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Winamp Alpha for Linux

Posted by CmdrTaco on Sun Oct 14, 2001 08:23 AM
from the what-exactly-is-the-point dept.
nerdguy0 writes "It appears that Winamp isn't just for Windows anymore. Nullsoft has a Linux alpha of Winamp3 out on their site. Hopefully it doesn't overshadow all of the hard work the XMMS people have done." Does winamp have better playlist controls then xmms? I've taken to using freeamp just because it has decent playlist controls. I say decent, not good. I want something with a tivo type of intelligence, but everything that claims to do something like this, well, doesn't.
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  • what about... (Score:5, Funny)

    by 2MuchC0ffeeMan (201987) on Sunday October 14 2001, @08:25AM (#2426645) Homepage
    all those windows dynamic link library (.dll) plugins?

    • Re:what about... (Score:5, Insightful)

      by XNormal (8617) <xnormal@gmail.com> on Sunday October 14 2001, @09:06AM (#2426733) Homepage
      Recently there have been a few projects using a subset of wine to support some subset of Win32 for some specific purpose (codecs, games etc). This looks like a possible application for this technology. I wouldn't be surprised if WinAMP itself is being ported with the aid of winelib.
      [ Parent ]
    • Re:what about... by Anonymous Coward (Score:2) Sunday October 14 2001, @09:35AM
    • Re:what about... by Technician (Score:3) Sunday October 14 2001, @10:10AM
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  • Download it! (Score:4, Informative)

    by little_fluffy_clouds (441841) on Sunday October 14 2001, @08:29AM (#2426649)
    It's 1.4MB in size, and is only available as an rpm.

    http://download.nullsoft.com/winamp/client/Winamp- 0.a1-1.i386.rpm [nullsoft.com]

  • Start For Scratch by JohnHegarty (Score:1) Sunday October 14 2001, @08:29AM
  • Playlists by smartin (Score:1) Sunday October 14 2001, @08:31AM
    • Re:Playlists by rtaylor (Score:2) Sunday October 14 2001, @08:42AM
      • Re:Playlists by mistered (Score:1) Sunday October 14 2001, @11:16AM
    • Re:Playlists by bLanark (Score:1) Monday October 15 2001, @05:52AM
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  • by trexl (16434) on Sunday October 14 2001, @08:32AM (#2426656) Homepage
    and alpha is a very good way to describe the results thus far. The player plays well, and will handle their streams, however there was no way to add anything but files. It seemed to me that it ran very slowly, and affected the performance of the other apps on the machine(a Dell laptop 850MHZ/256MBRAM) quite a bit. These are alpha kind of things, and by no means did I do a thorough evaluation. I am truly excited about this product coming to Linux as evidenced by my nearly immediate download, although it will be very difficult to get me away from all of my presets in xmms ... but I'll be playing with it.

  • Winamp authors (Score:5, Insightful)

    by GoatPigSheep (525460) on Sunday October 14 2001, @08:32AM (#2426657) Homepage Journal
    Hopefully it doesn't overshadow all of the hard work the XMMS people have done.
    Who's to say the winamp people haven't done hard work either? Just because they have corporate sponsorship and their software is closed-source doesn't mean the software is 'bad'. Besides, if there are already good players available for linux, I doubt people would switch to a closed-source solution that does the exact same thing, unless it offered superior features of some kind. Anyway, this should be considered a good thing, as linux needs as much support as it can get when it comes to multimedia applications, and especially ones from big companies (in this case, AOL)
  • I thought Xmms == winamp by Beowulf_Boy (Score:1) Sunday October 14 2001, @08:33AM
  • Not entirely true... (Score:4, Informative)

    by Jon Chatow (25684) <slashdot@jdforrester.org> on Sunday October 14 2001, @08:35AM (#2426669) Homepage
    Winamp Mac edition has been in alpha-stage for quite some time (I've been using it for over 4 months, personally).

    I like Winamp, but, no, the playlist randomisation is purely random - it doesn't randomise within a genre or the like, for example.
  • Choices of GUI mp3 players by little_fluffy_clouds (Score:2) Sunday October 14 2001, @08:44AM
    • GQmpeg by spauldo (Score:1) Sunday October 14 2001, @10:07PM
      • Re:GQmpeg by spauldo (Score:1) Monday October 15 2001, @10:37AM
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  • Windows Media by Moderator (Score:1) Sunday October 14 2001, @08:44AM
    • Re:Windows Media by demon (Score:1) Sunday October 14 2001, @04:07PM
    • Re:Windows Media by man_ls (Score:1) Sunday October 14 2001, @06:27PM
    • mplayer by spauldo (Score:1) Sunday October 14 2001, @10:13PM
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  • Won't even run for me.. (Score:4, Informative)

