Previewing Dapper And Edgy 144
Frank Clarkson writes to mention a ZDNet article about the upcoming release of 'Dapper Drake', Ubuntu Linux. They also give a mini-preview of Eft. From the article: "'I'm promising to impose (almost ;-) ) zero from-the-top requirements for Edgy, this release is entirely up the to development team to envision and implement,' he wrote. 'Almost everything that lands in Edgy will be driven from the development team, who get to play with whatever new technologies they fancy along the way. So that should give us a nice big bump in infrastructure and bling.'"
New most popular distro (Score:5, Funny)
So then can we assume this will be the long desired porn-centric distro we have all been waiting for?
Re:New most popular distro (Score:2)
So then can we assume this will be the long desired porn-centric distro we have all been waiting for?
So apart from a few commercial offspring over the years, who has been building the other 32432 distros? You'd think that more than enough would have done that already...
Re:New most popular distro (Score:1)
You mean you were waiting for this [mezon.ru]?
I'm just wondering if there will be an entreprise edition so I can have 24x7 "technical" support!
P.S. Sorry guys, it's in Russian. Can't do nothing about it.
Re:New most popular distro (Score:3, Funny)
Yes, but it's going to be well-dressed animal porn...
Re:New most popular distro (Score:2)
Re:New most popular distro (Score:1, Funny)
Re:New most popular distro (Score:2)
You missed it - that was the first Ubuntu release and it got a lot of coverage for having an orgy of naked people on the root window.
Re:New most popular distro (Score:2)
Re:New most popular distro (Score:1)
"libsexy1"
"pornview"
"stripclub"
Shocking!
libpr0n? (Score:2)
multiarch future? (Score:5, Insightful)
". .
I sure hope this happens; then I can finally switch back to 64-bit mode. I know about the chroot and all that fanciness but it's too much of a hassle.
Re:multiarch future? (Score:2)
I sure hope this happens, so that I can finally have Macromedia Flash player and WMV decoding working on my AMD64 system. Two things I thought I'd never miss, but am finding it a pain to live without.
Re:multiarch future? (Score:4, Informative)
This removes much of the incentive for using 64 bit on the desktop, as the biggest speedup will be seen in multimedia apps.
It's still better than nothing, of course.
Re:multiarch future? (Score:1)
I found some instructions on the ubuntu forums on how to do this.
Re:multiarch future? (Score:1)
Re:multiarch future? (Score:4, Insightful)
I want a desktop and games, not hours of compiling stuff, damnit
so why exactly did you touch gentoo ?
you need 64 bits so badly that you can't live without it ? i run my turion laptop happily in 32bit mode for now (currently with ubuntu), since the `rest` of the world hasnt really gained up on the bitcout yet.
runnning in 64-bit mode doesn't make your machine really stellar or ultrafast, one of the biggest differences that you can make for now, is to get a 32-bit linux and get packages compiled for your machine. (gentoo 32-bit would do aswell)
i ran some purely experimental tests here, comparing the speed of math in code compiled for i386 (ubuntu style) versus code compiled for k8 (a 'la gentoo) , now the difference in speed was enormous. if you multiply the math speed differences with the delay/lag/latency that is created while you are using the desktop interface (x-server with it's pipes and sockets, font servers, etc.), you'll get a pretty big bang.
ps. for the furious supporters of i386 compilings, ofcourse compiling every app for k8 isn't necessary, but it's time we get some other stuff than libc to i686 at least. why use ~60-70% of the cpu power that we have ? (holding back at least 80% of users from utilizing their cpu in favour of the remaining
Re:multiarch future? (Score:2)
Or how about libraries that step down on lower processors? It'd be perhaps expensive to implement in every application, but if the libraries themselves had it then it wouldn't be quite so bad. At boot time it could start, test the waters, and implement the highest processor features that a) the boot loader/ker
Re:multiarch future? (Score:1)
dapper and edgy (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:dapper and edgy (Score:3, Informative)
For the past ~2 months, with NM, I've had the most enjoyable (Computer related:)) docking/undocking ever. It's so nice to be able to undock and walk out to the balcony and soak up some sun & computer w
Re:dapper and edgy (Score:5, Insightful)
Sure, some things are just eye-candy, for example the way movies can play on the corners of the cube. But by and large, XGL is _useful_ and _not_ eyecandy.
