Cartoon Network Serves Up More Anime 331
E-Rock-23 writes "Anime News Network has the scoop on more Anime series Cartoon Network plans to bring to the Adult Swim block next year. Witch Hunter Robin (2) has been confirmed for a February run. On the "Probably" list are Wolf's Rain in April and Ghost in the Shell in July, though they didn't specify if it'd be the Mamoru Oshii film or the Stand Alone Complex TV series. Either way, the latter will most likely have to be rather heavily edited for TV. Looks like I have a few more reasons to stay up past my bedtime..." Or get a tivo. Witch Hunter Robin & Wolf's Rain are both really excellent shows- it's very cool to see them hit mainstream TV.
I just want to know... (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:I just want to know... (Score:3, Interesting)
Dunno, Maybe on the Anime Network late at night. who knows. ;)
Re:I just want to know... (Score:2)
Yesterday, the day before that, and the one before that, etc. Here in Norway, the only things that are dubbed are programs and movies for children under 11-12 and often the narration on documentaries. Other than that, every foreign piece of video is subtitled.
It's quite amusing, since so very few shows are dubbed, the same people are recurring. You can hear Papa Smurf (played by Harald Maele) in most of them :)
not for awhile (Score:5, Insightful)
The market for subbed-only anime is still very small, that's why studios work hard to ensure all the DVD releases have a dub track (preferably a good one). Trying to put subbed-only anime, even on late night, isn't going to keep enough people watching to pay the advertising dollars.
Re:I just want to know... (Score:2, Funny)
When the ambient temperature in Hades drops below zero degrees Centigrade.
Re:I just want to know... (Score:5, Interesting)
If your complaint instead has to do with the quality of the voice acting, well I still think it's lame in that you won't fully get to know how good the original voice acting was if you can't understand what words they're actually emphasizing.
Sit back and enjoy the show. If you're that much of a purist, rent the DvDs when they come and they'll probably have an original language track with subtitles.
Re:I just want to know... (Score:5, Insightful)
If you're six years old then the latter is probably more interesting (for example who can stand the sound of Barney's voice for more than a minute except a six year old?), but to me I prefer the more natural voice (even though it was from a woman, her voice was rather ambiguous in that way and it did seem to fit Kenshin).
Re:I just want to know... (Score:2, Informative)
God I really freakin' can't stand this old excuse.
Dub scripts are always edited to match the mouth movements of the animation. Dubbed vocal inflection is always ruined by attempts to make the words fit the mouth movements. Subtitles are not subje
Re:I just want to know... (Score:2)
There's a few exceptions of course. Primarily the big-name stars Disney brings into their Ghilbi translations.
Your namesake [imdb.com], for example, was entirely decent until electro-reverb Gillian Anderson showed up. "Kikki's Delivery Service" was also quite tolerable, even though they inserted a stream of new sidekick chatter everytime the characters were offscreen.
Re:I just want to know... (Score:2)
Re:I just want to know... (Score:2)
Subtitle scripts are limited only by the talent of the translators. Dubs are limited by the casting directors, voice directors, and actors.
Subtitles have to be readable in the time alloted, and they do make them more concise to achieve that. Dubs are not subject to that limitation.
Re:I just want to know... (Score:4, Informative)
Always is a pretty harsh term. Sometimes the dubbing house gets stuff right. Like, say, Cowboy Bebop? Big O? (pretty much the same US voice cast).
I'll have to agree that for the vast majority of anime, I've always preferred subbed vs. dubbed versions. Something about Bebop... I actually preferred the dubbed version over subtitles. The characters' voices seemed better matched to me -- and the acting was good enough to make me cry like a baby during the final episode.
I have a theory: the more anime becomes mainstream in the US (ever look at the anime aisle in Best Buy?), the more likely we are to have good dubs vs. the Speed Racer / Pokemon dreck. Meaning that the dub houses are going to spend time and energy getting them right.
