Slashback: Profits, Marks, Secsh 82
A cool black cube. mattdm writes: "For those skeptical about the non-profit nature of Spindl3top (see earlier slashdot story), hopefully this will address some of your concerns. Lucas has posted a public draft of the nonprofit Articles of Organization/Incorporation [pdf format]. This is a really cool project -- it's nice to see it moving forward."
2300-upmanship. DaAdder writes: "There's a multi-million dollar gaming event in Germany. It's huge, it's sponsored, it's probably the biggest LAN anywhere accorind to themselves. They happen to be wrong.
The Gathering in norway was even in guiness book of records in '99, and they've kept growing ever since, peaking at 5300 atendees in '99.
Under the about menu on their site you can follow the progress of this LAN, all but this years numbers, that for some reason aren't up yet.
You still have to do some back-breaking exercise, lugging your computer half way across the world to scandinavia if you want to participate, and pay a fee for your efforts, even though most of us think it's a small price to pay for 4+ days of funfillad LAN-o-rama."
The post-leap look, with safety goggles. Bill Sommerfeld of Sun was one of several people to politely point out that there's no evident danger of needing to call "secsh" instead of "ssh," as hinted in the last story down in the previous Slashback.
He writes: "... As several followups stated, this is not a recent change; the drafts and working group have always contained the 'secsh' abbreviation -- because 'ssh' was already taken by a different, now concluded, working group known as Site Security Handbook.
quick score card:
ssh: command name
SSH: protocol name
Secure Shell: full name of working group
secsh: IETF abbreviation for Secure Shell working group
ssh: IETF abbreviation for Site Security Handbook working
group.
ietf-ssh: name of the Secure Shell working group mailing list.
Nothing has changed on this since the secure shell working group was founded in 1997 or so."
Never has the phrase "say it ain't so" been so effective. Thank you, Bill.
A preemptive slashback -- please go and report from the future! Katina Bishop invites anyone who can make it to a panel discussion this May 6th (a Sunday) on Internet Blocking in Schools and Libraries. The discussion even has a subtitle -- "Law, Litigation, and Community Response" -- and will kick off at 2:00 PM Pacific Time in the Koret Auditorium of the San Francisco Public Library, at 100 Larkin Street, San Francisco. (That's near Civic Center BART/Muni) You can call 415-557-4400 for directions.
BayFF rocks, and censorware does not. And it sounds a lot more interesting than sitting around waiting for the blackout; go here to pick up argument ammunition next time someone brushes off objections to widescale net-filtering.
Bonus picture for long-time subscribers: Remember the not-quite-politic spray-painted Tux ad campaign which upset some folks in San Francisco? Kurt Gray contributes "some interesting photos of a Cambridge, MA resident testing the PeaceLoveLinux logos spraypainted on the sidewalk ... and it's not washing off! Doh!
Re:Actually, it was spray paint, not chalk (Score:1)
I think that it makes the pavement ("sidewalk" for American readers) look better. If they had done them in different sizes, in different colours ("colors" for American readers) at any rate.
Better than looking at a grey chewing-gum covered pavement ("sidewalk" for American readers) all the time as you are walking along.
Someone spray paint the DeCSS code onto all the major pavements ("si..." okay, okay, you know) in all the major American cities. That would be fun. You could have Perl versions, C versions, etc all over the place, in different fonts and colours.
haha! 0wn3d! (Score:1)
Re:Hrm. (Score:2)
Re:/. effect.. (Score:2)
Some modern kind of exorcism?
Re:The Gathering (Score:3)
Do you supply air freshener, deodorant or nose plugs for the contestants?
Re:Hrm. (Score:4)
Well, i mean, you know what they say, you should always use protection..
/. effect.. (Score:5)
It even says on the page that its ran on a cable modem and NT...
A good thing, too... (Score:4)
- A.P.
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Forget Napster. Why not really break the law?
Re:haha! 0wn3d! (Score:2)
Chicagoans are peeved at the PLL logos too. (Score:2)
Chas - The one, the only.
THANK GOD!!!
