Palm OS Powered Tattooing Robot Debuts in Vienna 171
Makarand writes "Ananova has an article on the world's first tattooing robot.
An Austrian electrician, after being left with some permanent reminders
of his tattooing robot project, has unveiled his creation at a hi-tech
fair in Vienna.
He said that he had to test it on himself to get the robot do the right
thing and has not recieved any complaints from volunteers who got a tattoo
for free at the trade fair."
What's next? (Score:1, Funny)
Re:What's next? (Score:2)
Re:What's next? (Score:1)
Brave New World =)
Re:What's next? (Score:2)
Who didn't predict that robots would eventually take over art as well as everything else? Next thing you know there'll be street robots doing oil paintings for cash.
Or rather, doing oil paintings for oil.
Huh? (Score:2, Funny)
An Artist? (Score:1)
Re:An Artist? (Score:2)
Robotic tattoos could be much better actually... (Score:3, Funny)
Now the merits of this idea, since this thing is a robot you will never have to worry about it getting drunk and fscking up your tattoo. It is capable of working very quickly, think about getting a tattoo that would normally take hours to do in only a few minutes (This would be ideal for those who don't care for pain as much as some people seem to)
The tattoo will not just be a duplicate copy as you could write the software to randomly modify a few small factors such as particular color shades and small design elements to continue to have the one of a kind feel to the tattoo. I would most likely choose to use this with adobe Photoshop.
Ok, how would this be done? I have a few ideas as to the particulars. This guy has already created an interface between the robotic mechanism and the command unit (palm in this case) so changing out the command interface shouldn't really be a big deal, I would hook up something like a 1.8 Ghz desktop to this thing (if portability was a concern use a laptop). For the software end of things I would choose to use Adobe Photoshop as that way only four passes would be necessary to render a full color tattoo (CYMK) using Photoshop to separate the color channels.
And now for Johnny Carson's top ten reasons to have a robot do your tattoo...
1. It won't try to steal money from your wallet when you pass out from the pain.
2. It doesn't smell like camel cigarettes and cheap whiskey.
3. You won't have to listen to it tell really bad stories.
4. Yeah the equipment was sterilized, but when was the last time the artist was bathed?
5. The robot will never puke on you in the middle of a tattoo.
6. You can be sure the robot isn't going to try to get you drunk and take you home for a wild night of tattoos, sex, and odd things done with barnyard animals.
7. Who wants a tattoo to take four hours, this baby can do them in four minutes.
8. No bad breath in your face.
9. I'm pretty sure the robot doesn't do cocaine...
10. The robot will not be giving your girlfriend lewd looks while working on your tattoo and making fun of you when you scream, and telling you your a pansy ass bitch, and asking her why she would stay with a bitch, and it won't ask her if she wants a real robot, and
heh, I guess this does have some advantages... If only it was a bit more advanced (although not "bender" advanced)
Re:Robotic tattoos could be much better actually.. (Score:2)
One thing to consider is that because almost all tattooists learn through apprenticeships (which are expensive, time-consuming, often humiliating, and in very high demand), there is a built-in quality control mechanism which weeds out the vast majority of the sleaze that people seem to think constitute the tattooist population.
A PalmOS powered tatooing robot? (Score:5, Funny)
my first tattoo (Score:1)
Tattoo looks really really bad (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Tattoo looks really really bad (Score:2)
Re:Tattoo looks really really bad (Score:2)
I'm reminded of joking with my friend while sitting in a tattoo parlour while his girlfriend was getting more work done on her tattoo.
We joked about subjecting our selves as ginuea pigs for him to practice on, he's a really good artist so I'm sure it wouldn't be that bad. I mentioned getting "Doc's Dootle Pads" written down our fore arms in that styling you see in a lot of hispanic tattoo's
--
If I knew this thing was efficiant and good, I *might* trust it to tattoo me, though not without seeing it in action first.
Re:Tattoo looks really really bad (Score:2)
I can't understand why it's necessary to practice on people, either for traditional "manual" tatooing or this robotic-style tatooing. Why not use a pork shoulder from the grocery butcher case, instead?
