Microsoft Trolling for New Acquisitions 142
NewShinyCD writes "Sources tell Valleywag that startup Ustream.tv is in advanced discussions with Microsoft to acquire the lifecasting service for more than $50 million, but there are other companies in the bidding as well. Ustream is currently raising a very large initial round of VC financing, and Microsoft is attempting to grab them prefunding for a cheap price. Our tipster also mentions that Microsoft would use Ustream as a way to promote its Adobe Flash competitor, Silverlight." Relatedly, Microsoft has also announced their intent to buy Sidekick maker Danger. Financial details of the Danger buyout were not disclosed.
Wow, that's quite a title. (Score:4, Insightful)
I wonder how the person who wrote that title feels about Microsoft?
Next up: "Microsoft cruising seedy bars on the hunt for fresh start-up action."
Re:Wow, that's quite a title. (Score:5, Interesting)
There's a chance that this sudden surge of purchasing, if it's anything out of the ordinary (maybe it isn't, I don't personally keep close enough tabs on Microsoft acquisitions), is a sign of some sort of desperation on Microsoft's end. Rather than attempting to come up with any further new ideas (something I'm not certain Microsoft has really been interested in for a while now), they just seem to want to buy enough bits and pieces of the industry to increase their foothold.
But then, Im just speculating. Appearances may be deceiving, but this appears to be an indicator that something's up over at M$. I just wonder the impact it will have if they were to go through with all of these acquisitions--including Yahoo--and none of it did them any good. Seems like that'd put a big dent even into Microsoft's daunting coffers.
Re:Wow, that's quite a title. (Score:5, Insightful)
Or threatening to sue for "patent infringement" like they did with several linux distros, Mark Shuttleworth gave them the finger...
Re:Wow, that's quite a title. (Score:4, Interesting)
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It's also interesting that the buying focus doesn't appear to creating new products for sale, but on strategic purchases to fight off competitors.
In response to Google's release of Android, Microsoft have just bought Danger inc [phonemag.com]. Now, there's no doubt Windows Mobile is unrelable and clunky, and could use significant improvement, but it looks like there's more to
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Also, IIRC, they had something like $60billion in cash on hand last time I paid attention; the Yahoo! offer was $44B stock + cash. I think they'll still have gobs of billions left - not that it will necessarily happen, just if ...
Re:Wow, that's quite a title. (Score:5, Informative)
You haven't been paying attention in quite a while - they have less than $22B. in cash, and even with offering only half-chas and half-stock,they've said they would probably borrow to finance the deal.
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I think MS knows
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new plans for growth? (Score:2)
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Microsoft not coming up with new ideas? They only spend about $7 billion a year on research which last time I checked was more than Google, IBM, or anyeone else for that matter. I believe this counts as 'attempting to come up with new ideas'.
They've been buying a crap load of companies every year (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_companies_acquired_by_Microsoft_Corporation), this is nothing new...
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A lot of the technologies you see on the market today were born at MSR.
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That's a bit vague. Kind of like: "Lots and lots of stuff".
The OP was asking for *specific* examples of technologies on the market which were innovated by MSR.
...or copied (Score:2)
Seriously, what's innovative about zune/xbox/server/sync... or windows, for that matter?
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What's so innovative about an iPod? It's just an MP3 player... err hard drive really. What's so innovative about Google... it's a search engine, there were many like it before and many will follow.
There are many underlaying technoliges behind those products that are very innovative (google's search algorithm oblitirated all others for ex.) I would say sync is more or less innovative in certain areas. Xbox live in xbox... Plus twenty thousand other technoliges you don't really see because Microsoft's prod
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'attempting to come up with new ideas' != 'comming up with new ideas'
Re:Wow, that's quite a title. (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Wow, that's quite a title. (Score:4, Informative)
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My personal stance is that it was stupid that they had so much cash sitting around in the first place. This change in spending shouldn't be thought of as a last ditch desperation but rather a long needed change in spending philosophy. What good could ever come of ha
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Yahoo has so many services that Microsoft already has, its a big duplication of effort.
Instead, MS should set its sights on companies that are going to make money via corporate regulations. Storage companies for example are making a killing because of regs like Sarbanes Oxley where everything has to be archived for seven years, down to the smell and sound pressure leve
Not a funny title, nor funny timing. (Score:1)
Re:Wow, that's quite a title. (Score:5, Insightful)
The word "trolling" means fishing by pulling lures through the water, which isn't a bad analogy. It didn't come into existence after the birth of Usenet.
"Microsoft Fishing for New Acquisitions" doesn't sound so bad, does it?
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Grow up people. It isn't 1997 anymore. It's not cute anymore. It doesn't make you sound smart anymore. Give up the irrational MS hatred.
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Fuck Microsoft. Fuck them in their stupid asses. Why are you here on Slashdot anyway? Go read MSNBC or something you douchebag.
Re:Wow, that's quite a title. (Score:5, Funny)
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Even in the most benign context that could possibly exist, the implications are unthinkable.
If Microsoft isn't safe for your kids, who are they safe for? (microsoft = evil)
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Dyarr.
