Ten Years of Web Browsing 270
AnamanFan writes "Today in 1993, a group of students at the University of Illinois released a little program called Mosaic. News.com.com.com has a special four-part series on the anniversary. I for one will celebrate by spending extra time with Mozilla and Camino." Slashdot marked the anniversary a little while ago.
Web browsing? So what! (Score:5, Funny)
The more important question is when did the first porn site start?
Re:Web browsing? So what! (Score:2)
Re:Web browsing? So what! (Score:2)
That afternoon. Knowing college students, it was probably the first thing they created.
Re:Web browsing? So what! (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Web browsing? So what! (Score:2, Interesting)
Um, it's rather well known when SPAM started [google.com].
Re:Web browsing? So what! (Score:2)
Re:Web browsing? So what! (Score:2)
What, so Al Gore invented the term "pr0n" as well?!? Damn that guy is a genius. Why didn't he get elected president? Oh... wait... nevermind...
Re:Web browsing? So what! (Score:5, Funny)
Come back tomorrow, when we'll be celebrating the 10-year anniversary of THAT.
Gopher's cousin protocol: Beaver (Score:5, Funny)
Like the GOPHER protocol, used in text-based information outlines, the BEAVER protocol was the first porn-only protocol available on the world-wide-web. BEAVER://hotladies.com certainly had great promise and wide usership in its early days, but the advent of MOSAIC and all things HTTP soon spelled the end of one of the more outrageous experiments in Internet history. Now it joins the long list of Archie, Veronica, and WAIS as the burned out Stuckey's stand on the information super-highway
Notable features were the massive amount of stripped bits in beaver packets, thrust-technology (the precursor of push-technology), ActiveXXX support, and of course evil bit [slashdot.org] technology which was 10 years (!) ahead of its time.
beaver://slashdot.com -- we never knew ya...
if only they had known... (Score:5, Funny)
what a bloated piece of crap webpages would have become, they might have abandoned the idea...
Re:if only they had known... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:if only they had known... (Score:2)
Ever notice how bloated Slashdot is? FP tags, Ogg tags, Beowulf tags, MSSUX tags... Slashdot could do with a good spring cleanin!
In fact.. (Score:3, Informative)
Re:...Or if they would have known (Score:2, Informative)
Spyglass bought the exclusive commercial license for Mosaic from NCSA. Money and other goods were paid to NCSA for the rights.
Microsoft purchased a non-exclusive license from Spyglass for the technology. Again, money and other goods were exchanged.
So... uh... where is the alleged thievery?
Reminisce (Score:5, Funny)
Oh, how little I knew.
Re:Reminisce (Score:5, Interesting)
Yeah, this web thing is a nice idea, but it'll never go anywhere without any content.
End of the net? (Score:4, Funny)
I recall getting on yahoo, surfing all the interesting links in one night, getting bored and going back to usenet news.
So... what you're saying is you reached the end of the internet?
Re:Reminisce (Score:2)
Everybody now!
We've got a big ole convoy, cross the USA... Convoy...
Re:Reminisce - What you missed (Score:2)
Of course, ten years ago my IRC lag started increasing drastically.. I wonder why...
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Schizophrenia beats being alone.
Re:Reminisce (Score:2)
I had my first job out of college at the time. I was tasked with setting up online access to social science data holdings information for a large university (a specialized card catalog essentially). I was instructed to start by figuring out how to set up a gopher site, and "check out this http thing while you're at it" (i.e. my well informed uber-geek boss had not heard the term World Wide Web). I soon told them to forget about gopher, which took some convincing, but then we went ahead. So I always fee
Re:Reminisce (Score:5, Interesting)
You had the big name commercial sites back then of course (e.g. Microsoft [microsoft.com]), but even sites like Yahoo! [yahoo.com] felt like they were made by a bunch of fanatical semi-professionals, as opposed to some big corporation with big buildings and big salaries [google.com].