But, you have to admit, if it's going to be shown on a network -- you've got your 99% chance of it *needing* to be dubbed. Cartoon Network, especially. You're dealing with a) kids and b) people who rent Crouching Tiger and take it back because they've gotta read and c) people who treat the material a little more seriously.
We're part of group C, but the minority.
It is changing, though. Slowly.
Re:I just want to know... (Score:2)
The largest is probably the... horible casting. It just feels... wrong... to watch some japanese woman with a US southern accent. Mind you, if she was a japanese woman who LIVED in the southern US states it would be different... (Ive heard some hard core North American accents from some very asian faces before.)
The other issue I have,... and mind you this is not always an issue... But the subs tend to take a lot of liberties. Generally in the form of quips or
Re:I just want to know... (Score:2, Insightful)
There actually is a big difference and it's all about timing .
See, different languages have different words and syntax and thus it can take varying amounts of time to say the same thing in Japanese and in English.
So, a dubbed film must fit all the voice acting into the same amount of time as the original meaning that you not only have to translate the text but you have to make it fit. So, if it takes 130 seconds to say the equivelant of "I love you" in Japanese, an English Dub will have to fill that sp
Re:I just want to know... (Score:2)
Some dub writers even change parts of the story to suit their whims or to regear it to a different (usu. younger) audience. By many accounts that seem to have a decent understanding of Japanese, this happens to the subtitles far less often.
Re:I just want to know... (Score:2)
" If your complaint instead has to do with the quality of the voice acting, well I still think it's lame in that you won't fully get to know how good the original voice acting was if you can't understand what words they're actually emphasizing."
The first part is exactly the problem, voice actors are usually horrible and cast by people who 'market the product for American audiences.' Rent the Cowboy Bebop movie and watch the interview extras at the end. Pay close attention to the two women who voiced Fae's c
Re:I just want to know... (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:I just want to know... (Score:3, Interesting)
The Cartoon Network played the final episode the week after they mixed up and played a repeat. They pushed their special "Family Guy" episode back just so they could fix their mistake and so fans only had to wait two weeks to see the final Big O episode. Sorry you missed it - it was very trippy.
Re:I just want to know... (Score:5, Interesting)
I'm not sure if they'd made any progress on this, but I believe ADV has at least tossed the idea around a bit for their Anime Channel. It'd have to use a combination of closed captioning and SAP, but it's not impossible. Just have to figure out if the demand is high enough and what the related costs are. I feel that, for the most part, the US anime industry has a much better connection with their fans than a lot of more mainstream entertainment entities (RIAA, MPAA, etc).
Re:I just want to know... (Score:2, Informative)
Dubbing does have its sides, if it's done right. If you're from a culture where dubbing is the standard (say, Germany), subtitles would be horrible. Sometimes the dub even gets better than the original Japanese audio, but that's usually if the series doesn't take place in Japan per se (example: Cowboy Bebop).
If you're from a smaller lingual area of influence, say, Finland, it's far more likely that you've grown up watching foreign TV series subtitled. Therefore it feels much more jarring to see people who
Short Answer is: No (Score:5, Interesting)
In Japan they have plenty of US movies and TV shows but are they subtitled? The Japanese like hearing things in their native language which is why its in Japanese in the first place. On this side of the Pacific, the US Anime Industry has advanced pretty far. The quality of scripts have gone up since translators have access to even more material than they used to (including the production staff!!!). The quality of actors has gone up since it has been shown you can make money acting. There really is no reason to ask for a sub unless you really really really want to her you favorite actress. The casual and non-fan viewers are definately not interested in that.
I like raw shows as much as any hardcore fan but people have to realize there are many more people out there than the hardcore otaku fandom. Getting causual and non-fans to sit down and watch subtitled material is hard. Having people watch Robin and SAC is great! Its better than having these shows sit only in Anime fandom obscurity.