Re:SSH? (Score:2)
Re:A good thing, too... (Score:3)
Embarassing for tech support,
but damn easy to remember.
Re:Yes Slapdick STILL sucks (Score:1)
Re:SSH? (Score:1)
Re:Hrm. (Score:1)
Re:SSH? (Score:1)
Re:Actually, it was spray paint, not chalk (Score:1)
What are you? Some kind of tree-hugging long-hair? Screw the environment when you got a statement to make! Just look at the protests in Canada and Washington state! Tons, and tons of trash left behind!
Re:I'm not surprised (Score:1)
Re:Actually, it was spray paint, not chalk (Score:1)
As for the squirrels... If ya get enough of em you can actually make a decent fur coat.
tick-tock.. the clock is ticking! (Score:1)
How long until his server falls over?
Actually, it was spray paint, not chalk (Score:5)
Sun Offers to Clean Up IBM Mess [internetnews.com]
Sun Microsystems Inc., looking to turn an IBM Corp. marketing gaff into a public relations coup for itself, announced Friday that it will help the City of San Francisco clean up the sidewalks Big Blue spray painted as part of its Linux eServer advertising campaign. Big Blue said the sidewalk advertisements were supposed to be done in biodegradable chalk, but, at least in San Francisco and Chicago, black spray paint was used instead.
Re:SSH? (Score:5)
Re:SSH? (Score:2)
rubbing out Tux? (Score:4)
Or have we (the non-specific WE) raised Tux to the level of a minor god, where graven images must be erased before some massholes press their dirty shoe soles into Tux's face?
Sprinkle
the AC
Anti-karma whoring. Karma is still over 250 and hasn't been dropping fast enough
The Gathering is no lame LAN-party (Score:2)
Re:Compufest TM (Lan Parties) (Score:3)
Mirror (Score:3)
Re:Leave it out, Woodentop (Score:1)
If you go back and read what Lucas has been saying [kuro5hin.org], you'll realize that this Lucas guy wasn't 100% sure about the business terms for what he wanted to do, so he just called it a business where he'd be the one running it. (since he *would* be the one running it).
-- Lucas Wagner, announcing his idea [kuro5hin.org]Personally I think all these conspiracy theories about Spindl3top are just as funny as the "Taco/Hemos controlling Microsoft through the minions of laced Taco Bell tacos, and subliminal messages in Toy Story 2, etc...", but it's too bad that some people think they're real.
In summary: Don't give money to anybody you don't trust. Personally, I don't ~trust~ Spindl3top yet, so I'm going to take their blackbird source files (can't get the link now, cuz the site is down) and buy/build the components it myself.
--Robert
If you're gonna do it... (Score:1)
Spindl3top mirrors (Score:5)
Enjoy the pre-emptively created mirrors! Maybe they'll even be needed.
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Re:/. effect.. (Score:5)
http://dotslash.dynodns.net/01/04/29/1840233/ [dynodns.net]
Renaming the command "ssh" (Score:1)
Re:More penguins (Score:1)
More penguins (Score:2)
Giant penguin in NYC (Score:2)
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Paul Gillingwater
Re: SSH? (Score:1)
Advanced Creation of Ridiculous Abbreviations Named with Inexact Meanings
I need to go home and sleep... (Score:2)
"I'll take the red pill, no, blue. AAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH........"
ssh vs secsh (Score:3)
Except for the spelling in slashdot headlines.
Reporting from the future (Score:1)
A preemptive slashback -- please go and report from the future!
Pretty boring. Discussion didn't get anywhere, just like here.
However, I can tell you that the winner in next week's poll is Hemos the Hampster. I don't know. Didn't think his legs were that great.
JThe sidewalk pics were posted already (Score:3)
Re:SSH? (Score:1)
Re:Gaming and equipment for tourneys..... (Score:1)
I thought this quote read:
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"Goose... Geese... Moose... MOOSE!?!?!"
Re:haha! 0wn3d! (Score:1)
Hrm. (Score:3)
Re:Compufest TM (Lan Parties) (Score:1)
http://www.hardware.no/diverse/tg01/ [hardware.no]
(text is in norwegian tho)
Re:Ok, then, consider this my application (Score:1)
kickin' science like no one else can,
my dick is twice as long as my attention span.
