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- By the end of 2026, how useful do you think agentic/multi-agent AI systems will actually be in your daily work or personal projects? Posted on March 11th, 2026 | 40 comments
Poor guys... (Score:2, Redundant)
-Henry
Re:Poor guys... (Score:5, Funny)
All those innocent contractors hired to do a job were killed--casualties of a war they had nothing to do with. All right, look--you're a roofer, and some juicy government contract comes your way; you got the wife and kids and the two-story in suburbia--this is a government contract, which means all sorts of benefits. All of a sudden these left-wing militants blast you with lasers and wipe out everything within a three-mile radius. You didn't ask for that. You have no personal politics. You're just trying to scrape out a living. That never sat right with me.
Re:Poor guys... (Score:3, Informative)
And Randal is my hero.
Dante: "You hate people."
Randal: "But I love gatherings. Isn't it ironic?"
Re:Poor guys... (Score:2)
Re:Poor guys... (Score:2, Informative)
Carrie Fisher on the other hand had it written into her contract that Star Wars wasn't allowed to be mentioned.
Re:Poor guys... (Score:2)
"Homer, use the for--"
"The force?"
"No, the forks! Use the forks!"
Personal Politics... (Score:4, Funny)
Dunn and Reddy Home Improvements.And speaking as a roofer, I can say that a roofer's personal politics come heavily into play when choosing jobs.
Like when?
Three months ago I was offered a job up in the hills. A beautiful house with tons of property. It was a simple reshingling job, but I was told that if it was finished within a day, my price would be doubled.
Then I realized whose house it was.
Whose house was it?
Dominick Bambino's.
"Babyface" Bambino? The gangster?
The same. The money was right, but the risk was too big. I knew who he was, and based on that, I passed the job on to a friend of mine.
Based on personal politics.
Right. And that week, the Foresci family put a hit on Babyface's house. My friend was shot and killed. He wasn't even finished shingling.
No way!
I'm alive because I knew there were risks involved taking on that particular client. My friend wasn't so lucky.
You know, any contractor willing to work on that Death Star knew the risks. If they were killed, it was their own fault. A roofer listens to this...
(taps his heart) not his wallet.
I had never realized roofing was so dangerous...
Especially if you're that guys "friend".
Re:Poor guys... (Score:2)
Re:The First Death Star (Score:2)
He simply didn't count on the legions of ewoks joining the battle, or chewey hijacking an AT-ST.
Re:The First Death Star (Score:2)
Re:The First Death Star (Score:2)
'Course, capital ship vs. a small moon covered with turbolasers is rather like a popgun vs. a Trident submarine...
Re:The First Death Star (Score:2)
Obviously, they didn't work very well.
Re:The First Death Star (Score:2)
I'm also under the impression that the big difference between DS1 and DS2 was that the superlaser on DS1 was incapable of targetting anything smaller than a planet... Although, come to think about it, that could have been what he meant by "outer defense"...
Re:The First Death Star (Score:3, Informative)
sPh
Before you feel too sorry for those contractors... (Score:5, Funny)
They weren't contractors. (Score:5, Interesting)
If you're referring to the things the Empire had built for itself (2 death stars etc.), during the period of time when you could expect the Empire those were built by slaves, not contractors.
Since I know a lot about useless Star Wars trivia, have some random thoughts on the other choices:
Benign Dictatorship - Not really. The emperor was a big-time racist, and basically pulled a hitler, getting ready to round up all non-human citizens etc. Keep reading for more information on the Empire and its nasty ways.
Good intentions, bad results Nope, Palpatine's intentions were never good. Let's return to my Hitler comparison. Hitler rose to power on a bed of charisma. Accounts of him by his contemporaries portray him as sensitive, enthusiastic, and just generally likeable. He became more and more powerful, since people trusted him, and was eventually granted emergency dictatorship during a rough time in Germany's interwar civil disagreements. It's no accident that this is nearly identical to the way Palpatine achieved power. Although Palpatine put together the conflict himself, being a covert little bastard, anc Hitler just happened to live right after World War I, I'm certain that in every other regard Palpatine was modeled after Hitler.
Fascist Despotism - A despotism is a dictatorship in which the people are allowed to do only what the government says. They are, however, allowed to say and think whatever they want. It's only recently that Totalitarian (thought-control) governments came into existance - for example, Communist Russia, Cuba, Iraq, Goerge Orwell's 1984, etc. In these countries, like in the Galactic Empire, it is illegal and punishable to disagree with the government, not just disobay it. In the Galactic Empire, they take this one step further - the Emperor and his pet Darths can read your mind, so he can tell if you're even thinking "rebel" (anti-empire) thoughts.
The rest of the poll options don't really bear obsessive anal-retentive scrutiny, so I guess I'll shut up now.
Re:They weren't contractors. (Score:5, Funny)
RANDAL: Something just never sat right with me the second time they destroyed it. I could never put my finger on it-something just wasn't right.
DANTE: And you figured it out?