Re:Tattoo looks really really bad (Score:2)
Also, being able to work around human dimentions is something that needs practice. If you want to tattoo the underside of a pork shouler, you just turn it around. Humans aren't that flexible.
Also, it's something psychological. A tattoo artist should be able to put their canvasses at ease, because he/she's subjecting them to a lot of pain (relatively speaking).
Pork shoulders have no emotions, humans do. That's why tattoo artists must train on humans. Also, humans are more capable of kicking the artist's ass if he/she fucks up.
Re:Tattoo looks really really bad (Score:2)
>artist's ass if he/she fucks up.
Mind you, it's considered bad form to eat the arm after a bad tattoo (which cannot be said for the pork shoulder, yum!)
Re:Tattoo looks really really bad (Score:1)
And who exactly would trust a machine which was made by a bloke who tested his prototype on his OWN arm, the man is clearly an insane idiot.
Actually... (Score:2)
Re:Actually... (Score:2)
Umm, yes, it did: "Freddy's computerised brain has a complicated programme for creating the designs"
I have a tatoo in binary! (Score:2, Interesting)
it's got potential (Score:2)
Freddy's computerised brain has a complicated programme for creating the designs that are constantly being improved and redesigned
what would be really cool would be if the thing could run off of a more complex image, multiple needles and colors. Then you'd actually have something worthwhile...,you could do your designs on a PC, take your time, get it right, and then download it to the palm!
BTW, my next tattoo is going to be color, not greyscale.
Hrmm (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Hrmm (Score:2, Funny)
No, but he does have Ogg/Vorbis [slashdot.org] support
Re:Hrmm (Score:2)
Re:Hrmm (Score:2)
Personally, I like tatoos, i like the way they look, i like them on other people, and I like them on me. So why shouldn't I get some? And to assume that for some miraculous reason that's going to change when I reach XX years of age (but of course you being so mature you already know everything you'll need) is fairly arrogant, don't you think?
Now in development: Leg pulling robot! (Score:5, Funny)
I mean, a guy with the genius(?) to come up with a robot like this, doesn't have brains enough to do the development and testing on a leg of lamb first??
"I haven't had any complaints yet." said Mr Passath.
Yes, thats because all your customers are lying on the floor with severed arteries.
"Note to self: Must write limb-diameter-compensation algorhythm....."
Re:Now in development: Leg pulling robot! (Score:2, Informative)
Of course he could have taken some leather spanned on wood to do initial testings.
Ummm.. I believe he meant a leg of lamb from a butcher. Maybe he coulda done it to a turkey? You could have some interesting graffiti on it for Thanksgiving.
the tattoo (Score:5, Funny)
First write in your design...ok
(I draw a dragon or something and then press whatever button)
now tattooing....done
Look at tattoo and see that it says,
"1) pick up kids
2) pay bills
3) apt. with proctologist"
oh, no!
Re:the tattoo (Score:2, Funny)
1) pay bills
2) things at grocery
3) goto AA meeting
etc...
and only have to remember the order that you have to do it on that day.
"Lets see number 1,3,and five, and I did 6 yesterday."
And if you forgot what arm your list was on, you could put on a tattoo on the other arm saying,
"Look at other arm."
Re:the tattoo (Score:2)
Re:the tattoo (Score:1)
Re:the Postscript Dump (Score:5, Funny)
Or you get a bunch of gibberish
that quickly covers you entire body.
You realize that you forgot to install the Postscript module.
Good thing it's not a newton (Score:2)
Kearny: "Jimbo, take a note on your Newton: Beat Up Martin!"
(Jimbo writes the note on his Newton and reads it back)
Jimbo: "Eat Up Martha? Bah!"
(Jimbo throws Newton away)
Re:the tattoo (Score:1)
i stand corrected (Score:5, Funny)
i stand corrected. this is a REAL painful software project. what kind of version tracking does it employ? does it write something like version 0.82 in the corner of each tattoo with each build?
so does then does this guy have like 82 different beta tests on his arms/ elsewhere? what exactly does a buffer overflow/ divide by zero crash in tattoo form FEEL like? insert your own joke here.
nevermind, i don't want to know.