Re:dapper and edgy (Score:1)
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Re:dapper and edgy (Score:3, Informative)
Are you quite sure? I run Breezy with Scim for Japanese, and I can use it in the default Firefox with no trouble; never had to do anything, it just worked. If anything OOo is the most troublesome, since you need to set a bunch of options regarding preferred fonts and su
Re:dapper and edgy (Score:4, Informative)
For those who don't know what I'm talking about check this [slinckx.net] out.
Finally, some innovation on the Linux desktop, instead of "Me too!" apps.
Re:dapper and edgy (Score:1)
Sorry to suck wind from your sails. (Score:2)
Google toolbar for your OS in Windows does something similar.
Re:dapper and edgy (Score:2)
I agree that it's nifty to have an app like that on Linux, but I wouldn't wave the "Innovation in Linux" flag just yet...
It seems like most of the innovation that happens for Linux is fairly low-level stuff, like new kernel features &c.
Re:dapper and edgy (Score:1)
Last easter I demonstrated the Kororaa Live CD with XGL to friends and parents and only the geeky onces were impressed. The 'normal users' did not see any value in wobbly windows. They were and still are mainly scared of any computer system that is not windows.
A Great Year for the Linux Desktop (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:A Great Year for the Linux Desktop (Score:4, Funny)
Because not a day goes by, that I too look for new ways to be productive at work...
... or is it yet another year? (Score:1)
O. Wyss
The good the bad and the ugly (Score:3, Interesting)
I'm going to hold out for... (Score:4, Funny)
Re:I'm going to hold out for... (Score:1)
Re:I'm going to hold out for... (Score:3, Funny)
Pervy Penguin gets my vote for the first porn-centric distro.
Re:I'm going to hold out for... (Score:2)
Dapper this! (Score:3, Funny)
Maybe gnucash-2.0 will make Edgy. (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Maybe gnucash-2.0 will make Edgy. (Score:2)
Re:Dapper-backports? (Score:2)
Re:Dapper-backports? (Score:1)
buggy (Score:2)
Re:buggy (Score:2)
Graphics (neomagic), suspend and restart, sound, networking and a good set of applications including open office and firefox are all present and correct.
Providing they fix the few remaining issues, this is ready for prime-time, even the Gnome icons are starting to be improved. It's not OS X, but it works!!!!!
Posted from IBM ThinkPad 600X
Re:buggy (Score:1)
when was the last time you installed windows xp on a new machine and didn't have to install extra drivers? my last windows install experience had microsoft kindly on my behalf downloading drivers for the inbuild sound chipset from the *wrong company*. (for those who are curious, i decided not to install in my *leet knowing what is really needed* ways and to see what would happen to someone following microsoft's directions to the letter. one "download drivers from microsoft update" cli
Re:buggy (Score:1)
It sure is. I use it exclusively as my operating system, and I know many people that do the same. What you meant was that it doesn't have complete support for all hardware combinations available; that's true, in fact it's true for all operating systems.
Since this is a beta you should expect some problems. Maybe you could report this one to their bug system?
Re:buggy (Score:2)
According to http://www.ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1 3 594.html [ubuntuforums.org] , its been known for over a year.
The bottom line is this stuff should just work, and it doesn't. Dell laptops are pretty standard and common. Its just not a good answer to say "oh its broken, go here to
Just remember that I called it first! (Score:2)
I could happen. My second prediction has already come true (but that kinda sucks, really).
Tom Caudron
http://tom.digitalelite.com/linux.html [digitalelite.com]
Ubuntu's Stallman Hinderance (Score:2, Insightful)
a release with Xgl, I have to wonder just how they plan
on doing this and still keep to Stallman's principal of
no non-gpl software installed by default.
How many computers will be able to run Xgl right out of the
box without the need to manually install the nVidia or
ATI drivers to get the necessary hardware acceleration?
Re:Ubuntu's Stallman Hinderance (Score:2)
There's this big company that makes video chipsets. Actually, they produce more video chipsets than Nvidia and ATI combined. Their chipsets are hardware accelerated with free software. I'm referring to Intel.
Is it me? (Score:2)
Yes, Ubuntu is great, Mark and Canonical are providing a ton of cash to Debian development and all that.
But I'm starting to get a little tired of a new Slashdot entry everytime there is a new commit to Ubuntu's CVS.
This is getting as old as "Such and Such Company, inc" is using Linux in an enterprise environment!
In the begining, it was exciting to hear of another company using Linux; it was new and got me all happy and feeling good.