RANDAL: Well, the thing is, the first Death Star was manned by the Imperial army-storm troopers, dignitaries-the only people onboard were Imperials.
DANTE: Basically.
RANDAL: So when they blew it up, no prob. Evil is punished.
DANTE: And the second time around...?
RANDAL: The second time around, it wasn't even finished yet. They were still under construction.
DANTE: So?
RANDAL: A construction job of that magnitude would require a helluva lot more manpower than the Imperial army had to offer. I'll bet there were independent contractors working on that thing: plumbers, aluminum siders, roofers.
DANTE: Not just Imperials, is what you're getting at.
RANDAL: Exactly. In order to get it built quickly and quietly they'd hire anybody who could do the job. Do you think the average storm trooper knows how to install a toilet main? All they know is killing and white uniforms.
DANTE: All right, so even if independent contractors are working on the Death Star, why are you uneasy with its destruction?
RANDAL: All those innocent contractors hired to do a job were killed-casualties of a war they had nothing to do with.
(notices Dante's confusion)
All right, look-you're a roofer, and some juicy government contract comes your way; you got the wife and kids and the two-story in suburbia-this is a government contract, which means all sorts of benefits. All of a sudden these left-wing militants blast you with lasers and wipe out everyone within a three-mile radius. You didn't ask for that. You have no personal politics. You're just trying to scrape out a living.
The BLUE-COLLAR MAN joins them.
BLUE-COLLAR MAN: Excuse me. I don't mean to interrupt, but what were you talking about?
RANDAL: The ending of Return of the Jedi.
DANTE: My friend is trying to convince me that any contractors working on the uncompleted Death Star were innocent victims when the space station was destroyed by the rebels.
BLUE-COLLAR MAN: Well, I'm a contractor myself. I'm a roofer...
(digs into pocket and produces business card)
Dunn and Reddy Home Improvements. And speaking as a roofer, I can say that a roofer's personal politics come heavily into play when choosing jobs.
RANDAL: Like when?
BLUE-COLLAR MAN: Three months ago I was offered a job up in the hills. A beautiful house with tons of property. It was a simple reshingling job, but I was told that if it was finished within a day, my price would be doubled. Then I realized whose house it was.
DANTE: Whose house was it?
BLUE-COLLAR MAN: Dominick Bambino's.
RANDAL: "Babyface" Bambino? The gangster?
BLUE-COLLAR MAN: The same. The money was right, But the risk was too big. I knew who he was, and based on that, I passed the job on to a friend of mine.
DANTE: Based on personal politics.
BLUE-COLLAR MAN: Right. And that week, the Foresci family put a hit on Babyface's house. My friend was shot and killed. He wasn't even finished shingling.
RANDAL: No way!
BLUE-COLLAR MAN: (paying for coffee)
I'm alive because I knew there were risks involved taking on that particular client. My friend wasn't so lucky.
(pauses to reflect)
You know, any contractor willing to work on that Death Star knew the risks. If they were killed, it was their own fault. A roofer listens to this...
(taps his heart)
not his wallet.
Anyway, that's the reference. Whether or not it concurs with the Star Wars universe is a matter of speculation.
Re:Jay & Silent Bob are my role models! (Score:2)
- Mallrats
- Clerks
- Chasing Amy
- Dogma
- J&SBSB
Jersey Girl will not be part of the Jersey Trilogy, and Clerks: The Animated Series falls somewhere nebulously in between.Re:Jay & Silent Bob are my role models! (Score:2)
Re:Before you feel too sorry for those contractors (Score:3, Funny)
What, Vader's going to kill every single contractor who declines the job?
I mean, say you get a call from Death Star Industries, wanting you to come and do some on-site work, but you decline. There's probably at least ten layers of beauracracy between you and anyone likely to come into contact with DV. What's he gonna do, ask for a complete list of everyone who turned the job down, go round their house (on whatever planet), and crush their throats?
SCENE: Matthew & Sons, in a medium city on an obscure planet.
DARTH VADER: Bring me MATTHEW. He is here. I have felt him.SECRETARY: Yeah, nice helmet, bud. You got a real reason for being here? Hallow'een was months ago.
DV: I find your insolence
S: Yeah, like the real Vader's going to come out here to get his TIE fighter repainted. Riiiiight. He's too busy oppressing the universe.
DV: [telekinetic choke]
S: [gak]
S: Thr
SCENE: CARL MATTHEW's office.
DV: I find your lack of a work ethic
DV: [telekinetic neck break]
MATTHEW: [dies]
DV: Still three hundred thousand more to do. Blast. It sucks, having only two Sith.
Has to Be the Cool Outfits. (Score:5, Funny)
- Darth Vader's outfit. Suave in black, and what a cool samurai-ish helmet. He picks up all the chicks, too - "tall, dark, and on life support."
- The dudes in the black with the helmet that mimicks Vader's with the chinstrap. I mean, that was a stylish chinstrap. It either matched the rest of the helmet, or it was the opposite - white - which looked really cool. Awesome fashion designers. They even coordinated with their boss!
