ICANN Recommends ISOC Run .org TLD 113
Amazing Quantum Man writes "According to ZDNet, ICANN has issued a report recommending that ISOC run the .org TLD. It looks like ISOC would run .org in conjunction with Afilias." mesozoic points out that ISOC is a non-profit organization composed of many for-profit heavyweights, writing "I'm not surprised; are you?" This preliminary report may be disappointing to those who hoped that
Paul Vixie and Carl Malamud would be successful in their bid to head up .org.
Why Not Read the Right Report? (Score:5, Informative)
Lonely Sig Alert: http://www.compunotes.com
Re:Why Not Read the Right Report? (Score:1)
In reading part of it...
If you have not done it before, you got wacked.
If you are not a business model, you got wacked.
So no new comers and no non-business.
And Gartner?? I personally have yet to see one report that was not bais in favor of their other clients. Like the MS pages on their site.
Like I said, yeah sure.
I can see the ads already (Score:3, Funny)
So, like, when should we start going to slashdot.com instead of slashdot.org?
Re:I can see the ads already (Score:1)
Or, when are we going to slashdot.gnu, as soon as mozilla ships with a new default TLD server?
http://slash.dot (Score:1)
ICANN ISOC IAHC
I I I I I IEEEEEEEEEEEEE
This is bad how? (Score:5, Interesting)
So it represents no one company, and when it does something it will do it with industry backing.
This is a Good thing.
Exactly what can be done with the
It is already open to anyone, regardless of whether they are non-profit or not.
Re:This is bad how? (Score:3, Insightful)
By the way, I make my living writing software for web commerce sites, so I am not opposed to commercial interests using the internet just as freely as geeks and academicians.
Re:This is bad how? (Score:1)
So it will most likely remain a free-for-all.
What do you imagine they might do to restrict your freedom?
I'm not saying they can't, but that I can't think of anything right now.
Then join (Score:2, Interesting)
An ISOC Member
Re:This is bad how? (Score:3, Insightful)
Think about what you're saying: the for-profit companies are the ones running the not-for-profit domain registration. If there's a fight between two groups over a domain and one of the groups is an industry association (oh, let's say the RIAA), which one do you think would be favored?
Re:This is bad how? (Score:2)
Re:This is bad how? (Score:1)
Did you not read my comment? They already allow for-profit organisations.
It is entirely unworkable to set a non-profit agenda for this domain in the future. At some point you're going to have to be grossly unfair to a lot of people which is what we want to avoid.
BTW the
What was your point again?
Re:This is bad how? (Score:2)
There can and will be not-for-profit organisations which will threaten income models. If you don't think they'll bail each other out
Re:This is bad how? (Score:2)
Well, they could unfairly favour large, rich corporations over poor non-profit organisations when settling disputes for one thing. The whole point of .org is to provide a safe place for non-profit orgs to live - if it's being administered by an org that is dominated by big corps and (ex-) directors of ICANN then I can't see that being a good thing.
Re:This is bad how? (Score:1)
Re:This is bad how? (Score:1)
This is a Good thing."
And which industry??? The org domain represents charities, clubs, and free software. The ISOC represents the commercial software and telecoms industries.
It's no use claiming that everyone will agree, if the org domain is administered by some of the people most hostile to those using the domain.
Run with Affilias? I hope not. (Score:2)
A) It's in some funky delimited format that doesn't work for any existing WHOIS parser. I tried adding an
B) It displays the registrant info. Nobody needs to know who the registrant is. Nine times out of ten it's some employee that either no longer even works for the company or has no authority to make domain decisions.
C) It displays the billing info. This means your home address if you happen to use a credit card to pay for the domain. Luckily some registrars will substitute their own info for your personal billing info but even then this seems sloppy.
Can someone fill me in on why Affilias can't even seem to get something as trivial as a WHOIS done correctly? And these people want to run
No thank you.
