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China, Russia, U.S. To Build 100MBps Network 213

Posted by timothy from the gotta-reach-those-.ru-sites dept.
prostoalex writes "Gloriad (Global Ring Network for Advanced Applications Development), a scientific data network, will unite academic institutions in China, Russia and the United States with a 100 MBps link. National Center for Supercomputing Applications received a $2.8 mln grant from NSF, and both Russia and China will match this amount to contribute to network build-up. Later this year, as the Associated Press article notes, a new plan will be launched to move the international network to 10 GBps capacity."
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  • Bit 'B' or little 'b'? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Kenja ( 541830 )
    Is that 100 mega BYTES or 100 mega BITS? Likewise, giga BITES or giga BYTES?
    • TFA says its "155 million bytes per second."
    • From the article: "That effort, expected to be launched later this year, will move data at 10 gigabytes per second, 60 times faster than the Little GLORIAD."

      "B" means "bytes," at least in this case. Though it would've been nice for a Slashdot editor to clear this ambiguity.
    • All it truly means is that we will be getting more spam now that they can send out x times faster.

  • hmpf (Score:1)

    by da2 ( 542211 )
    andthere was me thinking they were gonna upgrade my connection to the net, i'm disappointed :(

  • Fast Porn, thanks (Score:3, Funny)

    by snkmoorthy ( 665423 ) on Tuesday December 23, 2003 @07:53PM (#7799365) Journal
    Fast porn from US Russia and China thanks

  • 100 MBPS... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by mOoZik ( 698544 ) on Tuesday December 23, 2003 @07:53PM (#7799367) Homepage
    Wow, stunning...not. Even after the upgrade, it will be outdated before it ever finds a use.

    • We have 100MBps in our office, and only 10 of us, and we don't even do network tech!

      And we are firewalled from the rest of the organisation (~1990 others) through a 1MBps connection! With an independent external connection it is quicker to connect to them externally than internally (traversing the internal email firewall, for example, takes minimum 15 mins)!

      Networking at its greatest is my employer!!!

      • Re:100 MBPS... (Score:3, Informative)

        by jerde ( 23294 )
        Be careful with your spelling:

        MBps == MegaBytes per second

        Mbps == Megabits per second.

        100BASE-T ethernet is 100Mbps. Note the small "b".

        - Peter
        • 1000BASE-T is actually 1000BaseT (and the T can be Tx or Fx etc.. but I'm not too sure what means what), the "Base" is not an acronym, its an abbreviation of baseband.

    • Re:100 MBPS... (Score:5, Insightful)

      by jerde ( 23294 ) on Tuesday December 23, 2003 @08:11PM (#7799480) Journal
      Wow, stunning...not. Even after the upgrade, it will be outdated before it ever finds a use.

      Wow, stunning. You don't know what you're talking about.

      The "B" is capitalized here for a reason. It's Bytes, not bits.

      And if you were to RTFA, you'd find:
      The network, expected to go online next month, will ring the Northern Hemisphere, connecting computers in Chicago with machines in Amsterdam, Moscow, Siberia, Beijing and Hong Kong before hooking up with Chicago again, said Greg Cole of the National Center for Supercomputing Applications, one of the leaders of the Little GLORIAD project. Data will flow at
      155 million bytes per second.
      (emphasis mine)

      A wide-area-network at well over 1Gbps (that's bits) is nothing to sneeze at.

      From the same article:
      Little GLORIAD is a "first big step" toward development of the higher-speed GLORIAD, Cole said. That effort, expected to be launched later this year, will move data at 10 gigabytes per second, 60 times faster than the Little GLORIAD.


      Once you start talking about DVD-per-second rates of data, you've got something.

      - Peter
      • I was being sarcastic, you idiot.

        • I certainly don't think he's an idiot. And I don't think you have a very good grasp of how sarcasm works, because I did not perceive your comment as sarcasm either. When in doubt, always remember the words of Oscar Wilde "Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit"
        • "I was being sarcastic, you idiot."

          On this ship, you're to call me idiot, not you captain.

      • Re:100 MBPS... (Score:5, Informative)

        by jerde ( 23294 ) on Tuesday December 23, 2003 @08:34PM (#7799615) Journal
        Oh. Except in this case, the article itself is wrong.

