IBM Prepares 100-Terabyte Tape Drives 137
Roland Piquepaille writes "It's a well-known fact that we're living in an era of data explosion, and that it's not about to stop. So it's not really surprising that IBM researchers are eyeing 100T-byte tape drive. Yes, you read correctly. They want to increase the capacity storage of their largest units by 250 times, from 400 GB to 100 TB. In order to achieve this goal, they're borrowing "nanopatterning" techniques derived from the microprocessor division. Today, the size of a tape track is about 10 microns. They want to reduce it to 0.5 micron -- or 500 nanometers -- in about five years. IBM doesn't really say when a 100-Terabyte tape drive will be available. But more importantly, the company doesn't say a word about future data transfer rates, which today reach a 80 MB/s. Read this overview for more comments about this problem of data transfer rates."
PR0N! (Score:3, Funny)
I bet it's worth the money... (Score:5, Interesting)
Seriously, imagine backing up every single thing you've ever heard, seen, or read. 40TB maybe?
Re:I bet it's worth the money... (Score:5, Interesting)
So in a sense you are quite right!
Re:I bet it's worth the money... (Score:3, Interesting)
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Re:I bet it's worth the money... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:I bet it's worth the money... (Score:2)
But you do have a point - he's not allowed for the time spent sleeping, and 30% is a reasonable estimate.
Re:I bet it's worth the money... (Score:2)
Absolutely not. Many significant things in my life have been partially based upon things I've heard while sleeping. Your environment while you are unconscious has a greater impact upon you than you would believe.
Re:I bet it's worth the money... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:I bet it's worth the money... (Score:2)
Re:I bet it's worth the money... (Score:2)
here's some links:
Scroll down about half way [techtarget.com]
This will give you a good overview of TCO for tape vs. Disk [wwpi.com]
Do your own research... you'll see the facts for yourself...
or go here to see the future of backup and restore:
Avamar Technologies [avamar.com]
Re:I bet it's worth the money... (Score:2)
Re:I bet it's worth the money... (Score:2)
I bet there was a time when someone said the same thing about hard copies of data.... ie: if it's not a hard copy it's not a backup.
Times are a changing... you'd be surprised to find out how many companies are moving to disk to disk backup solutions, no tape to be found, and they're not looking back.
my opinion is that if you have a copy of old data you can restore from, you've got a backup.
Re:I bet it's worth the money... (Score:2)
Re:I bet it's worth the money... (Score:1)
I think the shelf life for this media will be a bit less than your shelf life.
Sounds like they're packing the data in REALLY tight. What kind of physical degradation will take place over time?
Re:I bet it's worth the money... (Score:5, Interesting)
I heard that the information flux you receive trough your sensory devices (eyes, ears, etc.) is 20Gb/s. This value is purely anecdotal but it does sound right. For the sake of the argument, let's pretend that the value is correct.
Let's assume that you live 100years=3 153 600 000s =~ 3Gs. This means that experience being you can be stored to 60Pb. Of cause we need to know your genetic make-up but that is peanuts compared to 60Pb. 60Pb is 75 100TB tapes. This means that if you can compress your sensory data to 1/75=1.4% from the original size, you can, in fact, store your whole life to one of these tapes.
The compression rate is, in my humble opinion, reachable. First of all, people spend most of their life sleeping. Second of all people ignore most of the data they receive. And third, the perception of the world is far from chaotic and therefore compressible.
So yes, you are correct: These tapes are capable to store entire human life, if we come up with a mean to record it.
Re:I bet it's worth the money... (Score:2, Informative)
Re:I bet it's worth the money... (Score:2)
tape drives? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:tape drives? (Score:1)
That won't work... (Score:2)
Where's,,, (Score:2)
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However tr
100 TB from IBM - Not a problem! (Score:3, Insightful)
Gimme, Gimme, Gimme.... (Score:1)
Pshaaah... I say.