People used phrases like "home page", "surf the net" and "send me e-mail", and they all take me back to a time when the Web was more innocent, before every company, shop, charity or celebrity had their own "web-presence". The Web felt less tainted by greed. Now the feeling I get from the Web is a lot more like that I get in a shopping mall, where I'm constantly having to question people's motives and the veracity of information I'm getting. In '96 you knew with 95% certainty that the Michael Jackson fansite you were checking out was put together by a dedicated fan with all the pedantry and attention-to-detail that goes with it, so you tended to trust what you were reading a bit more.
Ok, I'm not saying that the Web was good then, and it's nothing but evil now. I'm not saying that the fantastic, informative, enjoyable, insightful sites are not there - just that they're a bit harder to find. I'm not saying that the Web is no longer a tool for free-speech and free-thinking, because as long as the standards that define the Web remain public, open and [relatively] anonymous we will still have this amazing playground for the groupmind.
Right, I'd better go, my pizza's rapidly cooling.
I've been doing this for 10 years!!!? (Score:5, Funny)
Excuse me, I have to go outside and stretch my legs. A bathroom break would be a nice change of pace too.
Re:I've been doing this for 10 years!!!? (Score:2)
Don't you know that toilets are death traps [news.com.au] after too long in front of the screen?
Re:I've been doing this for 10 years!!!? (Score:2)
I wonder what game it was. I want to play that game!
Oh, wait, it was probably this [jaked.org].
Re:I've been doing this for 10 years!!!? (Score:5, Funny)
What's it like serving aboard the Enterprise?
I celebrated a while ago (Score:2)
Our Pleasure! (Score:4, Funny)
On behalf of the Netscape Development Team, I just want to say, you're welcome!
Happy Hunting!
The Netscape Development Team.
Re:I celebrated a while ago (Score:2)
Huh? (Score:2, Offtopic)
Is Slashdot trying to get an obscene number of duplicates today?
Deliberate Dupe (Score:5, Funny)
Great. They know they are posting dupes and they even brag about it
RedShirt
Re:Deliberate Dupe (Score:2)
Somehow they've managed to stack both the Mozilla and The Internet icons.
Is this the new standard for "We know it's a dupe" or is it just me?
Uhh... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Uhh... (Score:2, Informative)
I remember the day I first got a web browser working properly on my old Sparc box (moon.earthlink.net, incidentally EarthLinks' first DNS server...) I thought to myself: This is going to be huge if it ever gets to PC's.
A few weeks later, someone got NCSA Mosaic working under Windows (forget who it was), and the rest is history...
Re:Uhh... (Score:2)
Re:Uhh... (Score:2)
Re:Uhh... (Score:5, Informative)
W3.org [w3.org]
Re:Uhh... (Score:2, Interesting)
Before we were directly connected to the DDN, one of the guys wrote a telnet tunneler to get through the gatehost. That was a great day. We didn't care what we looked at. It was soooo cool.
We should celebrate (Score:5, Funny)
Pop up ads
ActiveX controls that can have full access to your computer
An e-mail client with HTML support so you can view spam as it was intended
and so on. Go progress!
Re:We should celebrate (Score:4, Funny)
"Based on NCSA Mosaic. NCSA Mosaic(TM); was developed at the National Center for Supercomputing Applications at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign."
Lucky (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Lucky (yeah, sort of...) (Score:2)
When you see Charles Babbage or Alan Turing, tell them I said Hi. :-)
I get your point though, we have more modern founders than any other profession that is so widely recognized. But there will always be someone long dead who paved the way for Computer Science. It all depends on who you consider truly "started" it. On
timeline (Score:5, Informative)
Here's a really cool seminar given at CERN in Feb 1993 on the potential of the web browser.
Re:timeline (Score:2)
Another Timeline (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Another Timeline (Score:2)
Advent of html/http worse thing for online apps (Score:4, Insightful)
Now as a presentation model, the web is great. But as an application infrastructure, we've gone nowhere if not backwards.
