Star Wars 3D And TV 311
Master_of_Tumbleweeds writes "Rick McCallum, co-producer of the Star Wars prequel trilogy, appeared at a press conference in Japan earlier today. He spoke about the future of Star Wars, specifically about the 3D updates of all six films and the upcoming TV series. McCallum said that the 3D films would be released within two to three years, and that the TV shows would take place during the 20 year time period between Episode III and IV. He also mentioned that one of the shows would follow the adventures of a young Luke Skywalker, and reveal how certain characters ended up together. The show starts production next year."
Or to make a long story short (Score:3, Funny)
He'll do it weekly with a TV series!
Re:Or to make a long story short (Score:5, Funny)
Or maybe not.
Re:Or to make a long story short (Score:2)
Re:Or to make a long story short (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Or to make a long story short (Score:3, Interesting)
Actually if you want to include time and money as dimensions, then you would have to invert those in the formula as they are a waste of time and money. Technically speaking, because those two dimensions are inverted, they then cancel out two other dimensions, leaving all George Lucas work a mathematical equivelant of 1D cinematography.
Re:Or to make a long story short (Score:3, Funny)
Sorry, I don't speak Idiotese. When my protocol droid comes back, I'll have it speak to you since it understands alll 29 million variations of Idiotese (except for the dialect on the Millenium Falcon).
Re:Or to make a long story short (Score:2)
It would be so much Lucas' way of thinking: let the technology deliver the quality.
Beginning of the End of Star Wars (Score:4, Insightful)
Another problem is inconsistency.
The first sign of trouble is inconsistency in the storylines. An example is the fact that, in the original SW trilogy, the Force is available to anyone willing to commit herself to the ideals of the Jedi. Obi-wan Kenobi offers to teach Han Solo how to master the Force, but the swashbuckler declines, preferring a good pistol. Then, in the new trilogy, the Force is available only to those with the blood stocked with midichlorians.
By the way, epics come along only once in a great while. Trying to generate new and wonderful ideas each week for a TV series is extremely difficult; hence most shows (e.g. ST) end before about 7 seasons. Such a conclusion leaves a bad taste in everyone's mouth, and once devoted fans permanently ignore the franchise.
SW will most assuredly meet such a fate -- unless George Lucas deflates his ego and terminates the television series before they even begin.
Re:Beginning of the End of Star Wars (Score:2)
Re:Beginning of the End of Star Wars (Score:5, Insightful)
As for the midichlorians, perhaps there is more to it than your apparently limited insight allow for. First of all, it is well known in the SW universe that the force permeates every living thing (with one notable exception, but they aren't discovered until after ROTJ so we will ignore them here). If midichlorians act as the mediation for that interaction than the implication is that everyone has at least SOME midichlorian in them (whatever it is) but that some folks have more than others. Just as some people are naturally more gifted athletes or mathematicians or more suited to contemplative, spiritual paths so too are some beings more likely to be adept at bearing the Force. The importance of "introducing" midichlorians is that it allowed Lucas to tell us that Anakin was off the chart when it came to natural Force adeptness. So your argument is rather unsophisticated.
Furthermore, you have to account for the fact that just because a "sage" says something doesn't mean that it is the whole truth or even true at all. It is simply their belief or understanding. Note how both Yoda and Obi-Wan (whom we would assume should know better) are both bent on getting Luke to destroy Darth. Obi-Wan never fails in this persuit even though Padame's dying words to him were insistant that there was still good in Anakin. It takes young Luke (who is apparently the "real" chosen one and thus has great insight) to realize that one of the characteristics of the Force is that redemption is possible for all -- even Anakin. This is the real moral of Star Wars and it is somewhat hidden behind everything else that goes on so it is not surprising that you don't see it (again, neither did Yoda nor Obi-Wan). If you allow yourself to sucked in to the "realness" of the scenes that Lucas presents you miss things like that and it suggests that you are only doing a surface read. Yes its a big budget action movie but if you take a moment to NOT be wowed by what is happening, there is stuff there that acts at a deeper level.
