Slashback: Mutuality, Transport, Spyware 264
Well, while we were switching things around here at the ad agency ... An anonymous reader writes "While looking around on Microsoft's site checking out the new Tablet PCs I noticed something very out of Place. In one of their Flash Demos for the Tablet PC there is an Apple Powerbook 1400! To see it for yourself, the flash is located here (then "Tablet PC Overview Demo," then "Tablet PC," then "Powerful") The first computer is really that Powerbook! Pic here."
What about to the legal brothels? Sacarino writes "Back in April, Slashdot ran a story about the Monorail project Las Vegas was embarking upon. It would appear that things are progressing nicely. "It's ugly" critics will be put to shame, the designers did a great job of making it non-obtrusive. (if that's possible in Vegas) Soon you too will pile off the airplane, trudge onto the monorail, then run into the casino to spend that money....ahh, Vegas."
Out of court, out of mind. Enry writes "SONICblue and TiVo have dropped the patent infringement lawsuits they filed against each other. The press release reads: "We believe our energies are better spent expanding the market for Digital Video Recorders (DVRs) rather than fighting each other. Both sides believe in the merits of their respective positions, but the overall success of the DVR category is what is most important to the companies at this time." Take that, AdAge!"
Sounds like a nice way to watch movies. For those intrigued by a 640x480, QWERTY-keyboard color, clamshell-case PDA as embodied by the Zaurus 5600, patrickoehlinger writes "Just found news and pictures about the new Sharp Zaurus SL-C700 released in Japan. With a 640 x 480 pixel display, a small design and a great keyboard! Golem.de has a article with pictures, but it's in German."
Would the BBC spy on you? An anonymous reader writes "The previous discussion on RedSheriff on slashdot was extremely confusing as well as mostly off-topic. The fact is, the BBC is downloading spyware to your machine when you surf their site. Very disappointing and surprising. I suggest e-mailing them to let them know what you think. The problem and remedies are covered in Google groups: "
BBC and spyware (Score:5, Informative)
Well, I guess my 2 cents wont get very far =/
Re:BBC and spyware (Score:5, Informative)
Re:BBC and spyware (Score:5, Informative)
Strangely enough, though, I've been using Phoenix [mozilla.org] for a while now, and have had no problem with popups. :D
Re:BBC and spyware (Score:2, Informative)
That's why I use Opera (Score:2, Interesting)
With IE you really get what you pay for. Nothing.
Re:BBC and spyware (Score:5, Informative)
Re:BBC and spyware (Score:2, Interesting)
Just one more reason why I use mozilla religiously and disable activeX downloads in MSIE by using X-Setup [xteq.com].
Seriously, gator has gotten to epidemic levels. I'm a university student (in Canada) and I've gotten to the point where whenever I log onto a machine, I automatically fire up Ad-Aware [lavasoft.de] and scrup the machine for spyware. (Every engineering student gets 500 mb to store/install whatever.) 60%+ of the time gator is running, plus there's a bunch of bonzibuddy shite. The really bad ones have cnsmin installed which is much harder to get rid of. (Ad-aware can't do it on its own.)
The point I'm trying to make here is that it's gotten to the stage where it's "everyone for themselves." The web is the wild wild west and only those gunslingers who are the fastest and smartest remain at the top of the food chain.
Re:BBC and spyware (Score:2)
Oh, wait... maybe it's because I use Mozilla [mozilla.org]!
Yeah, cheap shot but someone had to make it...
;-)
Re:(OT) Spark Notes (Score:2)
Monorail!? (Score:2, Funny)
What'd I say?
Ned Flanders: Monorail!
Lyle Lanley: What's it called?
Patty+Selma: Monorail!
Lyle Lanley: That's right! Monorail!
Miss Hoover: I hear those things are awfully loud...
Lyle Lanley: It glides as softly as a cloud.
Apu: Is there a chance the track could bend?
Lyle Lanley: Not on your life, my Hindu friend.