- The stormtroopers. I mean, that's a cool uniform with the armor. And it makes them look tall ("tall, dark, and on life support" helps you pick up chicks, remember?) - that's why Leia commented on how short Luke was. She expected all Stormtroopers to be tall and suave. But no, he was a kid with a bad haircut. He couldn't've been a Stormtrooper. He was short.
- The snowtroopers. Looking cool with a variation on the same theme as the stormtroopers. They even look like a team, even though they look different. It's a unique team thing going on, and that's hip.
- The scout troops. I mean, helmets with built-in sunglasses - that's great!
- The emperor's guards. Red! BRILLIANT! Just when you thought they were stickin' monochrome - they throw you a quick one and give the Emperor's boys a special look.
- And the Emperor. What a groovy nightrobe for a bad guy! It's like blue corduroy.
Gotta love the Empire. I'm not even going to how groovy the Star Destroyer would look painted up...Re:Has to Be the Cool Outfits. (Score:5, Funny)
Perfect, dahlings, perfect! White IS the new black!
Now... the Star Destroyer. That is an emergency! Drab, drab, drab. Something has GOT to be done - but quick!
The cargo bay, hmm... Its too cold; far too cold and lifeless. I'm thinking pastel. Warm it up with Apricot walls... the doors in Salmon, annnd... something a little bolder for the architraves. Yes, definitely Sienna for the architraves.
Next room, please!
Imperial Solar System Decorators (Score:5, Funny)
Oh Darth! Please get rid of that planet there... that Alderaan is it? Yes! Then we'll accessorize that gas giant with a ring!
Re:Has to Be the Cool Outfits. (Score:2)
Re:Has to Be the Cool Outfits. (Score:2)
Re:Has to Be the Cool Outfits. (Score:2)
You missed a few. (Score:2)
TIE Pilots! Join the Imperial Navy! (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Has to Be the Cool Outfits. (Score:2)
Banky: What's a nubian?
Hooper: Shut the fuck up! Now. Vader, he's a spiritual brother, down with the force and all that good shit. Then this cracker Skywalker gets his hands on a lightsaber, and the boy decides he's gonna run the whole fucking universe! Gets a whole klan of whites together and they go bust up Vader's hood, the Death Star! Now what the fuck do you call that?
Banky: Intergalatic civil war?
Hooper: Gentrification!! They gonna drive out the black element to make the galaxy quote-unquote safe for white folks! In "Jedi," the most insulting installment when Vader's beautiful black visage is sullied when he pulls off his mask to reveal a feeble, crusty old white man! They trying to tell us that deep inside, we all wants to be white!!!
Banky: Well, isn't that true?
Not Death Star Contractors... (Score:2, Funny)
Oh the contractors... (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Oh the contractors... (Score:4, Funny)
Well, say what you will about roofers, but this doesn't necessarily apply to siding contractors [bluevinyl.org].
Software Creator? (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Software Creator? (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Software Creator? (Score:2)
Microsoft is more akin to the Borg.
Episode II spoiler
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Besides, do you think the Slashdot audience would've let Bill Gates marry Natalie Portman?
Re:Spoiler? (Score:2)
Not that the old one was much better... (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Not that the old one was much better... (Score:3, Informative)
Naboo (Score:2)
Think, fantasy story, galaxy far far away, things might be different.
Plus if it is a lifetime appointment how does one abdicate the throne? suicide?
Even worse... (Score:2)
Uh... great.
No...just a plot device (Score:2)
Re:No...just a plot device (Score:3, Insightful)
And, of course, if Jar-Jar hadn't granted Palpatine the power so he could use the clone army, all the Jedi would have ended up dying in the arena...
Re:Not that the old one was much better... (Score:5, Funny)
You'd think that a culture that has grown to inter-steller size would be past a fudalist form of government
I agree! After all, Governor Tarkin says, "Fear will keep the local systems in line." I'm sure the Uncertainty and Doubt fit in there somewhere, although it wasn't specifically stated.
It wasn't until the Empire that they achieved even a fudalist government.
(Sorry. :-)
Re:Not that the old one was much better... (Score:2)
Very true. A lot of revolutionary dictatorships throughout history have been embraced by people who correctly saw them as far closer to a meritocracy than the old regimes - Russian, French, Chinese, German, etc.
Re:Not that the old one was much better... (Score:2)
I assume you mean Fuddalist:
[enter stormtrooper, Chewie, C3-PO]
Stormtrooper: [swivels gun back and forth as appropriate throughout scene]
Chewie: Droid Season!
C3-PO: Wookie Season!
Chewie: Droid Season!
C3-PO: Wookie Season!
Chewie: Droid Season!
C3-PO: Droid Season!
Chewie: Wookie Season! Fire!
Stormtrooper: [point gun at Chewie and fire]
Chewie: [stare at C3-PO with contempt] You're despicable.