Asides from all that -- who the fuck cares if you are unhappy about these films or the direction that Lucas is taking the franchise? Just because you don't get it doesn't mean that you get to trash it. A lot of people DO enjoy SW and will continue to do so long into the future. As your ability to deconstruct appears somewhat lacking (don't worry, not everyone has great reserves of that talent) it is likely that your judgements on the matter will leave much to be desired. You talk about Lucas' ego and yet it is you who are suffering from delusions. I think Lucas has earned the right to set the direction for SW. You: not so much.
Re:Beginning of the End of Star Wars (Score:5, Insightful)
Actually, the grandparent poster can say anything they damn well feel like about these films. On Slashdot, it's generally accepted that you can post anything you wish as long as you can accept the effects this will have on your karma.
This allows people to *gasp* criticize movies. Just like it allows you to play the shameless apologist for lukewarm (pun intended) cinema. Are you really objecting that a movie review was based on someone's opinion? Were you expecting objective, empirical evidence?
Your personal set of taboos don't play a part in these forums.
Re:Beginning of the End of Star Wars (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Beginning of the End of Star Wars (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Beginning of the End of Star Wars (Score:2)
It pains me to have to point out the obvious, but without Luke's intervention--which is based directly on his insight and his rejection of the dark side--there would have been no end of Palpatine. Indeed, without Luke, the dark side would have triumphed. The fact that Anakin was redeemed and did the right thing does not in itself imply that he was the catalyst for that action. It is Luke who leads the galaxy back to light and Darth's transende
Re:Beginning of the End of Star Wars (Score:2)
If you are going to reply to someone like that you should first understand the words that you use. I used "deconstruct" properly. But it is somewhat rewarding to see a slashdot AC purport to know what the hell they are talking about when in reality it is just so much wind coming out of their ass. Nice try, but restrict your comments to someone who doesn't have the wherewithal to kick you ass.
Re:Beginning of the End of Star Wars (Score:2)
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Just because David Brin said it in Salon doesn't mean it's true.
You are invited to sit down with the laser discs, video tapes, or DVDs, and study them thouroughly. As soon as you find the line where Obi-Wan offers to train Han, post it exactly here, along with the preceeding and following lines fro
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Wedge Antilles of Rogue Squadron, who appeared as a fighter pilot in the Battle of Yavin in Episode IV, the Battle of Hoth in Episode V, and the Battle of
please (Score:2)
That would be a nice change.
3-D Star Wars Prequels? I Can't Wait! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:3-D Star Wars Prequels? I Can't Wait! (Score:2)
Why? (Score:5, Insightful)
Millions will watch it; fans will get more annoyed and alienated; non-fans will find it increasingly hard to believe the fans' claims that it used to be good and it will all be hugely profitable. Nothing new.
Re:Why? (Score:5, Insightful)
So if you're looking for an artistic rather than fiscal reason, that's it: George Lucas gets to make the movies he wants to make. He's writing and directing them, despite pleas from the fans to let somebody else do it. Supposedly that's what a real artist does: make the art his way, and critics, fans, and profits be damned.
He happens to get the profits anyway. But if you're asking him to stop making movies his way and make them the way you want to see them, he'll tell you what any artist would tell you: go make your own movie.
Re: Why? (Score:3, Insightful)
> So if you're looking for an artistic rather than fiscal reason, that's it: George Lucas gets to make the movies he wants to make. He's writing and directing them, despite pleas from the fans to let somebody else do it. Supposedly that's what a real artist does: make the art his way, and critics, fans, and profits be damned.
And Lucas just happens to think action figures are an art form.
If Lucas would not sue, then we'd make a movie. (Score:2)
Whenever SlashDot posts a "Star Wars" (SW) topic in this forum, participants soon push the number of submitted articles to about 1000. There are many fans who are committed to the original myth in original SW trilogy, not the new myth in the new trilogy.
I would also bet that, among those devoted fans, are some rich folks who have the
Re:If Lucas would not sue, then we'd make a movie. (Score:2)
Seriously, it's his "stuff". His characters, his situations, his stories, and his ideas. It plays out the way he wants it and just because a bunch of people like it a lot doesn't mean they get to choose what happens or how things are done. For that they need to go create their own "stuff".