Barney: What about us brain-dead slobs?
Lyle Lanley: You'll be given cushy jobs.
Abe: Were you sent here by the devil?
Lyle Lanley: No, good sir, I'm on the level.
Wiggum: The ring came off my pudding can.
Lyle Lanley: Take my pen knife, my good man.
I swear it's Springfield's only choice...
Throw up your hands and raise your voice!
All: Monorail!
Lyle Lanley: What's it called?
All: Monorail!
Lyle Lanley: Once again...
All: Monorail!
Marge: But Main Street's still all cracked and broken...
Bart: Sorry, Mom, the mob has spoken!
All: Monorail!
Monorail!
Monorail!
Re:Monorail!? (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Monorail!? (Score:3, Funny)
On an offtopic note, how about people get to enter their own + or - reason?
+1 just.
-1 wrong.
-1 quiet, the adults are talking
+1 damn, you're famous, people need to hear you
Re:Monorail!? (Score:2)
Not quite :) (Score:2)
My favourite Troy episode is where he does the musical version of The Planet of the Apes
Damn (Score:2)
detection and removal of redsherrif (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:detection and removal of redsherrif (Score:2, Informative)
Re:detection and removal of redsherrif (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:detection and removal of redsherrif (Score:4, Informative)
good luck.
Re:detection and removal of redsherrif (Score:5, Insightful)
It reveals how you got to the BBC site (Score:3, Interesting)
As for what it's reporting
Excerpt from the source of http://news.bbc.co.uk/:
{!-- START RedMeasure V4 - Java v1.1 $Revision: 1.9 $ --}
{!-- COPYRIGHT 2000 Red Sheriff Limited --}
{script language="JavaScript"}
{!--
var pCid="uk_bbc_0";
var w0=1;
var refR=escape(document.referrer);
if (refR.length>=252) refR=refR.substring(0,252)+"..."
{img src="http://server-uk.imrworldwide.com/cgi-bin/co
refR+'&cid='+pCid+'" width=1 height=1}'
if(navigator.userAgent.indexOf('Mac')!=-1){docu
}else{
document.write('{applet code="Measure.class" '+
'codebase="http://server-uk.imrworldwide.com/
'{param name="ref" value="'+refR+'"}'+'{param name="cid" value="'+pCid+
'"}{textflow}'+imgN+'{/textflow}{
{/noscript}
{/COMMENT}
{!-- END RedMeasure V4 --}
I'm not a JavaScript expert, but this says to me that the information is passed back to the Red Sherriff company by requesting a "web bug"
Re:It reveals how you got to the BBC site (Score:2, Informative)
As to what this new program does, I have no idea. I haven't learned just what it does/how it works yet...
Re:detection and removal of redsherrif (Score:4, Informative)
It doesn't stay in memory. It just loads up on every page of the site that is using it and sends back details like referers and time spent between pages back to Red Sherrif. Red Sherrif are basically an Internet market research company.
So, while it does track usage on the BBC site as well as any other Red Sherrif client sites, it isn't the same as something like Gator which will hang around on your PC and do other nasty stuff in the background.
There is another company that do it (although maybe they have merged now) called IMR Worldwide.
Re:detection and removal of redsherrif (Score:2)
I don't see what the big deal is. Just because the Internet wasn't originally designed such that sites couldn't tell how you left them doesn't make that information sacred. If Red Sherrif was tracking all of your browsing, then THAT would be a violation of privacy. If you're really THAT concerned about browsing totally anonymously, you should be using Anonymizer or even browsing Freenet or something.
Re:detection and removal of redsherrif (Score:4, Informative)
The software used to be called WebMeasure, and now to maintain corporate branding it's "RedMeasure"
This stuff has been around for just ages. I was part of the company that wrote this software for them originally. It has been around since 1997/98 however it's just started to be used by more people It's nothing more than a slightly sophisticated cookie, and if you don't trust my word for it, download it and decompile it.
I just looked at the Beebs source code from their home page and it's exactly the same as it was back then.