    by Eivind (15695) <eivindorama@gmail.com> on Sunday October 14 2001, @08:44AM (#2426687) Homepage
    Very Alpha I'd say. With my Mdk 8.1 system and Xfree 4.1.0 the player won't even start. They start it with a shellscript that redirects all error-reporting to /dev/null, After I uncomment that and run it again I see that it fails with:

    libpng warning: Incomplete compressed datastream in iCCP chunk
    libpng warning: Profile size field missing from iCCP chunk
    libpng warning: Incomplete compressed datastream in iCCP chunk
    libpng warning: Profile size field missing from iCCP chunk
    X Error of failed request: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)
    Major opcode of failed request: 72 (X_PutImage)
    Serial number of failed request: 5011
    Current serial number in output stream: 5012

    Ofcourse since it's closed-source I can't even begin to guess what's causing that. Anyone else have any luck running the player under mdk 8.1 ?
  • Huh? by imipak (Score:2) Sunday October 14 2001, @08:45AM
  • playlist controls (Score:4, Informative)

    by seanw (45548) on Sunday October 14 2001, @08:47AM (#2426698)
    this seems like good news in general, but I also get the feelin a lot of work will be duplicated by the Winamp and XMMS people.

    on the top of the poster's list was playlist controls. I totally agree, and I am shouting at whoever is listening...LOOK at iTunes!! anyone who has ever had the good fortune to use iTunes knows what I'm talking about. it is hands down the most powerful, flexible (and beautiful) music interface I have ever used, and I would pay money for it, without hesitation, should someone port a similar scheme to linux.

    regards,
    sean
  • (Winamp3 == Soundjam)? (Score:3, Informative)

    by Bonker (243350) on Sunday October 14 2001, @08:55AM (#2426709)
    I had a buddy who went to work for C&G a little while back. After a few months, he left that job and then went to work for a Newspaper.

    A little bit ago, I heard that Cassidy and Greene was discontinuing Soundjam, which was really quite an incredible (closed source, alas) audio player for Mac. They're now working on iTunes, or something similiar.

    When I played with the Winamp 3 alpha, I couldn't help but think how closely it resembled Soundjam in terms of features and skinnability. About the only feature it was missing that Soundjam had was a built in CDRipper/Encoder. I dunno. Is that in the new beta? NS seems to have replaced that with it's rather overdone playlist database.

    There's you Tivo-like Playlist, Taco.

    At any rate, I found the Winamp Alphas to be quite processor intensive, even on a P3 500 and a Duron 800, especially with the more data-intensive features like the playlist database or the animated skins running.

    An entire database in an audio player? Thanks, but I'm going to err on the side of sleekness. This may be a neat feature, but I never play my MP3's in any other way than drag and drop. I drag and drop a particular track I wanna hear, or drag a whole folder and then hit 'shuffle'. I'm certain others will find it useful, but for me, it's unecessary bloat.
  • I don't like this trend... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by GeekLife.com (84577) on Sunday October 14 2001, @08:56AM (#2426710) Homepage
    Complaining on and on about how Company X won't provide Software X for Linux, followed (immediately upon release by Company X of Linux version) of complete deriding of that software (comparing its features to some previously created Linux software) is not good encouragement for other software companies looking into the possibility.

    Not to say software shouldn't be allowed to compete against other similar software so that the best can win, but the immediate, relentless bias towards the earlier-compatible software serves no one.
  • Why use Winamp? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by reynaert (264437) on Sunday October 14 2001, @08:58AM (#2426715)

    Why would I so unique about Winamp that I would want to switch? Last time I used Windows, Winamp was a nice player that did it job without being annoying. (Quite an achievement for Windows software, BTW). But what does Winamp have that popular Linux players, such as XMMS and Freeamp lack?

  • Tivo-like controls? by ukyoCE (Score:2) Sunday October 14 2001, @08:58AM
    • by victim (30647) on Sunday October 14 2001, @09:22AM (#2426774) Homepage
      IDNOAT, but I hear Tivos have a "thumbs up" and a "thumbs down" function to allow you to give feedback to it about what you like.

      The interesting part is that half of that user interface is already in an mp3 player, they just need to take advantage of it.

      Consider...

      I have about 4000 tracks in my mp3 library. I leave xmms on shuffle play. There are tracks that I almost always skip. Sometimes it is a weak track on an album, sometimes it has especially inflamatory lyrics and isn't appropriate for the office, sometimes it is an artist that has ticked me off (Randy Newman isn't getting played much lately).

