Congress' Tech Agenda 103
A reader writes: "Fox News is running a story on Congress' Tech Agenda. We have all been reading about plenty of legislation as each bill is introduced or considered, but it's nice to see a major news outlet picking up on the larger trend."
Digital Media Consumers Rights Act (Score:5, Insightful)
Speaking of right direction (Score:1)
New Taxes Are Not on the List
Support Internet Tax bills already in Committee (Score:5, Informative)
As mentioned in the article, legislation has been introduced in both the House and the Senate that will extend the current moratorium on new taxes for Internet access and e-commerce activity.
Contact your members of Congress and voice your support for House Bill H.R. 49 and Senate Bill S.52
Contact Congress concerning H.R.49 Here [congress.org]
Contact Congress concerning S.52 Here [congress.org]
Polite emails (and/or snail-mailed letters, as they carry the most weight) simply stating your support for these bills will suffice.
I support an internet tax (Score:1)
the tax should be spent on keeping the infrastructure of the internet upto date, and reducing the cost of access to people.
This will help e-business, intuen reducing costs and overheads for everyone, and help make companies think before swapping private data.
This is easier than you would think, since a few companies hold most of the credit/consumer data.
Re:Support Internet Tax bills already in Committee (Score:2)
Reason to vote out old aged Congressmen (Score:1, Insightful)
The older members come from a time when only the federal government could decide what entertainment/tech innovations made it in the marketplace.
Younger congressional members will be much more open to innovation.
We never want another thing like digital audio tape machines to be killed via industry lobbying and congressional stalling.
Vote out all of the obsolete older ones.
Re:Support Internet Tax bills already in Committee (Score:2)
If all sales are treated the same, the best system prevail by its merit.
If there are tax incentives, government distord the market, favoring some solutions over others. As an european, tax free internet doesn't exist for me, as long as I buy from european union. If buy on the net, it is for the quality of the medium.
But I'm surprised americans don't see tax incentives as a disguised government interventionism. Or perhaps they are too greedy to pay 7% on goods if they can (here, the norm is 19.6%), distording free markets and concurence in the process.
I see no reason why government should protect business models based only on the non-contribution to society.
Re:Digital Media Consumers Rights Act (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Digital Media Consumers Rights Act (Score:3, Insightful)
No, they don't get it. (Score:4, Insightful)
No, it's a step towards legitimizing the DMCA which should be repealed. Copyright law is so strong already that the Supreme Court's favorable opinion called it "unwise". DMCA outlaws technology instead of enforcing copyright. "Circumvention", making use of things you own, and reverse engineering, simply understanding how things work, should not be crimes. Do not support half measures so that you can be comfortable in your slavery and your children will think you are a criminal for being curious. Laws that make specific exceptions to the gross and unconstituional language of the DMCA are not good for anyone.
Wholesale redistribution, aka publication, of other people's content is wrong. It deprives artists and publishers of fair returns for their efforts. This is what copyright is all about.
Using your own media and recieving radio waves that pass through your house is not wrong. Sharing the media you enjoy with a few friends and playing for yourself when you feel like it is not republication and nothing is wrong with it. Decrypting radio waves passing through your house is not a republication. Outlawing your ability to do these things and share that information with your friends is what the DMCA is all about.
Re:Digital Media Consumers Rights Act (Score:1)
Are they getting a clue??? (Score:5, Interesting)
2) The DMCRA
Is it just possible that they're getting a clue? As a coworker says, "dawn breaks on marble head..."
Careful: Congress and it's position on TIA (Score:5, Insightful)
"Government programs such as the Defense Department's Total Information Awareness Project, data-mining activities, biometric initiatives and various forms of tracking programs have already come under fire for privacy violations.
Congress, however, defunded TIA in the 2003 omnibus spending bill it passed Thursday night. In passing the rule, Congress said it wants a guarantee that the government's database program will not infringe on civil liberties before it approves its continuation."
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So this is far from dead and the demand by Congress that they "want a guarantee that the government's database program will not infringe on civil liberties" does not sound, to me, like an effective counterbalance for our freedoms over the long-term. What we should be pushing, lobbying (and fighting) for is EXTREMELY STRICT oversight of any project that involves collection of personal data for ANY reason. But only if we fail to stop the damned projects in the first place.