Anyway, here's the source code. Check for yourself. (Thanks to DJ's decompiler) It's doing nothing more than sending the duration of the time on a particular page.
For the non-appleted amongst us, start() occurs when the page is loaded, stop() occurs when the page is left.
Grrrrr, frigging lameness filter stopped me from posting the source. Anyway, get it from here. [eaves.org]
Monorail Gamble (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Monorail Gamble (Score:5, Funny)
It must not be easy being you.
Re:Monorail Gamble (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Monorail Gamble (Score:2, Funny)
And then we can all go play Duke Nukem Forever! Together!
Redsheriff (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Redsheriff (Score:3, Informative)
Homer sez... (Score:4, Funny)
Powermac too (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Powermac too (Score:4, Funny)
Well, the MS marketing department obviously has no clue what they are doing then...
Marketing Manager: Look, give me some Microsoft notebooks and a Microsoft PC to use in our new flash on the double!MicroSerf: Uhm, we don't make those, we only cripple them.
Marketing Manager: Damn it! What is the first, least expensive thing you can find?
MicroSerf: Uhm, this company we just bought out used "Macintosh" equipment, so called "Powerbooks" as wel as some sort of desktop system...
Marketing Manager: Excellent! We'll use those! Make sure the flash files include blue gradients.
MicroSerf: Blue gradients?
Marketing Manager: LOTS of blue gradients and a cheesy music that would make a Game Boy cry.
MicroSerf: Jawohl herr oberst!
Re:Powermac too (Score:4, Interesting)
Ahh, advertising... the festering, never healing scab on the ass of American Industry.
Re:Powermac too (Score:2)
(The Mac in my office is a 700... No, I am not a dealer in antiquities.)
~Hammy
Re:Powermac too (Score:3, Informative)
"downloading to"? (Score:3, Insightful)
Last I checked, the BBC would be UPLOADING software to your machine. You would be the one downloading it. God I'm sick of people misusing that word.
Re:"downloading to"? (Score:2, Funny)
Re:"downloading to"? (Score:2)
or even 'shooting their load'...
Re:"downloading to"? (Score:3, Informative)
Originally "download" meant transfer from a large mainframe to a small client, while "upload" meant transfer from a small client to a large mainframe - regardless of which end initiated the transfer.
However, since a mainframe wouldn't be likely to initiate a transfer, normally downloading = receiving, and uploading = sending. These became the new meanings of the words.
So yes, the meanings have changed, but understand that some people haven't caught on yet. Go easy on them.
It Worked (Score:5, Funny)
And in doing so, it got a front-page link on Slashdot, direct to the Microsoft Tablet PC demo / info page. Thanks, Slashdot!
Downloading (Score:4, Insightful)
I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't trust technical "facts" from people that don't know the difference between downloading and uploading. That's like hiring a plumber that asks you what room the bathroom sink is in.
Re:Downloading (Score:5, Funny)
That's like hiring a plumber that asks you what room the bathroom sink is in.
Actually, it's more like hiring a plumber who drinks from your toilet and pees in your sink.
Re:Downloading (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Downloading (Score:2, Informative)
Well, according to the Jargon file, anyway...
Las Vegas (Score:2, Funny)
Don't want the prostitutes tripping and falling into holes, now do ya?
FWIW (Score:2)
SO they didn't have to dip into the road repair funds at all. That's all still in the city coffers.
Re:FWIW (Score:2)
steve balmer (Score:3, Funny)
If Steve Balmer needs a reason to jump up and down like a crazy monkey again, here is it!
Speaking of 'switch' (Score:2)
I just noticed today that there are ads with Tony Hawk and Yo Yo Ma.
(not together)
I'm hoping that they'll make some with Gates/Ballmer lookalikes...