        Stupid, stupid article. Stupider /. editors.

        The network is just a 155Mbps -- that's Megabits per second -- network. That's just an OC3.

        Look at the google cache of a powerpoint [216.239.37.104] discussing this network.

        So this breaks no speed records -- but it is a nice fat pipe into some places that have very limited bandwidth to the outside world.

        - Peter
        • the 155 Mb network is NaukaNet which is currently operational. GLORIAD is 10Gb. They don't acutally start talking about GLORIAD until halfway into the presentation, the begining is all current infrastructure details.

          Here is the very basic details on GLORIAD from the presentation:

          10 Gbps Lambda ring across Russia, China, US (and the oceans between) (likely access point in Amsterdam also)

          There is a lot of interesting stuff in that powerpoint presentation, the google cache makes it nearly unreadable thoug
      • From the network info they provide it looks like this is a standard OC-3. In the days of high speed internet thats enough for about 103 simultaneous users using 1.5 mbit each to max the pipe. Since that probably will never happen I would estimate that it's enough to support approximately 8,000 users decent bandwidth. A lot of the world still doesn't have high speed internet available to it, so for them this is big news.

  • Would.you.like.to.play.a.game? (Score:3, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 23, 2003 @07:58PM (#7799405)
    UT2K3 perhaps? ;)

    It would be interesting to learn some Russian and Chinese swear words. ;)
  • Now if we could just convince them to shoot for a wireless slingshot record and convert to Mac, those of us with Airport can all have free net access courtesy of our Ruskey friends!

    Damon,

  • Too slow, too late? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Lomby ( 147071 )
    Increase in internetworking is always welcome, especially in China and Russia, but there are projects such a Geant [dante.net] which already provide european countries with 10 Gb (and more) pipes.
    • I agree with the parent. While it is great to have a direct pipeline for information exchange and collaboration, 100 Mbps (or MBps) does seem pitiably small, though who knows precisely what volume of traffic will run on the line. And not to mention the degradation of the connection over the distance.

      If they're just going to be establishing something like this, shouldn't they shoot for the high end and avoid immediate obsolecence?

      Somehow, this seems only logical to me, to have our significant and maj

  • We have a winner (Score:1, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward
    American pr0n.
    Viagra spam routed through China.
    Hot Russian women.

    All at 100MBps.

  • I wonder who will be the first China [iii.co.uk]?, Russia [prime-tass.com]?, or the USA [nsa.gov]? We'll find out on Cryptome [cryptome.org] now won't we...

  • Politically odd? (sorry, OT) (Score:5, Insightful)

    by fiendo ( 217830 ) on Tuesday December 23, 2003 @08:03PM (#7799433)
    So let's see, we've got a 100MBps fat pipe direct from the heartland of the U.S. to the largest communist nation in the world, but I still can't get a direct flight from Miami to a communist country 90 miles off our shore???
    • Comment removed based on user account deletion

    • Re:Politically odd? (sorry, OT) (Score:5, Insightful)

      by afidel ( 530433 ) on Tuesday December 23, 2003 @08:34PM (#7799613)
      As of this week China can be officially declared a FORMER communist country. The upper house introduced a bill that is sure to pass guarenteeing private property rights. This is the end of any idea of communism in China and the beginning of their own brand of socialist capatalism more along the lines of Europe.
      • Don't you mean a quasi capitalist totalitarian regime? China is nothing like Europe, and still doesn't respect human rights. If anything, it'll become a model for what corporations want America to be like: a country ruled by the corporations for the corporations with no rights given to the individual.

        • Re:Politically odd? (sorry, OT) (Score:5, Insightful)

          by JonMartin ( 123209 ) on Tuesday December 23, 2003 @11:41PM (#7800619) Homepage
          Don't you mean a quasi capitalist totalitarian regime? China is nothing like Europe, and still doesn't respect human rights. If anything, it'll become a model for what corporations want America to be like: a country ruled by the corporations for the corporations with no rights given to the individual.

          Close, but it is a country ruled by the military backed elite for the corporations with no rights given to the individual. We have a word for this merging of totalitarianism and corporatism: fascism. The only deviation from the standard definition of fascism is the absence of a single, demigod-like leader (ie. Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin). Though it could be argued that the memory of Mao serves this purpose.

