Your Homework is Play Video Games 331
GuitarNeophyte writes "Four schools in the UK will be testing a new program idea to use video games for educational use. An IT researcher, along with Electronic Arts (the software game giant) are funding the proposition. 'We're looking at developing some of the softer skills that are needed for the 21st century, such as problem-solving, resilience, persistence and collaboration.' "
Ew... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Ew... (Score:2, Funny)
Actually we did that in highschool (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Ew... (Score:2, Funny)
"But Mom, it's Sunday!"
"Do you want to let us down? Now go back and don't come out until you've put in another 5 hours, and maybe we'll let you watch TV for a couple minutes before bedtime."
Re:Ew... (Score:5, Funny)
1:) milking a franchise for all its worth
2:)Maximising your profits by removing such silliness as overtime wages and workers rights
3:) how to count (One sequel , two sequels
4:) how to rush things to market to upstage your opposition
5:) how to cover up #4 with marketing
Re:Ew... (Score:3, Funny)
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Re:Ew... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:it could be worse; imagine Squaresoft games (Score:3, Informative)
We had this sort of thing in my time. We called it edutainment and it wasn't that popular then either.
I suppose that's possible (Score:3, Funny)
Re:I suppose that's possible (Score:5, Funny)
I beleive this to be the future of education (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:I beleive this to be the future of education (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:I beleive this to be the future of education (Score:5, Insightful)
But then since you can seemingly get branded a child-hating monster of a bad parent nowadays by even looking at your child in a disaproving manner while they rape and old woman... this isn't really surprising.
Children nowadays are given more and more freedom and less and less resonsponsibilites. You can get away with pretty much anything short of murder if you're under 16. What are parents getting in return in order to combat this? Well they're told that it's not their responsibility, and this is reinforced over and over. For those that realise that this is completely stupid and dare actually try and rase their child sensibly, they're attacked for doing so.
Homework is just a tiny fraction of the overall problem here.
Re:I beleive this to be the future of education (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:I beleive this to be the future of education (Score:5, Insightful)
But hey, theres always Ritalin.
Re:I beleive this to be the future of education (Score:5, Interesting)
I am 37 and have heard our generation refered to by some as the last "free range" generation. Some kids got out of line and ended up in trouble, but in balance kids learned where reasonable limits were and were held responsible for their behavior. I later observed in college as a Resident Assistant that the kids to watch out for were the ones who's parents tightly controlled them. The ones that had a longer leash growing up knew how to negotiate the wild wild world without going bonkers. I think the key was that other adults (besides your parents):
It will never be the same, but I hope to provide for my 4 kids some of the life experience I had that I feel is critical.
Re:I beleive this to be the future of education (Score:4, Insightful)
When I was in grade school and high school, we just did pages full of math problems, with no real explanation of what use they are. While I still think that is necessary just to build up practice, I would have appreciated going to the next level and learning how some of those concepts actually applied to real life. As a result, there is a lot of stuff I learned in algebra and trig that I have simply forgotten over the years because I never had a chance to apply it to a real life situation, albeit a simulated one.
Re:I beleive this to be the future of education (Score:2)
As far a real world application, isn't that what the word problems are for?
Re:I beleive this to be the future of education (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:I beleive this to be the future of education (Score:3, Interesting)
Sure, but rather than have them PLAY video games, have the MAKE video games. Yes, you can start that in elementary school - I did, and so did every other kid lucky enough to have a computer prior to 1980 - the masses were getting ATARI though. Besides, you don't need to pay EA to make games: Python and PyGame - now get started.
Re:I beleive this to be the future of education (Score:5, Insightful)
Ummm no. If it is necessary to keep the brats entertained at all times and constantly stimulated in order to get their attention, then there is a serious problem. The correct response is to not allow them to have their toys and games at all if they can't be bothered to come out of their fantasy world and do some work.
Pandering to them and trying to keep them interested because they have the attention spans of fruit flies will only make the problem worse. It is the kids that need to change, not the entire world in which they live. If little Johnny can't be bothered to do his Math homework because it's not as fun as playing Quake, then little Johny should get teh $#!+ beat out of him until he decides that maybe he SHOULD do his work. His math teacher should not have to wear a clown nose, dance a jig, and assign video games for homework just to keep him awake.
Re:I beleive this to be the future of education (Score:3, Insightful)
YMMV..
Re:I beleive this to be the future of education (Score:3, Insightful)
Especially when savage beatings are the next step when positive reinforcement fails.