Never underestimate the bandwidth of a 100GB tape in my pocket.
ps: We do all realize that, if these ever make it to the consumer market, approximately 99.9% of these will be bought for the "backup" of copyrighted material, right... ?
Re:Gimme, Gimme, Gimme.... (Score:2, Funny)
wrong (Score:2)
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Re:Gimme, Gimme, Gimme.... (Score:2)
Given that I work in a TV station, we have to save shows pretty much indefinitely due to Library of Congress requirements. We save our shows at 12 MBits and 50 Mbits and have around 11 thousand hours of new programming each year. Our current Petabyte tape backups system is not enough. With this thing, we might actually be able to keep
Just imagine (Score:2)
At least with some striping, they can resolve the speed issue.
(yay I know it's the 10^14th time we mention beowulf)
Data transfer rates (Score:5, Interesting)
I don't know where the solution here will come from, but I expect for the meantime this kind of large capacity will be used more for archival storage of old data than for backup.
Is there any research out there into the data transfer rate problem?
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Re:Data transfer rates (Score:2)
no, it is not. assuming you have 100TB to fill the entire tape, you probably want that data. And 3 days compared to the time it took to aquire all that data it is probably a drop in the bucket.
Man ONLY 3 days to get my 100TB data? sweet!
"Is there any research out there into the data transfer rate problem?"
No. None what so ever. The couldn't possible be any money in it....
really, use your head to think, will ya!
Uh. (Score:2)
It's how long it takes to restore the data....
I'm willing to bet it seems longer when the Boss and the Customer is standing behind you making "encouraging noises".
So far the data transfer rate problem is a reality with most tape drives. So much so that it seems like buying 200GB SATA HDDs for backups is a pretty attractive option. Especially IF you can safely hotswap the SATA HDDs.
Most modern ATA HDDs can transfer at 40-60M
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This seems likely, too. For instance, it sounds like this is going to be a linear drive. The article states that "With its current technology, IBM is now abl
Re:Data transfer rates (Score:2)
If you're talking about baking up a single 100TB system to a single tape drive, you must not realize that companies use multiple drives in parallel to speed these things up.
If you're talking about the tape itself, I don't see your point.
That's definately not for PERSONAL backups. (Score:5, Informative)
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Re:That's definately not for PERSONAL backups. (Score:1)
Roland Piquepaille Spam and Slashdot (Score:4, Informative)
Roland Piquepaille and Slashdot: Is there a connection?
I think most of you are aware of the controversy surrounding regular Slashdot article submitter Roland Piquepaille. For those of you who don't know, please allow me to bring forth all the facts. Roland Piquepaille has an online journal (I refuse to use the word "blog") located at www.primidi.com [primidi.com]. It is titled "Roland Piquepaille's Technology Trends". It consists almost entirely of content, both text and pictures, taken from reputable news websites and online technical journals. He does give credit to the other websites, but it wasn't always so. Only after many complaints were raised by the Slashdot readership did he start giving credit where credit was due. However, this is not what the controversy is about.
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Before we talk about money, let's talk about the service that Roland Piquepaille provides in his journal. He goes out and looks for interesting articles about new and emerging technologies. He provides a very brief overview of the articles, then copies a few choice paragraphs and the occasional picture from each article and puts them up on his web page. Finally, he adds a minimal amount of original content between the copied-and-pasted text in an effort to make the journal entry coherent and appear to add value to the original articles. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Prepare for some mutations of Roland's method (Score:1)
Heck, maybe I'll do the same if I'm in the mood for some easy money. What's better than some geeks making money for a geek?
Re:Roland Piquepaille Spam and Slashdot (Score:2)
Mod Parent +Informative (Score:2, Informative)
I'd make you a Friend, if I knew your ID.