Death Star Workers... (Score:4, Funny)
-- Dan =)
Re:Death Star Workers... (Score:2)
Hrmm, while the Force is strong in Steve, wears black and always has cylindrical objects in his hands - what would that mean for the Rebels? While Bill does look somewhat like Luke, can you imagine Leya cheering up the troops, yelling "Rebel Fighters, Rebel Fighters, Rebel Fighters, Rebel Fighters. God, I love this Rebellion!"?
What a wookie! (Score:3, Insightful)
Contractors (Score:4, Informative)
DANTE: There's more?
RANDAL: So they build another Death Star, right?
DANTE: Yeah.
RANDAL: Now the first one they built was completed and fully operational before the Rebels destroyed it.
DANTE: Luke blew it up. Give credit where it's due.
RANDAL: And the second one was still being built when they blew it up.
DANTE: Compliments of Lando Calrissian.
RANDAL: Something just never sat right with me the second time they destroyed it. I could never put my finger on it-something just wasn't right.
DANTE: And you figured it out?
RANDAL: Well, the thing is, the first Death Star was manned by the Imperial army-storm troopers, dignitaries- the only people onboard were Imperials.
DANTE: Basically.
RANDAL: So when they blew it up, no prob. Evil is punished.
DANTE: And the second time around...?
RANDAL: The second time around, it wasn't even finished yet. They were still under construction.
DANTE: So?
RANDAL: A construction job of that magnitude would require a helluva lot more manpower than the Imperial army had to offer. I'll bet there were independent contractors working on that thing: plumbers, aluminum siders, roofers.
DANTE:Not just Imperials, is what you're getting at.
RANDAL: Exactly. In order to get it built quickly and quietly they'd hire anybody who could do the job. Do you think the average storm trooper knows how to install a toilet main? All they know is killing and white uniforms.
DANTE: All right, so even if independent contractors are working on the Death Star, why are you uneasy with its destruction?
RANDAL: All those innocent contractors hired to do a job were killed - casualties of a war they had nothing to do with.
-From Clerks (God bless Kevin Smith)
Re:Contractors (Score:4, Insightful)
Would you hold blameless somebody who willingly went to Iraq to help build nuclear weapons? Even if all they did was machine replacement screws for the refining machines?
The Imperial contractors working on the second Death Star had to have known that they were working on the replacement for a weapon that had already been used to destroy an entire planet. They were as guilty of war crimes as that guy with the cool helmet who threw the switch.
Even if they were forced to do the work, there would have been a moral imperative to sabotage the work, even at risk to their own lives.
So, no, I don't feel sorry for these fictional contractors. Either they had blood on their hands or died fighting the good fight.
When it comes to atrocities such as these, the only innocent are those removed in knowledge, space, and time. Those involved are guilty for helping make possible the horror (or for failing to attempt to prevent it) or are victims, themselves.
b&
Re:Contractors (Score:2)
Would you hold blameless someone who willingly did office work in the pentagon, and was killed on September 11?
As it happens, I almost agree with you. If someone willingly works for a system like the deathstar or pentagon, and they get what's coming to them as an indirect result, the sympathy available is going to be considerably less than people who work for a system like alderaan or an ISP in the WTC. And we saw this happen IRL.
But I think you simply gloss over the point about the people who want no part in it, but have no choice. You say either they died because they were evil, or they died fighting the good fight. You deny people any choices of opting out of the madness of others, to the extent they are able (which might not be much), and see their slaughter as either comeuppance, or them "fighting the good fight". XOR, digital binary worldview.
In the real world, if you were to say that the people who died in the pentagon on 9/11 simply got what they deserved, (or died fighting the good fight against the pentagon), a lot of people would not be comfortable with that opinion - the world is not black and white. There are shades of grey, and little people struggling to do what is right with limited choices and resources available to them. In these cases, sentencing such people to the same death penalty as the lords of evil is ethically anomalous. (Of course, the argument as to whether it is "regrettable but necessary" would be an entirely separate issue, but maybe this kind of "numbers game" morality might be the real reason it doesn't bother you?).
Re:Contractors (Score:2)
Would you hold blameless somebody who willingly went to Iraq to help build nuclear weapons?
Well, there are some issues that spring to mind with your post. Firstly, propaganda and brainwashing, like in the second world war. The empire probably wasn't singing from the rooftops that they destroyed a planet. So they may not have known.
Even if they were forced to do the work, there would have been a moral imperative to sabotage the work, even at risk to their own lives.
What if they were under duress? What it they had been told 'Do this work, or we kill you and your family, and then get someone in to replace you'. Refusing wouldn't hold up work - it would just get the roofer or whatever killed, along with his family.
Those involved are guilty for helping make possible the horror (or for failing to attempt to prevent it) or are victims, themselves.
Death stars don't destroy planets. People destroy planets.
A better anaology might be nuclear weapons. Say you were a physicist. And say you developed a nuclear weapon. And say a major political power used that weapon to destroy a city... Hiroshima, for instance. Would you say that those involved are guilty for helping make possible the horror?
What about people who went on to make more nuclear weapons? They may have never been used, but could you say that they were as guilty of war crimes as that guy with the cool helmet who threw the switch?