Re:I beleive this to be the future of education (Score:3, Funny)
They were doing something right back then. (Score:4, Insightful)
The strict discipline of the early 20th century gave children only one choice: to learn! And so they did.
Re:They were doing something right back then. (Score:5, Informative)
Re:They were doing something right back then. (Score:3, Interesting)
Cited:
http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/25/gatto -on-literacy/ [timboucher.com]
Gatto says:
http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/chapters/3j.htm [johntaylorgatto.com]
http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/chapters/3b.htm [johntaylorgatto.com]
(And so on).
He cites military test results in particular.
People used to learn the basics from their parents. Gatto and others like Holt argue it doesn't take more than a hundred hours or so of instruction for almost all kids to learn the basics of reading, writing and arithmetic, and then bootstrap from there on thei
Re:I beleive this to be the future of education (Score:2)
But which gives the teacher more job satisfaction?
Re:I beleive this to be the future of education (Score:3)
What are their ages?
Thanks.
Re:I beleive this to be the future of education (Score:3, Funny)
You know, I'd love to help eliminate the growing apathy problem, but... meh...
Re:I beleive this to be the future of education (Score:2)
Give me apathy, or give me something else!
Re:I beleive this to be the future of education (Score:2)
"Give me ambiguity, or give me something else!".
Or it could be
"Give me apathy, or don't. I don't care."
Nice try though.
Re:I beleive this to be the future of education (Score:3, Insightful)
Bullocks. How will you make the hamburger-flipping jobs they get after graduation not feel like hamburger-flipping? Will EA create a hamburger-flipping game to make minimum wage exciting. This is nothing but a total abdication of responsibility by the teacher organizations.
People need to get it through their thick skulls that success depends not on what hap
Re:I beleive this to be the future of education (Score:2, Insightful)
If you make something easy or fun it loses educational value. This is much more obvious in athletics. I have yet to encounter a workout regime that is "fun" and actually works to make you a great athlete. To run even a 5 minute mile, you have to get your ass out there and run until your veins pump acid and keep running and do it every day with a little day of rest once in a while.
Why is it that everyone seems to think mathematics or language or anything is any different? There may be
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Re:How 'bout teaching the three "R"s? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:How 'bout teaching the three "R"s? (Score:2)
Er, that's not what you had in mind?
Re:How 'bout teaching the three "R"s? (Score:2)
Calling Captain Obvious (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Calling Captain Obvious (Score:4, Insightful)
As an example I'll use my nephew. When he was 5 years old my brother-in-law bought a new computer, after two years of me pleading that he accept that his Packard Bell Pentium 133 wasn't up to playing 99% of available video games. When he did this we almost immediately bought my nephew several K-3 educational video games. At first he really liked them and was excited to play them, until someone gave him their old playstation. Now you can't pull him away from your standard lot of sports and kids games. These games do little to teach more than hand-eye coordination. They are more fun, though, so he'll stick to them.
Ouija Board (Score:5, Funny)
All your homework are belong to us. (Score:5, Funny)
Apparently someone skipped their English homework.
--riney
Re:All your homework are belong to us. (Score:3, Informative)
Re:All your homework are belong to us. (Score:3, Funny)
Perhaps it was administered to them in the form of video games.
Hmm... (Score:3, Funny)
*moves to UK*
Re:Hmm... (Score:3)
how about (Score:2)
Re:how about (Score:3, Insightful)
Dino Park Tycoon
Odell Down Under
and the endless other games we played in school. How is this new?
It's a start (Score:5, Insightful)
I'd be interested to see how this turns out, and if it's actually teacher-led "gaming", as it were, rather than "I'll sit here with a cup of tea catching up on my mountain of paperwork when you play these games and hopefully learn something".
At the very least, it's a start.
Re:It's a start (Score:2)
Not to say that gym class should be only this sort of thing... it just might be a worthwhile component.
Games in school? Not MY child! (Score:2, Insightful)
It's been said before that parents don't care what kind of games their kids play [slashdot.org] but rather how much time they're spending playing them.
Make video games cool? (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Make video games cool? (Score:2, Funny)
Drivers Ed (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Drivers Ed (Score:3, Insightful)
Problem-solving (Score:2)
I don't get all the fuzz about problem-solving. What's so special about it? Why has it suddenly become so important? You can find it even in the synopses of some of the subjects taught in colleges: "helps improve problem-solving skills" or something similar. Except that, well, it's no use if you are a wicked awesome problem solver, but you can
Re:Problem-solving (Score:2)
As you pointed out, what good is being able to solve a problem if you can't define it. You aren't the first to come up with this insight, and as such, these things are taught if the teacher is truly interested in teaching problem solving.
