Disney Aquires Sen to Chihiro, Lasseter to Dub 263
peter_gzowski writes "Disney
has finally announced that it will be bringing Miyazaki's anime masterpiece Sen
to Chihiro (Spirited Away) over to North American theaters. Sen to Chihiro is
the most successful non-U.S. produced movie in the world. It has grossed about 30 billion yen ($226 million U.S.), which is more than Titanic (the previous record holder). We can expect it to be here around July."
John Lasseter of Pixar fame is lined up to consult on the dub. No voices
yet confirmed, but John: I'm available and willing.
Change the title, it's confusing (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Change the title, it's confusing (Score:5, Funny)
Worse than that, I thought they were trading Lasseter to George W. in exchange for a senator.
Winner of the Golden Berlin Bear (Score:2, Informative)
It's a very important fact since it's the first time that an animated movie which, moreover, happens to be a japanes animated movie won such an important prize. I don't know how many of you US based folks (I'm italian and I live in Italy, at the moment) heard of this movie festival but it's a pretty important festival here in Europe and the movies which get the prizes are usually considered to be high quality movies. I hope this will help animated movies to exit from the ghetto where they are (childish movies) and start being considered only movies; moreover I hope the prize will help the anime to be considered normal movies and not porn or low quality movies.
Ok, enough for the rant now,
Andrea
PS some more rant ;) I submitted the Berlin Prize story some weeks ago but it didn't make it to the main page, don't know why though. Sic transit gloria Slashdoti.
A brief review (Score:4, Informative)
Re:A brief review (Score:2, Informative)
Impressions page [nausicaa.net]
Lots of translated German articles from the recently concluded Berlin International Film Festival.
I want to know... (Score:1)
Out of luck Taco (Score:2)
Re:Out of luck Taco (Score:2)
That said, I think there's a little weasel that Taco would be perfect for.
Not more than Titanic (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Not more than Titanic (Score:5, Informative)
Otaku would find this statistic significant without requiring further elaboration because they already know that Princess Mononoke, also a Miyazaki creation, was the biggest grossing film in Japanese history until being supplanted by the inferior Titanic. That Miyazaki is champion again is gratifying.
Mis-use of 'Otaku' (Score:5, Informative)
"Otaku" does not mean hard-core anime fan. This is a mis-use common amongst American / western anime fans. Otaku is a word used to refer to someone who is REALLY into something, a fanatic, someone obsessed with something.
I have lived in Japan for the last 5 years. I have met people who take pictures of trains. They are otaku. My friend jokes that I was an origami otaku when I spent a few weeks making origami during all my free time at work. My (Japanese) wife says her boss is a computer otaku. This is a lighter joking way to use otaku, but it can be applied to any kind of hobby. The word in no way carries any connotations that are exclusive to manga or anime. An 'otaku' is someone who is a little strange.
Most of the perfectly normal Japanese kids I have known who enjoy reading manga and watching anime are NOT otaku. I have heard of a guy who had finished high school and hadn't looked for a job - he stayed in his room all day with the door closed reading manga, only leaving the house to buy more manga. That WOULD be a manga otaku.
Now about this story... I am really excited to hear that Sen to Chihiro will be available in English. I recal seeing the trailers for this movie for months while in the theatre to see other movies. It looked wierd but wonderful and the author is legendary.
Re:Mis-use of 'Otaku' (Score:2)
Don't go to Japan and try to use "otaku" that way, but don't try to use it when you talk to your grandmother, either.
What "otaku" really means (Score:3, Informative)
Note: This shift in meaning from noun (house) to pronoun (you) to noun (nerd) is not unusual in Japanese pronouns. There are about 80 well-known ways of saying "I", about a dozen in common use, and countless more in literary/historical use.
Let's consider a case in point: young boys refer t themselves as "boku," which originally meant something like "manservent." Since people often refer themselves and others by their roles, "boku" would indeed once have been a word for onesself, in certain circumstances. At some point in the past hundred years or so, it shifted from roughly "squire" to to a general word for the squire-like self, i.e., a young bou. Interestingly enough, the word "boku" can also mean "you," when used by someone else to address a boy; for example, his mother may call him that. (In English, we have the opposite -- parents call themselves what the children call them.)
Another example is "kimi," which originally something like "prince" (I think), but is now a warm and close "you" for certain social standings, perhaps like the French "tu" but with more restrictions on social use, age of participants, etc.