ZDNet seems to have got the clues.... (Score:4, Interesting)
1. Internet Tax: A lame troll by David.
http://www.zdnet.com/anchordesk/stories/s
2. Cell phone rights:
http://www.zdnet.com/anchordesk/stories/
3. DMCA, Lexmark and printer refills:
http://www.zdnet.com/anchordesk/stories
4. Hollywood, DVDs, DMCA Fair-use rights:
http://www.zdnet.com/anchordesk/stories/
5. Copying music, Boucher-Dooliitle:
http://www.zdnet.com/anchorde
Judging by the Talkback generated by David Coursey, it seems he's got the 'average-Joe' readers excited with his unique sensationalist style of journalism.
Re:ZDNet seems to have got the clues.... (Score:1)
Second, I just checked David Coursey's latest article in ZDNET, and it came up with an advertisement for that TurboTax "Boot Track" Virus. How ironic.
The media's agenda as well (ZDNet) (Score:3, Informative)
Re:fox news.. (Score:2)
shudder... vomit...
She's a Nazi for god's sake...
Re:fox news.. (Score:1)
She worse than that, even....she's a neoconservative
Re:fox news.. (Score:2)
That's why conservatives think she's hot.
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Warm Safe Feeling (Score:5, Insightful)
Looking closer, I found that the main debate is between 1) Keep the DMCA and enforce it better, and 2) Completely wacky measures like banning unprotected digital media.
But since that's kind of worrying, I think I'll just sink back into that warm, safe feeling now... mmm...
What do you do when... (Score:5, Insightful)
Backing the entertainment industry, Sen. Ernest Hollings, D-S.C., may reintroduce a bill to prohibit the making and distribution of "digital media devices" unless they include government-approved copy restriction technology.
Hollings has said that he really doesn't want the legislation, but some type of compromise is needed. Various tech industry groups and the Recording Industry Association of America recently promised to fight any such mandates and work out the piracy problem.
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Hollings, along with Sen. Conrad Burns, R-Mont., and Rep. Cliff Stearns, R-Fla., are also likely to introduce a comprehensive privacy bill to protect online surfers, who before Sept. 11 were pre-occupied with identity theft, but now must add government surveillance to their list of concerns.
I guess with all I've been seeing recently, half right is better than expected. But my frustration with our two party system grows. Too often I see two candidates who both agree with me on half the issues and disagree with me on the other half. I can't send a message by voting for either of them, other than "this set of my beliefs is more important than that set". Other than writing letters, or running for office myself, what really can be done to get the message across?
Re:What do you do when... (Score:2, Funny)
Re:What do you do when... (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:What do you do when... (Score:2)
So what you Americans that don't have huge amounts of money really need, if it isn't blindingly obvious already, is a MUCH fairer system to the ludicrous current electoral system that allows a president to be elected without obtaining the most votes, preferably one that involves PR.
Re:What do you do when... (Score:3, Insightful)
This article here [avagara.com] gives a decent overview over why the electoral college is probably superior to just counting straight votes. It mostly has to do with lessening the power of voting blocs. Of course, voting blocs reminds me of the huge problem with gerrymandering in this country. Sigh.
Perhaps the electoral college is really a problem, and I'm not looking at it correctly, but I really doubt it. Twice in 200 years have we had the person who won the popular vote lose the election, and that seems like a small problem if the system decreases the power of large blocs.
Re:What do you do when... (Score:2)
Re:What do you do when... (Score:2, Flamebait)
Greater weight is given to voters in sparse rural states. If you want the greatest say in a presidential election, then become a resident of Wyoming.
Even greater influence than that, of course, can be had for a price.
Re:What do you do when... (Score:2)
Re:What do you do when... (Score:2)
"Too much power" sounds like a value judgement that probably depends on whether you're a member of a highly populated area or a sparsely populated area.
The recent election of GWB showed the critical importance of getting votes from the sparsely populated states, since he was able to gain an electoral majority despite garnering slightly less of the popular vote than his opponent.
I think the time-tested best strategy depends on two things: a strong showing in the earliest primaries, and a financially robust campaign organization.
Given those two ingredients, it's all pretty much reduced to a beauty contest for striking an emotional reaction with the voters. You'll need hair on the top of your head, not on your face, no glasses, a friendly smile, etc. Good actors have an advantage.