Same thing wi
Re:Is it me? (Score:2)
Re:Is it me? (Score:2)
This is a serious Linux news item. The most popular desktop Linux distribution has released the beta of their most major release yet.
Cutting (Score:4, Interesting)
How about an experiment where the users determine the features of the leading desktop Linux distro?
Re:Cutting (Score:1, Informative)
Technically, the "next version" of Ubuntu will be the Dapper Drake release, not Edgy Eft. That said, Dapper is billed as the solid, long term support release, which everyone can feel comfortable with while the devs mess around with Edgy Eft. This is important because it allows users to not have to upgrade if they need stability and don't need/want the bleeding edge.
Since Dapper is supposed to be so stabl
Re:Cutting (Score:2)
Nothing so temporary as a permanent solution.
"You can submit feature requests through various channels."
Except that those channels won't be determining Eft's features - the developer channels will be.
"The Ubuntu devs try very hard. It's not as easy as you might think."
Who says they don't? Who says it's easy? All I said was that delivering a product driven by what the producers want to make isn't as good as what the consumers want to consume.
Your post
Re:Cutting (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Cutting (Score:2)
It's true that Linux developers are users. And it's true that Linux users can develop - that's the open source defini
Re:Cutting (Score:2)
First of all developers are users too. Secondly the users just want more stuff without ever once lifting a finger to do anything. As a rule they don't even say thank you. They get ubuntu and all they can do is to bitch and moan about how gimp isn't photoshop and that it won't run quicken.
Personally i think it's time the users stopped pissing on people who give them free software, maybe then there will be greater communication between them.
Re:Cutting (Score:2)
Because product development driven by "what can we make, then who will want it" ("if we build it, they will come") is a proven recipe for failure, all day long, every day. While "what do people want, then how do we give it to them" is the recipe for success of every product.
Asking for software that prioritizes users, including developers who use it, isn't pissing on those people. Bitterness like yours, which invents insult where th
Re:Cutting (Score:2)
That's the reason we have commercial software. The users want stuff, some company develops software to give the users what they want, the users pay for the rights to use that software under the terms dictated by the company.
"Asking for software that prioritizes users, including developers who use it, isn't pissing on those people."
You are right. But that's not whats going on is it? What is going is that
Re:Cutting (Score:2)
Yes you were. You said flat out that developers are not capable of communicating with users. Do you need me to go back and copy and paste your own statement?
"Thanks for proving my point."
No thank you for proving my point. Now go back to pissing on developers till they give you a free copy of photoshop or autocad or quicken. No, No, don't get up. There is no need for you to do anything at all, no don't bother reading the documentation either. Just hang ou
Re:Cutting (Score:2)
My original post [slashdot.org], to which you replied:
"So we'll determine the next version of Ubuntu that practically everyone uses by what the developers want.
How about an experiment where the users determine the features of the leading desktop Linux distro?"
Nowhere does it say anything about developers' communications capabilities, with users or with anyone else.
A later post [slashdot.org], to which you replied, said "developers are often not qualified
Re:Cutting (Score:2)
People who give me free software are "often" idiots who are unable to communicate human beings.
Is that what you were saying there?
Re:Cutting (Score:2)
100% Troll
Attention TrollMods: that's a Flame, chomping on Flamebait, not a Troll.
My points about incompetent communicators rolls on thru the night...
Re:Cutting (Score:2)
What makes you so amazing that your off-the-cuff development model is better than the development model the Ubuntu team has used to produce the third most popular operating system distribution in the world?
Has it ever occured to you that people titled "developers" just might know how to develop things?
Re:Open Sources (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Open Sources (Score:5, Funny)
What's that? 1337 for "teet"?
Is that how you pronounce "tit"? Or is it just a Freudian slip?
Re:Open Sources (Score:2)
It just means you always keep yourself abreast of the latest tech news.
Re:Open Sources (Score:2)
Re:Open Sources (Score:1, Offtopic)
Hey, man, if you're gonna beat up on me, wait until I get the cast off of my left hand so that I have a fair chance of being able to type a first post without a tyographical error.
Re:Open Sources (Score:2)
I was actually agreeing with you, and extending it somewhat.
Can you imagine... (Score:5, Insightful)
And this software would work well, have free online updates and upgrades, and make it so that you could even show your friends who aren't technically inclined how to use it and gain its benefits? How it enables people like me who work on software to easily contribute to improving the lives of thousands of computer users around the world?
