Government Finishes Internet Study -- 7 years late 444
djp928 writes "A study commisioned by Congress in 1998 to report on internet traffic has finally been published -- 7 years, two presidents, and one internet boom/bust later.
Some of their findings include "DNS is good" and "We should probably have some more TLDs""
What a waste =( (Score:2, Insightful)
$1 million (Score:5, Informative)
"Lawmakers had demanded the $1 million federal study, ultimately called "Signposts in Cyberspace," under a 1998 federal law, the Next Generation Internet Research Act."
Re:$1 million (Score:5, Funny)
Re:$1 million (Score:3, Informative)
Secondly, I bet if you read in the study it'll say stuff like:
"It's in our judgement that internet worms are not going to be become factors until at least 2010."
Re:$1 million (Score:5, Informative)
And now the report says "dozens of new tlds should be added each year".
Duh. Double duh. This what Jon Postel said in 1996.
We now return you to your regularly schedulred ICANN who will do as close to nothing as possible in the area of new tld creation as they can get away with and still pretend to represent the consensus of the Internet community.
Saaaaaaaay, notice how many lawyers and IP guys are on the ICANN board now? Just a coincidence I'm sure, I'm certain we'll see lots of new tlds RSN.
Re:$1 million (Score:5, Insightful)
The guy from Dunn and Bradstreet was correct when he said that "we" were trying to use the registry like an index.
As other people have pointed out, CokaCola just has to buy coke.com, coke.net, coke.us, coke.biz, coke.firm, coke.soda, coke.etc.etc.etc. More top level domains does not increase the "name space", nor does it increase usability. In fact, it obfuscates.
Indexes and portals are in increasing use all the time. A new verb has entered the language, "to google". There is in fact no reason to use a domain name at all, because someone will find your page in Google regardless of what it's called. Even at the time of the BOF, I gave the examples of Yahoo and AltaVista making domain names obsolete.
I really thought that the success of Geocities (.com) was going to make it obvious to everyone. Instead of extra names, they had subdirectories. Numbered subdirectories and a search engine. The URL didn't relate to anything at all.
So what was the result of that BOF, where the brightest minds came together to discuss the issue? Even Postel agreed, it would be best to reduce the number of TLDs. They have outlived their usefulness, that was based on insufficient hardware size/speed at the time. "We" already have country codes,
At some point, the
Bob-
Re:$1 million (Score:3, Insightful)
You're just coming up with all the same old reasons for trying to treat a registry like an index. They are fundamentally different functions.
"When the 'Net was small", DNS was indeed invented in order to make easily remembered names for machines. But the 'Net is not small, and continuing to try to use the registry like an index does
Re:$1 million (Score:5, Funny)
Thats a bargain. It took between $6 and $10 million to figure out Clinton got head from a fat girl.
Re:$1 million (Score:3, Insightful)
For a PhD student to conduct research it takes not only the students salary and the associated overhead (i.e. health ins. Etc...) but also the associated professors time and his salary (and overhead) plus the equipment required to conduct the research (facility, power, computers, connections, etc...). No PhD student creates a substantial piece of work flying "solo", as you put it. There are a lot of people, infrastructure, etc.. involved to put the student in a position to conduct
Re:What a waste =( (Score:2)
$1 million is pocket change to a gov.
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The results are in: (Score:5, Funny)
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That... you... are... not... orks...
no more TLDs, please (Score:4, Informative)
I don't think we need any more TLDs. Especially since silly TLDs like
On top of that, some ccTLDs are being sold for crazy prices. I found one regist
rar that was trying to sell
oes 'ro' mean something in the same way that 'tv' does?
People need to learn to properly use what they have before we can move on. Unfortunately, this has rarely happened in our society and in the end sadly, money rules the day.
Re:no more TLDs, please (Score:5, Funny)
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Here's another study 7 years to late... (Score:2)
Yes, I know it's slightly offtopic, but interesting, no?
Re:Here's another study 7 years to late... (Score:2, Informative)
Step 1: Claim there's WMD in Iraq.
Step 2: In the face of the rest of the world disagreeing with you, invade.