Re:/. effect.. (Score:1)
Re:Spray paint? (Score:1)
Re:SSH? (Score:1)
Re:Spray paint? (Score:4)
Re:rubbing out Tux? (Score:1)
Re:rubbing out Tux? (Score:3)
Obviously, anyone who runs AOLServer on NT has some issues they need to work out.
Hopefully, with help of therapy, he can stop scrubbing out penguins and start scrubbing out the real enemy... all those blasted AOL CDs in DVD cases that they keep mailing out. And maybe he'll install a real web server [apache.org] while he's at it. :)
SSH? (Score:5)
SSH TLA AFU? LRS.
In 1989, a random of the journalistic persuasion asked hacker Paul Boutin "What do you think will be the biggest problem in computing in the 90s?" Paul's straight-faced response: "There are only seventeen thousand 3-letter acronyms."
Ok, so he was only a decade off. BFD.
Peace, love, Linux (Score:2)
Not much, just an interesting bit...
/Brian
Re:rubbing out Tux? (Score:2)
Oh...that wouldn't work! It would require them to go outside..oh well..
WHAT? They're stamping brand-names on our soles??? Is nothing sacred?
Re:Hrm. (Score:1)
spindletop == spin city (Score:2)
What pressure?
The pressure from all the posters who accused you of lying, and pressed you to substantiate your claims, woodentop.
You think I give a damn about what anyone thinks?
Well, I wonder how I ever got that idea ... could it be because your own fucking website admits that you changed your mind about non-profit status because of all the adverse comment? Or possibly because of all the whining articles you posted, claiming that people who had, in fact, seen right through you were "misunderstanding"? Or indeed, because you abused the k5 moderation system to get your own back on me, at least? Or because of your disgusting Clintonian evasivness and wriggling throughout the whole fiasco, affecting not to know what a "co-operative" was? Get real, Woodentop.
Were I as talentless as you, I certainly wouldn't flaunt it and make an ass of myself as you do.
Your actions belie your words.
Oh and by the way, given that my signature, appended to every post I make, contains the words "Linux is for cunts", to call me a "wannabe troll" is to make a very poor flame indeed. Fucking Clinton impersonator.
Leave it out, Woodentop (Score:5)
What utter, self-serving rot.
There are a few of us here who remember the whole story of this matter, Lucas, and your misrepresentation of it is, frankly, dishonest. The posts on the slashdot thread linked to above, and on the corresponding kuro5hin story quite clearly say what a number of other people, including myself were saying, which is that, at the time when you first started publicising this project:
- It was based around a for-profit business, owned by you
- It was representing itself as a "co-operative", which carries the strong implication of being a non-profit
- You were using the word "GNU" in your promotion, implying a link to the Free Software Foundation which did not, at that time, exist.
- And therefore, that it was using misleading publicity, about which the public ought to be warned.
Since the beginning of this, you appear (I have *not* checked this, and would appreciate it if someone else would) to have addressed all of these issues. For which, you have my congratulations. But it is very poor indeed of you to pretend that these concerns were not entirely rational at the time, because they very definitely were.You started with a project which misleadingly pretended to be a non-profit. In response to pressure from posters on slashdot and kuro5hin, you have turned it into a genuine non-profit. Don't you dare stigmatise the people who have been trying to keep you honest from day one as "conspiracy theorists". Spiers and flatpack (I make no comment on my own minor role) are the only people who come out of this with their reputations entirely intact.
Re:I need to go home and sleep... (Score:1)
Re:The Gathering is no lame LAN-party (Score:1)
Ooops. Now Ive done it. First Napster....now our Lan-parties.
The Gathering (Score:3)
We are having our 12th lan party this weekend and it's extremely difficult to organize 20-40 people on a network in one weekend, more or less hundreds. There are so many issues from bad network cards, proper game patches, prizes, sponsors, release forms for minors, - to just keeping with the tournament agenda. We generally charge $10-$15 and feed everyone lunch and dinner(the party lasts from 10 am till midnight).