- JoeShmoe
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Re:Run with Affilias? I hope not. (Score:1)
Re:Run with Affilias? I hope not. (Score:2)
The only people who need to know the billing info for a domain is the registrar. They need to charge the billing contact. The general public has no need to know who pays for a domain. If you have a tech question/problem, you contact the zone contact or the tech contact. If you have a domain dispute or copyright complaint, you can contact the owner or the admin. No one need to contact the billing contact except the registrar who gets paid by them and they can easily keep that information in a separate database for themselves.
- JoeShmoe
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Re:Run with Affilias? I hope not. (Score:2)
B) Displaying the registrant info is my primary reason for using whois at all. If I want the nameservers, I can always use dig.
C) If you don't want your billing info made public, don't register your own domain name. Part of owning a domain is using it responsibly, and that means accountability, which only works if people can find you. If you don't want to play by these rules (which have been in place for at least a decade), then find a different game to play.
Re:Run with Affilias? I hope not. (Score:2)
Why isn't/shouldn't the registrant info be displayed? Because it is always out of date. The registrant fields cannot be changed. If your e-mail address or mailing address changes, you can't change the registrant fields. The only way to change it is to "transfer" the domain to yourself and pay an additional $35/whatever fee. ICANN's rules.
Now, all the other contact info, like Owner, Admin, Zone, Tech, Billing can be changed at any time. That is why these fields are the only contact info people should be using. That is why these fields should be the only ones visible.
And regarding billing info, so what BS are you proposing? Only corporations are allowed to own domains? Any private citizen who doesn't feel like putting their home information on a publically accessible database is unworthy to own a domain? As I said earlier, why does anyone even need to talk to the billing contact when the person with authority over the domain is the owner or the admin? And if billing info is key to accountability, why do ICANN rules say not to display it?
- JoeShmoe
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You can't make everyone happy (Score:2, Insightful)
I am sure that ICANN critics would be able to find something wrong with every single one of the groups vying for the
If the platter fits... (Score:3, Insightful)
Hmmm, an alleged non-controversial infrastructure overseer which expanded its mandate, tried to assess an unauthorized tax, and then summarily and unilaterally dismantled its already-small semblance of democracy and accountability (not to mention illegally hid its internal workings to prevent criticism)... yeah, I think "head on a silver platter" is just about right.
Re:You can't make everyone happy (Score:3)
A person who works for a major corporation has a responsibility to the interests of that corporation, not the other 99% of the entities who use the Internet. A group run by a consortium of these goons (goon. a man hired to terrorize or eliminate opponents. Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary) will always act in the interest of their companies, and against the interest of everyone else. The result is an official establishment of a tyrannical structure that exists for the purpose of prying money out of the fingers of the many and stuffing it into the pockets of the few. Very few.
This is why ISOC's corporate affiliation is important and unacceptable.
Yes, I screwed up (Score:1)
Bad choice (Score:5, Interesting)
Nepotism? (Score:5, Informative)
It seems ISOC is a body which is busy reforming itself to reduce the power of individual members [open-isoc.org]
Re:nix TLDs (Score:1)
Sure, we'll just make up for it by usin one between each digit for reverse dns anyways.
Re:nix TLDs (Score:1)
Re:nix TLDs (Score:3, Insightful)
The top poster did say, "Why not get rid of DNS?" (A different argument, altogether.) but "Why not get rid of TLD?" Is there any longer -- was there in fact ever -- a reason for partitioning the namespace into
Re:nix TLDs (Score:1)
Right. There _must_ be a root to the domain name tree somewhere; otherwise every computer would have to a unique name. Obviously out of the question. So why the TLDs we have now? Because ICANN stinks, and people knew that a registrar might go stinky; so the (US) military and (US) the government got their own domains, and all the soveriegn nations got their own nation-domain, too. Why are the TLDs limited? Otherwise, I can't tell, when you type slashdot.trolls, if you want the slashdot in the TLD trolls, or (one of) the slashdot.trolls on my local network.