Re:What do you do when... (Score:1)
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Re:What do you do when... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:What do you do when... (Score:2)
Whereas now, you have a few people in rural areas being given WAY more power than a large number of people in urban areas. I just totally disagree with you as to what 'fairness' is. To me, giving each person, no matter where they live, an equal voice in democracy is a lot more fair than giving each similarly-sized region an equal voice.
Besides, only twice in 200 years has someone lost the popular vote and won the electoral, that still does make him president, despite what a few far left-wing liberal hacks would like you to believe.
Of course it makes him president. The 'left-wing liberal hacks' aren't trying to argue that this isn't the case; indeed, they're saying that this is what's wrong with the system, and I agree!
Re:What do you do when... (Score:1)
Re:What do you do when... (Score:3, Funny)
The problem: exit polls have failed in inverse proportion to electronic voting systems being adopted. These systems are closed source, frequently unaudited, and are more and more not giving any sort of paper receipt that the voter can check and verify that that was their vote.
Enter Microsoft. Yep, that's right, that voting machine software and the database behind it might be a Microsoft product. Why pay three times more than Enron (2000 elections) when Microsoft's proprietary voting system can just elect whoever Microsoft likes once Microsoft has enough market share in the voting system market? Audit? Why you can't audit Microsoft! That would endanger their precious IP! [Insert grumbling about "terrorist scum" here.]
You know, we ought to do something about this, before we get Bill Gates elected president by an electronic landslide. All in favor of accountable voting systems, raise your hands.
"Ridiculous, you have no claim. I'll sue you for interfering with private enterprise."
Kumoyama, Happy Enterprises, "Mothra vs. Godzilla", 1964
Re:What do you do when... (Score:2, Insightful)
IMHO, this is the number one thing most often misunderstood about the US system.
Re:What do you do when... (Score:1)
Re:What do you do when... (Score:3, Insightful)
I think the biggest solution to your problem would be to have no political parties at all. Think about it. You would be able to vote on each candidate based on their individual merits instead of what is often cookie cutter party platform. The way things are run now, a politician is more answerable to his / her party than the voters.
Re:What do you do when... (Score:3, Insightful)
I agree that politicians are more answerable to their party than the voters, but for example Bob Dole was quoted during his 1996 campaign as saying "I'm not bound by the platform. I probably agree with most everything in it, but I haven't read it."
Joe Lieberman would be another example of a politician that is far from his partys platform - I'd say most people are surprised he's not a republican. John McCain is another obvious example of not always going with the party line. I think that a partial solution to this problem, instead of eliminating political parties, would be the elimination of the ridiculous gerrymandering of voting districts that goes on and has gone on for what seems like ever. When the republican or democratic candidates don't have any worries about losing in a district, it definitely makes a cookie cutter, party line candidate easy to pass through.
Re:What do you do when... (Score:2)
#1. Recognize that the reason there are two parties, is that in most cases, people vote negativly, not positivly. People vote against a candidate far more than people vote for a candadate. That is the reason negative campaigining works.
#2. Stating this, what you need to do is convince a majority of the population that your memes/ideas are the correct ones. Here is the kicker..
THIS IS COMPLETELY NON-POLITICAL
Combine #1 and #2, and you can see you have much more power working in a coalition to try and slowly effect policy and social change than trying to convince people to throw out the baby with the bathwater. Convincing people that you are right has nothing to do with your vote. If the population changes, the government will go with it.
The ONLY reason why government is corporate controlled is that you have a large section of the populace who supports this on the foolish idea that maybe one day they can have the power and put the knuckle to those under them. This is a cultural problem, and one that must be addressed before any change happens.
Re:What do you do when... (Score:2)
> I would expect that when Senator Disney...er Hollings
> seems to be introducing sane legislation, it's just a
> candy-coating for the riders his handlers...er lobbyists
> have insisted upon.
Actually, when Disney is not yanking on his chain, Hollings is an average Congress-critter with the occasional good idea. It's just when Disney yanks his chain that he is evil, and then with increasing reluctance.
For the bad stuff he introduces, Disney and a system that allows corporations to leash Congress-critters is as much to blame as the man himself.
None of that makes CBDTPA less evil or less of a threat to the future of the computer and consumer electronics industries, or less of a threat to citizen's fair use rights.
"The path of peace is yours to discover for eternity."