Re:Advent of html/http worse thing for online apps (Score:5, Interesting)
No, we haven't, because there really wasn't any infrastructure for on-line applications before the web. Sure there were a handful of standard protocols like ftp and telnet, plus the ability to have remote X sessions, but there wasn't really anything beyond that. At least today it's possible to have an on-line application that has some prayer of working. The web is piss poor compared to what you could do with a really well designed on-line applications protocol, but it's a fair sight better than having to roll your own system any time you want to accomplish anything.
Re:Advent of html/http worse thing for online apps (Score:4, Interesting)
Client-server was most definitely a going concern before Mosaic, as was Sun's RPC and XDR protocols (if I may use such a grandiose word for such simple concepts).
Even today, decent client-server apps are pretty much forced to have their own "custom" state machines/diagrams because otherwise, we'd all be running the same app (and it would be, uh... a web browser!).
(What I mean, specifically, is that a hospital utilization management system would have a very different workflow from a textile mill spare-parts system, for instance, and that workflow/peer dialog state machine would be embodied in the application itself.)
A co-worker tells me that maybe you're referring to the ease w/which apps could be developed post-Mosaic vs. pre-Mosaic, since tools like Visual Dev Studio ++ Wizzy Wizard# were just a gleam in somebody's eye at the time, and anyway, were absolutely not oriented to distributed processing.
If we haven't taken a giant step backwards in developing distributed apps, we've certainly experienced some arrested development.
John.
Re:Advent of html/http worse thing for online apps (Score:3, Insightful)
Mosaic in the context of the time (Score:5, Interesting)
I had actually used the CERN line-mode www interface before Mosaic came out, just to check out the ravings of this pompous Brit I heard about (by the name of Tim Berners-Lee) who was raving that this thing called the World Wide Web was intended to contain the sum of all human knowlege. But Mosaic was a huge leap forward.
However, when Mosaic first came out, a lot of folks in my department were using it as a better interface to Gopher, since in 1993 there was far more interesting stuff available via Gopher than via HTTP. Of course that didn't last long.
Re:Mosaic in the context of the time (Score:2)
Or at least a summary of it.
Biggest problem is that people would rather write about themselves than node anything factual.
Did anyone think that the WWW would become so entertainment oriented?
My first website was a breath of fire 2 info-tastic spectacular (in fugly blue and black colours) so it was kinda both
I remember reading about it in Infoweek... (Score:4, Interesting)
I still remember thinking what's the big deal. Revolution, Shemzolution. This thing will never take off.
You're in good company (Score:5, Funny)
I still remember thinking what's the big deal. Revolution, Shemzolution. This thing will never take off.
Don't feel bad. Bill Gates said the same thing and according to Peter Jennings (and any other talking head that gets a chance to interview him), Gates is one of the smartest men in the world. I mean, he's got all that money, right? Surely he deserves it all for his visionary thinking. If a super-genius could make a mistake, then you shouldn't be so hard on yourself for making the same mistake.
I remember hearing one interviewer on a radio talk show ask Gates: "Mr Gates, everyone is wondering: how did you write the Internet?" and good ol' Billy didn't bother to correct the man but gave some vague answer about how the Internet would make information available to everyone (provided they purchase a valid copy of Windows, of course).
GMD
Re:You're in good company (Score:4, Insightful)
Gates has always said that (paraphrased) Microsoft makes mistakes all the time, and that just one particularly bad misstep could doom Microsoft's prospects. The key to survival is to outlive the mistakes, to make fewer mistakes than the competition, and to keep tons of money in the bank instead paying them out in dividends, but these things can't always be done. This is why his company has tried to lowbal investor expectations every quarter, and exceed those expectations every quarter.
Ironic (Score:2)
Re:Ironic (Score:2)
I think one of the more remarkable things about the WWW was that it came out of CERN and NCSA.
Those institutions were publicly funded to do work on physics and generic supercomputing.
Note that WWW and Mosaic were only peripherally related to the core missions of CERN and NCSA.
In a privately funded enterprise, these projects might well have been killed off because they would have been deemed too peripheral, not manifestly contributing to next quarter's EPS.