Spyware, (Score:5, Insightful)
Installing a Windooze pc and connecting it to the internet requires so much work before you can say it's secure. And then there is all the spyware that comes with "great" shareware programs, so you really need a seperate partition to test the programs on first before installing them on your primary installation. Then you need programs like Ad-Aware and a personal firewall to keep track of programs that likes to phone home(have even seen programs with no network functionality all of the sudden wants to contact a server on the net).
Oh, and let's not forget antivirus software etc etc.
So I installed a Linux dist, not because I think that it's impossible to infiltrate it, but because the focus on all that Crap-ware has not yet turned too bad there and I feel more in control over what's going on under the hood. Now if only they would make the fonts look right, they are getting better, but not 100% yet.
I thinking about those 90% of the people with a connection to the internet, who does not have any clue to what's going on. And the great concept with Windooze was that they shouldn't need to know everything about computers to use them. These days they don't, but they do get their pc 0wned in a mild way.
We are beginning to see ISPs offer secure/firewalled connections to the internet. So that might be a new feature(income) for them, firewalling,spam blocking, blocking "bad" ip's. I have seen advertising for it, but I haven't looked into it.
Oh, and the linux experince is better? (Score:2)
everytime I install an RPM I feel like someone is saying to me "close your eyes and open your mouth and you will get a big surprise". Then with root access the RPM sprays files in all sorts of directories, overwites system /bin files like "make" and inserts various conficuration scripts in dark places I've never visted in my unix life. Geeze its totally out of control.
mandrake and a few others give you a gui package view that sort of says what's oging to be affected but it's not like you can remeber what happened a week or a year later.
for my money the only system I am remotely at ease with is FINK for mac ( and linux). which rarely goes outside of its own directory to mess with basic system stuff.
but you are right in wishing there was some sort of keystroke file for anytime you did an install or a tweak so you could re-do it later after a re-install or an upgrade.
Re:Oh, and the linux experince is better? (Score:2, Insightful)
Script 1 runs "rpm -Va" and checks the output for any files that have a different MD5 sum. It tars up all of these. (Most are in
Script 2 looks at each file under given directories (I run it under
The result is this: if I had to reinstall things how I have them now on a new system, I can easily see which rpm files I changed (and have the changes right there), and also which files I added (also tar'd up).
This is much easier than copying
And of course, I keep a list of installed rpms. (rpm -qa > rpm.list).
-Serp
Re:Oh, and the linux experince is better? (Score:2)
Re:Oh, and the linux experince is better? (Score:2)
Re:Spyware, (Score:2)
RedSherriff (Score:5, Insightful)
Thanks. The spyware is called RedSheriff. It's a Java applet and its the first spyware that I've identified as running as Java.
Step one: Unclick "Java" in Preferences
Step two: There is no step two! There is no step two!
Re:RedSherriff (Score:2, Funny)
profit from no spyware that is..
Re:RedSherriff (Score:4, Funny)
Now, I learnt that I can actually unclick Java. Cool.
If these aren't News for Nerds... I don't know what stuff actually matters anymore.
Can't read German? (Score:2, Informative)
BBC privacy policy (Score:5, Informative)
Taxies (Score:3, Interesting)
Monorail from the Airport? Man, that would ROCK HARD. No having to take the shuttles with endless stops or taxis with 20 years of grime built up.
I do feel a bit sorry for the taxi drivers: this is going to kill 80% of them. Apparently the union is not that powerful in Vegas. :) [which is yet another lesson why union's suck and why they tend to retard progress, but that's a rant for another day]
Re:Ever waited in a Comdex taxi line, mid 1990s? (Score:2)
I pretty much skipped Comdex throughout the 90s (hotels too expensive, not enough interesting stuff, big rip-offs all around), but it was bad in the late 80s. I never took a Taxi anywhere; it was just a huge waste of time. I can only imagine that it got worse.
'Spyware' (Score:5, Insightful)
PS - sorry for not jumping on the bandwagon.
Re:'Spyware' (Score:3, Interesting)
I simply do not believe that any website author has the right to upload any program on my computer as a condition of viewing content. I don't care what the software does.