Japanese version of "Mothra" (1961)
Re:What do you do when... (Score:2)
But nobody has the balls to look over all the candidates, read through their political and economic views and think critically about which one would do what's best for all the people living in this country. Most people just think about which one will help their stock gain 30% or keep the gas prices low. The rest only care about jobs or health care. But nobody is willing to stand up for what's right. People before profits. Taking care of people and providing them the proper environment to grow mentally and physically is the right thing to do. And nobody is doing it.
Re:What do you do when... (Score:1)
attitude? (Score:5, Interesting)
Giving rights to their customers is a concern to the corporations now. I wonder what happened to the great so called ideology "customer is the king" that these companies pretend to practice.
Re:attitude? (Score:5, Insightful)
Capitalists respond to demand. If they can sell their product to people regardless of its quality, then why try to improve it? Obvious exceptions being companies with a real commitment to the customer and commitment to building a quality product, but you don't find those very often in publicly-traded corporations. Mostly because the price of quality would be slightly higher, which causes the consumers to go elsewhere and deal with a less scrupulous company save a buck. Thus, the board of directors demands that sales be raised at any costs, sets unrealistic expectations, and the company cuts corners to meet those expectations, resulting in a product that frequently meets no more than the minimum standards of marketability at best.
The blame can be placed on the poorly educated, dependent, and apathetic consuming public as much as it can on the soulless companies who'd sacrifice any aspect of their product or corporate karma, if it meant saving a dollar down the road. Don't take advertising at face value, don't buy products from people who won't let you examine them before purchase, and don't buy from companies who won't stand behind their products. That's the only way this situation will improve.
Re:attitude? (Score:2)
It went away when customers stopped getting a choice in the matter. Present a nation full of so-called uncaring customers with a convenient system for downloading music off of the internet (Napster), you'll find that millions will start to pay attention.
Take that sort of choice away and put them back in a world where the content industry determines the parameters of the deal and the electronics industry dances along, you get a populace of helpless, unconcerned idiots.
That's the problem with the "free market". Choices are bad for business, and the average consumer can't build his own CD player (and if he could, there'd be a DMCA to stop him.)
Re:attitude? (Score:2)
Re:attitude? (Score:1)
My point is that the market can make itself non-free just as easily without government intervention. This is regularly overlooked by so-called "free market" types, whose ideology begins and ends with taking the gov't out of the equation.
In many cases, bad government regulations like the DMCA are just icing.
Re:attitude? (Score:2)
Re:attitude? (Score:1)
I would say that belief applies, to a certain degree, to a lot of people who are in power now. Take a gander at the current push for deregulation in so many industries, combined with an ideological antipathy to the Antitrust regulations.
Or look at the mad rush to deregulate the telecommunications industry-- a business built on the back of a government-mandated monopoly, and one that is just itching to re-integrate itself into that monopoly. Mainstream politicians and lobbyists will passionately argue for both of these courses, on the grounds that it will get big, bad government off business's back and encourage competition, and yet they will fail to point out that those businesses themselves have made an art-form out of restricting competition.
Many of these arguments are made out of political self-interest. But they clearly play well with a certain segment of the voting public.
Re:attitude? (Score:2)
Re:attitude? (Score:1)
Regulate them as long as they continue to control the majority of the market with their natural monopoly. Getting rid of the regulations doesn't promote a free market, and it's not something you do just because you're tired of regulation.
Cellphones and cable are only beginning to make inroads into the market. Attempts to get the Bells to open their network have been only marginally successful; they charge a premium for the service and they've proven quite adept at discriminating against smaller carriers.
Times change; just because they were a monopolist in 1980 doesn't mean they would do the same thing now
All of the Bells are and have been monopolies; the breakup didn't change their monopoly status, it just made them smaller. A quick look at Verizon should show you how quickly they've been re-amalgamating-- almost at the speed that US law allows it. They fund the expansion through the guaranteed profits afforded by their monopoly.
And the Bells would be watched closely for evidence of regressive behavior.
I see no evidence that anyone was watching the Bells while they systematically demolished the independent DSL providers who were leasing their lines. The problem with stupid deregulation is that political wheels move much more slowly than business. Once you get rid of the regulations, generous campaign contributions will make sure nobody develops an enthusiasm to "watch closely"... At least not in a timely manner.