Re:Why? (Score:2)
Re:Why? (Score:2)
Look on the bright side: He hasn't changed any dialogue.
He still understands that there is a subtle difference between, "Luke, I am your father", and, "Luke, who's your daddy?"
Re:Why? (Score:3, Interesting)
You just answered your own question - millions will watch it. They'll watch it at least as long as it takes to find out if it's good or horrible.
It could be good. The 'Clone Wars' cartoons seem to be well liked, though it may not have reached a very large audience.
If they get it right, it could be as successful as 'Smallville' or some of the 'Star Trek' series. I thought 'The Young Indiana Jones' TV
Re:Why? (Score:2)
No mercy you have ... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:No mercy you have ... (Score:2)
okay, so it might have been fantastic the first time around, but it has got to be one of the most overrated series ever.
even if nothing was done after the first three films so it was as "pure" as possible, imo once the people old enough to have seen it on release die it would have been completely forgotten. after ROTS (which I think was okay to good but mostly just due to Ewan's enthusiasm) I tried watching the first film again. I got about 10 mins in before I
Re: No mercy you have ... (Score:2)
> okay, so it might have been fantastic the first time around, but it has got to be one of the most overrated series ever.
With possible competition from The Matrix and the LotR books.
> even if nothing was done after the first three films so it was as "pure" as possible, imo once the people old enough to have seen it on release die it would have been completely forgotten.
IMO eIV wasn't great, but at least it was fun. Somewhere along the way Lucas lost his way, first by trying to take it too serio
Re: No mercy you have ... (Score:2)
At least I've yet to see someone start foaming at the mouth while describing how much it hurt them.
Re:No mercy you have ... (Score:2)
Why don't they make a TV series from the book "I, Jedi", the Jedi Academy trilogy, or best of all - the Thrawn Trilogy? They could make one badass mini-series with Thrawn. There are many good story arcs in the Star Wars universe, and most lie outside the existing movies. I'm partial to those after the original trilogy, but there are good stories from before the prequel
Re:No mercy you have ... (Score:2)
Kind of reminds me when Enterprise 'explained' the smooth headed Klingons. I was one of the few that enjoyed that show, but I really despised the sterilization of that detail. I had a lot of fun imagining what would cause that. "We do not discuss it with outsiders."
I see your point, man.
Hmm. (Score:5, Funny)
3D Effect right now... (Score:5, Funny)
Sigh (Score:2)
Re:Sigh (Score:4, Insightful)
in episode 4 han and luke interacted in a fashion that suggested that was the first time they had met. how would it make sense for them to interact in the TV series when the time frame is the 20 years between episodes 3 & 4?
Re:Sigh (Score:2)
I'm excited!!!! (Score:2, Funny)
I'm so excited, I gotta pee...
Re:I'm excited!!!! (Score:2)
Atlantis is a spin-off of SG1, which *was* based on a movie and, having lasted 9 series, can't be doing too badly.
certain characters? (Score:2, Interesting)
Isn't the main unknown in that gap between III and IV how Han met Chewie? All the other Ep IV relationships are fairly well accounted for...
Re:certain characters? (Score:4, Funny)
Including so many that no one cared about. Such as: Why Yoda and Chewbacca are such good friends. And: Why Baba Fett has a grudge against Obi Wan.
Re:certain characters? (Score:2, Insightful)
The story in between Ep 3 and 4 could be about why Chewie and Han don't communicate. Perhaps they see a marriage councilor (Lando???). Endless possibilities!
Re:certain characters? (Score:2, Funny)
Not to be confused with cousin Baby Fett, or any of the clone warriors.
Re:certain characters? (Score:2)
Re:certain characters? (Score:2)
though if you go back and read it with a different viewpoint, it's really hard to see it.