Step 3: When no WMD are found, launch an investigation into your intelligence.
Step 4: Investigation demands that spy agencies are unified and should have more power.
It's almost the perfect plan. You get to invade with no real reason (excepting the spin machine's claims of 'freedom and democracy') while simultaneously conglomerating
Re:Here's another study 7 years to late... (Score:2)
"Robb and Silberman agreed they had found no evidence that senior administration officials had sought to change the prewar intelligence in Iraq, possibly for political gain."
Well DUH...they got EXACTLY what they wanted/asked for, why would they CHANGE anything in the intelligence reports?
Re:no more TLDs, please (Score:2)
Re:no more TLDs, please (Score:3, Interesting)
Anyways, we're a
It's not always possible. (Score:3, Interesting)
The same thing, but worse, happened with dochawk. Within days of my my first query for dochawk.com, it was parked. So I checked for dochawk.net, and it went. I took dochawk.org immedeiately on checking.
Given the timing, I can't believe that anything happened other than someone monitoring the lookups and snatching domains . .
But at least we're posting thi
Re:no more TLDs, please (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:no more TLDs, please (Score:5, Insightful)
It is the classic chicken and egg problem. Until the general population knows how to use TLD's properly, companies will not start using them properly. But companies will not start using them properly until the general population knows how.
Re:no more TLDs, please (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:no more TLDs, please (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:no more TLDs, please (Score:3)
Everyone I know has typed "name" in google and clicked on the first link.
TLDs are absolutely stupid. The only ones that mean anything are
Re:no more TLDs, please (Score:3, Interesting)
I would submit that .mil and .arpa also have meaning. Actually, very important meaning. The moral of the story is: The harder it is to get a domain name in a TLD, the more valuable that TLD is to the end user. The easier it is to get a domain in a particular TLD, the more valuable that TLD is percieved to be by its registrars.
Re:no more TLDs, please (Score:3)
Actually, it's not a problem. Yeah, people don't know "how to use TLD's properly", but they really don't need to.
Other people have correctly pointed out that if you can get to a site through the search engines, the URL doesn't matter. Generally, if you can't get a site
Re:no more TLDs, please (Score:4, Insightful)
Do you really expect Walmart to be happy with Walmart.com, and not also snap up Walmart.biz, Walmart.org, Walmart.biz, Walmart.us, and anything else that comes up?
Junk the TLDs. They were a good idea that has fatally flopped in the real world.
Re:no more TLDs, please (Score:3, Funny)
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Re:no more TLDs, please (Score:5, Interesting)
According to Wikipedia: [wikipedia.org]
They seemed to have profitted from having the .TV TLD, so it's not all bad.
Re:no more TLDs, please (Score:2)
Really... are the people likely to be more worried about getting myname.tv, or getting fixed up when someone hits them because they didn't look while crossing the road?
Re:no more TLDs, please (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:no more TLDs, please (Score:2)
Re:no more TLDs, please (Score:3, Insightful)
You're restricting yourself to a view that has no technical value, and ultimately, almost no social value.
Top level domains are meaningless. Secondary level domains are meaningless.
They are keys into a database which is distributed around the world, and nothing more. The primary reason that we use them is that
Re:no more TLDs, please (Score:2)
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It also offers a handy solution to trademark issues and disposable domain names. Why not "matrix.movie" instead of "matrixmovie.com"? Do you actually think, if this were common, people would have more trouble with the former than the latter? It seems to me that if we had a ton of TLDs, and their usage actually m
Re:no more TLDs, please (Score:3, Interesting)
1) ccTLD operators charging whatever they like
2) ccTLD operators not having a default naming polity (eg
3) Fake ccTLDs: yourname.uk.com
Lack of TLDs is not one I would personally worry about, personally I dislike TLDs, each country should really be aiming for it's ccTLD rather than have everyone fight over who gets the yourname.com
Re:no more TLDs, please (Score:5, Insightful)
Yes, there are too many TLDs already. If you want to fix DNS, why not fix DNS.
Things I like about the telephone directory:
Allows names with spaces
Allows names with punctuation (O'Malley)
Allows entries with identical names
Corporations still have trademark law
I think the only thing ".com" is good for is making it obvious that you're talking about a website.