          Regardless, the person who compared China to Europe is spectacularly stupid. Unless they meant Europe of the 1930s.

      • while people are jailed for going to non-state approved church services & the buildings used for such are bulldozed? Private property means nothing if the state claims ownership of your mind.
    • Cuba is easy to boycott as they don't offer a heck of a lot of things we need/want except good cigars and tourist destinations (both of which you can get elsewhere). If they found oil or developed a booming tech industry overnight the boycott would end faster than you can say Fidel.
    • "So let's see, we've got a 100MBps fat pipe direct from the heartland of the U.S. to the largest communist nation in the world, but I still can't get a direct flight from Miami to a communist country 90 miles off our shore???"

      You can't carry refugees/drugs/weapons/money/cigars with fibre. If you considered the fact that there's no need for data to go through customs, you wouldn't find this so 'odd'.

  • Mirror, just in case (Score:2, Informative)

    by RickyRay ( 73033 )
    New Network to Link U.S., Russia, China
    Dec 23, 10:10 AM (ET)
    By JIM PAUL

    CHAMPAIGN, Ill. (AP) - Soon scientists in the United States, China and Russia will be able to collaborate in cyberspace over a new high-speed computer network that includes the first direct computer link across the Russia-China border, developers say.

    The network, expected to go online next month, will ring the Northern Hemisphere, connecting computers in Chicago with machines in Amsterdam, Moscow, Siberia, Beijing and Hong Kong

  • DWDM & OTDM (Score:5, Informative)

    by Ex-MislTech ( 557759 ) on Tuesday December 23, 2003 @08:05PM (#7799446)
    With some of the newer Telecom technologies they could hit
    speads of 40 Giga-bits per second if they wanted, most
    likely faster as my knowledge is somewhat dated, ie. 2001 .

    I know Nortel was working on sending 160 Tera-bits down a
    single strand of fiber, and I have seen working gear that
    pushes 40 Giga-bits 2 years ago .

    Here is a article from 1999 that said they hit 1.6 Tera :

    http://www.findarticles.com/cf_dls/m0CGC/19_25/5 46 73084/p1/article.jhtml

    There is now 10 Giga-bit Ethernet ...

    www.10gea.org

    The Telecom links always outpace the current Ethernet high end
    by usually a sizeable amount .

    Peace,
    Ex-MislTech
  • We could pay for it with the inheritance of just one deposed ruler.
  • In Soviet Russia, network builds you! But seriously, this should help me download TATU mp3s faster.
  • Given that they censor every damn thing that comes in and out of the country don't expect to see a lot of sites in China, especially anything that talks about Tibet, Falun Gong or any system that doesn't agree with the "great unfailing Chinese leadership".

    What do they need with 100 Mbps? Ways to send elaborate communist propoganda?

    There is the idea that the more you bring them into the world community the more they have to play by the rules. Witness their growing pains regarding the WTO. Gotta respect
    • Er...don't expect to see anything if you're not at one of the linked institutions. This is not an internet link, it's a private WAN.
    • Hmm ... it seems like an awful lot of trouble to throw the biggest LAN party we've ever seen.

      But, from the article:
      while Russia and China often exchanged scientific information by meeting in Chicago

      It looks like Russia and China have bigger problems, like meeting in Chicago instead of, say, Russia or China? Silly Easterners.
    • So there will be one ring to bind them? Hmmmm...
      • If it is a Sonet based or SDH based network it will
        most likely be a series of rings, so that is a line is
        cut at one point the ring will automatically reroute
        the other direct .

        So called "Sonet Rings" are becoming common here in the US because
        ppl like to employ the fiber seeking backhoe .

  • But if they are gonna make a 100MB network, how can they plan to 'upgrade' that to 10GB, without having to replace nearly everything they buy? Cat6, not Cat5e must be used (or so the IEEE standard says for 10GB) so if they buy that now, then they don't have to replace it. But what of routers, switches and nics? Unless they are buy 10GB hardware now, and just running it at 100MB for fun then flipping the switch to FASTMODE later, how do they plan to do this?

    Why build a network then plan to replace the whole
    • But if they are gonna make a 100MB network, how can they plan to 'upgrade' that to 10GB, without having to replace nearly everything they buy? Cat6, not Cat5e must be used (or so the IEEE standard says for 10GB) so if they buy that now, then they don't have to replace it.

