Amazon Tries Its Hand at Tagging 145
Kailash Nadh writes "Amazon has formed a 'tags team' and has begun using tags on some pages. The idea, apparently, is to slowly experiment with tags and to give users some power over how certain Amazon products - books, for example - are categorized." From the article: "Ultimately, this is interesting because it may well prove to be the most visible example of a company incorporating tags as a way to bring order to information. Outfits like Flickr are big and have tremendous followings, but nothing compared to Amazon's. And if Amazon can make a go of tagging, that may finally be the tipping point that makes the technology something every Tom, Dick and Harry knows about."
Cue the bad jokes about tagging (Score:3, Funny)
A: There's spray paint on the screen.
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If you do a big mural you tag it with your name so people know who did it.
Then people got into skipping the part where they did the mural.
Getting your tag into the riskiest / most visible spot brings you kudos.
Re:Cue the bad jokes about tagging (Score:1)
Series? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Series? (Score:4, Informative)
Amazon, listen up! (Score:1)
Their whole recommendation system is screwy (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Their whole recommendation system is screwy (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Their whole recommendation system is screwy (Score:2)
Well, that's a shame too. I'd really like to be able to specify "I really hate this band" sometimes. Some of their suggestions are just plain bad.
Re:Their whole recommendation system is screwy (Score:1)
While I admit it would be sensible for amazon to group various editions of a CD/book/whatever and NOT suggest them multiple times, selecting "I own it" should solve your problem.
Re:Their whole recommendation system is screwy (Score:2)
I suppose. I don't own "it" though; just something very much like it. Plus, I then wonder if I'm going to have the opposite problem of what I feared about "Not Interested", i.e. they might overestimate my love for that particular band/author/whatever.
I think my overarching problem is overanalyzing how the system might work. If I turned my brain off to some degree I would stop coming up with scenarios like that.
Amazon.com thinks I'm a woman (and they're wrong) (Score:5, Funny)
"Dear Amazon.com customer, Based on your previous apparel, jewelry, and kids' purchases, we thought you might like to know you can save 20% to 50% at the (retailer name removed) Half-Yearly Sale, going on now! Save on a great selection of apparel, shoes, and accessories for women and kids."
Of course there are holes in Amazon's logic:
1. I have never made any apparel, jewelry and kids' purchases at amazon.com
2. Amazon does not ship those things outside the US anyway and I'm in Canada so it's *impossible* for me to buy those things.
3. Even if I wanted to buy anything at this retailer's sale, they only ship apparel, shows and accessories within the US.
4. I am not a woman.
Great job, Amazon.com. Keep showing me, a heterosexual non-american male, all that gay-interest stuff in the gold box and I'm sure to bite sooner or later. Or maybe this is supposedly how homophobes think a person 'turns' gay.
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Yes, it was sent to a dedicated sneakemail address I use only for amazon.ca and amazon.com.
Re:Amazon.com thinks I'm a woman (and they're wron (Score:2)
Now, I'm sure the sample "people who bought Crusade" was pretty small, so perhaps their software got confused. It just seemed pretty funny that there is apparently some sort of tie-in between liking Crusade (a failed Babylon 5 spin-off, for those Slashdotters who may not be that particular sort of geek) and liking Th
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Re:Series? (Score:3, Informative)
The thing that irritates me about amazon are the constant price increases. I signed up for amazon prime and their f***ing prices keep going up. Its now actually cheaper for me to order music on bn.com and pay tax AND shipping than to order on amazon with my "free" amazon prime shippnig. *very pissed customer*
Try deleting cookies. (Score:2)
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Re:Try deleting cookies. (Score:2)
If they thought of anything new, they would have patented it.
Re:Series? (Score:2)
Do you actually get any value out of it? Half the things I look at say, "this item is not available for Amazon Prime" which makes me think I'm better off without it.
Re:Series? (Score:2)
Well, my original thought was this ... I work 50 - 60 hours a week, and commute about 15 - 20 hours a week. I am also very well paid for this, but it basically leaves me no free time whatsoever. I buy a LOT of albums (about 150 a quarter or so) because I listen to music all day at work, which has the effect of keeping me sane and therefore I
Re:Series? (Score:3, Informative)
Actually, they do for most series. When you click on A Crown of Swords [amazon.com], for example, the book title says "(The Wheel of Time, Book 7)", and there's a link below saying "This is the 7th item in The Wheel of Time Series [amazon.com] ".