Re:no more TLDs, please (Score:3, Informative)
The market put a price on
Re:no more TLDs, please (Score:3, Interesting)
Bring back enforced registration rules!
No, seriously. I would be happy if
I would be happy to use
Re:no more TLDs, please (Score:3)
Another interesting case is Scandinavia, which will benefit from the ocean rising. A historic problem there has been that the land is still rebounding from the melted glaciers, and rises of around 1 meter per century are about average. This means that their ha
Typical government study... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Typical government study... (Score:2)
Now on to the Internets study!
Re:Typical government study... (Score:5, Funny)
"Anything that isn't nailed down is ours."
"Anything we can pry loose, isn't nailed down."
"Nothing is impossible to the man who doesn't have to pay for it himself."
Re:Typical government study... (Score:5, Funny)
"Dude look, a booby!"
"That's hot! They're paying us how much to do this?"
Re:Typical government study... (Score:3, Funny)
No wait, the Internet was....busy. Yeah, that's it. That's why the study is late. They tried to send it but the Internet was running slow. They finally moved from Kermit to Zmodem and it picked up enough to send.
New Study (Score:5, Funny)
Findings include: "AC good for long distance" and that "devices that use this new technology may sometime exist throughout a common home"
Re:New Study (Score:2)
They should have... (Score:4, Funny)
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Re:They should have... (Score:2, Insightful)
No, YOU have been spun. (Score:3, Insightful)
No, you are. This is one of the worse Snopes articles, as it tries to gloss over these important facts:
Gore did claim to be the one to bring the Internet into being while in Congress. He used the word "Create". "Invent" means the same thing in this context.
Gore's claim was incorrect: the Internet had already existed, and was called the Internet for a few years before he was in Congress.
Re:No, YOU have been spun. (Score:3, Insightful)
And John Kennedy had nothing to do with putting a man on the moon. After all he didn't invent any rockets. Rockets existed before him. He didn't pilot the rockets. He didn't make space suits. He didn't leave his foot prints on the moon. He did NOTHING.
Well, except he put the political pressure together on all the right agencies to get moving. .... And he made sure the necessary money was appropriated for it. ... and he guided other political groups, Congress and private industry to work toge
Bad analogies (Score:3, Insightful)
Kennedy did launch the Apollo program, actually. But the reason yout analogy is BAD is because the Internet existed before Gore claimed he created it. We did not put a man on the moon before Kennedy started Apollo. A matter of order of events that you are forgetting.
"And it turns out that these are all the same things that Gore did for the internet. Parts existed prior to Gore"
It existed, and it was called the Internet. Others created
Re:They should have... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:They should have... (Score:3, Interesting)
DNS is good? (Score:4, Funny)
more tie-ins (Score:5, Funny)
Did the survey include.... (Score:3, Insightful)
Seriously, you would think that even the GOVERNMENT would be able to react more quickly than that in a tech market that changes by the month. If they planned this thing back in 1998 to take this long the planning committee and folks who approved the money should be brought up on criminal neglegance charges!
We should probably have some more TLDs? (Score:5, Insightful)
Was this study done by domain resellers?
Fewer TLDs are needed (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Fewer TLDs are needed (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Fewer TLDs are needed (Score:2, Informative)
so.. (Score:3, Interesting)
Ever get the feeling the people doing the study got addicted to slashdot?
tdl... (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:tdl... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:tdl... (Score:4, Insightful)
make it voluntary (Score:3, Insightful)
I guess the only one that comes to mind for me is that not every "
Re:tdl... (Score:2)
Romania. Some country in Europe (.eu).
Conspiracy theory! (Score:5, Funny)
Sorry, it's my fault. (Score:5, Funny)
Again, my apologies. It won't happen again.
Re:Sorry, it's my fault. (Score:2)
Your fault huh? So just curious, how did you spend the million bucks on learning "DNS is like doughnuts... pretty good."