      Would it be easier for you guys to understand if they had said that this is a high speed research network starting at 1 Gbps and eventually topping out at 100 Gbps? Because, that's what they're saying.

      • they are saying 100MB, as the title suggests. and to eventually top out at means that they would have to replace routers/switches and anything non-cable. fiber would be uses for the overseas line, and fiber/cat6 cable for the local labs... but what handles the incoming signal cannot go from 100MB to 10GB without being made a 10GB box that is initially running at 100MB...

        It is the same reason why the 802.11b WAP you bought a couple years ago can't magically do .11g, or why the 10mb switch at work doesn't ma
    • Well.. if this is a network that spans the US, Russia and China I would expect it to be run over fiber.

      The same strand of fiber should be able to handle up to terabit/byte speeds with the right hardware, assuming its backwards compatible, etc.

      But building a whole new network every year when you need to upgrade would be good for the economy. It would make more jobs. So perhaps we should since we're obviously too lazy to figure out why we shouldn't.

      The reason not to rebuild everything over and over agai
  • I guess the Americans and Chinese have not yet learned that in Putin's Russia, you don't share research, research shares you!

  • Being 52 and growing up during the cold war it is still amazing and very nice to see these three countries getting along and working together.

    I hope it continues and more of this cooperation amoung countries continues to expand. MAYBE someday we will work as one planet instead of individual countries. Maybe......

  • Private worldwide networks. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by rice_burners_suck ( 243660 ) on Tuesday December 23, 2003 @08:24PM (#7799550)
    Perhaps one of the reasons academic institutions need their own "Internet-2" (so to speak) is to avoid spam and other traffic that goes through the big bad "Internet-1". A private network for academics takes them back to the "good ol'" days when only professionals had access and there wasn't much abuse going on.

    Meanwhile, many companies, from small businesses to worldwide corporations, are spending a lot of money to fight spam and other problems. I see a need for many large businesses to get together and build their own network, an "Internet-3" so to speak. They would still have security concerns, but because most of the network's traffic will be business related, the signal to noise ratio will be much better.

    With wireless access becoming more popular, I even see the normal consumer providing pieces of the Internet. This network, the original Internet, might eventually become the place where a lot of garbage goes around, while private worldwide networks might eventually keep things clean.

    Of course, once all these networks become large, I can see connections made between them, and that will defeat the whole purpose.

    • Problem is, as soon as you let companies onto the network, you let spam onto the network.
      • ... as in, with crypto-signed messages (or even individual packets) going around...

        I am wondering how much spam is going between banks on the SWIFT network (or whatever the proper name for that thing they use to move big $$ around). let me remind you, banks ARE businesses, but they have a bit more at stake than a chance to sell a $10 bottle of Viagra. ;-)

        Paul B.
        • How many discussions [slashdot.org] about politics [kuro5hin.org] and technology [mozillazine.org] are going on on SWIFT? How much art creation [deviantart.com] or intellectual pursuit [wikipedia.org]? How many blogs [slashdot.org] or personal homepages?:)

          As far as I am concerned, using SWIFT would be even less fun than using the internet behind the Great Firewall of China.
          • Thanks for a number of interesting links, especially the first three were absolutely new to me! ;-) (No, I'm kidding, but the fourth one I've never seen and I liked it).

            Maybe it would be better to separate two of my statements into two separate posts. In no way I was in favor of making Internet the likes of SWIFT, the latter was just an example that a (semi-)secure network can be built.

            Strong crypto being a foundation of any information exchange on the Internet-X does not necessarily contradict the free
  • I hope this goes well. Not only will it lead to the scientific progress everyone here likes, but it could also lead to a greater cultural exchange. It could only help our culture, and cultural contamination is the best way to influence a place like China, what with their human rights violations and all. Anything that even could help alleviate that is good.

  • Please, RTA (Score:3, Informative)

    by bugbread ( 599172 ) on Tuesday December 23, 2003 @08:28PM (#7799580)
    I'm skipping the "F" because I don't want to come off as too much of a heavy, but as long as people don't read the article this discussion runs the risk of being completely off topic.

    This is not a 100 Mbps (or MBps) connection to the internet. This is a private WAN between the connected institutions.