There have been many events where we didn't make what we spent just for renting the location. But it comes down to fun, and yes, the fee is a small price to pay for gathering a group of geeks in a cramped room for 15 hours for a massive frag fest!
Re:rubbing out Tux? (Score:1)
EFF Press Release Link (Score:3)
http://www.eff.org/bayff/20010506_bayff_announce.h tml [eff.org]
Just to recap:
May 6, 2001 BayFF Featuring 7 Speakers on Censorware
Panel Will Examine Issues Surrounding Internet Blocking in Schools and Libraries, and Community Response
This event is sponsored by: Electronic Frontier Foundation, San Francisco Public Library, James C. Hormel Gay and Lesbian Center, Friends and Foundation of the San Francisco Public Library, Online Policy Group, and Mark Leno, Member of Board of Supervisors, San Francisco.
So this is not a hearing by anyone, but it is a panel discussion. Maybe it is something that could be taped for PBS or something. No info on this angle though.
Check out the Vinny the Vampire [eplugz.com] comic strip
Re:cool sig but... (Score:2)
REAL
Lan Partys in SA (Score:3)
- We get some poor schmuck to volunteer his house (thanks Bruce!), and then crash it for the party. This person ideally has a cable/DSL modem or better and more than one room (unlike Matt's place...)
- Every other good geek has something to network machines together, and since Cisco is our sponser, we get some really good stuff. Basically, we figure out what's needed, and then that too is "volunteered."
- Everyone brings what they can for food & drink (pizza and soda), and whoever is the most desperate goes and gets the food.
We do everything from just plain messing with the network we put together to playing games. And since we're Linux nuts, we try out the latest distros (Hope Mandrake 8 stable is better than beta1, 'cause I sure got fscked!). For details, e-mail me. If you're in the San Antonio area, check out the website @ (come on, take a guess) satlug.org [satlug.org].REAL
Re:Spray paint? (Score:5)
By the way, did anyone catch Sun's offer [sun.com] to help clean up the graffiti? Pretty amusing. "For us, it's just one more way in which we're helping clean up after IBM," said the flack.
Re:The Gathering (Score:4)
Yeah. They are amazing. The best part is: KANDU (translated Creative Active Norwegian Computer Youth, link [kandu.no]) also hires out (sp?) networking and security equipment (walkies) to people who want to organize their own parties.
I live in Norway, and I've been attending TG since 1998, but it is sad to see that the scener/gamer (kinda like s/n) ratio is tipping more towards gaming for each year.
I am by no means an old-schooler when it comes to scening, but I've been following it since '92 and I think it's sad that the gamer ratio have increased. But I guess that's how it gets as it becomes more commercial.
Anyhow, for you US folks that aren't into the european demo scene, check out scene.org [scene.org] for news and great stuff to download. Especially check out the demos and Hybris/NEMESIS' great 3D contribution from The Party 2000. It's great (albeit a quite large 150 MB download).
Compufest TM (Lan Parties) (Score:2)
Just my 2 cents.
Ok, then, consider this my application (Score:1)
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Re:Actually, it was spray paint, not chalk (Score:1)
Er... Well, y'know. You can't make an omelette without um... destroying a forest. Or something.
Re:Actually, it was spray paint, not chalk (Score:2)
Er... Well, y'know. You can't make an omelette without um... destroying a forest. Or something.
Famous Spindl3top Conspiracies (Score:1)
Actually, we weren't slagged so badly last time... at least nothing that I wouldn't have said if I couldn't check out the site and see what was going on these days (it is obviously a lot different from the googlecached stuff from six months ago).. The "+4 conspiracy post" was just a part-time spork-wielding goatrapist pictured here [goatse.cx] (don't click that unless you want your eyes to pop out) whom we pissed off by voting down his article on K5. At that time, he had created an 17-page, intricate conspiracy theory about an organization that had a net profit of about $400 and one employee (me). I think it's funny, actually.
