What Does The Internet Look Like? 124
scubacuda writes "What does the Internet have to do with the network of sexual partners? More than you think, according to this Economist article on Albert-Laslo Barabasi's attempt to 'present a general framework for improving the accuracy of Internet models' by treating the net 'as though it were a natural phenomenom.' Dr. Barabasi's findings that the Internet is 'scale free' has a lot of interesting implications: resistance to human failures, as well as vulnerability to malicious attacks. Dr. Barabasi's goal is to create models that are 'statistically indistinguishable from the real Internet. When and if that is achieved, the models should have predictive, as well as descriptive, power.' (BBC and News Factor had stories on his work earlier)"
Uh huh (Score:4, Funny)
Uh huh.. I think we all know just what kind of 'Internet models' he's referring to! *wink wink* *nudge nudge*
I wonder which site, err section of the net, was his favorite?
bad research (Score:5, Funny)
This person calls himself a scientist. It's not luck. He obviously overlooks the power of a good pick-up line
Re:bad research (Score:1)
indeed (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:indeed (Score:2)
-schussat
scale-free? (Score:3, Funny)
Bathroom scales? (Score:1, Offtopic)
I suppose it's a trend. Sex=possible weight-loss,muscle gain=better looking partner=more sex
So people with a lot of sexual output probably will be happily surprised when next stepping on the ol' bathroom scale.
Next time you want to pick somebody up, just tell them:
Do you know that strong sexual activity is a great way to get in shape? How about you and I do some workouts together - phorm
Re:Bathroom scales? (Score:1)
Most people don't have nearly enough sex to be able to burn any signifigant amount of calories from it. Vigorous sexual activity burns around 6 to 7 calories per minute [uchicago.edu], but most people aren't doing pelvic thrusts continuously for a half hour to an hour.
And if you are, regularly... dude, don't you have a problem with chafing?
Re:bad research (Score:1)
www.fastseduction.com (Score:2)
Steve
Re:bad research (Score:3, Funny)
-B
Topology of the internet (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Topology of the internet (Score:2, Funny)
Get it right dude.
Re:network of sexual partners? (Score:2, Funny)
2. Start company.
3. ??????
4. Profit!
5. Network of sexual partners!!!!!!!
Consider this: (Score:1, Funny)
If the internet had anything to do with the sexual partners of the slashdot crowd it wouldn't be much of a network, just a collection of standalone PCs.
Re:Consider this: (Score:1, Funny)
Re:Consider this: (Score:1)
Re:Consider this: (Score:1)
Better links ... (Score:5, Informative)
nd.edu/~alb/
The specific article is here:
nd.edu/~networks/PDF/NatureImmunol%202002.pdf
Hopefully Notre Dame can handle the traffic.
-- jetlag --
Huh? (Score:2, Funny)
Sexual Partners? On Slashdot? (Score:5, Funny)
And I thought it was because I was ugly....
Jouster
Re:Sexual Partners? On Slashdot? (Score:1)
You really need to get out more.
--T
Re:Sexual Partners? On Slashdot? (Score:1)
Slashdot is definitely not like sex.
Re:Sexual Partners? On Slashdot? (Score:1)
Re:Sexual Partners? On Slashdot? (Score:1)
Geeks use the internet a lot, which is like sex
Therefore Geeks are SEX gods, and attractive to every woman
well, it looks like this: (Score:5, Funny)
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["The Internet"]
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[porn]
See? It's simple. Why the need to do this? The people that get it, get it. Those that don't, probably don't need to, and you sure don't want to try to explain it to them.
Re:well, it looks like this: (Score:2)
Here it is simplified:
[PC] -> [porn]
It's a direct connection for most of us.
Re:well, it looks like this: (Score:2)
> Here it is simplified:
> [PC] -> [porn]
Evolution tends simplify things until they cannot be simplified: { [porn] }
Re:well, it looks like this: (Score:1)
Don't you mean [porn] -> [PC], or do you work on the production side?