Re:i stand corrected (Score:1)
Error code list (Score:4, Funny)
ERR01 - "EAGLE? I thought you said BEAGLE."
ERR02 - "We're all out of red, so I used pink."
ERR03 - "There are 2 O's in Bob, right?"
ERR04 - "Sorry, sir, your chest will only hold the bottle dinghy."
ERR05 - "SEGFAULT"
ERR06 - "Anything else you want to say? You've got plenty of room back here."
ERR07 - "I'll bet you can't tell I've never done this before."
ERR08 - "The flag's all done and, you know, the folds of fat make a nice waving effect."
Disclaimer - adapted from this source [sonic.net]
------
treen_81 is now online [wallpaperscoverings.com]
Even worse... (Score:2)
I hax0r3d your tat00 mAc|-|in3!!!
Talk about a lingering reminder of a break-in.
A perfect circle, can it be done? (Score:2, Insightful)
some serious tattooing. But the real win would be full colour
tattoos. I have to wonder about precision though (just look at
the picture, the Palm screen differs form the tattoo on the arm)
I do not see any form of feedback. Since the skin has moving
muscles underneath it, I think feedback is necessary to keep a
tattoo consistent. Just imagine tattooing a big circle, start at
the top and go clockwise. Will there be a (perfect) circle or
will it be a C line shape or spiral? I would not give my right
arm for it to be a perfect circle... Would you?
Tattoos are artwork (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Tattoos are artwork (Score:2)
My first tattoo was a barcode (my SSN as a UPC) that I made myself using barcode software, and had tattooed by hand.
The second was Kain's clan symbol from the Legacy of Kain [legacyofkain.com] games, which was originally designed by a human artist, but given to me by the director of the series as an EPS file, which was then tattooed by hand.
Error! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Error! (Score:2)
Use soaked leather, not your arm! (Score:2, Insightful)
You have to wonder, Mr Passath is clever enough to design a tattooing robot, but why is he not clever enough to test it with a pen, transparent ink, or on soaked leather? I am not a tattoo specialist but this would work too, would it not?
Re:Use soaked leather, not your arm! (Score:2)
Gee, and the tattoos are FREE? (Score:3, Insightful)
Who the heck volunteers for these things? No matter how confident you are in a complete stranger covered with screwed-up tattoos in a booth, do you know tattoos are murder to get rid of? I guess the risk looks pretty small compared to a robotic vasectomy or X-piercing machine, powered by an OS popularly associated with corrupted address books.
And while you're here, we need some volunteers to test the experimental anthrax vaccine... No, it's OK, 3 out of 4 sheep live to say it's da bomb.
Ananova (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Ananova (Score:1)
A Toy? (Score:2)
Re:A Toy? (Score:2)
Accessory (Score:2, Funny)
This is really something I would need on the road.
This story *must* be 4 months early. (Score:2)
So this poor man... (Score:5, Funny)
See Mine!! (Score:2)
Read about and see the pix of my painful meeting with the machine here [slinkycity.com].
(Yes, I am Jamaican, mon.)
Robot (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Robot (Score:2)
Re:Robot (Score:1)
Right, yeah, I remember that.
It was when the infantry were getting "Death from Above" tattooed on themselves. Now, ICBW, but when infantry is involved in a DFA, aren't they usually the recipients?
Then again, it could have just been foreshadowing...
Re:Robot (Score:2)
"Mom From Above"
"Lucy From Above"
"[picture of a mermaid] from above"
etc
: )
Cool until it reboots.. (Score:2, Funny)
And tatoos the Palm logo on your butt...
I've got 19 'Tats (Score:5, Interesting)
I mean its a cool piece of work (I'm an AIBO owner [you-suck.com] and love stuff like this) but in the end Tattooing is more art than science, and I'm not sure the Robot can sub for the Artist, except in a purely mechanical way.