-kgj
Conspiracy! (Score:1)
Re:Roland Piquepaille Spam and Slashdot (Score:3, Interesting)
Anyway, cribbing articles into a collection is an age old tradition. There are very few original articles, and people seldom use 'orignal sources' Often the analysis provided by secondary soruces is useful. Ignorance and heeding to complaints is also an age old tradition. I am no
Thank you. (Score:1, Offtopic)
Copy and paste this article as an AC reply every time you see a Roland "Fucky-facey" Piquepaille article. It would remove much AC discussion and it puts quite clearly what so many others have voiced.
excellent (Score:1)
It's about time (Score:1)
People are starting to think that having RAID is actually the same thing as backing up your data.
Re:It's about time (Score:5, Interesting)
It'd be about time for the tape drives and media to become affordable. Capacity isn't really a problem for normal end-users. What's lacking is drives in the 40-80GB range (DAT anyone?) that don't cost an arm and a leg. Tapes are available in sizes that should even be enough for smaller publishing offices.
If you need to backup >100GB on tape for personal use, you most likely have a serious legal problem or a porn collection that I'd want to see (the collection, not the problem).
Re:It's about time (Score:1)
Yes? I've compressed all my legally bought DVDs and CDs on two 250 GB hard drives. I share the files in my wireless home network so that I can watch/listen to them on my laptop and the computer connected to my AV-system. I'm not at all interested in sharing them outside my home, so I really don't have a legal problem. Nevertheless, I'd really like to back them up at some point so I don't have to rip and X
Re:It's about time (Score:2)
So you're unlikely. The question however is, whether those movies really are vital data that needs to be backed up in case a big rock hits earth. Sure, it is convenient to back your media library up, but it's not really necessary. And there are 160GB S-DLT drives on the market for you to buy, all you need to do is a spl
Re:It's about time (Score:1)
Ok, agreed. I didn't specify the price anywhere in my earlier post...
whether those movies really are vital data that needs to be backed up in case a big rock hits earth
I don't think that's the question. At work, I don't make the distinction between vital data and expendable data because most of the time you can't tell what's vital and what's not before you actually lose the data.
Personally, my
Re:It's about time (Score:1)
Hard drives are less reliable (Score:2)
Tape these days also has error correction, actually generally multiple layers so you can completely wipe out a region of tape and still restore the data that the region held. You need a RAID to do that with disks.
Tell you what, take a tape cartridge and a disk drive holding the same data. Drop both of them on the floor from 5 feet, which one do you thi
Re:It's about time (Score:2)
You can buy a 400 GB (native) LTO-2 drive for well under half of that. Still not in the range of most people though. On eBay, they are available for ~$1800.
LTO2 is 200GB native (Score:2)
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Re:It's about time (Score:2)
I can't begin to imagine what the high-def video people do. Yes you can store a lot of 320x280
Re:It's about time (Score:2)
Not true at all.
I have several hundreds of GBs of data myself.
It would take hours for me to tell you exactly what types of data is taking up what percentage of my storage, but I can give you a general idea.
I started needing 100GB hard drives, because I would archive every program I've downloaded and used. You see, when you need to re-install something, you'd be
Re:It's about time (Score:3, Informative)
Re:It's about time (Score:2, Redundant)
For backups to be archival in nature, it's fundamentally important for them to be off-line when you're not backing up. It's also preferrable to send them off-site, but for the home user, off-line should be the biggest step in incremental value.
Size of reel (Score:3, Insightful)
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Data rates not a problem (Score:4, Informative)
So 80MB/s is more than their disk systems can do anyway, unless you're pulling data from multiple packs.
Re:Data rates not a problem (Score:2)
of course, a large part of the shark is its massively parallel, 35MB/s per disk pack, but possibly 100s of disk packs per system, with 2 dedicated servers making it all transparent.
The replacement for the shark, the ds8000, can have 256GB of memory cache to buffer the disks and has a claimed 200MB/s throughput per port on a 4 port fibre channel ad
I'll wait for a 2nd Gen drive (Score:1)
The only thing worse than a catastrophic data loss would be to find out that your backups are unreadable.