      The player should keep track of which tracks or artists I habitually skip reduce their probability in the play list. If I stop skipping them then it should start reducing their penalty. (Say Randy Newman drops his suit against mp3.com and apologizes, I might stop skipping his tracks.)

      There, no complicated user interface required. Just a player that pays attention and learns a wee bit. For bonus points, add a "i like it" button to the user interface and allow tracks to acquire 'thumbs up' points as well.
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  • Help forums on winamp.com (Score:3, Informative)

    by little_fluffy_clouds (441841) on Sunday October 14 2001, @09:00AM (#2426717)
    Winamp.com already have a couple of useful support forums for this beta:

    General Discussion [winamp.com], and
    Developer info. [winamp.com]

  • They must be kidding me! by Fuzzums (Score:1) Sunday October 14 2001, @09:02AM
  • XMMS will continue (Score:5, Interesting)

    by larien (5608) on Sunday October 14 2001, @09:08AM (#2426736) Homepage Journal
    XMMS isn't just a linux MP3 player; there are now plugins for Solaris, AIX, IRIX and other Unixes.

    Perhaps more importantly (for linux users, at least) is that the open source nature make developing plugins easier.

    What would be good would be binary compatibilty between XMMS and Winamp plugins. Having not looked at Winamp plugin development, I don't know how hard that would be; anyone know how compatible they are/could be?

  • A Playlist patch for XMMS (Score:3, Informative)

    by abelsson (21706) on Sunday October 14 2001, @09:08AM (#2426738) Homepage
    I wrote a patch to filter the playlist of XMMS a while back - it's pretty simple: You start typing in the playlist and it filters out all the songs that doesnt match the string you wrote. Backspace deletes the last string you typed.

    It's really convenient when you have a 2000 song playlist and just want to listen to a specific album.

    However, it breaks the usual shortcuts (p for play, etc) in the playlist - you need to use the main window for that. There are lots of improvements that could be done - wildcard and substring matching are obvious ones. But it works well enough for me, and makes the XMMS playlist much more useful I like to have a large playlist and just filter out things i don't want to hear right now.

    Anyway.. if anyone's interested it's available here [abelsson.com] (I'm not sure it still patches cleanly, haven't tried in a while.)

    -henrik

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  • Quite bizarre by SmileyBen (Score:2) Sunday October 14 2001, @09:08AM
  • What has Winamp better than xmms.. by xmedh02 (Score:1) Sunday October 14 2001, @09:10AM
  • I'll be using winamp on lunix (Score:4, Interesting)

    by ukyoCE (106879) on Sunday October 14 2001, @09:13AM (#2426752) Journal
    One of the biggest reasons I don't use linux all that much is the quality of programs for doing my everyday things. High on that list is listening to mp3s/oggs. I tried both freeamp and xmms, and while I thought they were decent, both seemed to be trying their damndest to copy winamp, and failing. Both had many quirks that annoy the hell out of me. For instance on XMMS you have to hold down the mouse button to navigate the right-click and options menus. The add-files in xmms is extremely clunky too. I can't even read half the names of my songs because of it.

    WINAMP being ported to Linux is a GOOD THING. It is definetly the best media player. Even if it wasn't, with 99% of windows people using Winamp, seeing the software they use ported to linux is a great way to convince them to get off Windows.

    If anyone wants to stick to XMMS or Freeamp because of their religious open source ideals, regardless of player quality, go right ahead. I'll be using winamp as soon as it's out of beta for linux.
  • support xmms by dtrevino (Score:1) Sunday October 14 2001, @09:15AM
  • its an alpha of winamp 3 (three)! (Score:4, Informative)

    by porter235 (413926) on Sunday October 14 2001, @09:23AM (#2426776)
    a couple of things.

    1) it's an alpha of winamp 3, containing a different feature set than the winamp most of you know (and that xmms borrowed the look of)One thing is an extreamly flexible skinning script language, allowing for a custom shaped, custom programmed interface (for the most part, from what I understand).

    2) it's an alpha! bitchin'bout it ain't makin' it better! if you want to use winamp in the future, than write the team with constructive notes. yes it's not open source, but it is free. negative shit like some of these postings is not a good way to encourage people to develop for linux.
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  • What about plugins? by Sho0tyz (Score:2) Sunday October 14 2001, @09:26AM
  • all very strange... (Score:5, Funny)

    by archen (447353) on Sunday October 14 2001, @09:31AM (#2426800)
    In all of this I'm starting to wonder where AOL comes in. I don't see Linux or Mac as big markets that they'll make any money in, but perhaps this is another stepping stone to get an AOL package that works for other OS's. If you look at what Netscape Communicator (4x) came with you see:

    Netscape - became Mozilla, is cross platform

    Winamp - being ported to Mac and Linux

    Realplayer - Mac and Win32 versions

    With these 3 components (and Macromedia flash) you could participate in just about everything the web has to offer. I could see these comming together in some sort of cross platform package in the future (with some sort of chat client).