Where the Robot might be useful is covering in large areas of skin with single colours (back, stomach, etc), but I don't see much capability here for detail work. And its not clear to me how the Robot handles blood - a human artist will wipe it away, restablish boundaries (i.e., check progress against finished design) and continue tattooing. If the Robot doesn't do this you're gonna be one bloody camper - litterally dripping! - by the time its over.
Its not clear to me how the Robot determines depth. By this I mean how deep the needle is penetrating. If your Artist (human or Robot) doens't go deep enough, your growing skin will just push the design out as new cells form under the ink. Driving the needle too deep is another set of problems - potentially severe - as well.
How will the Robot handle different skin? Everyones skin is different and absorbs ink differently. This is really a judgement call on the artists part - different coloured ink looks different on different peoples skin. You just can't use a bottle of RED and assume it will look the same on any two people because it won't. A good artist will adapt to this problem, both in real time (i.e., while the work is being done) and before the work begins.
Also, don't forget that more complex 'Tats typically take multiple sessions, so you'll have a calibration problem next time you visit (i.e., aligning the machine and the existing 'Tat).
Its not uncommon for some back pieces to take months if not years, involving dozens of sessions so these registration problems are potentially major.
Re:I've got 19 'Tats (Score:1)
I would think that there would be ways to compensate for this... scanning the tat area to get reference points on where to put the pen down.
I doubt that idiot who will now permanently look like he has been doodling on his arm will be capable of coding that.
Real uses for this (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Real uses for this (Score:1)
The only advantage to this is that if some student forgets their password for the network, all that has to be done is look at the card and enter in the number. At least this year the armed guards are gone (but the security cameras all over the place still give me the creeps) from my ordinary public high school (note: this school is in a Canadian suburb (but not a Torontonian one)).
Re:Real uses for this (Score:1)
Re:Real uses for this (Score:2)
And maybe someday people will get this. Of course, at first it will be a convenience, like the first credit cards, and become more and more inconvenient not to have...
Re:Real uses for this (Score:2)
It seems to me the current system of hi-vis ear tags is MUCH faster and more efficient than a tattoo, which you couldn't see anyway because cows have FUR. How are you going to get the cow to sit still through a tattoo session anyway? Drug her? Let's see how PETA likes THAT. I'm afraid the livestock application of this is just not feasible at all. Humans only.
Re:I've got 19 'Tats (Score:2)
It really is possible to solve all of these problems with additional hardware and software but obviously it's not being done here. It's possible to get pressure sensors of varying sensitivities so handling depth is not all that difficult. You can do a calibration of just a couple of marks in an area which will be filled in to determine how the skin takes the ink. A camera and some hip custom image recognition software can be used to determine how well all of this is coming out.
As for what color looks like what on who, I'd personally set the machine up to mix its own inks, or pick another color where that is not possible, I'm not up on tattoo ink. Then I'd have a cleaning position where it would change colors, similar to an inkjet printer.
The only thing I haven't figured out is blood. I imagine in the future you would have some kind of transparent coating on the skin that would mostly solve the problem for you.
In the end this will probably end up being best done by a machine which mimics the human arm in important details to get a similar level of freedom, and a more complex sensor package at the end of the arm. A palm pilot won't have enough processing power to handle the details so one will need something more closely akin to an actual PC. A high-end one.
Re:I've got 19 'Tats (Score:1)
Another thing about tatt's is that the artist can't erase. This could allow talented artists to produce much better looking work in a program( simular to photoshop ) then have the robot copy it EXACTLY on to the skin. More so software could be made to replicate a model of the subjects skin, virtual skin per se, and it could be included in the initial design.
Heres the problem, (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Heres the problem, (Score:3, Insightful)
In short, this story is either pure fiction, stretched from truth until it was barely recognizable or just outright bollocks. I'm sure you could find volunteers to get tattoos from a machine if they could pick it, but who is gonna wander by a booth at some show and say, gee, it seems like a great idea to get a randomly generated crooked-ass-R shape tattooed onto my arm permanently. Might as well let a meat grinder make a random design on your hand.
Permanent? (Score:1)
Ech Nyh!
