Fifteen Years of Technology Reporting 182
jeffdsimpson writes "PC World NZ is 15 years old this month and they've written a story looking back at some of the statements made in the magazine over the years. Some gems include 'The past 10 years have seen a dramatic increase in clock rates, from just under 5MHz for the original IBM PC to 33MHz for the latest 386 systems. This more than six-fold increase will not be repeated' from July 1989 and 'The Internet Connection Company of New Zealand (ICONZ) offers full internet access and charges $50 a megabyte for email, and $10 a megabyte for all other information sent or received' from April 1994"
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More corect assesments. (Score:3, Funny)
Classic Dumb Terminal
"It's ridiculous claiming that video games influence children. For instance, if Pac-man affected kids born in the 80s, we should by how have a bunch of teenagers who run around in darkened rooms and eat pills while listening to monotonous electronic music."
Finally. Someone knows why Raves and Ecstasy (The drug, not the feeling) are so popular.
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or, if you really mean pop shots, i'd love to know what that means, so that i may spread the message.
do not take this as just another OCD spelling spazz. i'm not pissed, just trying to be helpful. thank you, come again.
Re:nice (Score:3, Funny)
Rus
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Did you mean "pot shot" [wordsmyth.net]?
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http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=113251& c id =9594082
doesn't allow comments to be posted anymore.
Anyway, in answer to the question you asked right at the end, the answer is of course yes. It's called CNC (computer numeric control) and basically you program the millhead's (or lathe, or rapid prototyping unit's) movements, insert the material and there you go: tolerances up to and including ten thousanths of a centimeter, every time (o
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Point taken, and it is a good one.
I guess I'm from the cruder side of engineering where a carefully calibrated whack with a hammer to fix things is often good enough in the field (although if you wander around my website you'll see some interesting, complicated stuff).
I've always wondered if "piping design" is similar to motherboard circuit design. With the former there are multiple fluids/pressures/temperatures to contend with. PCB design would seem to be relatively simple, but what do I know?
After
it's getting very close to a slashdotting (Score:2, Informative)
PC World at 15
It was 5475 days ago today, or thereabouts, that your favourite computer magazine first hit newsstands. PC World lifer Chris Keall looks back on the laughter, the tears and the $24,000 386.
Chris Keall
Monday, 28 June, 2004
Since it first appeared as a standalone magazine in 1989 (having done time in the trenches as a Computerworld supplement), PC World has chronicled the highs, the lows and the sometimes keyboard-pounding agony that is the
Re:it's getting very close to a slashdotting (Score:1, Funny)
By "it", I take it that you mean New Zealand?
Re:it's getting very close to a slashdotting (Score:2)
This was a typo, it should have read...
Star Trek references intrude with tribbling frequency.
That's a lot of money (Score:1)
I would be paying a fortune for my connection
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Neither would have Linux
(Who didn't download a distribution here?)
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I'm misremembering, and misreading the grandparent's quote from the article. I'm not sure that we were ever charged a different price for email and other traffic (our internet connection predated commericial ISP's like ICONZ, so we were getting billed $4/Mb for our international traffic directly from Waikato University). The FTP by email thing was from before we
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The only reason you could be excused for writing 2, is if you're writing a text message with a mobile phone that lacks predictive text messaging. You're not doing that. Get a clue.
Why?! (Score:2, Insightful)
From the article
Windows 3 is more than an update. In many respects it's an entirely new environment ... To really take advantage of Windows, you'll want either a fast 286 or a 386 machine, preferably with at least 2MB of RAM. Enhanced mode allows you to run multiple DOS applications.
So, why can't Microsoft duplicate this feat with Win2k3? I'd like to see them fit it into a 2 MB footprint, or 20 MB.
Reminds me that I stepped into the x86 world in July of '93. I bought an AST 486/25 SX with one meg. on-bo
Re:Why?! (Score:3, Informative)
Also, let's not forget a modern monitor supports 1024x768 x 32bit colour easily. Keeping your wallpaper in memory costs at least 2 megs of ram. No I didn't calculate that. I think it comes to ~3 megs. Windows has more support + services to support the support than you can shake a stick at.