Can you hear that gurgling sound? (Score:3, Funny)
Dejavu! (Score:5, Insightful)
DNS is good (Score:2, Interesting)
A perfect example of your tax dollars at work. I sure am glad we aren't spending it on education or space exploration or somet
Just to give folks a idea of the time... (Score:2)
1998: The iMac is introduced. I go ho-hum, my wife goes "I WANT ONE!" Steve Jobs is proclaimed to be next to God in design and everyone starts knocking off iMac colors.
Today: iPod is what is hip. It is expected to exceed Mac in the next year or so. Steve Jobs is proclaimed to be reviving the music industry (which thinks it is God).
So I wonder how current the info is in the report?
DNS is good! (Score:2, Funny)
1 Oxygen is good.
2 Competition is bad.
3 I like jelly.
And then the pointy-haired boss would tell him to take out the part about competition...
Is Dilbert working for the US gov't?
What I want to know... (Score:2, Funny)
The most needed TLD (Score:5, Interesting)
The TLD we all need most of all: .sux
A place where no coropration is ever allowed to register their own trademark!
Re:The most needed TLD (Score:2)
Re:The most needed TLD (Score:3, Funny)
In other news (Score:5, Funny)
The Speed of Light (Score:2)
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Just another lawsuit (Score:4, Funny)
decentralization (Score:2, Interesting)
This seems to be an important conclusion of the study, which the summary failed to mention...
How about replacing internet1 ? (Score:3, Interesting)
I think a new secure (non drm) and multimedia and fiber optic friendly replacement is needed. Also application level protocals could use some new standards as well.
For example Email is a problem that both phishers and spammers are taking advantage of. I heard about Dmail as a replacement for SMTP and Pop3.
I am thinking perhaps several levels of security servers similiar to dns servers producing encryption keys and authenticating phisher scams (maybe a legit business could get a unique key) and email addresses would be nice. Its also too easy to spoof an IP address. Maybe security in a new DNS model that hands out keys would be nice too.
However Internet2 which is being experimented with has its own set of problems. Internet2 mainly deals with IPV6. IPv6 supposed to be a little bit better but spammers and phishers could change their IP addresses by the hour to prevent being caught and being filtered out. We need a better replacement that is more secure and allows better application level embedding for external protocals.
If I were a politician I would do this just and have Darpa and a few companies and academics invest in a newer architecture.
More router friendly support would be nice too to deal with bandwith allocation for different kinds of services like VOIP and UDP media streaming.
Two presidents later? (Score:2)
Was someone the Perj^H^H^H^HPresident in between them?
The study is done! (Score:2)
Government in Action (Score:3, Insightful)
The main problem that this incident shows to me is how difficult it is to kill a government program of any kind once it has been started. Since the study was driven by an act of Congress, it would have taken another bill passed through the entire legislative process to kill the study. Since the people contracted to do the study and the congressmen of whatever state the study was done in had every incentive to keep the thing going, some other group would have had to notice and start a push to get rid of this.
Since it was a small budget item buried in the massive federal budget, nobody noticed it. If it had been noticed and some representative had brought the issue up in the House, the reps from the state involved would have thrown a fit. So it sticks around.
It's important to know that once something is authorized by Congress, it is budgeted for every year unless it is specifically killed in a budget bill.
In Bush's last budget request, the administration included a list of small programs like this one that they wanted to kill. Of course, every single item on the list had reps saying how critical it was to keep the funding.
Maybe we should be spending a little more time looking at what the government is actually doing rather than talking about tinfoil hats and berating George Lucas.
Cheers...
TLDs I'd like to see (Score:3, Interesting)
Every movie has a web site, but there's no way you could possibly guess the URL to most of them. If there were a restricted
Every radio and television station is assigned call letters by the FCC (well, the station chooses, but the FCC actually assigns it). Stations usually also choose a name that they use for marketing, usually related to their call letters somehow. There would be quite a bit of overlap [google.com] if radio stations could register their chosen marketing name under the
I'm not sure if
Again, these TLDs would be useless if they weren't carefully restricted, but if usage became common enough that you could expect the domains to be registered, it would probably be pretty useful.
Re:What's a TLD? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:What I really want to know.... (Score:2)
Re:They found..... (Score:3, Funny)