By the way, it's interesting to see the first few series Amazon has (by changing the
Hmm (Score:5, Funny)
And just wait until Dick looks up all the stuff people have tagged with his name.
Tags and REST (Score:2)
Appeal to a bigger audience (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Appeal to a bigger audience (Score:5, Informative)
Parent Post Tags: clueless "karma whore" "obvious question"
Seriously though, tags are user-provided categorization (including multiple "categorizations" given that you can apply multiple tags) of content. e.g. Search on Flickr [flickr.com] for all photos that are in the union of the tags Toronto and Girl and you'll get photos that have those two tags. The same concept applies to delicious. This is the so-called folksonomy in action, where us lowly serfs categorization content, rather than "the man" in a taxonomy like Yahoo.
However the tag thing is going way too far (as are most "Web 2.0" things) - tags are useful in the absence of a superior classification system. For instance we tag photos in Flickr only because the system can't, thus far, determine what the photo is about mechanically. If it could automatically classify photos [yafla.com], then this folksonomy would prove terribly dated, unreliable, and inaccurate. Look at Google - what is better: The META keywords technique of before, or actually contextually placing each page based upon its actual content?
Re:Appeal to a bigger audience (Score:1, Insightful)
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Here [slashdot.org] and here [slashdot.org] at least. I found those pretty quickly just by searching for "flickr." If I expanded the search to the terms "tagging" & "folksonomies" I suspect I'd find more. Outside of Slashdot, there are a good number of magazine articles on it, too.
Re:Appeal to a bigger audience (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Appeal to a bigger audience (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Appeal to a bigger audience (Score:2)
I heard a rumour that Amazon allegedly removes some negative comments about products in order to keep the inventory flowing. A wiki would probably make it harder for that kind of thing.
Re:Appeal to a bigger audience (Score:2)
Even worse, I work in a division of a company that has the same name as a country. Every time our division name shows up, Outlook wants to send me off to links about the country - we don't even make our shit in that country.
I can
Re:Appeal to a bigger audience (Score:2)
Why tag? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Why tag? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Why tag? (Score:3, Informative)
explaining why feedback from others might be useful to you is difficult, because it should already be obvious.
Re:Why tag? (Score:1)
Amazon.com has a goal of turning a profit. This tag system is an effort to increase sales by pointing potential customers to items that they are more likely to purchase (note: purchase, not want or need). Seeing as though I am not an Amazon.com employee nor a stockholder, I don't feel
Re:Why tag? (Score:2)
Nobody needs Amazon, and nobody needs Wikipedia. But both serve useful purposes when searching for information. I frequently use Amazon to shop or look up products that I intend to buy elsewhere.
I think if you peruse comments on Amazon, you'll realize the rest of the world isn't so demanding of a socialist-paradise retu
Why tag? - Why not? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Why tag? (Score:5, Informative)
By using your ratings to provide feedback on what new books you might like. And yes, the system actually works. [amazon.com]
Pride. (Score:3, Insightful)
It is partly altruism, but it's mostly pride. Amazon provides a voting system where customers can mark whether a specific review was helpful; and as a reviewer, you can watch your tally rise if people find your reviews useful. If you take it really seriously, you can make it into the Top 1,000 reviewers where
Re:Why tag? (Score:3, Insightful)
I run a site (se
Re:Why tag? (Score:2, Interesting)
Like the Reviews (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Like the Reviews (Score:2)
What I really fear is that groups are going to use this system to censor information or entertainment they don't agree with by polluting the tag system so that every signle search returns 110 versions of the king james bible.
Patentability (Score:1)
Re:Patentability (Score:2)
Re:Patentability (Score:2)
Nonsense! Here at the USPTO we grant patents irrespective of trivial details like prior art, gross obviousness and indeed patentability itself.
Gmail? (Score:1)
Re:Gmail? (Score:1)
No, because you don't get the tag cloud that shows you that a lot of e-mails have a particular tag (sex, for example) by showing that tag in a larger typeface.