Not that I agree with everything I just said... I just enjoy a good argument.
Michael
Re:Contractors QWZX (Score:2)
Re:Contractors (Score:2)
Re:Contractors (Score:2)
If Darth Vader did any of the contract negotiations, I can just imagine this (taken from "Empire Strikes Back"):
CONTRACTOR: "But we don't want to do that!"
DARTH: "Perhaps you feel you are being treated unfairly?"
CONTRACTOR: (In the great tradition set forth by Lando) "no"
DARTH: "Good. It would be unfortunate if I had to leave a garrison here."
How do you say no to a guy with those kinds of arguments?
Poor Contractors... (Score:5, Funny)
A) the local newspaper, and/or
B) their contracts,
they would have seen that the first one was blown up by the rebellion, and the clause about families not able to sue Emperor Palpatine when an act of God, or the rebellion, blows up the second one.
Or are these the same people who don't bother reading license agreements?
BIGstan
watch hudson hawk - you'll get it.
Re:Poor Contractors... (Score:2)
And what makes you think there is a free-labor contractor economy anyways?
"yeah, we were going to bid on the the waste disposal system for that second death star, but we decided the risks were too great and decided to bow out and stick to working for the hutts. Then they torched our enitre town and killed all the workers and pulled all our imperial bank accounts and threw the rest of us in jail. Looking back, it probably was a bad idea to say no."
just like prostetnic vogon jeltz would have said (Score:2)
Hard-on Contractor? (Score:5, Funny)
Can't find the URL... (Score:2)
Re:Can't find the URL... (Score:3, Informative)
Endor Holocaust [theforce.net]
The rest of the site [theforce.net] is pretty good too.
Why the reviewers are wrong (Score:4, Insightful)
Reviewers have concentrated on the lack of romantic chemistry and on a supposed "lack of story." The former is mostly correct but mostly unimportant, and the latter is dead wrong.
The Romance
Yes, the romantic scenes are so corny as to make one cringe. Several factors conspired to make this so: the need to compress the romantic storyline in the limited time it has to share with everything else, thus concentrating much romantic weight onto just a few lines; that filming lasted a mere six weeks -- far too short for any chemistry between the actors to develop on the set; and that this relationship is supposed to be based on lust -- first and awkward lust, no less - rather than love. But the important point is that this relationship is fully believable in the context of the series. Anakin is attracted to Padme's body and Padme is attracted to Anakin's ability to use the Force.
So the romantic relationship is an integral part of the wonderful story of Episode II and the entire series, but the lack of on-screen chemistry simply meant that it wasn't realistic at a purely emotional level on-screen. However, if one did apply the suspension of belief necessary for any science fiction to the romance, emotion and empathy could easily be derived from the intellectual analysis of the script: a beautiful young woman and a powerful young man intentionally placing themselves in romantic surroundings, ignoring warning signs, and ignoring their own good sense. And it evokes empathy because the experience of bad relationships is nearly universal amongst people.
Contrast this to the romance from the original trilogy between Han and Leia. There, the acting between the rogue Harrison Ford and the icy Carrie Fisher yielded a believable romantic tension. But it was a situation of opposites attracting -- people from different classes of life. It was more fairy tale than real life (actually this one observation is this entire review in a nutshell). Fairy tales can certainly be emotionally engaging, but where it lacked in the original trilogy is that it had nothing to do with the rest of the story. If the romance were simply eliminated, the rest of the story would be essentially unchanged.
Which is better -- a badly-acted but situationally realistic romance integral to a much larger story, or a well-acted fairy tale romance incidental to the story? There is no clear winner, and I personally prefer the former (although I hated how it made me cringe at times during my viewing of Episode II), yet the reviewers have trashed Episode II evidently preferring the latter.
The Story
The story is where Episode II shines, but to appreciate the story requires a thorough understanding of the Star Wars universe, including the so-called "Expanded Universe" -- the novels beyond the movies. The new trilogy also introduces a paradigm shift from classic Greek play of pure good vs. pure evil to modern Hegelian/Marxist dialectic. These are what made the Episode II story profound and engaging, but these evidently slipped by the reviewers.
Watching Episode II is like watching a latter-year Star Trek: The Next Generation episode -- if you weren't familiar with everything that had gone on before, you would have no idea why things were happening the way they were, and you would only be able to appreciate the surface story. You would also achieve no catharsis over long-standing mysteries being solved.
For example, the Timothy Zahn trilogy -- all one thousand pages -- of post-Return of the Jedi novels dealt entirely with the remnants of the quashed Empire scavenging old cloning equipment from the Clone Wars to resurrect the Empire. So finally being able to see clones, a clone factory, and the beginning of the Clone Wars filled in a void that I had been curious about for ten years since reading the Zahn trilogy. Zahn continually referred to the Clone Wars, but never gave any detail -- no doubt to give Lucas maximal latitude in the new movie trilogy.