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I wonder how the person who wrote that title feels about Microsoft?
It says absolutely nothing about how a person feels about Microsoft, though it does say something about your familiarity with the English language.
Hint: fishing ships troll [thefreedictionary.com].
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It's time to innovate... (Score:2)
You can't blame them... (Score:3, Funny)
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Speaking of Silverlight... (Score:3, Insightful)
Joy. Another way for M$ to try to jam Silverlight down our throats...as if asking if we'd like to try it out every time we visit microsoft.com isn't quite invasive and annoying enough.
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Cross-platform from day 1! (Score:2)
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The linux version, you must be kidding right? Its like saying that all Windows applications is cross platform because Wine exists. Right now all there is is a developer version without any packages. If thats the level of Microsofts cooperation
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It's about freakin' time somebody competed with Flash on a (relatively) even footing. Silverlight is just plain better technology, and I think it'll prod Adobe into actually doing something with Flash other than making the IDE suck even worse than it did under Macromedia. (A pretty remarkable feat, when you think about it.)
The very fact that you can connect Javascript's DOM with Silverlight's and vice-versa is a great idea Flash could have implemented years ago, if they hadn't been so complacent.
Just curious: (Score:5, Funny)
Anything that makes Flash actually have to compete in the marketplace is a good thing.
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Most of the books on Flash development don't even use FLA's. Everything is taught using code only, so the quality of code and programmers has gone up significantly.
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Possibly, but the IDE is worse than ever. I think comparing usage of Adobe Flash CS3 to slamming your balls in a car door is a pretty fair one. Except Flash CS3 somehow manages to be even more painful.
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I haven't use Flash myself (a programmer) but my impression is that Flash is aimed at designers, not programmers. Maybe it works better for the target audience.
-matthew
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I'm a web developer; one of those bloody-minded standards-bashing "on MY watch, we'll serve clean, semantic, gracefully degrading, browser neutral XHTML/CSS" types. I've always hated Flash (as a web user) and perhaps as a result never voluntarily extended my skillset into Flash development.
But my employer needs me to do the odd bit of Flash, so last week I went and did some Flash training.
Verdict: Christ, if only I could never build another XHTML/CSS/JS site ever again, and
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Then use OpenLaszlo [openlaszlo.org].
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The big thing that Flash offers is a a consistent, customizable, cross platform, way to embed video in a web page.
Partially for the above reason, but also because some developers/designers just aren't very good at HTML/CSS/Javascript. Also, some people seem to like those in-your-face animated sites that just can't be done with HTML/Javascript.
-matthew
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Re:Speaking of Silverlight... (Score:5, Informative)
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Miguel de Icaza should just crawl over to MS on hes knees and beg to work there instead of acting as if he cares anything about open source.
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No, he actually claims to be a part of the open source community. He works for Ximian (who call themselves "Novell" these days). But I wouldn't be surprised if he was secretly on the Microsoft payroll, because he has a long history of deliberately creating problems for us. He is basically the person responsible for creating the GNOME/KDE schism, singlehandedly setting the Linux desktop back by years while we developed two parallel frameworks and then a third framework
More propaganda! (Score:4, Funny)
Should msft buy Intuit? (Score:2, Offtopic)
I think msft may be in somewhat of a price war with intuit right now, but it is not helping msft. I think msft's quickbooks competitor is selling for around $150, but it looks like intuit has dropped the price of quickbooks to about $130. I think quickbooks used to cost around $500.
I see no way for msft to steal the market from intuit. Intuit is too well established, there is a huge networ
Been there, tried that. (Score:2)
As I recall, the DOJ (FTC?) wouldn't let them. It was around the time MSFT first came out with Microsoft Money.
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they tried in the mid1990s (Score:2)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quicken#History [wikipedia.org]
Copycat (Score:4, Interesting)
XBox. Zune. Live Search (let's buy Yahoo!)
The iPhone was wildly successful so let's copy it, since that seems to be working for us so well with the iPod.
The best part of this "strategy" is that every division except the office/Windows division, loses money. Which leads me to wonder why they even try.
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The best part of this "strategy" is that every division except the office/Windows division, loses money. Which leads me to wonder why they even try.
That's not entirely accurate. MS XBox division profited $524M so far the first half of this financial year, and growing (they did lose money in the beginning - no surprise to anyone).
It only takes one success to make up for many failures - that's how VC companies make their money. That's a large part of what MS is: a giant technology VC company. But rather than just invest in other companies, they buy them.
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http://www.microsoft.com/msft/download/Financial%20Operating%20Segment%20History.xls
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Personally, I would think less of Microsoft if they didn't even t
Making money by divisions (Score:3, Insightful)
The corporate structure appears designed to protect executives, their jobs, and their bonuses, not identify winners to ride and losers to cut loose. The company is WAY less cutthroat and vicious that i
Speaking of trolling... (Score:2, Insightful)
title of story can be shortened to (Score:2, Insightful)
the meaning of which can go both ways, and still summarizes the meaning of the story better
Innovation? (Score:1)
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MS has also eaten Caligari (Score:3, Interesting)
short thread at http://www.caligari.com/ [caligari.com].