In future news... (Score:4, Funny)
News.com.com will report that Amazon has received a patent "for the ability of a web object to be identified by the site's users' input of short descriptions or keywords."
As an ex-record store owner, I stopped selling due to Amazon's competitive pricing and selection. I'm a fan of competition, yet the music scene I catered to is completely gone as stores like mine ran the street teams that grew the movements.
Now, Amazon finds a great way to cut salaries by skipping the need for hiring description editors. Still good for the consumer, and in the long run everyone will do better with the savings they reap, creating new and interesting markets.
I forsee this heavy competition leading to manufacturer direct sales, completed cutting Amazon out. They have to be very careful in offering not just cheap and fast, but great return policies and strong user customization of the sites.
Re:In future news... (Score:1)
Technically...
According to economic theory, salaries of people like "description editors" are sunk costs- they are costs that do not increase or decrease in relation to the sales of the books they describe.
Since presumably Amazon is already pricing the product at the optimal point where they can charge the most and still keep a decent volume of sales (see http://en.w [wikipedia.org]
Re:In future news... (Score:3, Informative)
Since presumably Amazon is already pricing the product at the optimal point
This is a bad presumption. My record store sold everything at keystone (100% over cost). Most Amazon prices were 20%. Some small sites sold at 5%.
. But my point is- the consumer isn't going to benefit.
Re:In future news... (Score:2)
I had no idea Amazon messed up niche music scenes. Has online music from non-RIAA sources (such as the "A few alternatives" list" on this [eff.org] page) somewhat reversed that? I thought online music would somehow help new music movements gain more widespread popularity fast
Guess what will be the next Amazon patent ... (Score:1)
Only wait for the patent. (Score:3, Insightful)
It may well prove the end of any other company legally be able to incorporate tags as a way to bring order to information.
Never expect Amazon to show the community any innovative (or non-innovative) way to do anything. They are there only to block advancement by patenting anything they use and aggressively enforcing it.
Keywords with a new name (Score:5, Interesting)
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Re:Keywords with a new name (Score:5, Informative)
The cool thing about tagging is that it is allowing the unwashed masses to categorize stuff. It sort of casts aside the idea of a rigid heirarchy of categories, and uses a "free association" style of categorization.
I think it kind of remains to be seen how useful this will be in aiding people's shopping, especially if you're looking for something specific. Still, I think it's a great idea to harness free manpower from the populace to perform tasks that are difficult for a computer to do unaided.
Re:Keywords with a new name (Score:2)
Basically, keywords + wiki = tags?
Re:Keywords with a new name (Score:1)
More like keywords + PageRank (e.g. votes for keywords) = tags. Actually contextual PageRank that Google uses (where they analyze the text around every link into a site) is akin the "tags".
Of course the folksonomy aspect of it isn't mandatory. Flickr is held up as one of the primary examples of tags, yet the vast majority of photo tags are added by the photo "owners" themselves, just like the days of old with webpages and meta keywords. So you end up with nonsense like this [flickr.com]
Re:Keywords with a new name (Score:2)
Now which sounds more technical: keywords or tags?
Sometimes the name is important.
"I think so, Brain, but if they called them 'Sad Meals,' kids wouldn't want them."
Re:Keywords with a new name (Score:2)
Surprisingly, yes! A keyword and a tag appear to be the same -- it's just a word and it becomes associated with whatever it's attached to. However, when you ask someone to tag an object, like a photo, book, or a person, they end up thinking about the problem differently. Instead of distilling it down to ways that people would find that particular product via a search, they think about categorization, and that makes all the difference
Tags and "smart folders" (Score:5, Interesting)
Interesting thing to see if they come up with some "moderation system"... perhaps a way for the users to validate and agree upon said tags? Or will they just say if enough people say the same/similar thing... it must be true?
Re:Tags and "smart folders" (Score:2)
Tags useful, but for books? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Tags useful, but for books? (Score:1)
I could of sworn most larger libraries used the Library of Congress Classification system [wikipedia.org].
Re:Tags useful, but for books? (Score:2)
Re:Tags useful, but for books? (Score:2)
A tag could tell me if this book is part of the "Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy" series, and searching by that tag could net me a list of all books in the series. Dewey Decimal can't do that.