The tie-ins to all the other movies in Episode II were plot-related, unlike the copycat scenes that Episode I had. Episode I gave us a pod race for the purpose of selling videogames, an Empire-like ship-monster encounter to fill time, and a throw-away bad guy introduced and killed-off in a single episode. In Episode II, nothing could be deleted without affecting the story. Episode II is efficient in the Aristotelian sense.
Hard as it is to believe to a Star Wars fan, there seem to be people who don't even remember stuff from the movies, such as Uncle Owen (and his gruesome death), Luke's workshop, Emperor Palpatine, Boba Fett (let alone his ship), Vader's mechanical hand, the Mos Eisley spaceport, and the dissolution of the Senate. Reviewers have maligned Episode II as "just another flick from the Star Wars franchise" -- as if it were a Bond flick or Woody Allen flick -- when in fact it is not a stand-alone movie but rather is an integral part of the Star Wars story, universe, and Expanded Universe.
Episode II greatly complexifies the ethics and politics of the Star Wars universe, and this has gone unappreciated by the reviewers. No longer the pure good vs. pure evil of the original trilogy, Episode II introduces us to more realistic politics driven by greed, subterfuge, deception, layers of manipulation, and shifting alliances. Episode II draws from real-world history rather than from fairy tales.
The ethics are also interesting. One would expect cloning to be viewed as immoral even this early in the Star Wars universe timeline, yet Yoda uses clones. A similar ethical situation arose last year when the ostensibly anti-abortion President Bush authorized federal funds to be used in research involving stem cell lines from already-killed embryos, under the theory that the damage has already been done. Moral theologians to this day are debating whether this was an ethical decision. Yoda's decision is interesting for the same reason.
The Hegelian dialectic is the most interesting aspect of Episode II, however. The Republic is the starting condition, the Federation the thesis, the Rebellion the antithesis, and the Empire the synthesis. Dictators throughout world history have explicitly and implicitly used this devious technique -- creating wars both to prop themselves up and to divert attention from the real issues -- to gain and retain power. In Episode II, we see the real world machinations that Palpatine has to go through to gain power, in contrast to the fairy tale unstoppable force he is in Return of the Jedi. Science fiction has always been about analogy to the real world, and science fiction fans love to analogize. It is a skill perhaps lacking in movie reviewers.
Conclusion
The romance is part of the story, and the story excels. A compressed acting schedule conspired with a compressed script to introduce a few flaws into what is otherwise a great movie. Those of the Star Wars generation complained that Episode I was aimed at kids rather than them. Well, Lucas aimed Episode II squarely at long-term Star Wars fans -- which evidently reviewers are not. I only hope that Episode III doesn't follow the Hegelian thesis-antithesis-synthesis and give us something that satisfies only Lucas.
Good maybe, but not great (Score:2)
Now, I agree with you that these points were strengths of the film. But tabulated like that, they don't seem to add up to much. Creating large universes with tie-ins is not that difficult: poor authors do it all the time (take, for instance, Piers Anthony's ghastly Xanth series). As for efficiency, any slasher flick has that. Finally, in my opinion the political ideas you expounded are not at all profound, and I would say they are far from qualifying the film as "great" alongside, say, Orwell.
Is that really all you can point to to defend your claim that the film was "great"? It seems to me you are setting your standards terribly low.
Especially when you compare the above short list to one of what the film doesn't do right: cardboard characters, atrocious acting, no sense of drama for the first 2 hours, massive cliche, insistently bland dialogue, and a nagging sense that no conflict was resolved. I count those weaknesses for much more than the few strong points you listed, so I thought AOTC was simply bad.
I can understand why you would say that it was a good movie, if you set your priorities differently. But other works do each of the points you said you enjoyed much better than AOTC. Good, maybe. But great? I don't think so.
Suggestions to make the movie better... (Score:4, Funny)
(a) a Hot Sex scene to embody Anakin's lust for Padme's body
(b) Yoda standing among the dead and wounded after the battle, crying,"God help me. I love this! I love this!" to embody his moral ambiguity
(c) Harrison Ford appearing in Cameo, driving his spinner past Anakin and Obiwan during the night chase scene, looking for replicants. To embody the tie-ins. Don't forget the Drink Coca-Cola Ads in the background.
Now, that's one movie I'll go and watch!
Re:Why the reviewers are wrong (Score:2)
Episode 1 a nesseary evil (Score:2)
Why the apparently toughtful and intelligent (based on the original trilogy) Obi-Wan would ever run the risk of training Anikin
Why Anikin begins his decent to the dark side (attatchment to mommy)
How Anikin meets his future wife
The politics which place Palpatine into power
The origins of Anikin's powers
True some of these could be done in Ep 2, but it was much easier to establish this in one film and then focus on the story later.
Re:Episode 1 a nesseary evil (Score:2)
Not evil. (Score:3, Funny)
Just ethically challenged.
She ain't no Teela Brown (EP II spoilers) (Score:3, Insightful)
- when elected queen she appoints palpatine as senator
- she calls for the vote of no confidence resulting in palpatine becoming chancellor
- she lets jarjar represent her in the senate resulting in palplatine getting supreme authority
- she pushes annikin over the edge to the dark side
The whole rise of the Empire can be directly related to her bumblings
Bah!