I'ms ure if you went with a fine tooth combe though, you can get it to work on lower end machines.
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I realize why I don't read PC world (Score:4, Insightful)
Why do people read these things, anyways? PC World is nothing but a catalog of buzzwords and hype. Always was.
Re:I realize why I don't read PC world (Score:2)
Why do people read these things, anyways? PC World is nothing but a catalog of buzzwords and hype. Always was.
Interesting - I've only read a few PC Worlds (I'm UK-based so my magazine consumption tends towards the UK and US) but it struck me as relatively practical, and mercifully buzz-word free. Was I just lucky with those issues?
(Off-topic: any other NZ/Australian/Asia-Pacific magazines anyone would recommend?)
The folly of prediction (Score:1)
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Re:The folly of prediction (Score:1)
Here's an example:
Apple predicts it is going to sell X iPods so they start manufacturing expecting to meet that demand (or in Apple's case it often seems to fall just short of that demand to create false demand but that is another story). When the iPods become wildly popular they sell far more than X. While the prediction was
The more things change (Score:3, Funny)
How can I tell if I am a nerd?
"Subtract the number of girlfriends/boyfriends/wives/husbands you've had from the number of computers you have owned. If the number is positive, you are a nerd."
Damn, I'm at +5....
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I've only had 6 computers so far, and I started with a VIC-20 back in 1982 or 1983.
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Any way, I must be behind the times. And no, I'm not some Focus on the Fa
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Making things up in an attempt to make other
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WTF am I doing here on Slashdot!?
Having hallucinations, apparently.
Try Popular Science or Popular Mechanics (Score:5, Interesting)
No news source is ever going to own up to its really spectacular gaffes, though. I'm going off to our family cabin this weekend. There are lots of old Popular Sciences there -- I think my grandfather's -- from the early 1950s. Sample article, paraphrased:
(And yeah, that's a real example.)
Popular Mechanics from back in the day has a lot of do-it-yourself projects that would kill anyone who tried them. Example: Make a "backpack" for your car from plywood, clip it on with a couple of cheap latches, and let your kids travel cross country back there. That one stuck in my mind, but there are many others.
The ones they'll admit to in articles like this are like the Popular Mechanics article from the cabin about bizarre new cars from Europe: Front Wheel Drive? Seatbelts that go across your shoulder? They'll never catch on, because surveys done by Ford show Americans want bigger and bigger vehicles.
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Here's my favorite example [milk.com]. I have five, soon to be six kids. I need this now!
Surely we can work in nukes somehow (Score:2)
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Well I guess at least Ford got it right...
That seems to vacillate (Score:2)
Meantime Ford's share of the overall market plummeted next to Japanese makers who weren't even in the picture in my old magazines. Honda and Toyota came into the market in the 70s with the compact commuter car. Volkswagens before them, too, with the original Beetle (and the first minivan, which we never really acknowledge). And Ford, with its surveys showing Americans wanted bigger boat seda
What currency are they using? (Score:2)
Looking back, sometimes is scary (Score:4, Insightful)
Fifteen Years of Technology Reporting
In general, And still no expose on price fixing and monopoly abuse, still no coverage of fundamental research in both software and hardware, just the same copy and paste press release stories. No undercover journalism, no coverage of the spamming and malware writing "bad" parts of PC town. Still the same meaningless benchmarks and megahurts ads for articles. No coverage of the scary moves by the once garage operation and now mega coorporations. No credit where credit is due for real inovation, no mention of the real inventors of "the next cool thing", just of the latest guy to market a clone years later.
Overall I really hope that the dead tree coverage is better elseware in this world. Beside the likes of el`reg [theregister.co.uk] and vulture HQ [theinquirer.net] only C`t [heise.de] seems to have some grip with what is going on. At slashdot we often joke about the dumbed down (or plain dumb) coverage by "normal" news sources (cnn/nyt), but the dedicated dead tree rags basicly have no journalism/real news whatsoever.