That being said, it does not appear that red sherrif performs like most spyware and remains active as a service 24/7 on the resident machine. But for those of us who are security concious, and the Firewall admins out there, this is a big deal. I am an admin for a newspaper. This immediately explained the large amounts of traffic going to the IP's mentioned in the group posting.
Like most businesses, we expense our bandwidth. Red Sherrif Traffic only accounted for
Does that answer your question??
~Hammy
MY Mission: To build the biggest freak list on
Re:'Spyware' (Score:2)
No, no, no-no-NO!
Spyware, a contemporary of "adware" or "freeware" and a derivitive of "shareware", is "software that you pay for, in whole or in part, by being spied upon."
Programs downloaded as part of a web site that spy on you can be called spyware, even though what you get is a website, not a program.
I believe the correct word for "all programs forced on you" is "trojan." Feel free to come up with a new one if it doesn't fit, but please don't co-opt "spyware" to mean something that it doesn't.
From the RedSheriff website.. (Score:4, Informative)
Founded in 1996, RedSheriff is an industry leader in interactive measurement technologies and market research. We provide specialized products and services that enable you to accurately assess your company's performance in the constantly evolving digital environment.
RedSheriff measures in 37 countries through regional offices in Melbourne, Sydney, Auckland, Brisbane, Singapore, Tokyo, London, Copenhagen, Milan, Los Angeles, San Francisco and headquarters in New York. We also have strategic partnerships with several major industry players including the AGB Group, Taylor Nelson Sofres Gallup, and Video Research.
Our client base includes key global players such as BT LookSmart, Excite, Excite@Home, News Interactive, F2 Interactive, Scandinavia Online, Monster.com, MTV, NineMSN.com, Virgin Direct, Virgin, Genie Internet, Asia World Online, Charles Schwab and Telstra.
Our strategic investment partners include Deutsche European Partners, Ericsson-Deutsche Technology Fund, WPP, Australasian Media and Communication Fund, and Equity Partners.
Zaurus pics (Score:4, Informative)
http://www.sharp.co.jp/products/slc700/index.ht
I surfed around, looks like this unit has cool GPS maps available, that's the most interesting app I found.
Sony's SL-C700 Site (Translated) (Score:2, Informative)
You'll have to click the Translate button, but hey, deal with it. [altavista.com]
RedSherrif (Score:3, Insightful)
The java security model should prevent an applet from spying on you.. or am I mistaken?
I don't know about the rest of you.... (Score:3, Interesting)
redsheriff and Java VM sandbox (Score:3, Interesting)
Or am I missing somthing or is that exactly what is going on?
my experience and understanding with java is that insecure applets cant access URLS outside their source URL, they cant access other open windows (or atleast not anything that javascript cant access), and they cant access any system level communications or your files on disk. Thus they cant be spying on you. And if you leave the site they go poof. I suppose they could be playing frame games making you think you left the site.
can anyone tell me how they are getting around these restrictions?
Re:redsheriff and Java VM sandbox (Score:5, Informative)
It's a Java applet that's like a cgi traced image. It's used for user tracking. It's not any more sinister than WebTrends or any of the other post-processing tools.
Caveat: I worked for the company that wrote the first version of this software that was used by Red Sheriff.
Mozilla Immune? (Score:4, Informative)
From reading the USENET commentary on Google Groups, it seems like RedSheriff only works on Microsoft's broken virtual machine that ships with Windows. It appears that, if you install Sun's JVM, the problem doesn't arise (or at least alerts the user). This would also seem to suggest that Mozilla is immune, since they have their own JVM, yes?
Yet another reason to avoid IE, I suppose.
Schwab
Re:Mozilla Immune? (Score:2, Informative)
And the code gets applet gets loaded in a popup anyway..
so it doesn't load in mozilla if you enable the popup blocker..:-D
But yeah.. it's an M$ IE Messed up JVM thing..
Re:Mozilla Immune? (Score:2)
Mozilla the JVM that's already installed on your system. Netscape 4.x (and earlier) has its own.