More signs of Padme's bad luck gene: (Score:3, Funny)
- She falls in love with a guy who has a heavy job commitment.
- She falls in love with a guy whose boss and friends are against the relationship.
- She falls in love with Hayden Christensen, but he turns into Darth Vader.
does this sound like anyone you know?
Re:She ain't no Teela Brown (EP II spoilers) (Score:2)
Re:She ain't no Teela Brown (EP II spoilers) (Score:2)
I don't think it is she that directly pushes the Soon To Be Vader(tm) over the edge. It was demonstrated that his first outing with the darkside (fear->anger->hate) was caused by the death of his mother. So this leads me to believe that the event that will lead to his eventual rise to the power of the darkside will be the death of the Queen/Senator.
Further analysis--remember from Ep IV/V/VI, it was Vader who led the hunting down of all the remaining Jedi. So, not only does he fall to the darkside, but somewhere in that event, he must feel that the Jedi betrayed him--my guess is that they, from his point-of-view, prevent him from saving Amidala's life. He's pissed, and specifically at the Jedi, when he becomes Vader.
Just my $0.02.
Re:She ain't no Teela Brown (EP II spoilers) (Score:2)
Re:She ain't no Teela Brown (EP II spoilers) (Score:2)
Or Amidala sees what he has/will become, and turns away or rejects him.
Hard on contractors? (Score:3, Funny)
Mod this idiot up (Score:2)
catssspajamas@hellokitty.com
(Remove pajamas to email.)
It all begins innocently enough... (Score:5, Funny)
NOTICE TO PRIME CONTRACTORS
Sealed bids will be received until 2:00 PM, June 30, Stardate 45603 in the Conference Room, Imperial Building Services, Construction Section, Mail Stop 101, Coruscant, for the following:
PLUMBERS, ALUMINUM SIDERS, ROOFERS FOR MILITARY STATION (SPACED-BASED):
There will be mandatory Pre-Bid Conference held at 10:00 AM on June 5, Stardate 45603 at Imperial Building THX-1138. Bidders failing to attend this meeting forfeit the right to submit a bid. Imperial Construction Section reserves the right to schedule additional meetings, if it is determined to be in the best interest of the Empire or dark side of the Force.
Engineers: Hutt and Kenobi, LLC., Tatooine.
OT! (Score:2, Funny)
1. "She may not look like much, but she's got it where it counts, kid."
2. "Curse my metal body, I wasn't fast enough!"
3. "Look at the size of that thing!"
4. "Sorry about the mess..."
5. "You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought."
6. "Aren't you a little short for a stormtrooper?"
7. "You've got something jammed in here real good."
8. "Put that thing away before you get us all killed!"
9. "Luke, at that speed do you think you'll be able to pull out in time?"
10. "Get in there you big furry oaf, I don't care *what* you smell!"
Top Ten Sexually Tilted Lines in "The Empire Strikes Back"
1. "And I thought they smelled bad...on the *outside*!"
2. "Possible he came in through the south entrance."
3. "I must've hit it pretty close to the mark to get her all riled up like that, huh kid?"
4. "Hurry up, golden-rod..."
5. "That's okay, I'd like to keep it on manual control for a while."
6. "But now we must eat. Cum, good food, cummm..."
7. "Control, control! You must learn control!"
8. "There's an awful lot of moisture in here."
9. "Size matters not. Judge me by my size, do you?"
10. "I thought that hairy beast would be the end of me!"
Top Ten Sexually Tilted Lines in "Return of the Jedi"
1. "Rise, my friend."
2. "Open the back door!"
3. "Hey, point that thing somewhere else!"
4. "It's just a dead animal..."
5. "Not bad for a little furball."
6. "How can they be jamming us if they don't know we're coming?"
7. "Come here, I won't hurt you. You want something to eat?"
8. "Keep on that one, I'll take these two"
9. "I want you to take her. I mean it, take her!"
10. "I don't think the Empire had wookies in mind when they designed her, Chewie."
WHATT!!?!?!?! (Score:2)
WHAT! Ben Dies in Clones? I haven't seen it yet. Now you've spoiled it for all of us. At least give us a spoiler warning before blurting something like that out. GEEEEEEZ!
I remember when a friend of mine skipped out of High School to go see Empires on opening day, then came back and just blurted out that Vader was Lukes father. I almost killed him for it. Now you've blown it for all of us. THANKS A LOT.
Re:WHATT!!?!?!?! (Score:2)
I have to defend Slashdot, though, in not adding a SPOILER alert to that one. I mean, anyone who has not seen "Star Wars" yet really should not expect spoiler alerts for that movie. Vader kills Ben towards the end of "Star Wars." I mean, you even gave away the spoiler to "Empire."
Oh, wait, you said "Ben dies in Clones?"
That is not a very smart question, then...
Wrong movie entirely. Sorry...