Sure its more complicated then this, but when looking back, do you see improvement over the years?
Re:Looking back, sometimes is scary (Score:2)
what's the point of publishing an in-depth magazine when the information therein will be common knowledge long before you even go to press?
I see the same thing in arts coverage (Score:3, Insightful)
(I cut and pasted that text, incidentally.)
Back when I worked at a major modern art museum, we had the two large local papers essentially parroting back our press releases about new shows as "reviews." These were big time journalists covering areas in which their subjective opinions were an accepted, encouraged part of their columns. They showed less intellectual curiosity than most fifth graders I know, at least in print. It was mostly about playing it
Crazy speeds (Score:2)
$10 a megabyte (Score:3, Interesting)
If you have a satellite internet connection (which you might need in places where the telephone service is very poor, in parts of Africa for instance) then you will pay around $10 a megabyte today if you pay as you go.
I have a friend who pays this much, so I always keep my emails to him short, and don't attach a sig.
Re:$10 a megabyte (Score:2)
Lib_of_Congr_backup_07-22-2004.zip
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Hey [insertname],
Just a short note to say hi!
Heres the file you wanted.
James.
Attached: Redhat_dvd.iso
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I know your being thoughtful and kind to your friend, but an extra page of text isn't going to break his piggy bank, and it will help with his signal/spam ratio.
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This reminds me of an incident back in '95 or so when a friend of mine sent out one of those chain emails, "Can you guess what 80s song these lyrics are from?" to a group of about 10 of us. The email got replied to and attached to and sent to the whole group several times as people tried to answer the quiz.
Finally, one guy sent an email to the group asking everyone to please remove his email address from f
Interesting! (Score:2, Redundant)
Isn't that a rave?
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some people attribute it to a nintendo power editor
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WE ARE FUNNY! SPACE INVADERS JOKES OWN YOU BITCHES! HA!
settle down err.....
[adult swim]
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And so it begins... (Score:1)
Ah, that brings back memories... A solid move from MS to kill off it's competition. I haven't thought about windows without a browser for a couple of years now, and from the looks of things now, I'l
Obligatory statement: (Score:1)
"..from just under 5MHz for the original IBM PC to 33MHz for the latest 386 systems. "
Just imagine a beowulf cluster of these!
What does this teach us about the future? (Score:3, Informative)
I remember reading the first such report in 1996, and finding predictions of 500GB disks in PCs for the year 2006 somewhat inconceivable. There were similar results for CPUs and memory.
I just had a quick look on the CERN website and found their latest report (2002) [home.cern.ch]. There's a lot of information in there, much of it quite technical, and I'm in a rush so let me leave the interested to read it, and I'll just make a few points:
- The predictions they've been making for the last 8 years have turned out to be much too conservative in some fields.
- KCHF and MCHF stand for kilo-swiss-francs (803 USD) and mega-swiss-francs (803,000 USD). Yes, the people there really think in these numbers. They're scientists.
- LHC is the next generation of CERN experiments, due to go online now in (I believe) 2007. As far as data aquisition goes: "A peak rate of 1000 MBytes/s is required, and capacity for 5000 TB per year. This is a rather minimal requirement in terms of drives. In practice, support for ~2.5 GBytes/s might be needed at LHC startup"
Interesting tidbit... (Score:2)
From the article:
Self-aware computers
Even after 60 years of development, computers are still basically machines that can only crunch an endless stream of ones and zeros. Although several research projects are focusing on imbuing computers with reasoning and decision-making cognition - one has been under way for 20 years - that remains a holy grail for computer science. [emphasis mine]
I've long dismissed computers ever being self-aware. As I've heard before, "The subject of whether or not a compu
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And you have scientific evidence for this right? You wouldn't be spouting off your own personal opinions as fact now would you?
Re:Interesting tidbit... (Score:3, Insightful)
I believe...
Your beliefs in a soul or spiritual component to human existence are only beliefs. They are not scientific fact and should not be presented as such.
K
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And let's not forget that for about 2600 years of this fad, the most respected thinkers believed the Earth to be the center of the Universe.