    That means, unless you work or attend one of those institutions, no spam, no mp3s, no pron, no blocking of websites, nothing.

  • Three-Ring Circus (Score:1, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward
    Excellent! Now we can send our national secrets to them at warp-speed!
  • .. because now I can receive 10x the amount of spam and cracking attempts from those countries. And nobody over there will still give a crap about what people on there network are doing.

    Seriously, if those two countries just dropped off the entire Internet, the quality of online life would increase dramatically.

    (In case you can't tell, I'm angry. I've currently got some spammer over there forging my email domain RIGHT NOW and I'm dealing with thousands of bounces from everwhere.. and nobody involved giv

  • where's the EU and other Euro nations? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by The Lynxpro ( 657990 ) <[moc.liamg] [ta] [orpxnyl]> on Tuesday December 23, 2003 @08:56PM (#7799721)
    I find it weird that all the European Union member states are not part of this project considering there are many top-notch universities in these countries. The same goes for the other advanced non-EU European countries (Iceland, Norway, etc.)...

    • Is 10 Gbit/s good enough?

      Check out nordunet:
      http://www.nordu.net/map_nordunet.png

      All universities (and many museums and institutions) in sweden has a dual redundant 2.5 Gbit/s (10 Gbit/s) connection to SUNET which connect to NORDUnet

  • Translation... (Score:3, Funny)

    by DocSnyder ( 10755 ) on Tuesday December 23, 2003 @09:11PM (#7799791)
    CHAMPAIGN, Ill. (AP) - Soon spammers in the United States, China and Russia will be able to collaborate in cyberspace over a new high-speed computer network that includes the first direct computer link across the Russia-China border, developers say.

    The network, expected to go online next month, will ring the Northern Hemisphere, connecting spammers in Chicago with machines in Amsterdam, Moscow, Siberia, Beijing and Hong Kong before hooking up with Chicago again, said Alan Ralsky of the National Center for Bulk Email Advertising, one of the leaders of the Little CHINANET project. Spam will flow at 155 million bytes per second.

    "This new network permits us to learn more from each other in areas where we have not worked together in the past," Ralsky said Monday.

    [...]

    Spammers have always chosen black-hat ISPs that assure them the capacity to send huge volumes of emails at speeds much faster than typical deliveries and for real-time bargains on high-tech penis enlargements, Ralsky said.

    Little CHINANET - an acronym for Common Harbor for Incredibly Nasty Advertising Networks Exceeding Tolerance - will allow spammers and bulk hosters to work together on such issues as ignoring complaints, safeguarding spamvertised sites, monitoring server performance or joint open proxy exploration.

    [...]

    Little CHINANET is a "first big step" toward development of the higher-speed CHINANET, Ralsky said. That effort, expected to be launched later this year, will send spam at 10 gigabytes per second, 60 times faster than the Little CHINANET.

    Computer connections have fostered spam collaborations that otherwise might not have happened, Ralsky said.

    "There's some advantage to having people being able to talk more regularly," he said. "There are fewer misunderstandings. I think these networks are going to be more important to the more critical issues that we're all addressing together."

  • Now the Chinese will be able to hack into our systems with blazing speed. Oh, wait, what am I thinking? We're already sending databases full of personal and financial data about US citizens over there for them to manage for us. They don't need to go anywhere to hack our data, we're shipping it to them!

    Maybe instead of diplomatic missions we're going to start settling trade disputes in a Quake arena.

  • Does this mean the FIRE-WALL will be called the GREAT-FIRE-WALL?

  • Idea (Score:5, Funny)

    by transient ( 232842 ) on Wednesday December 24, 2003 @02:29AM (#7801216)
    So people are talking about how this network will be free from spam and various other sociopathic Internet behavior. Maybe we could create another network and all pretend to use it instead of the Internet, and trick the spammers into leaving the real Internet for the new one! We could even get on the spammer network every once in a while and bitch about all the spam just to keep leading them on. Dude that would be so cool.
  • Whatever happened to Internet2 [internet2.org]?
  • computers can meld with Chinese and Russian defense grid & become Skynet. /me dons his lead jockstrap
  • Looks like they may have to put some bigger heatsinks on that Great Firewall.
  • Now the Chicoms can steal US technology without ever leaving the comforts of home.

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