What if it were a Pocket PC and not a Palm? (Score:1)
Re:What if it were a Pocket PC and not a Palm? (Score:2)
The Harrow... (Score:5, Informative)
'...appears to do its work with uniform regularity. As it quivers, its points pierce the skin of the body which is itself quivering from the vibration of the Bed. So that the actual progress of the sentence can be watched, the Harrow is made of glass. Getting the needles fixed in the glass was a technical problem, but after many experiments we overcame the difficulty. No trouble was too great for us to take, you see. And now anyone can look through the glass and watch the inscription taking form on the body. Wouldn't you care to come a little nearer and have a look at the needles?'
The explorer got up slowly, walked across, and bent over the Harrow. 'You see,' said the officer, 'there are two kinds of needles arranged in multiple patterns. Each long needle has a short one beside it. The long needle does the writing, and the short needle sprays a jet of water to wash away the blood and keep the inscription clear. Blood and water together are then conducted here through small runnels into this main runnel and down a waste pipe into the pit.'
(excerpted from In The Penal Colony, Franz Kafka, 1919)Great... (Score:1, Troll)
Not flexible enough (Score:1, Troll)
The system is only capable of tattooing arms, what about people who wish to have a big dragon tattooed on their chest? Or a large skull on their back?? What about MOM with an anchor on their ass???
checking the source, we see that: (Score:1)
draw pick [ snake eating rat [ "born to fight dinosaurs till jesus comes back or I die" ][ puppies ][ motorcycle with flames shaped like satan ]
if
end
(nods to Steve Purcell [amazon.com])
The Windows Release? (Score:3, Funny)
when I think of tatoo (Score:2)
And the first time this thing gets hacked... (Score:2)
-S
The fine print (Score:1)
2 years too late.. (Score:3, Interesting)
the I/O power button right over your heart..
chmod +x
"tattoo" in binary..
WTF?
STFU
the LNX or MP3 oval sticker
foo on one arm and bar on the other (or knuckles like jake & elwood)..
Grrrr (Score:2, Interesting)
Can I sue for prior art or somesuch?
Biggest Tattoo (Score:1)
This could be done better (Score:1)
I'm sure you are all familliar with monogram setups. A simple desktop computer with some software can run a device used to monogram full multicolor designs on shirts and hats. Import an image, hit a couple of buttons and you have your business logo on your shirt. Why can't something like this be applied to tatooing? Using multiple needles (one for each color) and a scanner, the customer could get whatever design they want. If they didn't like the library of images on the computer, just scan in your custom picture.
Sure there would be some nuances to work out, but if this guy can get a Palm to do it....
woo! (Score:1)
Kafkesque (Score:1)
What a convenient tool for bar coding or worse. Low tech ID cards for prisons? police states?
Re:Kafkesque (Score:1)
Kafka's The Penal Colony [njit.edu]
Disturbing... (Score:2, Funny)
(leaves rest to reader's imagination)
Ummm..... Palm? (Score:1)
wrong category (Score:1)
here is a (Score:1)
Kafka? (Score:1)
as a tattoo collector (Score:2, Interesting)
I wouldn't get a tattoo by a robot. I'm a total technofetishist, but I would miss the human interaction. I pick certain artists for their style of doing things. Someone really has to be into the style of the tattoo for me to get the work done. No machine can duplicate that.
Now, for the police state implications, hell, they could have already invented it, but I think that's going to far, and even the people who accept ( largely through ignorance ) the post-911 shenanigans of the government agencies and police would balk at this. It's too sinister. If they could pull it off, they undoubtedly would have done so already.
Just my $0.02.
Re:as a tattoo collector (Score:2)
Imagine working for hours in photoshop at the required resolution designing your own tattoo, emailing it to the robot, making an apointment, and seeing your creation reproduced exactly on your skin.
Thank God it's not WinCE based. (Score:2)
Kafka-esque (Score:2)
Tattoo (Score:2)
Or "the pain boss!!, the pain"
RIP Herve
Re:Some one should listen. (Score:1, Troll)