Also, I think that either way would be an indirect connection and that the rate of indirect connection would be inversely proportional to the rate of direct connection.
Good cover (Score:1)
Mud? (Score:1)
Looks like... (Score:1)
Re:Looks like... (Score:1)
2 Books about networks (Score:3, Informative)
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/038
Next, "Network models in population biology" talks about how networks form in nature.
http://www.chapters.indigo.ca/item.asp?Catalog=Bo
It's interesting to read the above articles keeping these books in mind because of the clear picture we can gain from nature.
So this means that . . . (Score:5, Funny)
The secret is out (Score:1)
-dk
Re:The secret is out (Score:2)
Barabasi was interviewed on Radio 4 (Score:5, Informative)
http://www.boog.co.uk/media/barabasiinterview.mp3 [boog.co.uk]
Re:Barabasi was interviewed on Radio 4 (Score:1)
Networks and models (Score:5, Insightful)
What interests me is how such models apply to human networks. The article mentions sexual relationships, and implies that effort in combating AIDS should be targetted at key individuals, not randomly throughout the population. This draws a parallel with the Internet, which is (the article says) resistant to random failure but vulnerable to targetted attacks.
Consider the implications for other kinds of human networks if this theory is true. E.g. to fight crime, it does not pay to incarcerate minor felons. One has to take out the most important 'hubs', being the bosses.
This may seem obvious, but I find it ironic that we are using knowledge taken from modeling one of our creations (the Internet) to understand ourselves.
Re:Networks and models (Score:1)
There will always be parallels in the two. The model is focussing on threat based responses but what about growth and discovery or self control. In human social organisation the biggest combat of std's was change of behaviour, so in another human social organisation the internet the combat against computer viruses is change of behaviour.
Sex education to stop stds
Computer education to stop computer viruses
Face it focusing on key routers will probably stop the current viral model but what will the next viral payload do or look like and how will it take this into account.
Re:Networks and models (Score:2, Interesting)
Sure, it makes sense to go after the higher-ups in a hierarchy, but there isn't much point in doing that when those hubs get replaced in notime flat.
Take a drug kingpin down and there'll be more to take his place very soon after... just as there's millions of potential gnutella supernodes (superhubs) to replace the ones that dropoff (no, I'm not comparing drug dealers to p2p).
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Re:Networks and models (Score:1)
(no, I'm not comparing drug dealers to p2p).
Well, yes you are. At least the topology
Re:Networks and models (Score:2)
Ironic? Isn't rather the most natural thing in the world? A terrific and largely unexamined consequence of the technical revolutions of the last century is the distortion and exaggeration of the commonly accepted, but false, dichotomy between synthetic and natural systems. The concept is a legacy of Aristotelian categories and its undertow makes itself felt throughout Western philosophy.
What are we if not natural?
scale-free, wtf? (Score:2)
What phenomena did this columnist exactly try to explain? I quess there must be some sense in this. But it does not ehmm.. really open to me. Does he want to stay that the spreading of viruses could be stopped by fixing the aortas (of the net)... or something else.
Simple (Score:3, Funny)
Both are good ways to spread a virus.
Re:Simple (Score:1)
Re:Simple (Score:1)
Yeah, yeah, I RTFA after I posted that. But on the plus side, I got it right. I should have put a bit more BS around my reply and then I could be published in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences and get lots of pretty research money.
Genius or gunk? (Score:1)
Re:Genius or gunk? (Score:1)
Lots of nice research money.
I know it was meant as a joke, but... (Score:1)
...is probably not too insightful. The really big numbers (in terms of sex partners) are put up by prostitutes, who may not feel lucky to be doing what they're doing.
The backbone of sex (Score:5, Funny)
So, could anyone give me a few examples of the people who are the backbones of sex? I'd sure like to bone them right back, since they obviously handle a large percentage of all sex in the world.