Re:certain characters? (Score:2)
I mean, those are just more examples of the vast open starwars universe shrinking and shrinking because everybody knows everybody else from way back
Re:certain characters? (Score:3, Informative)
It's been covered in Brian Daley's Han Solo books [amazon.com] already. The short [ndo.co.uk] version [jediknights.co.uk] is that Han (who was an Imperial officer at the time) happened to be stationed at the slave camp that Chewie was in. He saved Chewie from being killed by some other Imperials for rebelling against his captors, and in return Chewie swore a life debt to Han.
Bah. Another 'kiddy show'? (Score:2)
Nobody is interested in how luke grew up to be such a brat that he is at the start of EP4. Star Wars is all about epic (and maybe not so epic) battles, not about the growing pains of a twit.
I wish they'd make X-Wing TV-series. The book series, while somewhat uneven, would instantly provide couple of seasons worth of interesting story. And even if they'd just rip
Re:Bah. Another 'kiddy show'? (Score:2)
It's a story *for* children. They're supposed to watch the various episodes as they grow older. That's why Anakin is a child in Ep1.
Complaining about Lucas' target audience for Star Wars is like getting upset that the Prydain books are typeset with an oversized font and relatively short.
Re:Bah. Another 'kiddy show'? (Score:2)
Which explains why Episode 3 is much more disturbing than 4-6...oh, no it doesn't. Please show where George Lucas has said that his target audience is children.
Re:Bah. Another 'kiddy show'? (Score:2)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/394542.s t m [bbc.co.uk]
He said the allegations said more about the people making the claims than they did about his film.
"There is a group of fans for the films that doesn't like comic sidekicks. They want the films to be tough like Terminator, and they get very upset and opinionated about anything that has anything to do with being childlike.
"The movies are for children but they don't want to admit that. In the first film they absolutely hated R2 and C3-PO. I
Re:Bah. Another 'kiddy show'? (Score:2)
Re:Bah. Another 'kiddy show'? (Score:2)
1. is revan male or female?
2. is revan light side or darkside?
3. (if lightside) did Revan kill Bastilla?
4. (if revan male) does he fall in love with Bastilla?
5. (if revan female) does she fall in love with Carth.
6. (if revan darkside female) does Revan kill Carth?
7. Is Juhani in the party?
I think thats it for KOTOR1. In KOTOR2 you have this stuff premangled into two decisions [male|female], [ds|ls]. For a movie/tv show you'd have to decide on ONE of each, sort of killin
Star Wars Anonymous... (Score:2, Funny)
Prequels... (Score:2, Insightful)
Is the whole concept of "prequels" flawed?
I found that all the Star Wars prequels focused on acting out things which we already knew the result of, showing younger versions of characters or parents of characters, and ruining our personal concept of what went before.
Are there any instances where "prequels" were successful and expanded the narrative?
Re:Prequels... (Score:2)
Prequels leave the audience expecting so much that they hardly ever pay off. Enterprise, anyone?
Re:Prequels... (Score:2)
2 words:
The Godfather.
wbs.
Re:Prequels... (Score:2)
You probably mean The Godfather: Part II, in reference to the depiction of the early years of Vito Corleone (as portrayed by De Niro) before he became Don Corleone. That story was told alongside another narrative within a single film.
The Godfather, on the other hand, was a straightforward tale and not a prequel of any kind.
Re:Prequels... (Score:2)
I wouldn't say so, "Batman Begins" seems to be quite good, some of "Animatrix" was great, "Escape From Butcher Bay" seems to be pretty good, watching the first few minutes of Indy3 was fun and Buffy/Angel also had a bunch of going back in time over the whole series that is pretty good as well and there is also "Knights of the old Repulic". Ok, some of this are actually games, not movies, but it shows that one can do plenty of interesting stuff with story happen
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3d Technology (Score:2)
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I've Got a Bad Feeling About This (Score:2)
Young Skywalker (Score:5, Funny)
I don't see why so many people are negative about this prospect. I mean, how could this possibly go wrong? ;-) [penny-arcade.com]
Re:Young Skywalker (Score:2)
Trailer (Score:2, Informative)
Star {Wars,Trek} (Score:3, Insightful)
It seems that Star Trek isn't the only over-exploited franchise that needs to take a rest for a decade or two.