Re:Short Answer is: No (Score:2)
Re:Short Answer is: No (Score:2)
There are number of movies like speghetti westerns that I've seen that are in Japanese. The grand point is that the Japanese like watching things in Japanese. For some odd reason its bad for Americans to watch things in English? *shrug*
ps. Fansubs are the only way to watch shows? I [cdjapan.co.jp] beg [cdjapan.co.jp] to [cdjapan.co.jp] differ [cdjapan.co.jp]. Of course no one ever thinks about watching it off the air raw. ^_^
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Re:I just want to know... (Score:2)
Greetings,
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Greetings,
Re:I just want to know... (Score:2)
it's much cheaper too, so you can do it with low budget. have you seen really sucky subs? and anything that isn't the box office hitter thing is going to get sucky dubs. doing high quality dubs can be fucking expensive so you don't often see them done around here(except for high class childrens movies, usually disneys, which u
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Hands across the Tivo (Score:4, Insightful)
*upper lip trembling* you mean there are poor souls out there that actually lack this essential technology?
Seriously, if it weren't for Tivo I'd never catch my fix of Twilight Zone reruns and Enterprise. I do Tivo Anime Crash [animecrash.com] on TechTV, but some of the Anime they show is a little esoteric for my tastes. So, a lot of that gets deleted before I have a chance to watch it.
My friend Mike got slashdotted [slashdot.org] recently pointing out that Time Warner cable is rolling out Tivo to their users for something on the order of less than $10 a month...and at no cost to the subscriber for the box!Pretty sweet deal considering that I paid slightly over $400 for the Sony DirctTV/Tivo combo box. That particular combination is a pretty sweet deal. I guess I could regret having shelled out that much money in light of Mike's cable deal. But...naaahhh. How can you regret shelling out for such a life-affirming technology?
I just checked with my registrar [godaddy.com] and it looks like tivoaid.com is still open. I think I may buy that domain to start a worthy cause....
On a sort of related note (Score:2)
It was Cartoon Network's airing of Cowboy Bebop that soured me on Enterprise. After witnessing the gritty exploits of Spike, Jet, Faye, Ed and even Ein, I could no longer stomach the goody two-shoes of Enterprise. All I could remember was Captain Puss^H^H^H^H Archer curling up into a little ball as a bunch of Andorans stole his lunch money or something.
I own the DVD boxed set of Bebop (and the movie, which wa
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Re:Hands across the Tivo (Score:2)
Re:Hands across the Tivo (Score:2)
sig? (Score:2)
Re:Hands across the Tivo (Score:4, Informative)
The Tivo is nice, solid, and bug-free, whereas the TW DVR crashes frequently, forgets recordings, and has a host of bugs that nobody at TW seems to care to correct.
-9mm-
Re:Hands across the Tivo (Score:2, Insightful)
Tivo doesn't give you a second of your life "back"; all it does is allow you to shuffle television around your life, instead of your life around television. Who is in control of when you watch television doesn't change the fact that the television is still the one in control.
"You no longer have to be there when the show is on, or do the constant shuffling of tapes and schedules on a VCR."
You don't need a Tivo for that; try turning the fucking thing off. It's cheaper
Ranma 1/2 (Score:3, Funny)
Little bit o' the inside scoop (Score:2, Interesting)
From all impressions I get, editing won't be too bad. But the creepiest thing is that the series has 3 experimental spider-tank characters, who supposedly start out as a 'hive mind', but begin to develop individuality over the course of se
Re:Little bit o' the inside scoop (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Little bit o' the inside scoop (Score:2)
A friend of mine commented that if he worked for Section 9, he wouldn't get anything DONE with Maj. Kusanagi walking around in that thing all the time. That may be part of it.
Maybe she's an exhibitionist or something. I mean, she's a full-body-replacement cyborg who apparently
Don't forget (Score:5, Interesting)
The new SpaceGoasts CTC have been great as well as all of the other ones. (Sealab2021, ATHF, Brak Show)
Even after the death of Harry Goz (1932 - 2003),voice of Captin Murphy on Sealab 2021, the show has bounced back imo and did a good new ep.