Even if they won't be boned by me, maybe they could carry my requests to distant parts of the world to someone who might?
Re:The backbone of sex (Score:3, Funny)
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Re:The backbone of sex (Score:1)
Wilt the Stilt (Score:1)
Re:The backbone of sex (Score:1)
pimps?
Fallacy (Score:2, Insightful)
This is the same logic employed by tyrants and dictators (and bad scientists).
Re:Fallacy (Score:2)
And yes, scale-free networks are also a hot topic in statistical physics today. The point is, scale-free networks are characterized by common properties, just as universality classes are. So if you come to the conclusion that both the internet and human sexual networks are both scale-free, then e.g. attacks on certain types of nodes will have the same kind of effect.
I see no fallacy here.
Re:Fallacy (Score:2)
While you have to be aware, always, of the limits of your model, and while you must never lose sight of the fact that it is only a model(*), it's ridiculous to say that you can never derive prescriptive action from studying a model. It's done every day. Recent example: Our weather models sayd Hurrican Iggy is going to have a landfall at such-and-such a time and near this point. People living near the point get ready, by battening down or evacuating or whatever. Or are you saying you'd ignore the evacuation order because it's "only a model" of how the atmosphere reacts?
(*) Insert obligatory "Monty Python and the Quest for the Holy Grail" line here.
Nobody has posted a link to the IRC Sex Chart? (Score:1)
What the internet does look like? (Score:5, Funny)
Yeah, but what about... (Score:2)
You know that Net traffic doubles every three months [redherring.com], so you're confident that this will work, for all Half the world's poulation still hasn't made a phone call [unrisd.org]?
Re:Yeah, but what about... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Yeah, but what about... (Score:2)
Re:Yeah, but what about... (Score:1)
It does refute it, it just turns around it, without a single direct computation. And not even accouting the replacement of landlines by mobile phones, or the office lines, used by the same persons who already have a phone at home.
2,300% is huge, except when you start with nearly 0.
And the "if we assume original guess of half was right in 1994 (a big if)" takes 1/2 as the starting point, although it might have been higher, like "3/5 of the world hasn't made a call"... Just that "half" is easier to say.
By process of elimination... (Score:3, Funny)
It tastes like grape-aid.
Vapour Warez (Score:1)
When and if are very big words in forecasting
Waste of a story. (Score:3, Funny)
I could summarize the net in one sentence:
"You are in a maze of twisty tunnels, all alike"
There, the internet.
What about this (Score:2)
All these Funny posts, and still missing one... (Score:3, Funny)
Obligatory link to the Internet Sex Chart (Score:1)
From the /. homepage, an answer (Score:2)
"High-Speed Data Transfer Over
Mona Lisa Overdrive (Score:1)
Suffering whiplash from seeing a Gibson story become a real-live Slashdot post.
book on this subject by the author (Score:1)
amazon product page [amazon.com]
Some wikis are also 'scale free' (Score:1)
So, the 'inside' of the web seems to follow the same rules. It is particulary interresting with wikis because of the unplanned, distributed growth (like the Internet).
As the belgian provider, where the pictures are, seems to be down. You can also see the pictures in ReseauCitoyen.be's TopologieDuWiki [reseaucitoyen.be]
I thing it would be a good idea to have a discussion on
I know of only one book on the subject : "The Wiki Way: Collaboration and Sharing on the Internet [amazon.com]" by Bo Leuf, Ward Cunningham (of c2.com [c2.com], creator of the Wiki concept).
If you search Google for 'RecentChanges' (a good marker for wikis (?)), you get a lot of them, more and more (A survey by country domain sept->oct 2002 [reseaucitoyen.be])
There are some scientific papers at GaTech.edu [gatech.edu]
Similar research on instant messaging networks (Score:1)
http://www.arxiv.org/abs/cond-mat/0206378
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Re:hi (Score:1)