Adventures? (Score:2, Insightful)
How can you make a tv series that needs 20-24 interesting things to happen each year out of that?
Re: Adventures? (Score:2)
> I thought that episode IV kind of established that Luke's life up to that point had been really boring...
Now that is a story line that Lucas is qualified to do right.
Not good (Score:2)
But do we really need to know how Jabba met that pale dude with that snake thing on his head? Or am I the only one that found the appearance of the original series character so tacked on?
Does that mean... (Score:2)
Super 3D special effect (Score:5, Funny)
The "adventures" of Young Luke? (Score:5, Insightful)
The problem with such Superboy-esque things is that they just can't do too much with them - we know he can't die, can't suffer any real loss or develop at all as a character (after all, the Luke we first met was hardly heroic - he whines a lot and builds model shuttles. Wow!)
Show me Han Solo's earlier life. Show me Leia's life - she at least seems to have been doing things for the rebellion. Show me anything, but god, please, don't show me 10 episodes of "Luke and his old pal Wompy get in trouble with Uncle Owen when they get sand in tender spots."
Re:The "adventures" of Young Luke? (Score:2)
You all are depressing... (Score:3, Interesting)
but then again- why should I care as I increasingly believe that the dominant crowd here is wrong about a great many things. IE: Not all software should be free, Linux is not superior to Windows (anymore), The RIAA is not evil for pursuing sharers of copyrighted work, oh... and the latest start wars was pretty damn good.
Re:You all are depressing... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:You all are depressing... (Score:2)
I also LOVED the new star wars, so you're not alone
Linux is not superior to Windows
About this, I'm actually thinking that the time for me to switch to using linux full-time (I mostly use linux for programming only right now) is approaching, because of Microsoft's stupid Trusted Computing initiatives... Depending on how successfull they are with that, I'll make my decision (though a problem will be convincing my family with our common PC... linux
Dual Lens for 3D? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Dual Lens for 3D? (Score:4, Informative)
Not anymore. There is a company [in-three.com] that has figured out how to do it with computers, and George Lucas has said he wants to use their technology [go.com] to re-do all 6 movies.
Smallville... in space! (Score:2, Funny)
No, wait -- perhaps Luke can discover his Force-powers, and then forget them all just before the droids arrive.
Wow, this is going to be so great. Luke with his Force-powers, young Han and Leia hanging out with him in Mos Eisley. C3P0 and R2D2 can serve drinks or something, right before they have their memories erased again.
George Lucas is really onto a winning formula here!
Luke 90210 (Score:2)
Just give it to Genndy Tartakovsky (Score:2)
I think Obi Wan said it best: (Score:2)
So maybe I don't have the quotation perfect, but I have yet to meet a fan that thinks the tv show is a good idea.
Hypothetical conversation... (Score:2, Funny)
Me: Really? Did it still suck?
the downward spiral (Score:2)
OMG no no no MY EYES MY EYES (Score:3, Insightful)
A tv show depicting the life of young Luke, eh? How nice. I'm betting the content will be as follows:
--Luke faces many challenges and trials, but overcomes them with the support of his friends and family.
--Luke has a band of about 4 multiracial, telegenic friends each with their own particular mannerism and area of expertise.
--Comic relief is provided by a small robot or alien critter. Ha ha!m
--Sometimes Luke feels lonely or insecure but by the end of the episode he has recovered his self worth, thanks to teamwork, sharing, and staying true to himself.
--Serious themes (social injustice, the pain of being dumped) are sometimes raised, but at the end of each half-hour, a few wise words from Luke's aunt and uncle set it all to rights.
This is an absolute must-see! There's never been TV like this before! What a splendid use of the SW franchise!
WHAT THE FUCK ARE THESE PEOPLE THINKING??
Haven't they heard about diluting a brand?
(pause)
NO, REALLY, WHAT THE FUCK??
Re:So... (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Young Luke Skywalker? (Score:2)
http://penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2005-04-27
In Soviet Russia (Score:2)
Re:3D? Bah! (Score:2)