- _Quinn
Nice to see that ICANN stays close to home... (Score:3, Interesting)
I bet its just a front for a corporate trust.
alternic (Score:1)
because... (Score:3, Interesting)
Do you have any more info on this? (Score:2)
I've never switched to alternic but I've kind of kept tabs on it a bit.
The biggest reason I haven't switched to alternic is because the internet can't work if everyone creates their own alternic.
Not for profit? (Score:2)
Microsoft (Score:2)
ISOC's membership page [isoc.org] lists Microsoft as one of the founding and highest ranking members.
I'll just sit back and watch the fireworks.
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Is BIND really that bad? (Score:2)
Is his software good enough to act as a production DNS server? It seems like it but I've never even heard of it before now.
If BIND is so bad and his is so great, how come more people haven't switched over. Or have they?
He needs to get one of the big distros to package his stuff.
Re:Is BIND really that bad? (Score:1)
see http://cr.yp.to/djbdns/blurb.html for some of them. lycos, btw, switched to it a couple of weeks ago.
What about the license for this software? (Score:2)
Re:Is BIND really that bad? (Score:1)
And there ain't nothin' worse than trying to make a phone call and discovering that the phone book no longer works.
ISOC is also made up of individuals (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:ISOC is also made up of individuals (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:ISOC is also made up of individuals (Score:2)
You think I don't?
It's been time for over a year to design ways to avoid the use of the resources controlled by these bodies. The flare-lit tip off was when the W3C announced that it was considering counting "standards" that one would need to pay to use as real standards. They have sort of retreated from that proposal, but that was a clear warning. The organizations that have in the past been trustworthy can no longer be counted on. In the past there wasn't that much money to be taken out of the internet, but now that it's seen as a valuable resource, they can't be trusted. So these centers of control need to be designed around *NOW*. We can't afford to wait until they actually move from these hesitant proposals to bold grabs for control. It takes time to design and implement these changes. So now is the time to already have a project in motion.
Re:ISOC is also made up of individuals (Score:5, Insightful)
Ah, but blockquoth the site openISOC [open-isoc.org]:
Seems pretty shady to me...
Re:ISOC is also made up of individuals (Score:2)
Or would you really rather call it ISOC BOT (I suck butt... "We leave it in your capable hands, ISOC BOT," "Thank goodness ISOC BOT," "I am sick and tired of dealing with ISOC BOT," "Ever since ICANN recognized that ISOC BOT, the .org TLDs have been in the toilet," etc.)?
Re:ISOC is also made up of individuals (Score:2)
Maybe we can just replace the human Board with a little script that trundles the web automatically..
Re:ISOC is also made up of individuals (Score:2)
Re:ISOC is also made up of individuals (Score:2)
2. As an ISOC insider, your statements regarding ISOC's character are to be taken with a grain of salt. Few insiders criticize their own organization.
3. ISOC does not represent the true ideals of the internet. It represents the interests of its corporate members. That MS is listed as one of the "founding members" of ISOC, speaks volumes about ISOC's allegience. An organization which represents the ideals of the internet is the EFF, and that organization would be a good choice for management of
Also, I've noticed that though ISOC has links to news regarding Internet Issues, they take no stance on them. This illustrates a clear lack of any backbone. ISOC will cave in to corporate interests in managing
Simply put,
Not my choice (Score:5, Informative)
ICANN's own conflict of interest rules are not this strict. But I consider ICANN's conflict-of-interest policy to be a minimum standard (and a weak minimum at that.) My vote is looking to be cast in favor of the best applicant, not the one that passes bare minimums.
I also wonder at the concept that competition is promoted by handing
Re:Not my choice (Score:2)
Is this likely to improve now that democracy has been successfully removed from ICANN? [slashdot.org] I would think that conflicts are likely to run even deeper once there are no elected members on the board. Thanks for giving the little guy a voice(at least for now), Karl. I voted for you :-)
Re:Not my choice (Score:2)
And Paul Dixie does ?