Palpatine's cousin Sal....... (Score:2, Funny)
weekly standard article (Score:2, Informative)
At 1st glance I thought you meant American Empire (Score:2)
Clauses (Score:2, Funny)
"(c) By using this Death Star, you are subject to any consequences caused by using this product. The Empire, Inc. is not responsible for any loss of data or life from this product...
And so on.
Perhaps not. (Score:5, Interesting)
The one big problem with this article, IMHO, is that the author deliberately doesn't take the expanded universe into account. The movies can only cover so much ground, and certainly a lot of details of the Empire are missing -- many of which are filled in in the expanded universe.
The way I see it, this is like examining World War II solely from the perspective of Saving Private Ryan. Sure, Speilberg *implies* that the Axis is evil, but all we really see is the Allies invading the Axis, so whose to say that the Axis is truly evil?
Of course, we know better, but that's because we have the complete picture, not just the subset presented in a single movie. The same goes for the Empire. Lucas implies that it is evil, but we only see a small subset of it in the films -- the Empire is attacked by rebels, hellbent on overthrowing it. The expanded universe however, with Lucas's authorization (which effectively makes it canon), fills in many of the details proving that it truly is evil.
Finally: even if you stubbornly subscribe to the notion that only the ideas that come directly from George Lucas's mind are canon, you still have to face the fact that George says that the Empire is evil, and even if he fails to give enough empirical evidence for this, what he says, goes.
Re:Perhaps not. (Score:2)
Re:Perhaps not. (Score:2)
> aristocracy, concerned with their own personal
> loss of power. It's not a popular uprising.
Yeah, that explains how Solo, a former smuggler becomes a general, Calrissian, a former smuggler, becomes a general, Ackbar, a former slave, becomes an admiral, Skywalker, a moisture farmer's nephew, becomes a Jedi Knight, etc.
Clearly, the Rebellion had a number of influential members of the old Republic in it, but it was hardly composed only of displaced aristocracy.
Funny... (Score:2)
Re:Perhaps not. (Score:2)
The way I see it, this is like examining World War II solely from the perspective of Saving Private Ryan.
Well, the difference is that WWII actually happened. So it would have happened even without Saving Private Ryan. Star Wars is just a product of George Lucas imagination. No George Lucas - no Star Wars. This entire "expanded universe" stuff is just a bunch of B-rate science fiction authors leeching off the Star Wars brand name.
Re:It is a period of civil war. (Score:2)
Ta-ta-ta TAAAAA, Ta, Ta-Ta-ta-ta...
Ta-ta-ta TAAAAA, Ta, Ta-ta-ta-ta..
di-di-diiiiii, di-di-di-di-di-dididi-di-di-diiii,
di-di-diiiiii
di-di-diiiiii, di-di-di-di-di-dididi-di-di-diiii,
To-to-CHA_CHA_CHA, CHA_CHA_CHA_CHA_CHA_CHA_CHA (Ta-ta-taaaaa)....
(can't have that without John Williams track)
They're there... (Score:2)
- The pod race
- The Naboo court
- The Jedi Council
- The bar on Coruscant
- The Mos Eisly Cantina
- The X-Wing hanger
- The medal ceremony
- The control room on Hoth
- Running from the Empire on Bespin
- Jabba's palace
- The briefing before the battle of the second Death Star
Mind, those are all from memory...I've probably forgotten a scene or two...Empire is specist (Score:2)
I liked those... (Score:2)
Definitely a reversion to the old Star Wars style. Star Wars was meant to be entertainment...not a treatise on the world.
Re:Giant weapons of destruction only get you so fa (Score:2)
DennyK
Riding, not marksmanship! (Score:2)
Re:Riding, not marksmanship! (Score:2)
Damn you, George! Release the trilogy on DVD so I can watch them again and not make these stupid mistakes!
Tie Fighter (Score:2)
Anyone who thinks the Empire is evil clearly has not played Star Wars: Tie Fighter. Damn Rebel Scum, always trying to disrupt Order just so they don't have to pay taxes. Ah well, nothing my TIE Advanced can't handle...
Tie Fighter still has to rank in the top five space sims. What a great game.
Subtle criticism of Bush Administration? (Score:2)
> of the present suckful tyrant.
Not just Obi-Wan's comments about politicians being beholden to the people that finance their campaigns, either.
Anybody else notice the expansion of emergency powers for Palpatine is a lot like the expansion of investigation powers through the PATRIOT Act that have been awarded to Ashcroft and the like?
What about the way that Obi-Wan defeats Fett's guided missile in the asteroid belt in the exact same way that one would defeat a "Star Wars" type missile defense system (by dropping debris in the missile's path)?
It seems like Lucas was making some poignant political criticisms in this installment.
Re:Subtle criticism of Bush Administration? (Score:2)
As for Palpatine's "emergency powers", that's sort of a classic maneuver by dictators on the rise. It's a tradition dating back to the Greeks, at least.
Re:Subtle criticism of Bush Administration? (Score:2)
Maybe its just a movie.