Re:Problem-solving (Score:3, Insightful)
I wonder if every generation says this about the generation they produced. Meanwhile technology still progesses forward.
Great idea! (Score:5, Funny)
Hey, what a great idea! We never needed those before, but NOW there's some serious demand for brand new skills like problem-solving.
Problem solving skills... (Score:2)
How effective are these "educational" games? (Score:3, Informative)
On the other hand, how does one measure the effectiveness of such an initiative?
As for this trial, one has to wonder how much of a push is it from the gaming giant to lure more children into the gaming world?
Sounds like fun! (Score:3, Insightful)
Math Blaster FPS! (Score:2, Funny)
Right. (Score:2, Interesting)
Right. Too bad they will be lacking in social skills and cultural values.
But then again, he did say "needed for the 21st century"...
Re:Right. (Score:2)
Procreation? moral values? ethics? ha... who needs that?
Re:Right. (Score:2)
Cue the "perennial dumbing down of America" posts (Score:2)
EA? (Score:5, Funny)
1) Homework will take 10 hours a night to complete, but "only during crunch time".
2) There are always other students willing to participate in the program if you don't want to
3) Students won't get extra credit, no matter HOW much homework they do
On a more serious note, I've been saying for YEARS that we need to focus on these so called "softer" skills. Current education is too hooked on what a child knows and how well they can memorize, not how able they are to figure things out. I realize that the subjects are supposed to be vehicles to teaching these "softer" skills, the problem is many teachers don't. They teach facts to be memorized ( especially at the higher levels ), not concepts to be thought about.
Skills... (Score:2)
As well as shooting machine guns or plasma cannons while jumping 10ft in midair, jumping out of moving vehicles at 30mph to run into and fly a nearby helicopter, diffusing explosives with a pocket knife, commanding legions of foot soldiers while maintaining a productive economy, and of course... respawning.
This isn't exactly new..... (Score:3, Informative)
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hollow/1093/tv
http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/11
http://www.playattention.com/attention-deficit/ar
What about human interaction? (Score:2)
Headshots for soft skills... :P (Score:5, Funny)
Resilience... Survive long enough in difficult-to-reach sniper spot to make a difference.
Persistence... Inflict as many headshots as possible without missing.
Collaboration... Can someone get me some more sniper ammo?
Re:Headshots for soft skills... :P (Score:2)
Re:Headshots for soft skills... :P (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Headshots for soft skills... :P (Score:4, Insightful)
But then, my experience of online FPS is about 20 hours of Counterstrike: Source, 15hours of that on Dust2 map. 25 per team.
Plenty of sniping, lots of grenades, and choice of weaponry.
And I get BORED sniping. More fun to run around, shooting, retreating, grenading, than sit in one place looking at a cross-hair, waiting for a light pixel near the centre (piece of background in the far distance) to turn dark (Person). BANG. dang, missed.
Why Johnny Can't Deduce (Score:2)
"Soft" skills? "21st century"? In which human-inhabited geologic era were such talents not a near-necessity?
The project may prove valuable, but its mission seems the more commonplace one of sweetening a learning curve ...this time with the known seductions of a joystick...
Bad Idea (Score:2)
A Well Thought Out Reply (Score:2)
Since maybe like the Middle Ages, there have been many differing opinions about hustle and bustle. This cannot be denied. It is my intention to sit down and play video games for several hours.
When I was a child.... (Score:2, Insightful)
If EA is making games for children that'd be great, but Video games for homework only works when we deal with games for learning. Madden isn't going to teach anyone that much except hand and eye coordination and how not to get y
Good--we need some teachers as admins (Score:2)
"No, evilgrrl, that's spelled "dudes". There is no "z" in "dudes". How will you ever write for IGN if you can't spell correctly?"
Look, BillyBadAzz, I know the pirates came and stole your isk. You need to tell them that that's wrong, and not let them do that to you. And Billy... Billy, that's a BAD WORD in your name. You change that right now!
Sorry I can't resist... (Score:2)
Old is new again (Score:3, Informative)
Some of the games that were created back in the 90s were very closely tied in with specific National Curiculum targets, and still manages to be quite fun to play - albeit made on quite a small budget, with the sort of money that EA has to throw at production, these new generation of education games could be really good.
GvR sounds like a good idea (Score:2, Interesting)
the response (Score:2)
Play games, but keep them away from GameFAQs! (Score:2)
My grandson pointed out to me the horrible grammar and spelling of most young people there. He has decent communication skills, and he found it very funny how poorly some of the fools there wrote. GameFAQs is anti-education: it makes young people stupider.