Thanks Cartoon Network. I'm not a big fan of Anime (Cowboy Beebob as one of the BIG exceptions.) but you still have given me a reason to stay up late every night.
Re:Don't forget (Score:2)
After reading that minor, humorous typo, I couldn't help but think of my sig.
Re:Don't forget (Score:4, Insightful)
While it is true that Harry Goz did pass away, rumors of new episodes without his voicework are exaggerated.
Williams Street had just completed work on a new season of Sealab before Harry Goz died, and so all the episodes running in this season are his final work. They aren't put together weekly.
Re:Don't forget (Score:2)
Re:Don't forget (Score:2)
Family Guy, Futurama, Mission Hill, and even that weird one the Oblongs. All good stuff. (And I would argue that the 1st 3 should still be in production today!)
Oh, and I do know that it is Cowboy Beebop. Heh, and I even previewed.
Re:Don't forget (Score:2)
Re:Don't forget (Score:2)
GitS: Stand Alone Complex won't need much editing (Score:2)
Re:GitS: Stand Alone Complex won't need much editi (Score:2)
Most of the stuff you see in GitS:SAC will, I thing, be pretty much easy for them to cut.
(And I want the shiny DVDs!)
Re:Except for, that's not true.. (Score:2)
Standalone Complex (Score:5, Interesting)
Of course, perhaps the good/bad stuff is in the last few episodes I don't have. I can't seem to get the last DVD. One of my local Anime dealers told me that this is intentional - He said that the producers of these (non-US) releases don't release the last DVD until they release the whole series as a boxed set. Their plan is to force all the fools (like myself) who bought the single DVDs to buy them all again in the boxed set in order to get the last episodes.
Can anyone confirm or debunk this theory?
- Tim
Re:Standalone Complex (Score:2)
The show is not about violence.
Re:Standalone Complex (Score:2)
Can you post some more info on the set that you purchased? You mentioned that they are imported from Taiwan, so that makes me wonder if they are, in fact, bootlegs. There are some legitimate Taiwanese releases, so I don't want to make a huge assumption, but this idea of forcing someone to re-purchase the entire series just to get the ending doesn't sound quite right to me. I could possibly understand if this was done and two different sets had different extras, but restricting access to the shows itself
Re:Standalone Complex (Score:2)
My DVDs are region-free, Japanese audio with Chinese and English subtitles. I claim they're imported from Taiwan only because the DVD cases had additional cardboard overlays under the shrink-wrap that were apparently added by a Taiwanese distributor. These overlays had the title translated into Chinese ("something-or-other infantry"), along with contact information for the distributor and a short list of their other prod
Re:Standalone Complex (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Standalone Complex (Score:2)
I'm not sure which part makes me more angry: the fact that they sold me bootlegged DVDs, or the fact that they charged $20US each for them. As Chibi said, it's a "double-whammy".
- Tim
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Re:Standalone Complex (Score:3, Informative)
Can anyone confirm or debunk this theory?
I've seen where the producer will release either the first DVD (too many titles to name) or the last DVD (FLCL) in a box designed to hold all of the DVD's in the series.
Re:Standalone Complex (Score:2)
Sweet zombie Jesus! I'm sure they'll find something.
Wolf's Rain, Robin, and Others (Score:2)
Witch Hunter Robin was good right up to the end. The very last episode was a little weak, but it was not bad. It was only worse than the previous episodes in that series.
Personally, I think the best serieses deserving a run right now ar
Re:Wolf's Rain, Robin, and Others (Score:2)
My Take (Score:2)
FMP:F deserves to go on TV though, although I found the original boring and unoriginal. I
Re:My Take (Score:2)
Witch Hunter Robin is a good series, IMO, but not superb or anything. Probably about the same level of Wolf's Rain and Noir. Good but not great due to certain flaws that can get annoying.
Last Exile is a great show though. I really like the wa
Re:My Take (Score:2)
Re:Wolf's Rain, Robin, and Others (Score:2)
Re:Wolf's Rain, Robin, and Others (Score:2)
Narutaru most misadvertised show EVER (Score:2)
Then the abuse and slaughter cuts in.