But, alas that is over... I actually lost a lot of money because I tried to put my efforts into too many profitless free-software things. We really wanted to go nonprofit but the costs and time needed in doing it otherwise, however, were so damn high that I had to bite my lip and figure out how to manually dissolve a company, how to form an organization, what is expected of a nonprofit, how to publish our accounting data for the public to see, etc. Reading IRS forms is not fun.
I'm surprised Flatpack (aka Spiers from K5) was modded up to +4... Why? Well, he forgot the other things that our notorious organization has done:
Anyway, that's my 2c... don't read into it too much or anything. Let's be real... like any geeky club, the aim is just to have fun, build cool stuff, hack free software, chill out, and not give a fsck. It's cool like dat.. and anyone is welcome.
Lucas (Wagner)
Spindl3top
Cambridge, Mass.
Talked with Streetlawyer; Plz disregard my stmts. (Score:2)
He's coming to it from a perspective of investigative reporting; he's an actual person, a journalist who goes after conmen over in Europe. He was suspicious of the article I wrote last November because I couldn't produce the exact details he was looking for. He said that he doesn't doubt that my intentions were good, but that I did it in the wrong way... yeah, he's right in several respects... I did. I'm a novice, what can I say.
I didn't "bow to public pressure" or whatever because there really hasn't been any, except for maybe two or three people. I think most people don't really care one way or the other because so much more repugnant stuff is going on these days.
In my case, it was naivity more than anything else.. I've got no "PR department" and I'm just an average user doing this for the first time. At that time, I was right out of school. In the long run, it really will not matter... and this has been a learning experience.
He says I should have just said that I listened to people in the community and did the nonprofit thing... that I looked bad when I pretended otherwise... I thought I had said that, so I'm saying it now.
So, on my side of things, please disregard my pretty lame slagging of him. I shouldn't have done it in the first place because it makes me look bad, but, on the other hand, not retracting it makes me look worse... and if I'm going to look bad anyway, I'd rather look bad but have a less burdened conscience for having slagged him in the first place.
Re:Lan Partys in SA (Score:1)
D'ohhh! (Score:1)
*peace* love linux? (Score:1)
Re:Spray paint? (Score:1)
I'm not surprised (Score:2)
With the majority of Linux being law-evading criminals and general rebellious miscreants, I'm not surprised at all.
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George W. Bush
President, United States of America
The Gathering rant (Score:3)
That is very civilized of you. I read that last year TG got problems with the authorities because that's a skating hall you've got there, not a place where people sleep (and it lasts around a week, if you don't sleep you'll start hallucinating, caffeine or not). I think they got around it by reserving part of the hall for sleeping...plus limiting size. If they had infinite space, they could have made it much bigger...
In short, I don't think you are a bad organizer after all. You seem to give more service. Up here, if you don't have a proper network card you have a problem, plus you can forget about being fed. Oh, that's true, one year on TG Mr.Lee, a local noodle king showed up and gave away a lot of noodles. Plus, I've been to lanparties where :
1. the arrangers took all the bandwith for themselves
2. there was a double ISDN line advertised as 2 gigabit line
3. Power supply went down because arrangers were literally smoking pot.
But there has been good times too, like the biscuit song, and the action supercross crase at TG.
Ok, this was a long ranting post but that's it the spirit of slashback right?
Gaming and equipment for tourneys..... (Score:5)
In the original format, the organisers were going to provide the mouse of choice for the compeditors (the machines being standard - I think they were AMD Athlons about 500 MHz). This was fine (most people going for the standard intellimouse) until the Swedish teams request was seen. They were looking for Razor Boomslangs with the spring at 32 (don't ask me what it means either, it's something to so with the spring tension
As expected the Swedes got into the final. Unexpectedly, the Russians also got there. They were so used to playing with crap machines apparently (and even worse mice - theirs were £2 versions) that playing on the modern LAN was too easy! They beat the odds and the Swedes, and won the Comp!
No real point to this post, just like that story.
There was also a humorous episode involving an unnamed member of the Irish team and a transvestite, but we'll leave it at that!
Best size for gaming lan parties (Score:1)
Re:SSH? (Score:1)