So these great inventions, WWW and the browser,
Back in my day... (Score:2)
I really miss gopher... (Score:2, Funny)
Nostalgia (Score:2)
1) Sun
2) HP
3) MS? IBM?
4-1000) Porn
Great invention, the web...
--trb
Whoa.. 10 years! (Score:2, Funny)
Browser competition (Score:5, Interesting)
The speed of information (Score:5, Interesting)
It took me forever to finally get on (a Prodigy account) and then that was text. I used that to get info for my first Linux install and finally after switching to Netcom and getting X working, I was surfing the web with Netscape. What a pain.
I had no idea how to do this stuff and finding the info was extremely painful. It was like a bunch of secrets that took forever to find. The only person I talked to at the time that knew about Mosaic or anything was some random clerk in an OfficeDepot.
Today, we know the instant anything is released, we get the inner workings of expert groups. I know I take all this stuff for granted today, but it is still completely amazing how things have changed.
Re:The speed of information (Score:2)
You mean like ICANN?
Remember Trumpet TCP/IP? (Score:2, Funny)
Re:The speed of information (Score:4, Insightful)
I was just thinking the other day where would we be without the net. Right now I have access to answers to almost any questions on google, which is always available when I'm at work or home or over at a friend's house. Everyone I know has an email address or IM or some account somewhere on the net.
Soon I will use the net for all communications, including audio, video and text. It has become as essential to everyone's every day lives as the telephone or TV. Which is very similar to AOLTW's and most corporation's mission statement, replacing internet with the company name of your choice.
But no matter how much has been changed because of the net we can never forget that those changes happened because of open communication, open protocols, free intellectual property, free access, and the hard work of many many extremely skilled engineers. I don't think the internet could be rebuilt today in the US under our current administration or their preference for security over freedom.
The internet is based entirely on freedom and could not exist without everyone agreeing to maintain that freedom. The freedom to send a packet around the world for $0.00. The freedom to say what you want without fear of prosecution, etc. Those freedoms might not exist forever. And then what will become of the internet as we know it or as it could be used tomorrow?
American Capitalist Perspective: The net was only useful for commercialism. But then all those dotcoms crashed. So does that mean the net is worthless?
MPAA/RIAA Rep: No, the net is a tool for terrorists and pirates to steal your IP and must be monitorred, enforced and secured. It is a dangerous place.
Tech: The net can be used for voting and education and automation and software development and music and video and games and... if we just got rid of money we have the technology to make it all work for us, instead of the other way around.. Hello.. anybody listening?
The web is great and all, but... (Score:5, Insightful)
There are certain things the web can do well application wise. Like an online calendar, or email application (yahoo/hotmail). However, things like office applications should not use web-based technologies. It's always slow and clunky. I mean, sure you can do drag-and-drop with dhtml, but it's inconsistant and slow. I'd much rather deal with a java applet, or ActiveX, so as to have a true GUI instead of a GUI-emulator.
Am I totally off base here, or does anyone else agree?
Re:The web is great and all, but... (Score:3, Informative)
Am I totally off base here, or does anyone else agree?
Flash.
Re:The web is great and all, but... (Score:4, Interesting)
This is a bigger problem in Intranets where the chosen browser is IE, and we do not even bother to test against anything else because of a install base of IE on 99.9% of our desktops....Or take the extra time to make it work on both.
Remembering the browser wars (Score:2, Interesting)
http://software.ericsink.com/Browser_Wars.html [ericsink.com]
Wow, 10 years.. (Score:2)
My first project was to put the technical reports collection online for the department. Most of them were in DVI format and needed to be converted to
I'll see your news.com.com.com ... (Score:2, Funny)
If Mosaic was released 10 years ago... (Score:5, Interesting)
Because (Score:2, Insightful)
No - they are not HR droids, managers or agency clones. All of those may contain people who wear suits while they work. I am talking about people who wear suits as the major part of their jobs.
Consider a conversation...
What do you do?
a. I'm an accountant. What about you?
b. I'm a programmer. And you?
c. I wear a suit.