They weren't off by much, were they?
Anyone who looks for absolute truth from science is going to be sadly disappointed. Science explains observations; it does not, nor can it, determine what is truth. Science only ponders what is already accepted as true - it does not determine it. The determ
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That was then, this is now. Today humans constantly ask computers to do the thinking for them. My car has dashboard lights that tell me if my engine needs servicing or my oil need replacing; gone are the myriad dials that I would have to interpret myself. Stoplights are connected to sensors and to each other in order to optimize rush-hour traffic flow.
And that's just at the consumer level. Power plants and grids rely on systems designed not only to regulate power, but shut it down if necessary. PC software does "intelligent" background searches to locate information related to whatever I'm typing or reading. Most of the systems in a large airplane are automated because it would be impossible for a human to react quickly enough to maintain them.
The real problem with intelligent computers is that computers are still designed to live in a world of absolutes, truth and falsehood, and people never do. We don't learn about the world from logic, but instead we create logic to analyze the world. Human (and animal) brains learn by identifying patterns, and then observing when those patterns are broken. Computers are built around patterns and then, when those break, so do the computers.
Self-awareness is a property that the soul impinges on the mind, not an inherent property of neurons.
This is a metaphysical question, entirely unprovable, and one that real researchers try to avoid.
Give it time (Score:2)
Computer (and robotic) technology has been around how long? 60 or so years in practice?
Re:Interesting tidbit... (Score:2)
As said elsewhere, that (and pretty much everything else in your post) is your belief, not a scientific statement.
You obviously believe it though. Now, if your belief is mistaken, this suggests a conspiracy. Specifically, your neurons have something to hide and are trying to cover it up by making "you" believe this. I suggest retaliation- specifically, kill those pesky neurons by blowing you
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biggest problem with self-aware computers is that we can't even agree what it means...
Step 1 of software engineering: Define the problem....
So, it would seem that the barrier to AI is one of human understanding, not of computational ability? If so, we'll never be able to make a computer smarter than us. The fantasies of a computerized future in which computers possess better judgement and intellect than a human is just that - a fantasy. In short, mankind cannot create what it can't understand.
Win 95 on 386. (Score:1)
I remember installing it on my home computer, a 386 sx (no math co) 25MHz, 20MB Harddisk and 4 MB RAM. Yes I had to install diskdouble and set default free space reporting to 3x to bypass pre-installation HD space checking by the installer.
Platform diversity (Score:2)
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In 1989 I had an ST I think. The Amigas were going strong, and the C64 was hanging on in there by its fingertips. The magazine awards best PC to a Mac IIcx. In the UK at least, there were things such as the Amstrad PCW range - CPM-based (I believe) green screen business machines that did well for themselves as straight wordprocessing devices.
Then slowly it all died
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Re:Platform diversity - with linebreaks this time (Score:2)
I bought a C64 from eBay a couple of months ago. It's amazing, but it's still possible to buy unopened, shrink-wrapped games if you look hard enough. I bought Psi 5 Trading Company on disk, and it arrived shrink-wrapped complete with registration card and a question about "which computers do you own?"
God I was tempted to send that card in.
Cheers,
Ian
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Whats next? Duplicate rant about dupe comments?
the big shift was as Gates made it. (Score:2)
Free software might not make it possible to compete with slave labor, but it will help. If the largest cost of hardware becomes the "IP" of BIOS and software, f
X-Rated Picture (Score:4, Funny)
"A telephone connection can transport you from one bulletin board to another [...] We were able to download an X-rated picture, no questions asked."
WHAT'S THE NUMBER PLEASE POST
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(anti-lameness, blah blah blah)
for those who havent bothered to RTFA (Score:2)
"Yes, Compaq is first to our shores with a Pentium-based PC - the $8750 ex GST 5/60M. The '5' is to remind a few of us that this is actually a 586 even if Intel insists we all speak Latin."
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clock speed, not far off (Score:2)
Their predictions on clock speed actually aren't that far off the mark, assuming they're talking about the system clock as a whole rather than just the CPU clock speed.