Does this mean we'll see a 3d desktop on Blue Crystals(R) 7.5 I wonder?
or even worse a 3d virtual MS-Bob
Andy
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Get ready for them to do a lot of shopping (Score:2)
Considering that they were prepared to spend 40-odd bn for yahoo when Vista probably cost them 5 bn, they are very serious about aquisitions.
MS have never really got far with their aquisitions (except office and MSDOS) so this new policy will probably burn a hole in the bottom of the ship.
Expe
Yup (Score:2)
Say goodbye to the Sidekick (aka Danger HipTop) (Score:2, Interesting)
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ITYM "trawling" (Score:2, Informative)
"Trawling" would mean they're out there dragging their nets and fishing lines in hopes of catching something worth keeping.
The former is intentionally pejorative, the latter is simply metaphorical.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trawling [wikipedia.org]
Trawling is when you use nets. Trolling is when you use fishing lines and use baits.
Buying is Bad? (Score:2, Insightful)
First, it's obvious that "trolling" in the context of an online FORUM is going to have definite negative connotations. It doesn't really matter what the original term meant, it matters what it means to those you are talking to.
Secondly, since when has buying companies been new, or been evil? Google has bought a ton of stuff, and while some are honest in their thinking about it, most seem to have a "Microsoft Bad, Other Companies Good" mentality that shades their opinion about, for example, "new acquisiti
Obviously, you do not remember the good ole' days (Score:4, Insightful)
No, Bill Gates is not the Devil, but he might be listening to him. And a lot of what MS-Executives do, not necessarily the employees, is Evil. Evil against a true democratic-judicial system that is somewhat prone to influence, bribery, and special interests when enough money is presented with a certain level of political maneuvering. True justice is when a person without large sums of money, a person like the consumer, can be protected from a person with a lot of wealth, power, and influence. (BTW: When someone can successfully use power, wealth, and influence to compromise a market and law enforcement the way microsoft has done over the years, that is not True Capitalism. That is Greed, Suppression of the People, and Taking Unfair Advantage of the consumer market. There is a reason they call it ANTI-TRUST, because the market DOES NOT TRUST them. You can defile the true beneficial impact of ANTI-TRUST by paying off the guardians of Trust.)
And no, how Microsoft runs their business is not how it is suppose to be, because there were certain laws established to protect consumer markets, and all Microsoft see them as are marketing hurdles, not items that give respect to the people. By their actions, they reduce the options available to the market, because they know themselves, that anyone can out-produce, out-innovate, or out-create them. They had to change the rules to suit their corporate personality, which is equal to that of a high-school bully.
Defending Microsoft? You claim you are not. But I refused to buy into the lie that Microsoft is a good corporate citizen of it's market and country. I want corporate responsibility, accountability, and true innovation by even the smallest least insignificant inventor, to give them a chance to get themselves out of poverty or a lower economic class just like people in pro-sports do. All of the citizens are valuable, not just a select few rich and wealthy people who also happen to be bent on Greed instead of being a public or market servant.
I forgot to mention - Xerox, Apple, and Microsoft (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Obviously, you do not remember the good ole' da (Score:2)
I'd be interested to hear what you think about Starbucks business practices. Unethical, but legal, IMO.
Yes, the democratic-judicial system is prone to influence, bribery, and special interests, and money goes a long way.
At any rate, I certainly do not agree that MS is a good corporate citizen of its market and country. I personally think of its software is pretty decent, and certainly quite functional, and to argue that it's not that and that nothing good has ever come out of Microsoft is to be blind.
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Diworsification (Score:5, Interesting)
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Yahoo! engineers will be flooding Google (or backpacking through the Himalayas), leaving MS with the rotting carcass a
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I think MS has foresight. They know they have to diversify to survive. The problem with them is lack of imagination. Everything has to be related to their OS by decree or by habit. It's one thing to rely on you strength. It's another to solely rely on your strength when it looks like it is not working. How many attempts at Windows Mobile have they tried before they realized that a miniature version of Windows wasn't the answer?
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Ha!
Seriously, use an iPhone (or an iPod touch, the UI's more or less the same) for 20 minutes and then tell me MS can design an OS which is of good use on a phone.
(Before anyone berates me for using an Apple product as an example, remember that most of the market buys something that they can use without wishing a slow painful death on the designers. Not something that offer
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I would like to remind you they never quite excelled at making OSs. Even if we go back to the PC-DOS days, what they had was an OEM agreement where IBM bundled PC-DOS with the IBM PC. PC-DOS became a de-facto standard because IBM shipped lots of PCs and charged a lot to bundle it with CP/M-86 in a time when CP/M (which was quite yawn-inspiring) was _the_ office computer standard OS. Letting IBM impose PC-DOS as the corporate computer sta
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Google fanboys jealous (Score:1)
Danger likely has never turned a profit. Danger was probably facing extinction if MS hadn't come to the rescue.
Competing with Flash?! (Score:2, Insightful)
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Trolling isn't trawling. (Score:1)
They want new acquisitions? (Score:2)
(I'm cheap... not more than $15 Million.)
Bill