These are the people that are currently requiring 5 years experience with XP for Tier 2 support jobs....
Com
in related news.. (Score:5, Funny)
Collage - Mosaic had a companion (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Collage - Mosaic had a companion (Score:3, Informative)
Silly Campus Tech dept. (Score:3, Interesting)
Fine, he was rather right - there wasn't going to be much to do with Mosaic and I *did* get most things from usenet. But I would just love to go back and ask him today if he still considers web browsers a 'flash-in-the-pan'.
-Mark
I remember what got me on the Web, but not when (Score:2)
I was reading Wired, and they had a big spread on Mosaic, including screenshots of the browser in action. When I saw it, I immediately installed Mosaic and hunted down every Web site I could. I wish I could remember what issue of Wired featured a multi-page layout of Mosaic screenshots and text. Does anyone else know? I'd guess it was from the 2.xx series, maybe 3.xx.
WorldWideWeb written in Obj-C on NeXT? (Score:2)
It would be neat to see what it would do with today's web pages. Anyone have source?
Re:WorldWideWeb written in Obj-C on NeXT? (Score:2, Informative)
WorldWideWeb homepage [w3.org]
original WorldWideWeb docu [w3.org]
WorldWideWeb source code [w3.org]
More Important Than Mosiac.... (Score:2)
Most antique system used for browsing the web? (Score:3, Interesting)
What now? (Score:2)
If so, what is it?
Not the first and Not the Best either (Score:3, Informative)
Web Turns 10 - But Was Mosaic Really First and Best Browser? No, No.
By Paul Jones, Special To LTW
Editor's note: April 22, 1993, is widely regarded as the day on which a number of people, including Marc Andreessen, who went on to help found Netscape, produced Mosaic - the ground-breaking Web browser. But was it really the first? To mark the 10th anniversary, Local Tech Wire asked one of the pioneers in Internet development - Paul Jones - to talk about the rise of the browser and how the technology transformed the Internet. Jones, who is director of ibiblio.org, a project that includes the Site Formerly Known as MetaLab and SunSITE, The Public's Library, has some very interesting observations.
CHAPEL HILL - I don't mean to spoil the party, but the geek in me is forcing me to tell the cold unsociable truth - Mosaic, the browser that taught us the World Wide Web, is neither the first web browser nor is it the best. To make matters even more, well uncomfortable, I believe that Mosaic was a serious step in the wrong direction.
The web seems wild and wide open now, but yes it was once designed to be more so. Believe it or not - the Web was designed for connectivity for all users, not just for publishers or information providers and it allowed the person browsing to create pages and links quickly and easily. The first web browser was about sociability and the interchange of ideas, not just delivery of linked pages.
The real "Tucker" of Web browsers was the browser developed at CERN -where the web itself was developed - for the NeXT computer. The CERN
Browser allowed not only web page browsing, but also WYSIWYG page creation and the ability to create links by simply highlighting text on a browsed page and linking that text to a page under construction by an easy click.
The Hypermedia Browser also called Nexus and for a while called
WorldWideWeb was written by none other than Tim Berners-Lee in 1990 and released in Christmas of that year. The focus of Tim's Browser was collaboration and mutual linking as reflected by the ease with which pages could be produced and links made between pages.
I created my own first web page with only a few seconds instruction from Tim and a look at his demo age (a copy of which can be found at www.ibiblio.org/pjones/old.page.html ).
For Tim's own description of the first Browser as well as screen shots of the browser in action see www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/WorldWideWeb.html
More participation
Notice that the Web in Tim's vision, as seen in his browser, was to be about active participation and creation of shared linked pages.
Mosaic did have its moment of promoting collaboration. In Mosaic 1.2, the Group Annotations feature allowed readers of pages to add notes to those pages. This innovation was a precursor to the message boards, discussion groups and blogs of today. The nice thing about Group Annotations was the ease in which you could make notes for other group members. Even better Annotations in Mosaic supported both text and audio comments.
