Linux Servers Break out of HPC into Enterprise 66
Jane Walker writes "Watch out, IBM, Dell and HP. Linux server vendors that have carved out a space in high-performance computing markets are taking their tailor-made servers into new enterprise markets, providing a welcome change for businesses that want to save money and get customized products."
Hmm... (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Hmm... (Score:3, Insightful)
Take my PowerEdge's please (Score:4, Interesting)
OTOH, Dells with supported (RHEL and SUSE) distros seem to be OK, and DL380s (The Cheap Server of the Gods) seems to be even better, although I had a heck of a time a few months ago tring to get the serial port and LOM to work together during boot. (Mostly that was incompetent HP support. Eventually we figrued out the magic BIOS settings to get it to work.)
So realible hardware is out there but it seems to be going hand in hand with the pay-for-support distros nowadays.
Re:Take my PowerEdge's please (Score:2)
As i'm posting the above, i might as well give it a plug: fone-me.com
Re:Take my PowerEdge's please (Score:2)
Re:Take my PowerEdge's please (Score:2)
Re:Take my PowerEdge's please (Score:2)
Re:Hmm... (Score:1)
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Linux the Only Solution (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Linux the Only Solution (Score:1, Informative)
I'm all for Linux and FOSS (I run Linux exclusively at home, and I try to convince my boss to use Linux here), but don't be so blind as to say Linux is the only way.
Re:Linux the Only Solution (Score:2, Informative)
into Enterprise... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:into Enterprise... (Score:1)
Re:into Enterprise... (Score:1)
Re:Linux Servers? (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Linux Servers? (Score:2)
Re:Linux Servers? (Score:1)
By the "platform" or Operating system
Windows
Linux
Macintosh
By function
Web server
FTP server
Mail server
[/rogers mode]
Perfect Sense (Score:1)
Enterprise Computer (Score:2)
COOL!
Re:Enterprise Computer (Score:1)
Linux Customized Advanced Real-time System
Oblig. question ... (Score:1, Funny)
o wait I guess you can
How exactly do I save money with Linux? (Score:1, Insightful)
Re:How exactly do I save money with Linux? (Score:2, Insightful)
If you read TFA, you'll find several companies providing their own solutions with no redhat licenses involved. You can download all of the Redhat enterprise software right now [redhat.com] for free (open source != licenses) and create a new company providing a specific solution for specific customers.
THat's not something you can do with the "one-size-fits-all" windows solutions.
Re:How exactly do I save money with Linux? (Score:2)
Save money by not being a fool. (Score:3, Informative)
If you have more than one license, you could easily hire someone full-time to do upgrades on your servers and use a free linux distribution like Fedora or Gentoo. (Or even consider the *BSDs). Plus you get someone you can immediately contact in the case of a problem (rather than a phone number).
I realize you are probably concened with uptime and availablity (and hence pay for the enterprise editions), but what kin
Re:Save money by not being a fool. (Score:1)
When
Re:Save money by not being a fool. (Score:2)
Unless he happens to be on sick leave, on vacation, is in an accident or for some reason leave the company. More pay helps but it could be tons of personal reasons that's not enough. One thing I can tell you about one-man operations - they're really sloppy at keeping documentation. It's not bad will or anything but they keep it in their heads instead of on paper, because there's just noone they need to com
Re:Save money by not being a fool. (Score:3, Insightful)
Um, yeah... The enterprise experience you base this statement on is?
$1,200/license doesn't add up to all that much in the grand scheme of things. Assuming you have a sysadmin total cost of $50/hour - that's compensation plus employer's side of FICA plus bennies. At that rate, a $1,200 license pays for itself if it saves 24 hours of sysadmin time. A well designed packaging and management system is capable of doing
This is how you save money with Linux (Score:3, Insightful)
Yup, that it does...so if I choose to use this box for a PostgreSQL database server it costs me $1200...if I decide I want RedHat's support and whatever other goodies. If I don't I can go to Novell and get their enterprise product for as little as $350 (1 or 2 CPUs) and no more than $900 (up to 16 CPUs). Or I can roll my own server using a no-cost distribution.
Note something about these prices too--they are based on servers/server processor
Re:This is how you save money with Linux (Score:2)
There are two things I'll give Microsoft credit for technically. One is that the above is extremely not true. The other is VS2005.
Partly agree (Score:2)
I'd have to disagree wih you on the remote and automated management however. Yes, Windows has some great tools to handle automated deploymet of patches/upgrades/etc, but RedHat and Novell have done a great job the
Title taken from TV Guide? (Score:2, Funny)
Am I the only one that thinks this looks like an episode synopsis you could see in TV Guide for a Star Trek episode?
"Captain! The Linux Servers have broken out of the Hydrogen Pressure Chamber! They're spreading like Tribbles! We can't hold them off for long!"
Linux has enterprise class support now (Score:4, Informative)
Are we... (Score:3, Insightful)
ps- 'Enterprise' doesn't mean anything.
Re:Are we... (Score:2)
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Stop using the word "enterprise" (Score:2)
Seriously. It's become so watered-down it's useless as a description. Every jackass and his dog thinks he needs an "enterprise-level" solution. WTF does it really mean?
If "Enterprise" means "I'm so stupid I'm willing to overpay for a product or 'solution' [which just means 'product you keep paying for every quarter']", then, yes, Linux is very much ready for enterprise setups because it's actually pretty easy to get people to overpay for Linux-based enterprise-level solutions rather than just hire competen
Just how is this a threat to IBM, HP, Dell? (Score:3, Insightful)
The submission makes it seem like these companies are moving into the "enterprise-level computing" arena dominated by the big players. What the article ends up saying, after the hype, is that these companies are putting together custom-build server sets that use Linux. This is news? Oh, wait, they're "breaking out of HPC" .. yet everything in the article is pretty much devoted to describing their HPC builds and customers. Yes, that's neat, but what does that mean in terms of competing with the big three? Ah...they have plans to move into the "enterprise"! OK, again, it's neat what they're doing, but they're still niche players, and I'm still not seeing how they're any threat to Dell, HP, or IBM. Those three already have and support Linux, a pretty good range of hardware, support, and marketing capability. I think there's a place for these other companies, and they're doing some really incredible things with Linux - but I don't see them pushing the big three.
No. (Score:1)
Reason # -1 (Score:1)
Re:Reason # -1 (Score:1)
Is it 1999 again (Score:1)
Enterprise-level support (Score:2)