The VXA drives [craystone.com] from Ecrix seemed to go a long way in terms of increasing reliability of "concentional" tape drives, I'll wait for something similar for this new technology.
LK
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0.05 micron tracks (Score:3, Interesting)
Hm, it's really (Score:1)
Yeah, lose 100TB of data in a single backup (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Yeah, lose 100TB of data in a single backup (Score:1)
Re:Yeah, lose 100TB of data in a single backup (Score:1)
Well, they're inventors, so they should (Score:2)
And then I'd just dump all my data onto a few cassettes, and send one set to my relatives 5000 miles away.
100TB is useless if you know the data will "die" in a few years.
Re:Yeah, lose 100TB of data in a single backup (Score:2)
Capacity and reliability are two ENTIRELY seperate issues, and there is no reason to STOP ONE to work on the other.
I've used the analogy before... It's like saying Baskin Robbins (or Dairy Queen) should stop washing their floors, and start making their ice cream better.
Thank God! (Score:2, Funny)
if we have 1 micron now y dont we have 50T byte? (Score:2)
If we have one micron now, and 0.5 micron allows for 100T byte tapes, why don't we have 50T byte now?
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Re:if we have 1 micron now y dont we have 50T byte (Score:4, Informative)
Thus the data density depends on not just the size of the individual particles storing the bits, but also on the possible arrangement of the grid, be it rectangular, biased arrays, hexoganal, etc.
Additionally, most backup systems include redundancy in the written patterns, to protect against degradation due to environmentla exposure. The most common I am familiar with is the storage of a reversible cyclic redundancy check (CRC) in the written blocks. The block size varies from program to program, as does the compression algorithm chosen.
So if we assume a rectangular array of bits, with mild bias, we get a grid #. If each bit on the grid is halved in size, the data density, barring other changes, is quadrupled. Changes to the pattern made possible may increase this further, as well as advances in the heads.
Current heads can only read at a certain speed, so a trade off is made between spool speed and data density, meaning that not 100% of the space on the tape is lines of data, there is alos white space, unused on the tape. If a better head can read a more densly packed datastream, then you could very well make a 250x increase in total capacity.
It's been a long time since I worked with tape drive technology, so this is just an approximate explanation, of course.
"Have you lost your mind??" (Score:1, Funny)
How far we've come... (Score:1)
TB? (Score:1)
Exaggerate much? Prepares 100TB drive? (Score:2)
From TFA: "researchers say they expect to one day build cartridges that can store as much as 100T bytes of data."
One day?
"in order to store more than the 1T byte of data that IBM is planning for its next-generation products"
"he sai
Funny you talk of data explosion... (Score:1, Offtopic)
Re:Funny you talk of data explosion... (Score:1)
The data-transfer non-problem (Score:2)
ROFLMAO!, too much data? (Score:2)
So much collection, so little bandwidth and CPU power to crunch it all.
It's becoming apparent that more data is not nescessarily a "good thing". As the amount of data collected grows, it's becoming harder and harder to reduce that data to something "meaningful".
When I listen to "Pachelbel's Canon" (it IS the holiday season after all!) I don't need to "know" every single frequency delta for every single instrument.
It's the aggregation that's important.
Seems to
Why a capacitry limit on TAPE? (Score:1)
I could back up the internet on some travan sludge if the tape was long enough.
Are we primates or are we Mice?!!
Gimmie a 9 track size with SDLT or whatever is best at the moment and add a few extra crc's to the mix, add some splice handling and glue a friggin CD-R to the
Re:Go Roland, make some money (Score:2)
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Re:what the? (Score:2)
Oh, I think they're headed in the right direction. It is neither fragile nor old technology. It's quite refined and well documented, (just in case).
Tapes are convienent media for backup purposes, even today. Balance cost with reliability... you want predicatble access pattern, simple drive mechanism, lots of magnetic surface area...
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