    The whole player thing is getting a bit weird. Xmms started off as X11 amp, which was basically a copy of Winamp, but later grew into a player with it's own flavor. Winamp then gets ported to Linux, which sort of makes for a weird situation. Mac amp was the Macintosh version of Winamp and used to be owned by Nullsoft, before the guys sold off the division to some other company. Now Winamp is available for the Mac again, but now under it's own name. And yes, Mac amp is now also available for windows. (So we have Winamp for Macs, and Macamp for Windows)...
  • Support open -vs- closed? by MobyDisk (Score:2) Sunday October 14 2001, @09:49AM
  • The Jump command by mini me (Score:1) Sunday October 14 2001, @09:58AM
  • Sure.... by Dirty Sanchez King (Score:1) Sunday October 14 2001, @10:01AM
    • Re:Sure.... by demon (Score:1) Sunday October 14 2001, @02:43PM
    • Re:Sure.... by Equinox (Score:1) Sunday October 14 2001, @05:10PM
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  • Winamp better than Xmms? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by deragon (112986) on Sunday October 14 2001, @10:05AM (#2426900) Homepage Journal
    I tried Winamp. Its not beta, its alpha.
    I got it playing an mp3, but many features
    do not work/work well.

    However, when it played, it played my mp3 much
    better than xmms. For some reason, my mp3
    has a sort of "skip" sound at some point.
    Under Xmms, it plays loud. Under Winamp and
    mpg123, the "skip" is muted. You can hear
    it, but its much less intrusive.

    BTW, what can cause these "skips" to occur?
    Bad riping?
  • This is like: by GiMP (Score:1) Sunday October 14 2001, @10:06AM
  • Finally a decent decoder! by Fellgus (Score:1) Sunday October 14 2001, @10:32AM
  • Nice, but is it necessary? by EvilIdler (Score:1) Sunday October 14 2001, @10:37AM
  • does this mean... (Score:4, Funny)

    by vena (318873) on Sunday October 14 2001, @10:44AM (#2427041)
    Winamp Is Not A Monopoly's Property?

  • REAL Jukebox? by SyFryer (Score:1) Sunday October 14 2001, @10:55AM
  • Great news by CondeZer0 (Score:1) Sunday October 14 2001, @10:58AM
    • Re:Great news by CondeZer0 (Score:1) Sunday October 14 2001, @01:20PM
  • They had a chance by nnet (Score:1) Sunday October 14 2001, @11:07AM
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  • yay winamp by panic911 (Score:1) Sunday October 14 2001, @11:09AM
  • Nullsoft & Open Source (Score:4, Informative)

    by antiher0 (41258) on Sunday October 14 2001, @11:11AM (#2427183)
    There seems to be a bit of annoyance in the community pertaining to the closed-source nature of Winamp. I'm not Nullsoft, but I'd wager that if they weren't part of a larger corporation, they would have probably open-sourced Winamp by now. Nullsoft isn't against open-source. Check out [nullsoft.com [nullsoft.com]] to see (the most notable contribution here is their open-source installer software... no more InstallShield!). Don't forget that Gnutella started out as a Nullsoft project. Besides, the past has shown that competition breeds innovation. Has anyone looked at the new media database thingy? It's pretty sharp. Of course, when it all comes down to it, it's Just Another MP3 Player.... *shrug*
  • Entirely TOO alpha quality... by David E. Smith (Score:2) Sunday October 14 2001, @11:31AM
  • Don't Work. . . by cgleba (Score:1) Sunday October 14 2001, @12:23PM
  • Come again in about a year by manon (Score:1) Sunday October 14 2001, @01:16PM
  • Why did it fail on MacOS? by fractaltiger (Score:1) Sunday October 14 2001, @01:23PM
  • XMMS vs WinAmp by bluenirve (Score:1) Sunday October 14 2001, @01:58PM
  • mserv by limegreen (Score:1) Sunday October 14 2001, @02:51PM
  • He was happy happy happy then he ate some.... by L3WKW4RM (Score:1) Sunday October 14 2001, @02:55PM
  • The obvious namechange... (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Omerna (241397) <clbrewer@gmail.com> on Sunday October 14 2001, @03:08PM (#2428048) Homepage
    The name has to be changed to Linamp.
    • GNU/Linamp !! by cygnusx (Score:1) Monday October 15 2001, @01:48AM
  • Winamp in linux ? Been there, done that ;^) by dumol (Score:2) Sunday October 14 2001, @04:46PM
  • Winamp Mini-review (Score:3, Informative)

    by Alan (347) <arcterex.ufies@org> on Sunday October 14 2001, @05:11PM (#2428431) Homepage
    K, I'm in the middle of organizing a bunch of mp3s, so I downloaded and tried it, and figured I'd throw my observations up here.