When the 486's came out shortly after that article in 1989, the fastest speed they got up to was still only 33MHz. By applying clock doubling, Intel was able to get the DX2 CPUs running at 66MHz internally -- but externally mainboard speeds were still 33.
In fact, mainboard speeds STILL peaked at 33MHz when the first generation of Pentiums
Re:clock speed, not far off (Score:2)
50MHz - P-50, p-75
60MHz - P-60, p-90, p-120
66MHz - P-66, P-100, P-133, P-166, P-200, P-233
I might be wrong about the P-100. Ars Technica agrees with me: see here [arstechnica.com].
Note that the fastest 486s were AMD parts - their 486DX went up to 40 MHz, and the "486DX4" (clock tripled, not 4x as the name would imply") had 100MHz and 120 MHz versions!
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Before the early 90s, Intel's processors had always had a bus speed matched with the processor speed. The problem was, Intel was hitting the wall as far as bus speeds with current technology, with the 486DX 40, 50 and the Pentium 60, 66 rounding out the high-end. Thus, there was a push in the early 90s for internal speed multipliers.
Intel got a lot of flack for this move, but they were able to price the DX2/SX2 and P75 parts quite attractively. Also, the
Slashdot Archives! (Score:3, Informative)
Here's a start:
1 Year [slashdot.org]
2 Years [slashdot.org]
5 Years [slashdot.org]
Modifying the URL to go to an arbitrary day is easy. Just modify the YYYYMMDD code in the URL:
http://slashdot.org/index.pl?issue=19990722
It would be nice to see the
How much did YOU pay for your Visor Pro? (Score:2)
Ummm, $999 Handspring Visor Pro? Methinks not...
Reminds me of another article I laughed at (Score:2)
The Rules of Future Predictions (Score:3, Funny)
2. The people in the future will mercilessly mock you for it.
The prices are most shocking (Score:2, Interesting)
They are talking about $28,000 PCs... who the heck would ever pay that much for a PC? They talk about $3,000 as a "breakthrough" when today you can grab an average system for $1,000 or less.
I would be curious to see a price trend chart over the years, of the "high-end PC", "average PC" and "bargain PC", whatever that meant in each ti
Re:Dear God why does /. suck so hard? (Score:2, Insightful)
Formerly you studied and learned your knowledge once in your lifetime. In school and college, that is. After that you lived on and used the knowledge.
Everyday life was rapid and the knowledge stayed. Now it is vice versa. You probably can't tell if you had a brunette girlfriend year or three ago, or in which year you found your nowadays favorite band.
The computer world changes entirely in a few years. You'd never mistake a 2002 PC f
Re:Dear God why does /. suck so hard? (Score:2)
In similar condition, both running Windows 9x, I doubt that there would be much perceivable difference. Obviously speed/hard-drive size; *possibly* monitor size would give it away, but fundamentally, it's still a beige-box PC compatible.
You'll notice the real difference when the PC is no longer the dominant form of computer.
"Oh yeah... I remember, I used to use one of those all the time.".... and you realise just how much things have changed.
Platform diversity (Score:3, Insightful)
In 1989 I had an ST I think. The Amigas were going strong, and the C64 was hanging on in there by its fingertips. The magazine awards best PC to a Mac IIcx. In the UK at least, there were things such as the Amstrad PCW range - CPM-based (I believe) green screen business machines that did well for themselves as straight wordprocessing devices.
Then slowly it all died
Ignore parent - wrong thread. (Score:1)
My only defence is that Slashdot was acting strangely - 503 errors all the time, taking years to respond.
Cheers,
Ian
As long as there... (Score:2)
Kjella
Re:Platform diversity (Score:2)
PCW [euronet.nl]s are still hanging on, occasionally. Z80-based, usually 256 or 512kB of memory, 720kB floppies (3.5" for the recent models, 3" for the older ones). Suprisingly l
Re:Platform diversity (Score:2)
Whats next? Duplicate rant about dupe comments?
Re:Platform diversity (Score:2)
The flamewars of the few square metres of school playground beside the library doors, you mean