Google's X Files Vanish 407
An anonymous reader writes "News.com reports that Google's latest technology experiment paid tribute to Apple Computer, but the Mac OS X-themed version of the search king's Web site was taken down a day after its debut. Though that particular page was taken down, there is a screenshot here displaying how the icons were magnified as the mouse hovered over them."
We all know why (Score:4, Funny)
Re:We all know why (Score:3, Funny)
Re:We all know why (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:We all know why (Score:5, Insightful)
Precedents aside, the look and feel of software is not always separate from the functionality. The function of a lot of software these days is to make hard things easy, and much of that has to do with the GUI.
Re:We all know why (Score:5, Informative)
You're thinking of the Lotus 123 case [mit.edu].
The difference was that Lotus didn't have a patent, they only had copyright, which as you rightly point out doesn't cover look and feel.
This time, though, Apple have a patent for the graphical design [appleinsider.com] which means they may well be able to successfully sue those who copy the look and feel of their interface.
Which IMHO just goes to show how dumb patent law is these days, but hey, everyone's doing it so it might be right. Right? :-(
Re:We all know why (Score:5, Informative)
No, it didn't.
Instead of hearing that Apple lost that case and jumping to an incorrect conclusion about what it says, maybe you should actually read the ruling?
But, no, this is Slashdot, where people can't even be bothered to RTFA (which, talking about the current article, makes no mention of Apple legal putting pressure on Google). So, I'll sum the ruling up for you:
Apple sues Microsoft for stealing its "look and feel". Apple loses because the judge ruled that the license agreement that Microsoft had with Apple could be interpreted to give Microsoft right to the look and feel. Without the fuzziness in the license wording, Apple would have won easily.
- Tony
Seriously, you're right. (Score:3, Interesting)
If anything, Apple is even more uptight [morochove.com] about this sort of thing.
Google X was one of those ad-hoc projects [google.com] that Google encourages [businessknowhow.com] its employees to get into. Which results in cool stuff, but also stuff that should have been run by the lawyers first.
Re:We all know why (Score:5, Informative)
Re:We all know why (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:We all know why (Score:3, Informative)
Re:We all know why (Score:3, Insightful)
Or uses their massive amount of cash on hand to buy out potential competitors.
Or leverages tie ins with computer manufacturers so that Google comes pre-installed on all new pc computers.
Because it is so hard to type alltheweb.com or yahoo.com instead of google.com into the address bar of the browser.
And Firefox claims that it "can't render yahoo.com or msn.com corre
Before anyone jumps to conclusions... (Score:5, Insightful)
To those who may be so inclined to immediately blame Apple, I would say: wait until any facts in this particular instance actually support that position.
Re:Before anyone jumps to conclusions... (Score:2, Insightful)
It's part of the comspiracy! They're everywhere man!
Seriously though, it seems more likely that it was pulled because of internal reason at Google, rather than Apple playing Microsoft.
Re:Before anyone jumps to conclusions... (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Before anyone jumps to conclusions... (Score:2, Redundant)
Re:Before anyone jumps to conclusions... (Score:3, Insightful)
Well, they do minimize INTO the dock...
The Opposite Conclusion (Score:3, Interesting)
I thought that Google had doctored up this obvious territorial infringement on the Mac OS X desktop as a warning shot fired across Apple's bow since Apple is apparently making a big deal out of searching interfaces and algorithms with it's forthcoming Spotlight [apple.com] technology in it's next operating system.
Re:The Opposite Conclusion (Score:4, Insightful)
PS (Score:2)
Re:The Opposite Conclusion (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:The Opposite Conclusion (Score:3, Insightful)
I thought that Google had doctored up this obvious territorial infringement on the Mac OS X desktop as a warning shot fired across Apple's bow...
Hmm, yeah. The menacing threat conveyed by the Google X tagline certainly backs up your theory: "Roses are red. Violets are blue. OS X rocks. Homage to you."
Re:Before anyone jumps to conclusions... (Score:5, Funny)
Well if I am looking at the right one, he should first learn about descriptive variable namees. There are a lot of single-letter variables and function names in there.
Re:Before anyone jumps to conclusions... (Score:5, Insightful)
been removed of white space, and all functions
renames to single or double var names--all to
save space the speed loading.