I see no reason why this can't work (Score:3, Interesting)
So, for example, a student plays a game that deals with the multiplication tables. The game is entertaining and informative at the same time, so the kid enjoys playing it. Once the "work" level has been "won", out goes a signal (or a report) stating that little Johnny has completed the work. The teacher has proof that the game was played and little Johnny had fun with it to the point that he looks forward to the next assignment. I don't see this as being difficult to achieve, nor to I believe that this is something that is unattainable as TFA suggests.
Obviously, there are technical issues with this (being cynical geeks we can always find flaws), but I don't see any reason why this could not be done to the point that video games, classwork, homework, and education are synonymous.
So, let's see. A boring book or a complete multimedia experience. Gee, which one do you think the kids will want more? Apparently, the cynics here have not heard of the still-popular Reader Rabbit series.
And give Taco some slack. After years of having to deal with "All Your Base Are Belong To Us" derivative posts on Slashdot, it was only a matter of time before that type of fractured grammar became a part of the Slashdot mentality.
Dance Dance Gym Class (Score:3, Insightful)
Conversation Leaked From EA HQ!! (Score:5, Funny)
Sales Rep: Sir! We have a problem, no one is buying our shitty games!
CEO: Hmmmm.... is it because 25 of our last 26 games have been sequals? [nytimes.com]
Sales Rep: That's part of the problem, sir, but all of our games contain a copious amount of um, shit.
CEO: Interesting. We need a new market approach.
Sales Rep: Sir?
CEO: We sell our games to schools, and say they our educational!
Sales Rep: Brialliant!
CEO: We have to make sure they buy our utter crap too, so let's say "all our genres have something to offer"...
Sales Rep: Oh Sir, the school districts will love it! I'll get the board on the phone right away. Hello Add'em '06!
If you want to teach resilience (Score:2, Funny)
Soft skills (Score:2)
You know, I learn't all these when I was young too. The difference being that I did it in a group of people which meant that I also learn't how to listen properly, empathise with others, social skills, a sense of achievement and made a few friends to boot.
Seriously, I know computer games aren't soley single player these days, but I can't help thinking that there are far better and cheaper ways to teach all this and more and also don't
Sample educational game (Score:5, Funny)
>>turn on computer
The computer is on.
>>play educational game
You are distracted by the bright colors and cool sound effects. You are supposedly learning problem-solving, resilience, persistence and collaboration; skills for which there is no test to measure your progress. You graduate.
>>get job
Your attempt to get a job fails. It is dark.
>>get job
Your attempt to get a job succeeds! You are now a fry cook at McDonalds.
>>get better job
Your attempt to get a better job fails. Your education never prepared you with either the intellectual tools or actual knowledge to succeed. You have no health care, you don't vote, and your kids will turn out even worse than you. Oh, and you've been eaten by a grue.
Your dead
Missing key (Score:4, Insightful)
And, in the back of the package, in small print: Social skills not included.
Reminds me of my homework at the university... (Score:3, Funny)
Game Playing as a Skill (Score:3, Interesting)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/arti
Re:There's a simple truth in all of this. (Score:4, Interesting)
You are a product of the industrialized education system. So am I. We were taught that work wasn't fun, it was work. And it wasn't something we had a choice in, regardless.
My daughter *loves* school. She loves the work, and looking it over, so would I ( and would have, at her age. ).
When I was in 2nd grade, my math homework ( for example ) was a sheet of numbers and operators. She brings home these little booklets that have word problems, stories, with numbers. Both accomplish the same thing, but hers also teaches problem solving ( figuring out which numbers go where in the equation ) AND she enjoys it because it's a story.
I won't even get into the science. They do some awsome things with science now.
History, for some reason, they still teach like they did when I was in school. On this date, this happened. On this date, this happened. And then they test you on the dates. idiotic.
My overall point being, we were taught by our schools not to have fun while doing work. Now a days, teachers have better tools at their disposal, and kids are actually learning to have fun while working.
Now if we could only get the parents to show some interest in their child's education and get the ID people to drop it. A scary world where a teacher feels too threatened to teach science theory because of religous nuts.
Re:This is nothing new (Score:2)
Haven't you gotten tired of this [google.com] yet, after 10 years? And I thought you were working for Sega [google.com]?
As opposed.. (Score:2)
I remember a survey that was a done a few years ago found that somewhere around 60% of American students admitted to having cheated at some point. I don't see how this could be worse, as most game cheats are easily detectable, certainly more so than detecting a duplicate essay.