Re:Tags useful, but for books? (Score:2)
Ontology is Overrated by Clay Shirky (from ITConversations creat site!).
Then if you look at the 200 Religion [tnrdlib.bc.ca] category in the Dewey decimal system you will most likely see a tad bit of unbalancedness. Out of 100 classification slots there are more that are unused than that are allocated to non-Christian religions. A quick overview suggests that a majority of them actually has "Christianity" explicitely in the name or implicitely by being about eg Jesus. Now this may work well in the US,
Re:Tags useful, but for books? (Score:2)
Anyways the link to the speech is http://www.itconversations.com/shows/detail470.ht
Re:Tags useful, but for books? (Score:2)
Then we have the older books just thown into literature. What the heck
sip cap concord (Score:1)
These semantic baubles should be dangled from blogs as much as tags should be glued into amazon records.
There's an example here [amazon.com] (with the concordance and text stats linked half way down).
If only they were as good with their deliveries (after a three week wait in 2003 I gave up on them)
DK
Re:sip cap concord (Score:1)
You, and your Web 2.0, are ridiculous.
Every Tom Swift, Moby Dick, and Harry Potter? (Score:2)
Tagging and their new web mapping service? (Score:2)
(This hasn't been on
Tags and commerce. (Score:4, Interesting)
to build interactive mosaics [coverpop.com].
Currently their search system tends to produce a lot of irrelevent results, because
vendors tag their own products, and unscrupulous vendors tend to assign misleading tags.
For example, when I tried to build a "harry potter" mosaic, I got a ton of search results
that had nothing to do with harry potter.
A collaborative tagging system has the potential to produce more accurate results, especially
if there is a system in place for users to collaboratively give weight to tags, similar to
Slashcode's moderation system. A free tagging system (like Flickr has) is likely to be problematic
on a system in which is commerce is involved, because there is a huge incentive to abuse it.
Re:hey! coverpop is awesome! (Score:2)
I originally noticed this on Friday (Score:3, Informative)
Unnecessary bandwagonmanship (Score:1, Interesting)
Tags aren't applicable to Amazon's domain because everyone knows how to categorize consumer products. Everyone knows to walk to the Electronics section in Target to pick up the XBox360.
Nobody goes looking for their XBox 360 in the "blackthings" section or the "overhyped" tagsection.
Leave folksonomies to categorize the web like http://del [del.icio.us]
Re:Unnecessary bandwagonmanship (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Unnecessary bandwagonmanship (Score:2)
Yahoo's My Web (Score:2, Informative)
I think Tags are a great technology to categorize things into multiple categories. This was previously difficult to do with folders, or priorities. By using tags you can assign both the subject of the item, the source of the item, and the author without having to create specific fields for each of these categories.
I have started to do this with Yahoo's My Web. If I find an interesting Slashdot article I will tag it w
In related news.... (Score:1)
They're user-assigned CATEGORIES dfjkhgjklsfh (Score:2, Interesting)
XML? (Score:1)
Porn? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Porn? (Score:1)
late,
- frank
Re:Porn? (Score:2)
I think its even maintained by a fellow
Re:Porn? (Score:2)
Your comment just reminded me to look up Cleveland Steamer [urbandictionary.com] after hearing it mentioned on Family Guy. That show is so friggin' demented.
Implementing tags on every site seems silly. (Score:1)
It seems to me that using del.icio.us and GreaseMonkey to tag a URL and then display those tags makes more sense than every site creating its own implementation.
A centralized tagging service (think hoodwink.d, if anyone knows what I'm talking about) means that it's easy to get connections between those tags (jump to Flickr straight from Amazon, for example). And of course, it doesn't need to be centralized; you could just as easy run your own tag server for private things, or subscribe to interest-specific
Boycott amazon (Score:1)
heres the proof:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/24/ramasastry.websi te.prices/ [cnn.com]
technology??? (Score:2)
The problem with tagging is that it's about as much fun as sorting a dropped deck of punchcards; people just don't do it unless they are getting paid for it or have absolutely no choice. For example, professional photographers tag because they lose lots of sales otherwise.
And before anyone files the obvious patent, automatic tagging ha
Wrong taggging (Score:1)