Although Annotations would eventually collapse due to their /Mosaic/Docs/group-annotations.html for NCSA's description of Annotations and their brief tale of their depreciation.)
over-popularity (and unscalable protocol design), the feature did manage to keep part of the dream of a sociable Web alive. But with the release of Mosaic 2.0 in September 1993, the folks at NCSA's System development Group decided to kill Group Annotations "initially" which turned out to be forever. (See
target="_blank">archive.ncsa.uiuc.edu/SDG/So ftware
'A nice piece of work ...'
The Mosaic that finally appeared in September 1993 was a nice piece of work. Mostly
Back when... (Score:2)
Thousands of games were played each day with people coming in from nasa.gov, ibm.com, and many other very interesting places. Even better the computer AI that I had written (a very basic 1.5 step look ahead AI) was capable of winning 50% or so of the games.
Then I remember the day that AOL got a web browser. Shortly thereafter my Connect Four
evolution of a shell script (Score:5, Funny)
#!/bin/bash
# killall -9 mosaic-bin
# killall -9 netscape-bin
# killall -9 mozilla-bin
# killall -9 phoenix-bin
killall -9 thunderbird-bin
The web will never replace Gopher (Score:2)
Great Milestones in Web Surfing (Score:2, Funny)
April 23, 1994: Irwin Spelnik attempts to read a Hello World page and receives the first 404 page not found.
May 10, 1994: Charlie Northrup gives up on his dream to become a buddhist monk after a 4x4 spashes mud on him while he played a tamborine on a street corner, he decides to get even and files for web service patents.
June 7, 1995: Wanda Furdman, attempting to entice her boyfriend, Jimmy Pimpleton, into proposing, places a nude picture
My memories of early Mosaic and the Web (Score:5, Interesting)
I was a student at UIUC at the time when Mosaic was developed, and I remember using it in the Sun and HP EWS labs. (Mosaic was installed and maintaned by students, in the lab-wide /scratch directory, for a while). I started using it right before the invention of the "IMG" tag. When it came along, that was a big deal. The NCSA "What's New on the web" page was updated with a few new web pages each day. And that was almost a comprehensive list!
In any case, the bigger deal for me was when the EWS lab manager (Ed Kubaitis, I think) installed httpd and students were allowed to created their own web pages and serve them worldwide via www.ews.uiuc.edu/~username/ urls. I realized that EVERYONE could be a content provider, not just a select few (as was the gopher model), and this was going to be unstoppable. I even HTML-ized the existing PovRay faq, put it on my student account, sent mail out to the PovRay mailing list, and had hits within a few minutes. That was a rush, too.
To encourage people to provide content (and get linked) I created the "UIUC People" page, which started as a list to every student homepage I knew about at UIUC. It had four entries. That quickly changed, as you can imagine.
I don't know who decided to add the "~username" syntax to httpd, allowing mere users to add content to the global web (was it a part of CERN, or did McCool add that to NCSA?) but I'm convinced that was a key factor in getting the early web going. It's certainly what got me interested.
Re:Really? (Score:5, Funny)
No kidding, I just saw a blink tag yesterday...
Re:Really? (Score:2)
Re:Really? (Score:2, Funny)
No kidding, I just saw a blink tag yesterday...
Did it say "coming soon"?
Re:Really? (Score:2)
Re: Really? (Score:2)
Shrek: "Really Really, Donkey."
You all forgot SLAC. (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Where was my post? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Isn't lynx older? (Score:3, Informative)
Lynx is not 'older'
But Gopher did predate the WWW, and provided a text-centric view into the vast emptyness that was the internet.
Re:Isn't lynx older? (Score:2)
Moderators have to be on crack. Everybody knows Mosaic was the first HTTP-HTML browser.
Wouldn't slashdot be great if people didn't pull things off their ass so often?? Oh well
Mod parent down (Score:4, Informative)
Mosaic could browse the web before Lynx could. The existing program Lynx was WWW-enabled after Mosaic was released. Just because it's text-only doesn't mean that it's older!!
Re:Make Mosaic Open Source! (Score:2)