And boy, does it get nasty. By the 13th episode anyone who isn't completely dead inside will be
Rurouni Kenshin (Score:2)
Most anime on US TV is censored.... (Score:2, Informative)
Who wants to watch raped versions anyway ? Just stick to the original DVD's for the true anime experience.
Re:Most anime on US TV is censored.... (Score:2)
How about an Adult Swim channel? (Score:5, Insightful)
Seriously, suppose Cartoon Network spun off a sister-station, and cable networks made it an optional channel to standard packages, who's purpose was to show anime in its raw form? Parents have the option for nudity and cursing on HBO & Cinemax, and they also have the control whether they want that stuff in their home or not. If you don't want it, the cable company can block it.
I'm not saying that we need a cartoon Spice channel (not that there's any shortage of hentai), just that there should be some medium for your average movie where you can catch the whole thing. The Cartoon Network has an image to keep as a channel for kids (the alternative to Nickelodeon), and they can't risk someones child staying up late and catching some unedited Vampire Hunter D.
Adult Swim has this nostalgic aura about it now (GiJoe, He-Man)
There's something that bugs me about watching a show or movie when I know that it has been edited by some middleman... The director of the project had an artistic vision and those scenes & language capture the intent. You can't express the story of the rough mafia men in the Sopranos without the occasional trip to the strip club... this is what tells the story of men making bad choices and dealing with the consequences.
this has been mentioned before (Score:2)
An AS-only channel would just be another MTV2. It'd be cool for a while before getting much worse as executives realized its audience can only be expanded so far. Oh, and I wouldn't get it from my cable provider.
If you haven't noticed, CN airs a lot of crap. Sure, the kids-home-from-school to stoned-college-students-call-it-a-night hours have mostly good stuff. If you
Re:How about an Adult Swim channel? (Score:2)
(Not that CN doesn't already have its own spinoff: there's Boomerang, which is pretty much all old Hanna Barbera stuff. Don't know how well that network's doing...)
As for the editing issue... blame the anime companies thems
Re:How about an Adult Swim channel? (Score:2)
Thus since Boomerang does not seem to have much popularity (of course I could be totally wrong, it could be on every cable providor except the two i'v
Adult Swim has not been editing some shows (Score:4, Informative)
And let's not forget the latest season of Inuyasha is uncut [animenation.net]...gory demon deaths abound...
It is called ADULT Swim after all.
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Re:Adult Swim has not been editing some shows (Score:2)
Ok, maybe that's a bad example - but what they left in was pretty gory! Its a far cry from the invisible blood and digital bikinis of Gundam Wing days...
Re:Adult Swim has not been editing some shows (Score:3, Insightful)
Now, Furikuri is something I'm surprised to see on Cartoon Network. I find it hard to believe that edits were light, at least. What time are they showing that?
I don't know what the editing in Inuyasha is like. I don't see too much that needs editing, though, since the action is so unrealistic. Maybe Jakotsu will be edited to be "not as gay" when they reach the Shichinintai story arc (after episode 100).
BTW - Parent Editorial about FLCL on CN (Score:3, Interesting)
Neither could this woman [tribnet.com] (she obviously doesn't understand the concept of "Adult" Swim).
Anime Network? (Score:4, Interesting)
Anime has the same appeal. So, whats holding the networks from making an Anime Network? Certainly, there should be enough variety and enough material to make one.
(I'm hopeing some of it has to do with the voice dubbing. Please get better English voices, or just leave the Japanese voices in with subtitles.)