A related word for you is "kisama." But don't use it! Even though the "sama" suffix is an honorifi (a step more monorific than the well-known "san") using the resulting "kisama" to an individual is an invitation to a fistfight.
Japanese is a fascinating language, and has had hundreds of years to evolve nuances of meaning and usage in pronouns, nouns, and verbs expression relationships between people.
Why is it Otakus always start this debate? (Score:3, Informative)
Primarily in English-speaking culture, "Otaku" came from and tends to stick in the domain of anime. The only people that tend to use the word, in North America at least, use it in a reference to Anime fanatics. And anybody who overextends the name understands that its bridge into this culture is from the Anime fans. As a result, on the most part, the only people who complain about Otaku only being used with reference to Anime fans are, in fact, anime otakus.
I'm a Rocky Horror Picture Show Otaku. But I never really refer to myself as that (Usually I stick to "Rocky Horror Freak").
And yes, I realize how ethnocentric that attitude is, but the fact that this board is in the English Language kinda limits the jargon in this case. In the english language, the jargon term "Otaku" refers to a hardcore Anime fanatic.
Except to Otakus.
*runs to see if this is actually in the jargon file anywhere*
Crap. Someone wanna bug ESR about this?
Re:Not more than Titanic (Score:2)
From the summary:
Sen to Chihiro is the most successful non-U.S. produced movie in the world. It has grossed about 30 billion yen ($226 million U.S.), which is more than Titanic (the previous record holder). (emphasis added)
That's an awfully deceptive context switch.
Re:Not more than Titanic (Score:2)
The article wasn't referring to worldwide gross, but to the gross in Japan.
If you want a bit more trivia, it seems that Sen to Chihiro has the highest worldwide gross of any film that has not been released in the USA (I found it here [boxofficemojo.com], it's at #162)
Re:Not more than Titanic (Score:2)
So do we hate them or not? (Score:5, Insightful)
Well call me crazy because I'm becoming too passionate about something offtopic to this discussion, but if we're just going to forget it after one day, no wonder they're going to get away with it.
Re:So do we hate them or not? (Score:3, Insightful)
Yesterday we were mad about SSSCA [slashdot.org] and the fact that Disney is one of the few who are going to fuck the country with their bought Senator(s), and now we're cheering about them.
Maybe "we" should think for ourselves, and not give in to "group think" (on either side of the issue).
Just a thought.
Maybe not group think, but I've already decided... (Score:2)
I do not think that Disney deserves the time or money that they seek to get from me. I do not think that I should be supporting a company that so callously thinks of me and everybody else in this country- that they presume that all of us are thieves and that they need to get the government to make it such that their stuff is protected from us.
When someone falsely accuses me of something, I generally do not associate or do business with them. And, that's what Disney and all the other businesses and politicians are doing by supporting the SSSCA- they're accusing all of us of being thieves. I'm going to do what I can to not put money in Disney's pockets. I was thinking of going to Disneyworld this summer. Now, I'm not so sure. I don't think I'll be going to their movies at all until they change their tune, and very likely all movies because I suspect the other MPAA members are for this bill as well. I don't think I'll be purchasing anything licensed from their properties either for the same reason. I'll make it a point of mentioning that they were the biggest backer of the SSSCA and what the SSSCA is all about when opportunities present themselves- and I've already done so several times this last week. The results seem favorable as the people that I told didn't know this all was going on and they had issues with the idea and with all of what has gone down about the hearings and all.
Re:So do we hate them or not? (Score:4, Funny)
Re:So do we hate them or not? (Score:5, Insightful)
"Just because you hate the chef doesn't mean you can't enjoy the food..."
..and as long as you keep paying the chef, he will still be there and keep doing the things you hate.
Re:So do we hate them or not? (Score:2)
If it makes you feel better, I'm at the karma cap so I didn't gain anything...
Honestly, I don't understand all these emotional reactions to mods.
Re:So do we hate them or not? (Score:2)
Re:So do we hate them or not? (Score:3, Insightful)
If this sssca passes then you all have yourselves to thank!
Sorry if I blow up here but this attitude of supporting them one minute and blasting them the next really pisses me off. If you don't care about the SSSCA and love their movies then fine. But please and I mean please don't whine hear about the sssca one minute and happily fund it the next by purchasing there cd's and telling Disney you approve there actions by your money. Believe it or not Disney does not think there are screweing consumers. After all you keep paying them don't you? Pick a side and stick with it.
IF you and the rest of the consumers pay, then tell the marketing department that the companies actions are perfectly exceptable and supported. Remember that if your not part of the solution then your part of the problem!