*Obviously* people don't code this way.
Re:Before anyone jumps to conclusions... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Before anyone jumps to conclusions... (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Before anyone jumps to conclusions... (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Before anyone jumps to conclusions... (Score:3, Insightful)
I'd say that, while it is prudent to not jump to the conclusion regarding the facts behind the take down, that given Apple's past behavior in "protecting" their Aqua user interface, that some amount of suspecion aimed in their direction is perhaps justified. Even if Apple did nothing, if Google took them down out of fear out of what Apple might do to the
Google cache to the rescue! (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Google cache to the rescue! (Score:2)
Re:Google cache to the rescue! (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Google cache to the rescue! (Score:2)
Re:Google cache to the rescue! (Score:2)
NOT anymore!
Re:Google cache to the rescue! (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Google cache to the rescue! (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Google cache to the rescue! (Score:2, Informative)
http://dinkdoink.com.nyud.net:8090/me/googlex/ [nyud.net]
Coral Cache (Score:2)
Roll your own (Score:3, Funny)
Another thought: the icons could be recycled and used for ObjectDock (http://www.stardock.com/products/objectdock/ [stardock.com]) if only the goddamned thing wouldn't crash Explorer.exe so much...
If it were Windows (Score:4, Funny)
*grin*
Already? (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Already? (Score:3, Informative)
X-Files (Score:3, Informative)
Still blgged on the Google's Blog (Score:5, Informative)
Admitted is was influenced by OS X (Score:2, Interesting)
He shouldn't have to keep his mouth shut (Score:5, Insightful)
Then again, I've had a few beers and can imagine the world, with a few minor tweaks, being perfect like that.
Code Still Available (Score:5, Informative)
http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=2
Re:Also know as. . . (Score:2)
The perfect thing to have left... (Score:4, Funny)
Mirror of X (Score:5, Informative)
http://www.theplaceforitall.com/googlex/ [theplaceforitall.com]
Mirrored copy (Score:2, Informative)
here [comcast.net]
Mirror (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Mirror (Score:2)
That's funny, the chicago branch of ATM wasn't aware of this!
All your bases... belong to Apple Legal (Score:2, Funny)
Re:All your bases... belong to Apple Legal (Score:4, Funny)
While apparently all the karma belongs to people offering mirrors.
Ah, the opportunities of a slashdotting...
SB
A working cache (Score:3, Insightful)
You're welcome
Congratulations (Score:2)
mirror dot (Score:2, Informative)
Local Copy (Score:4, Informative)
Speculation (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Speculation (Score:5, Informative)
Google Labs FAQ [google.com]
Re:Speculation (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Speculation (Score:3, Informative)
Bumbling idiot like a fox!
Meh. (Score:5, Funny)
It's actually kind of cute (Score:4, Insightful)
The dock is a great idea for a launcher for a small, fixed handful of applications. It makes efficient use of space, it gives feedback about what you are about to do (when you click, it's the big one that be launched). I can imagine how well the original demos went. It's all the other stuff the dock is forced to do, like tell you about the state of your session, that are a bad idea.
Host it locally (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Host it locally (Score:3, Funny)
Neat poem (Score:2, Insightful)
This is NOT useable (Score:4, Insightful)
Part of the goodness of Google is how simple it is.
I'm sorry but I don't associate a compass with local searches, The word Local is much better, I can read 10 links in the same time it takes to move the mouse over 1 icon to figure out what it does.
It's just a script-trick. Yes it's fun, yes it's good looking, no it's not accessable or bandwidth friendly. It's not even that well coded.
This is just another stupid trick but because it's Google it gets press attention?
Frankly, that's kind of silly. There are a lot more cutting edge things floating around out there than images that resize when you roll over them.
Re:This is NOT useable (Score:5, Insightful)
If and when google does its thing and releases a client/server OS or platform where all the apps are served up over the web, this little trick demonstrates that it's possible to make a very nice looking, very slick, and user friendly interface similar to that of a full blown OS currently on the market.
Eye candy is apparently possible, and it is necessary. The average user will most likely select their platform based on the look and feel first, then functionality - which is about the same way most people make all their purchases.
This IS usable.