    First of all, only an RPM. Sure, alien converted it to .deb easy enough, but still, the option of .deb, .tgz and .rpm would have been nice.

    Adding files is a PITA. You can't select multiple files in the playlist editor, and it doesn't take filenames on the command line like xmms does. There is a neat split in the playlist editor, and that might have let you add directories, but I didn't play with it.

    When you do get files in their playlist, the player takes about 70% of the CPU. Xmms has usage way below that. (my cpu is at 16% now, and I have a lot more than xmms going :)

    Sloooooooooooooooooooow. Moving windows around, opening windows, was slow and laggy. Probably having to do with the cpu usage.

    Fonts are pretty gross. Quite possibly my X setup though. Anyone else have everything come up in a large courier font?

    The automatic music stream retriever was pretty cool

    None of the windows 'docked' togeather like xmms or winamp under windows.

    Stability... while moving windows around and opening and closing the little 'helper' windows it crashed on me.

    All in all pretty dissapointing. Now I am very pleased that they are doing this! I hope their product gets better, addressing the above points, and that xmms has to get their asses moving to make thier product better (competition is good right?) But for me right now winamp doesn't cut it. Totall time of playing with it was a couple of minutes (less than it took for a song to play)before it crashed.

    This is a pretty poor review as I didn't have much clue as to what I was doing, and didn't spend that long on it, but for what I am looking for, no thanks.

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  • They will have to change the name then by zendal (Score:1) Sunday October 14 2001, @05:19PM
  • Taco is lost again.. by EvilStein (Score:1) Sunday October 14 2001, @05:45PM
  • Looks good by Hagmonk (Score:1) Sunday October 14 2001, @06:00PM
  • DONE with BINARY bullSHIT. by soren (Score:1) Sunday October 14 2001, @06:29PM
  • by ewhac (5844) on Sunday October 14 2001, @06:31PM (#2428679) Homepage Journal

    At the risk of appearing like a paranoid Montana militiaman, I would point out that AOL announced over a year ago they were going to incorporate copy protection measures [slashdot.org] into WinAmp. I don't know if AOL (Nullsoft's parent company) intends to cripple the Linux version with the same garbage, but I would advise you be vigilant when downloading any version of WinAmp for any platform. You do not want to help proliferate such stuff, even unwittingly.

    Schwab

  • Open source/closed source by scum-e-bag (Score:1) Sunday October 14 2001, @06:44PM
  • From Brennan's .plan... by jezerbel (Score:1) Sunday October 14 2001, @07:43PM
  • Monolothic software by David99 (Score:1) Sunday October 14 2001, @08:52PM
  • developers plan file by Simm0 (Score:2) Sunday October 14 2001, @09:41PM
  • Comment from developer by Simm0 (Score:2) Sunday October 14 2001, @09:49PM
  • I can't resist. (Score:3, Informative)

    by trilucid (515316) <pparadis@havensystems.net> on Sunday October 14 2001, @10:01PM (#2429198) Homepage Journal

    New test MP3 file for the Linux version:

    "Winamp... it really whips the Linus ass. baaaahhh."

    C'mon, :).

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  • iTunes by nege (Score:1) Sunday October 14 2001, @10:46PM
  • Brennan Underwood .plan by samill (Score:1) Monday October 15 2001, @12:14AM
  • kylix... by tq_at_sju (Score:1) Monday October 15 2001, @01:25AM
  • Let's see... by nfaraz (Score:1) Monday October 15 2001, @04:12AM
  • pretty much the same by jlemmerer (Score:2) Monday October 15 2001, @04:34AM
  • Re:Wrong name? by Ashcrow (Score:1) Sunday October 14 2001, @09:00AM
  • Re:Wrong name? (Score:4, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 14 2001, @09:18AM (#2426766)
    No, it should be GNU/Linamp

    -RMS
    [ Parent ]
  • politics, so? was: Quebec French Language by wholesomegrits (Score:1) Sunday October 14 2001, @01:50PM
  • Re:Winamp? No thanks by The_dev0 (Score:1) Sunday October 14 2001, @08:18PM
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