He is on a self confessed power grab and frankly the guy has VERY scarey ideals. Adopting the lesser of two evils is not a choice I'm prepared to support.
They just better carry all records over... (Score:2)
(I paniced when I first heard talk about making .org registered non-profits only, so I prepaid for as long as I could, hoping I'd get grandfathered in if it came to that...)
.ORG Should b e Organizations/like only (Score:3, Interesting)
Every time some corporations like the RIAA or MPAA owns a
Now, I'm not saying that any corporation that owns a
I have no problem with MS owning microsoft.com, microsoft.org, and microsoft.net, so long as they use those sites in a way true to their "extention". MS.com should be MS' commercial outlet. MS.net should be their network outlet; i.e., a forum for users to discuss their issues. MS.org should be for ideological movements within MS, which (in this case) would be MS' propaganda machine.
Re:.ORG Should b e Organizations/like only (Score:1)
However, you may note from the above, that whilst the organisation may not make a profit, concerned individuals and suppliers may make a very comfortable income.
Re:.ORG Should b e Organizations/like only (Score:2)
Here's the thing: people have been registering the domains they want since before you started using the net, which, from your self-righteous and mostly illogical rant, was probably only a couple of years ago. Shutdown your w4rez'd copy of Windows XP, and back away from Dell keyboard.
Domains are just domains. ICANN has control of the root servers - your trying to tell them how things "should be" with little logical basis for your arguments will get you rightly laughed at.
Re:.ORG Should b e Organizations/like only (Score:2)
The correct term is not-for-profit. Their is nothing in US law that says not-for-profits cannot make money. There are more then 27 different kinds of not-for-profits defined by the IRS. Each with their own abilities and benefits.
Keep in mind that a not-for-profit owned Hughes Aircraft until 1986. When it sold it the for-profit subsidary for a couple of billion dollars. Hershey's candy is also owned by a not-for-profit.
All a not-for-profit means is that the organization does not pay tax's. And is under a tremendous amount of scrutiny by the IRS. If you want to know what to know how much the MPAA and RIAA make. Go to http://www.guidestar.org and look it up.
You can write the code, but are not fit run it... (Score:2)
I find it absolutely amazing that IMS/ISC are rated so poorly, primarily on supposedly technical grounds.
Does anyone else find it unbelievable that the people currently running one of the TLD servers for the
I find criteria 7 to be stupid; it basicallymeans that "technical" preference should be given to plans from companies that sell add-on mail and web hosting, etc., commercial services.
Criteria 8 is also pretty stupid; the answer to the question is "these are the people defining the protocol changes to which the successful applicant will need to adapt".
They lost out on #9, as well, even though, according to Gartner, "One of the few proposals that discusses non- technical components of the transition such as staffing, facilities, technical support and community activities."; basically the complain boils down to "they are not a going for-profit registry concern".
Verisign still manages registration through *email*, for God's sake! Who the heck are they to cast stones?!?
-- Terry
Slashdotters should be ashamed of themselves... (Score:1)
ICANN goes for the money - Film at 11 (Score:1)
What a farce!
It is not that I particularly agree or disagreee with the final result - I guess I support both the ISOC bid as well as the Vixie bid. The only real problem I have with the ISOC bid is the conflic of interest issue that Karl Auerbach so astutely points out. Besides the conflict of interest, I'd like to know what the *problems* are that surround the ISOC bid.... anyone?
Why aren't *you* a member of ISOC? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Why aren't *you* a member of ISOC? (Score:2)
My main concern with ISOC is that not nearly enough people have joined it and participate in local chapters. I have expressed this concern on the main ISOC email list, and ISOC is gradually moving toward more public participation.
- Robin "Roblimo" Miller
I for one ... (Score:2)
For the Record (Score:1)
A sure sign that the report is bogus... (Score:2)
It wouldn't work... (Score:2)
I've got 20 sites on one IP address...