On a related note... GTO on Showtime! (Score:3, Informative)
In case you didnt know (Score:2)
Re:In case you didnt know (Score:2)
ADV is completely remastering the original Robotech series from the original film stock. In addition, the sound is being remixed to 5.1 and additional scenes (originally cut for violence, etc.) are being re-added. So if you really like Robotech, yo
Re:In case you didnt know (Score:2)
And I compared it to GI Joe as well ;-)
Full Metal Panic 2 (Score:3, Informative)
It's just the original Full Metal Panic [animenfo.com], without most of the serious stuff. For those who doesn't know, the original Full Metal Panic had Sagara Souske, a professional solider/teenager (with absolutely -zero- common sense and social skills) assigned to protect Chidori Kaname from the Russians because she is one of the 'Whispered', people who are born with 'Black' technology. Sagara is part of Mithril, a self-appointed military division. (Taken from animenfo.com)
Full Metal Panic 2 (Also known as Full Metal Panic : Fumoffu) is more about Sagara and Chidori than about the whole Mithril thing. I mean, he blows up his shoebox with plastic explosives because he found a hair in front of his shoebox and thought that someone sent him a mailbomb, when in fact it was a love letter.
One of my favourite episodes was the Rugby one (ep 10), and it was aired just before the World Cup started. Turning a team of pansies into killers... bwahahahahahhaa
Anyhow, FMP2 is a great series and I suggest you check it out while it's still unlicensed. Also, FMP3 is rumored to be in the planning and will focus more of the military-side of things. Which I find very interesting as well. And if I didn't mention it eariler, FMP contains mecha called Arm Slaves (AS), and Souske is a good pilot of it. FMP2 contains a mechanized teddy bear costume named 'Bonta-kun' [deviantart.com], that Sousuke made himself after he stole the costume from a theme park, and he absolutely kicks ASS!
Re:Also unlikely... (Score:2)
However, Ranma is pretty unlikely due to the excessive nudity. Of course, they can censor that stuff, but it's also kinda old.
Re:There is a danger here ... (Score:2)
agreed (Score:2)
Re:I've asked before (Score:2)
But, in more depth:
Anime has, in several instances, a lot more freedom than you see on American TV. The fact that it often will not pull punches when American TV does is what makes some of it more engaging.
Also, some anime attempts to make encapsulated storylines, while most all American TV attempts to make something which can run eternally. Possibly the best thing about anime is the 13 episode series. It is a different medium than I see in th
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Re:Pretty wolves... (Score:2)
There are some prominent female characters who serve as love interests (or at least psuedo love interests). Heck, the whole thing pretty much has the four main characters fighting to protect Cheza (the flower girl). That and Hige "hooks up" with Blue towards the end.
My major problem with Wolf's Rain is that the ending of Episode 26 doesn't explain a damn thing abou
Re:Witch Hunter Robin (Score:3, Insightful)
OBVIOUSLY Robin isn't attractive whatsoever because she doesn't run around like a bimbo in a skimpy outfit or have extensive shower/hotspring/near-nude sequences.
Not every anime is made to fuel the sexual fantasies of teenage boys. Go watch Love Hina if you want that.
Re:Witch Hunter Robin (Score:2)
I'll assume you haven't seen the series
But you can't say this because she sleeps naked, although all you see is her back (and there is a bath scene)
Re:Witch Hunter Robin (Score:2)
You have just made me laugh for the first time today.
Re:A Word On "All-Anime Channels" (Score:2)
It is *easy* for a single channel to offer this stuff.
Use SAP to allow selection of your audio language (typically done in shows to offer alternative spanish sound in the US), and use closed captioning for subtitles.
I know, closed captioning is ugly, but no company is going to piss away the resources to allocate two channels for what is an admittedly niche group in general. Dub anime is more widespread, and making the push for Closed Captioning/SAP delivery of subtitle fo
No. (Score:2)
B) Nobody could afford to license the TV rights for enough anime to cover a whole channel
C) Even if you had access to every anime ever produced, it still wouldn't be enough for one channel and you'd be showing stuff over and over again once you'd gone through it all.
D) What market the channel would have can't watch TV all day. Huge swaths of time would have essentially no viewership.
E) That wouldn't stop the market from trying to watch as much as possible, and they
Re:Anime offends me (Score:2)
UROSUKIDOJI!!!! (Score:3, Funny)
hhehehehe