Well then (Score:2, Funny)
OH MY GOD
This is the biggest news of the century!!!! FACINATING!
Monitoring is not spying (Score:5, Insightful)
When you surf on a site, you are accessing someone elses server. They are the property owner, and they have the right to a report to see what you are doing.
There is nothing that I can see that RedSherriff becomes resident on your machine and watches you elsewhere. It just uses cookies to provide enhanced site stats to, in this case, the beeb.
Nothing to see here...
Re:Monitoring is not spying (Score:2)
What "film" and "carrying" does the bbc make you do? It's more like the store keeping a copy of your receipt.
You went to their site, they paid attention to what you did there so that they could serve you better. It didn't cost you anything, and didn't even force you to do anything different. It's just part of the package.
-BrentTablet PC? (Score:4, Interesting)
If the tablet PC should work, it should be cheap since I never really think it would be the only PC you would have. it would need to be thinner than it is. It wouldn't need a lot of fancy features. You could have a dockingstation that would give it more features, option for other graphiccard etc. It would have some very for some things, but bad for others.
No legal brothels in Las Vegas, sorry... (Score:5, Informative)
Sorry, you'll just have to drive out to the ole ranch there ya city slicker!
Redsheriff = MSN Australia + more! (Score:2, Interesting)
FYI, NineMSN [ninemsn.com.au] (Australia's own big brother presence on the web, and the default exit page for Hotmail from Aus) also uses Redsheriff.
So does Suncorp Metway [suncorpmetway.com.au] a BANK!!!
As such, microsoft now knows where I bank. Scary.
Microsoft's Brilliant Strategy (Score:4, Funny)
Step 2: Insert random Apple Powerbook 1400
Step 3: Report "slip up" to Mac centered websites
Step 4: Report that "over 20% of page views on the new tablet PC pages are from Macintosh computers." to interested third party vendors.
So now they've got ammo for a real switch campain...
Facts wrong on Zaurus 5600 (Score:2, Informative)
stated in the slashback.
The C700 *is* 640x480.
More sites wih RedSherrif (Score:2)
http://www.theage.com.au/
http://www.cricket.org
http://www.plannedchildhood.com
Bastards!
The REAL SONICBlue question is... (Score:2)
Re:The REAL SONICBlue question is... (Score:3, Informative)
Heard it on Morning Edition.
--
Evan
Red Sheriff is not spyware (Score:2)
Red Sherrif got the contract through our... *thinking of how I can make this anonymous*
Seattle monorail wins vote (Score:3, Informative)
Precincts Counted: 100.00%
YES: 82256
NO: 81674
killer! (Score:2)
and that sharp device would conquer the u.s. ultra-
portable market.
Browser bug? (Score:3, Interesting)
What browser allows BBC to send them spyware without the user's permission? If that really happens, it's a browser security bug. I'm surprised the spammers haven't leveraged this bug with their html mail efforts (if it's really that easy to install spyware on a user's system). I find it hard to believe this claim. Anyone have an explanation?
Vegas monorail misconception (Score:2)
Re:PowerBook: isn't it obvious? (Score:4, Funny)
The Apple PowerBook 1400 ships with a 133MHz proc., 16MB of DRAM, and a 750MB hard disk drive.
In the Flash movie on Microsoft's site, it's shown running Windows XP, which simply wouldn't happen on a box with such meager specs.
Re:PowerBook: isn't it obvious? (Score:2)
Well, you never know...
Re:PowerBook:isn't it obvious that you're a moron? (Score:3, Funny)
You can reverse the screen on an apple (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Sharp Zaurus SL-C700 (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Las Vegas Monorail SUCKS! (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Las Vegas Monorail SUCKS! (Score:4, Informative)
The Disney World monorail is so much better.
Hmmm...then you weren't on the actual monorail, but the crappy shuttle. The current monorail uses Bombardier Mark IV monorail cars that were actually acquired from Disney World.