Get a clue Fox News and Congress! (Score:2, Insightful)
Make lots of speeches crying that they are for the average person, but when the campaign donations start rolling in we all know what's going to happen.
If you don't believe me, just look at the DMCA, UCITA, and COPA. Whose interest are they really concerned with, those of thier biggest donors.
Re:Get a clue Fox News and Congress! (Score:4, Interesting)
Anyway, it's not the big donors they like, it's the clear cause-and-effect and reliability of their support. Real people care about abortion and terrorism and shit, companies only care about one thing at a time. You pass DMCA, we give you fat sack 'o cash money. Dealing with the complex opinions of actual voters is too much work, and your average polititian really isn't smart enough to deal with the ammount of imput necessary to actually represent people. You either need interest groups or qualified polititians, and unfortunately, all the qualified polititians are too busy running interest groups to run.
This is why I send the EFF a few bucks now and then. We need somebody to point out that Sony isn't actually representing us, which, honestly, is what they usually manage to convince congress of. Since their mailboxes and phone lines are spammed by interest groups, your representative's perception of what you want comes from spokesmen for companies and the polls those spokesmen give them.
I'll bet at least half the people who voted for the DMCA honestly thought it would help the people get better movies, and keep the poor 'ol studios from having to raise DVD prices, if they thought anything about it at all, that is. We just managed to point out the massive flaws there, and congress is responding.
There's no massive shift here, so don't celebrate. Congress is still clueless, the next godawful law will just disguise itself as something we haven't specifically adressed yet.
Also, life is a endless road paved with pain and sorrow, and there's two goddam feet of snow outside my door. Fuck you global warming! Fuck you jet stream! Fuck you Gulf currents! Fucking nature.
Great... (Score:5, Funny)
Now I just can't wait for a credible one to do so too...
Re:Great... (Score:1)
Re:Great... (Score:1, Interesting)
Read Bias: A CBS Insider Exposes How the Media Distorts the News by Bernard Goldberg and you will see that Fox is actually more credible than ABC, CBS, or NBC. PBS's biases are too well known to need documenting.
Re:Great... (Score:2, Interesting)
Fox News is run by Roger Ailes for Christ's sake...a two bit Republican strategist from the Reagan-Bush era.
Re:Great... (Score:3, Interesting)
scripsit an AC:
<shudder> That's upsetting, but unfortunately probably right. ``Centrist'' in U.S. political terms is really, really far right according to most of the rest of the world.
That Fox News can be considered ``mainstream''... Scary.
Re:Great... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Great... (Score:1)
Or, more interestingly, the mind and money behind Rush Limbaugh's radio show.
Good shape - for whom? (Score:5, Insightful)
I thought the DMCA was used mainly to scare scientists and prevent crypto research, keep DVDs off Linux, hinder free enterprise and free trade, make toner cartridges more expensive, keep lists of store prices off the net, avoid having to obtain court orders to get access to private information, and other nifty things like that. Maybe it is "good shape" for the industry, but it certainly is "bad shape" for everyone else.
Heavily biased article (Score:3, Interesting)
This article was written by Fox News, a part of News Corporation. News Corp is one of the companies who "encouraged" Master Hollings to write his SSSCA / CBDTPA bills.
Fox News is not reliable (Score:4, Informative)
For example, consider his relationship with the Chinese Gov't:
- Chris Patten, the last British governor or Hong Kong, wrote a book about Hong Kong's transistion to Chinese rule. It wasn't flattering to the Chinese gov't. They objected, so News Corp killed publication worldwide.
- The Chinese gov't didn't like BBC news being broadcast over a satellite owned by Murdoch/News Corp. As in many places, the BBC was the only reliable source of news available; it's even more valuable to people with totaliatrian gov'ts oppressing them. Murdoch removed the channel.
That's only a couple examples. I never watch Fox myself -- how do I know when it's the facts, and when it's Murdoch kissing someones a**?
For those who don't know: Murdoch owns News Corp. and everything named 'Fox' (well, maybe a few exceptions). News Corp. is one of those 5 large media companies that own nearly everything from movie studios to news outlets to music, the others being AOL-TW, Sony, Bertelsmann and Vivendi.
Re:Fox News is not reliable (Score:2)
My favorite was in Simpsons "Missionary: Impossible" [snpp.com] where they had the PBS-like telethon at the end:
Where's the ideology gene? (Score:4, Insightful)
Nice to see the ad hominem fallacy is alive and well.
