhaps buying 1-3 games at most. I would guess most people interested in the old games already have emulators running on other machines and would be unwilling to pay to do the same on a revolution, unless it was really cheap, as in 0.99"

        First, I do think NES games will be this cheap. They won't be able to get away with charging 5-10 dollars for a 3k file of a 20 year old game. I'd be willing to bet it's a few dollars per NES game. I'd guess maybe it'd b
        • They won't be able to get away with charging 5-10 dollars for a 3k file of a 20 year old game.

          And as a pre-emptive rebuttal to anyone about to cite the $15-20 sales prices of the "NES Classics" series for Gameboy Advance, the difference there was that physical distribution expenses were still involved. Producing a cartridge costs money, packaging costs money, shipping pallets full of game boxes around the country costs money.

          For that matter, paying bitmap artists to subtly tweak the original graphics to lo
          • And as a pre-emptive rebuttal to anyone about to cite the $15-20 sales prices of the "NES Classics" series for Gameboy Advance, the difference there was that physical distribution expenses were still involved. Producing a cartridge costs money, packaging costs money, shipping pallets full of game boxes around the country costs money.

            Riiiight.

            The other companies re-releasing classic hits are generally putting them out in collections. "Midway Arcade Treasures," or "Sega Classics Collection" or "Capcom Classic
      • Yeah, I think the idea is to make the games cheap enough to be impulse buys. After all, the virtual console games are almost pure profit for Nintendo (they have to pay for bandwidth). There have also been comments by Nintendo that they would also allow some new (low budget, small) games to be downloaded, although the specifics on that have not been made clear. A downloaded GC game would be huge. Even downloading onto a SD card that would pretty much fill an SD card. Also, that would take a while/be a lot o

        • After all, the virtual console games are almost pure profit for Nintendo (they have to pay for bandwidth).

          Unless some of the exclusive right holders involved get residuals, as may likely be the case for sport-league-related and movie-related titles.

          • Unless some of the exclusive right holders involved get residuals, as may likely be the case for sport-league-related and movie-related titles.

            All the less incentive for Nintendo to include such titles of ephemeral interest in the downloadable game library.

            I don't see why anyone whould be clamoring to play the SNES game John Madden Football '93 or Acclaim's NES adaptation of Total Recall today, anyway.
    • The Nintendo Rev will be able to play NES, SNES, N64, GB, GC, Genesis, and TurboGraphx games out of the box. Big deal. I think I can wait :)

      Not only that, but if you use the xBox360 solution, you still have to buy a Windows box to play Windows Media Center output and broadcast it to the xBox360.

      However, it may be easier to crack. The xBox360, that is.

      Decisions, decisions. I think I'll wait two years and enjoy my GameCube and xBox just a tad longer. I still haven't completed Sims2 (xBox) ...
  • This is not an emulator for the Xbox 360. It is being emulated on the Windows Media Edition PC, and "streamed" to the Xbox 360.

    First, who the hell has Windows Media Edition? People who use Windows because they have to use Windows XP Pro or something like that, low end home users use XP, and everyone else uses Linux / OSX... but really, Windows Media Edition is for Media PCs that you hook up in your living room, and why not then just run your emulator directly.

    A NES emulator on Xbox 360 would be cool, but th
    • I belive the reason they are not allowing Pro/Home users to even stream media to their 360 without MCE is to encourage people to upgrade to any verison of Vista which will support the 360 out of the box.

  • Love (Score:1)

    by mqduck ( 232646 )
    3 SMB3!!!
  • "Hello Mr. Balmer"
    "Not very fine at all! Our japan sales are terrible!"
    "What do you want me to do about it? Those japanese love their Nintendo games."
    "Wait a minute I have an idea."
    "Whats that Mr. Balmer?"
    "We punch a hole in our highly proprietary and expensive desktop product and one in our highly proprietary 360 console then pay some paid 'hacker' to release a Nintendo emulator for it."
    "Sir, itsn't that illegal?"
    "No such thing. We own the technology end to end so we can do whatever we want with them. Just

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