Not even close to Titanic (Score:1, Informative)
Perhaps what the poster meant to say is that it has grossed more in Japan. And as usual, the rest of the world scratches its head in puzzlement over Japan's antics.
Re:Not even close to Titanic (Score:3, Funny)
Well, we really should cut 'em some slack. They're just in a hurry trying to figure out where to put all that anime licensing money.
Re:Not even close to Titanic (Score:2)
Misleading submission . . . (Score:1)
Re:Misleading submission . . . (Score:2, Insightful)
Requirements for English Dubbing (Score:5, Funny)
2. The dubbing must be out of sync from the movie by at least 1 second.
3. At least one out every ten words must be a gross mis-translation to add to the humor.
4. Whenever there is a plot-clarification dialog, it must be mangled beyond the point of sanity and include a chicken-crossing-the-road joke.
5. The dubber must drink a shot of vodka for every time the end of the world is threatened. Or, one shot every five minutes, whichever is greater.
6. If there is no humor is in the translation, it must be substituted with a 'momma' joke.
Re:Requirements for English Dubbing (Score:2)
I didn't much care for the usage of star actors and actresses doing the voices, really, but I guess it was warranted.
-9mm-
Re:Requirements for English Dubbing (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Requirements for English Dubbing (Score:2)
Personally, I'd rather have a translation that's as accurate as possible, rather than one that matches the mouth movements as closely as possible. I think that Gaiman did a pretty good job with Mononoke, but there were definitely some places where I felt that the subtitled version got some nuances better than the dub did. The best example I can think of was when Ashitaka's arm tried to draw his sword on Eboshi:
That's not a huge difference in meaning, but it's important enough that I'd prefer to have the second over the first. Of course I generally prefer to watch movies subtitled rather than dubbed because the original voices are almost always better, but the more literal translations are an important point too.
Re:Requirements for English Dubbing (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Requirements for English Dubbing (Score:2)
Voiceovers? (Score:2)
Could I be . . . (Score:3, Funny)
Change the title, it's blatantly embarrassing (Score:2, Offtopic)
Heh, how does the Linux/Geek world look when one of its largest internet hubs misspells something incredibly simple like acquires? Grarr!
:*(
Re:Change the title, it's blatantly embarrassing (Score:1, Troll)
Re:Change the title, it's blatantly embarrassing (Score:2)
However, since Slashdot is beginning to charge for access, the community's view on the editors' inability to employ proper grammar/spelling may very well be changing.
Of course (Score:3, Insightful)
So, how many theaters will this one appear in? Eight? Whaddya say guys? How about we go all out and book 100 theaters this time? Maybe a TV commercial or two?
While you're throwing money around, how about hiring some writers? You know, like the anime companies do? They've got television series for nine-year-olds with better dramatic structure and story quality than some Hollywood theater dramas.
Meanwhile, in other news, plans were just announced for (dalmatians, dalmatians<105, dalmatians++), Cinderella 3: I Just Want my Pumpkin Back, Your Honor, and Tron: The Musical.
..and that Suncoast anime DVD rack just keeps growing...
Disney sequels? What about Pinocchio II? (Score:2)
Meanwhile, in other news, plans were just announced for(dalmatians; dalmatians<105; dalmatians++), Cinderella 3: I Just Want my Pumpkin Back, Your Honor, and Tron: The Musical.
Notably absent is Pinocchio II, possibly because another studio got there first and f*cked it up [imdb.com].
Re:Of course (Score:2)
Not to rain on your otaku parade, but movies whose box-office takes are considered "disappointing" by Disney tend to blow the revenues of American theatrical releases of anime out of the water. In fact, even Disney's less fortunate American rivals like Fox and Warner Brothers do better.
Reality check: anime isn't new, even over here. I saw the American theatrical premiere of Akira in fall 1988. It's nearly 14 years later. Stop waiting for anime to make American animation irrelevant. It hasn't happened. It isn't happening. It isn't going to happen.
Reality check part two: by and large anime isn't groundbreaking, cutting edge stuff any more than American animation is. It isn't less formulaic, either. They're just using different formulas. You may like the anime formulas better than the Disney formulas. More power to you. That doesn't make the Disney formulas less successful, or more likely to go away.