Re:This is NOT useable (Score:2)
It gets press because (Score:5, Informative)
2) Slashdot loves Google.
3) It looks kinda nifty.
4) It's not something most people expect HTML to be able to do.
I mean your same criticims apply to the actual dock. Tog (Bruce Tognazzini, founder of the orignal Apple Human Interface Group) did a writeup on the dock and complained about it as being a nice tech demo but not good for usability. One of the reasons was no labels on icons (http://www.asktog.com/columns/044top10docksucks [asktog.com].
However, seems clear in the case of Google it was just a tech demo. Some guy showing off some nifty stuff with DHTML. Doesn't look like Google was at all serious about actually using it as theri new interface. They've long maintaned a very simple, clean, compatible interface and this would break from that.
But ya, neat though it is, not sure it's front page
Experimental Webpage VANISHES! News at 11!! (Score:2)
It was very cute, though. Even funnier was how people who've never used OS X had a reaction akin to: "Uhm, so what?"
my version (Score:5, Interesting)
http://shiwej.com/googlex/ [shiwej.com]
Mod parent up (Score:2)
Re:my version (Score:5, Informative)
Full Mirro (Score:2, Informative)
http://www.eaglescrag.net/Googlex/ [eaglescrag.net]
Re:Full Mirro (Score:3, Informative)
They even took down the cache of the mirror. (Score:2)
Of course I am trolling. It's not been up long enough for google to cache it.
Google Interface (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Google Interface (Score:4, Interesting)
I'd love to be a large company in the internet age (Score:5, Funny)
Steve Jobs: What is on the agenda today?
Secretary: Well sir, while you were sleeping a Google employee wrote 9 lines of JavaScript and made a blog entry, which because everytime Google farts the world sniffs.., spead around the world through other blogs as world changing. However, because it linked to an external site Google took it down without explination cause they are all "mysterious" and better than other companies, and then someone said you did it on Slashdot and now we have a mob with pitch forks and torches outside 1 Inifinite Loop.
Steve Jobs: Pitch forks already? I haven't had my coffee yet!
Swiki (Score:2)
Get your own copy ... (Score:2, Interesting)
Local Mirror (Score:3, Informative)
Be Gentle [mirwin.net]
Re:Variable names... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Variable names... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Variable names... (Score:2)
I think the word you want is "optimerized".
No, I'm not George. Good guess, though.
Re:Variable names... (Score:2)
Also the declaration of z = Array thats cool
I wonder if it was hand-smallerized, or via machiney, 'cause there is "x = false;" but no "y = true;" - true is only used a couple of times throughout the script.
Re:Variable names... (Score:2)
For example, Google Maps [google.com] sports a 90KB file named "maps" (no extension) that is included from the main page and contains nothing but such compressed javascript.
Re:Variable names... (Score:4, Informative)
Obfuscated.. (Score:2, Informative)
The reasons would obviously be:
a) Bandwidth: All those extra characters (newlines, variable names, etc) can really add up.
b) Security: Competitors can't steal what they can't read.. or can they?
Definately cool, though!
Re:Obfuscated.. (Score:5, Interesting)
MSH
Re:Variable names... (Score:2)
Re:Bummer! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Bummer! (Score:3, Insightful)
While I don't think the demo was intended to be accessible, larger images and text DO help vision impared people...
Jumping to conclusions (Score:4, Insightful)
What if he was RIGHT to jump to conclusions? (Score:4, Insightful)
As you yourself noted, Apple has now accumulated a reputation for "suing everone in sight"; isn't that reputation their own fault? And aren't people justified somewhat in suspecting Apple to be at fault here, BECAUSE of that litigious reputation of theirs?
Re:Flamebait? (Score:2)
More importantly, do you really believe that the machine that is Google would simply cowtow to Apple over javascript rollovers with larger mouseover images? I think not.
Re:Big deal.. (Score:2)
Re:Big deal.. (Score:2)
Ahhh... then you weren't paying close enough attention. They all move out to the sides when you enter... it works a lot like the dock.
Re:Big deal.. (Score:2)
The peculair part of this setup is the dynamic scaling, that is that it's not just jumping from one size image to the next as a snap, it's actually growing and shrinking by increments.
woohoo.
Re:Not that great (Score:4, Interesting)