The examples you gave were business decisions by Murdoch for whatever reason he has for courting the Chinese, and nothing to do with Fox News content. Please state actual, confirmed examples of Fox News lying.
You're as bad as those that say they distrust CNN because they feel Ted Turner's hand is lurking editorially behind the scenes.
Remember, kids, just say no to ideology. It'll ruin your brain faster and more effectively than a 9mm shot to the head.
Re:Where's the ideology gene? (Score:3, Insightful)
Ideology may be a way to ruin your brain, but conservatism and right-wing corporatism is a sure way to ruin your heart.
Where's the truth gene? (Score:2)
Your argument is a textbook example of the "no true Scotsman" fallacy (i.e. inventing new definitions on the fly in order to arbitrarily exclude evidence against your claim).
Shredding (Score:3, Informative)
First up is Robert Cresanti, vice president of the Business Software Alliance, trying to keep the DMCA unaltered. That's his job, but that anyone thinks the DMCA is reasonable is bogus.
More relevantly is the DMRCA, most particularly, this bit: Among them is the Digital Media Consumers Rights Act, introduced by Rep. Rick Boucher, D-Va., that gives consumers more fair-use rights for digital products and calls for copy-protected CDs to be clearly labeled if they include copy-proof technologies.
We all know there's no such thing as copy-*proof*. Copy-resistant, yes; but not copy-proof. If the bill in fact makes reference to copy-proof, then it really doesn't do anything but pay lip service to "consumer's rights."
Fritz rears his ugly head once more, but since he's not in charge of the tech committee at this point he's less of a threat. He still demonstrates his complete inability to understand computers, here: Backing the entertainment industry, Sen. Ernest Hollings, D-S.C., may reintroduce a bill to prohibit the making and distribution of "digital media devices" unless they include government-approved copy restriction technology.
Hollings has said that he really doesn't want the legislation, but some type of compromise is needed. Various tech industry groups and the Recording Industry Association of America recently promised to fight any such mandates and work out the piracy problem.
Yeah, "compromise." I recall reading here a while ago that if I want to cut both your legs off, you don't compromise by removing just the left one. The original deal was completely outrageous. Even halfway is far too far.
Curious is the last sentence, saying that the RIAA is intending to fight such mandates? Forgive me if I'm skeptical, but if they follow through with reasonable approaches, this would be a fair compromise. They protect their revenue using traditional copyright laws, everyone else can do what they like with their IP. However, I'm not holding my breath. I find pre-dawn, kick-in-the-door, 1 48x CD-burner = 24 CD-burners much more likely.
The MPAA is a bit more up-front: The Motion Picture Association of America's solution to rampant piracy is "to run to Congress and try to force a solution there that is a dangerous, ongoing process for us," said Cresanti, who argued the tech industry is too young to be more heavily regulated. Hardly surprising; however, why is Cresanti, the BSA representative, speaking on behalf of the MPAA?
There's a large bit about giving tax credits for broadband deployments, and *not* adding new taxes to e-commerce; so those businesses that exist only online would do well to move to Nevada or other state with no sales tax and no tax agreements with other states.
I also found this part interesting, The group recently released its Tech Environmental Quality Index, which shows that government is creating an increasingly hostile environment for innovation, competition and growth in the tech industry, but can't think of how to comment on that. Rep. Chrtopher Cox (R-CA) can speak for me, "Given the continued softness in the tech economy, this is hardly the time for new taxes on the Internet," Cox said in a statement. "Rather, providing long-term certainty about tax policy is one of the necessary ingredients for a tech rebound."
Finally, it looks like we're going to have an argument similar to "Are the X-Men humans or animals?" debates (an article a while back, which was caused by different taxation rates for toys representing humans, and toys representing animals, that I can't find in the time I have), based on this final bit: "This is a very thorny thing right now," Thierer said last week. "There are amazing battles going on about what's a granola bar."
Congress' Tech Agenda: SNEAK PREVIEW! (Score:2, Funny)
Topic 2: Figuring out why Winders keeps 'crashing'.
Topic 3: Gettin' that there computer to say hello, like on that Independence Day movie.
Important tech discussion this session! Oh, I can't wait!
Comments to Fox. (Score:1)
After reading the story, I sent the following to Fox, any comments?