Yea, it's a damn shame that developers are doing marketters' jobs here. Let's all live in a world where the marketters do the developers' jobs by setting out the game-plan on features and design [microsoft.com].
Re:Can you imagine... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Can you imagine... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Can you imagine... (Score:2)
Speed of Sound: 340 m/s
Amount of time for a Magnitude V bitch slap to be heard around the world: 1.36 days.
*salute*
Have you ever heard of "thank you"? (Score:5, Insightful)
Listen, johnny-come-lately, the market is already saturated with market driven drivel. Go eat it up. The world doesn't need any more of it. There's plenty already. FOSS is different, and that's a good thing. If you don't like it, go away. Believe it or not, some people really don't care about world domination, huge piles of cash, popularity contests, or cute ponies.
I'm using Dapper Drake right now on a machine that is also running the very latest Windows, w/
Why don't you try saying "thank you" sometime.
Re:Have you ever heard of "thank you"? (Score:2, Informative)
You know, I rail against Microsoft as hard as anyone. But my beef is not with the developers, it's with the marketing staff and corporate officers who run the company like a pissing contest - and they're pissing on all of us.
Imagine if Outlook played nice with IMAP, and didn't capriciously embed attachments in winmail.dat files which only work in Outlook. Imagine if Outlook/Exchange used the standard RFC headers
Re:Have you ever heard of "thank you"? (Score:2)
And most frightening is, that those "man in power" see it is as truth, as it should be, and see their mottives utterly right. Yeah, common sense, heh, where have you gone
Re:Have you ever heard of "thank you"? (Score:1)
Yeah, I'm gonna use it anyway (on June 1st). Thank you for all your hard work... I love you man!
Re:Have you ever heard of "thank you"? (Score:2, Insightful)
Shouldn't people be focusing on whether their software works rather than what it's called? Function over marketing-speak?
Re:Have you ever heard of "thank you"? (Score:2)
Of course, but it's not either/or. The same ten minutes alloted to naming could come up with "Golden Retriever" rather than "Spastic Spaniel". I suppose I was just hoping for something recognizable that I wouldn't mind repeating to non-linux people. They want to be mainstream, right?
Re:Have you ever heard of "thank you"? (Score:1)
Yes and no. Mainstream acceptance at the cost of accepting the mainstream paradigm of, say, what constitutes an acceptable (for which many linux types will read "market-droid approved") naming scheme would raise hackles about "extinguishing the very thing that makes Linux so good" or similar.
Re:Have you ever heard of "thank you"? (Score:2)
Geeky Name (Score:3, Insightful)
Then refer to it as "Ubuntu 6.06", and skip the codename.
Re:Geeky Name (Score:2)
This is a nice suggestion otherwise, but you are ignoring the question of whether the names are silly or not. If your point was that it doesn't matter, then why not go with something that won't register as really odd to new users. It doesn't matter, right?
BTW, I will take your advice as much as I can. If someone asks, "You're using Dappe
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Comment Deja Vu (Score:5, Insightful)
In which case, I'd like to use the +5 response as my own:
Thanks!
Re:VIA C3 Bug (Score:2, Insightful)
This is part of a standard FUD tactic you'll get with any discussion of Linux. Somebody'll always post an anecdote about an esoteric piece of hardware they're unable to get to work, normally with the one specific distro of Linux that doesn't support it. It is a deliberate tactic to make it look like Linux has poor hardware support.
The best approach would be to let the mods do their work and it'd be -1 Troll in no time. Sadly, there are enough winshills with m
Re:VIA C3 Bug (Score:2)
I'm pretty sure Microsoft explicitly allows their devs to read slashdot at work and to gain mod points for precisely this purpose... whole battalions of window fanatics poised to mod truly insightfull anti-microsoft posts into oblivion or mod up anti-linux posts
Re:VIA C3 Bug (Score:1)
and this theory is backed up with what real world evidence?
I must be browsing on +5 MS Bashing because I seem to see the opposite...
Re:VIA C3 Bug (Score:2, Funny)
Who's asking- The Department of Redundancy Department?
Re:Nerdy Nutcases (Score:1)
Re:Nerdy Nutcases (Score:1)
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Re:Nerdy Nutcases (Score:2)
I think the only people who really pay any attention to these names are the ones who are already running some form of Linux.
Most other people who don't run Linux probably only are aware of RedHat and Suse, because those are usually the only two names you see supported by apps such as Oracle.
Re:Nerdy Nutcases (Score:2)