There are a lot of reasons to be disappointed with Disney, but the quality of their feature animation group's work (as distinct from the TV group, which is the one responsible for such wonders as Cinderella II and other OAVs) usually isn't one of them. And in Hollywood, "daring" is relative. Out of major American animation studios, they were the first to embrace computers, the first to make a PG cartoon (Black Cauldron) and possibly the first to make a movie without a happily ever after ending (Pocahontas). And as much as I liked Shrek and Monsters, Inc., they were arguably closer to the Canonical Disney Formula (tm) than Disney's own Atlantis was. (With the notable exception of Prince of Egypt, all of Dreamworks' animations are more Disney than Disney, and I suspect Prince only escaped because Katzenberg thought he'd be struck by lightning if he gave Moses a jive-talking camel sidekick.)
Re:Of course (Score:3, Interesting)
"..but let's start off by trivializing everything you've written."
movies whose box-office takes are considered "disappointing" by Disney tend to blow the revenues of American theatrical releases of anime out of the water.
Oh, please. What theatrical releases of anime? Princess Mononoke? Where did it premiere again, a converted gymnasium in eastern Wisconsin? Where was it advertised? Besides, Disney probably considered the Pokemon movies "disappointing." Must be why 12 of them were made.
Stop waiting for anime to make American animation irrelevant. It hasn't happened. It isn't happening. It isn't going to happen.
Uh huh. American animation *is* irrelevant, because there *isn't any.* Anime didn't have to do a thing. Except for the Pixar pixel-fests, and the occasional non-Disney film, any American animation is either cancelled or is itself a near-tribute to anime.
It also depends where you look. Fox just dumped Saturday morning cartoons. Nickelodeon and WB are frantically trying to find a reliable way to compete with Cartoon Network, which practically makes it's living on anime, achieves ratings that routinely smash the rest of cable television, and is now available in over 80 million households; so much so that WB actually pulled Toonami over to *network* television (and proceeded to try to out-Toonami Toonami, and failed, of course, because they don't get it either).
The only company that is still producing animated films in any appreciable quantity is Disney, and their recent efforts include a recycled version of Snow White (home video only) and sequels to Peter Pan and Cinderella. Sounds like they're doing just great.
by and large anime isn't groundbreaking, cutting edge stuff
That's one opinion.
It isn't less formulaic, either. They're just using different formulas. You may like the anime formulas better than the Disney formulas.
Then again, I might not. I'll say this: Anime, formulas or not, is written with more skill and attention to dramatic form than most current television shows or films.
Whatever they are using, it works, obviously.
but the quality of their feature animation group's work (as distinct from the TV group, which is the one responsible for such wonders as Cinderella II and other OAVs) usually isn't one of them.
It's not the animation, it's the writing. Interesting example, by the way. With all their millions, could they hire ONE WRITER, ONE??? ANYONE to come up with something better than trying to squeeze a sequel out of "happily ever after?" It doesn't matter if it's the "TV group" or not.
And in Hollywood, "daring" is relative.
So is "cutting edge."
Disney has made it very clear that they would rather do pixels and re-releases, and that they are not fans of anime in any form. Taking Princess Mononoke, and practically guaranteeing it's failure, THEN *COMPLAINING* that it was a disappointment, *THEN LICENSING A SECOND MOVIE FROM THE SAME DIRECTOR* is what causes the question marks.
The fact is, anime is cool, other (drawn) animation isn't. The reasons for this apparently cannot be grasped by animation/television/film company executives, and until it is, they will continue to have trouble competing.
Does anyone really want a dub?? (Score:3, Insightful)
Then again, perhaps I'm just bitter because of the horrible dubs made my companies like Funimation to some of my favorite pieces of Anime. Bad translations, awful voice work, and horrible replacement music. Let's hope the same doesn't happen with Sen to Chihiro.
Re:Does anyone really want a dub?? (Score:1)
OTOH Ninja Scroll was primo; was that a dub, or was it animated for the English market to begin with?
Re:Does anyone really want a dub?? (Score:1)
Re:Does anyone really want a dub?? (Score:2)
Re:Does anyone really want a dub?? (Score:2)
Re:Does anyone really want a dub?? (Score:2)
I saw Metropolis a few weeks ago, and a lot of stunning, panoramic shots of the city were diminished for me because the characters kept speaking.
Of course, when watching live-action foreign films I find dubbing grotesque.
Re:Does anyone really want a dub?? (Score:2)
The breaks in the visuals can't be eliminated through just seeing them a lot. I could get used to it, maybe, but I don't WANT to get used to it; I like soaking in the panoramic shots.
And like I said, I prefer subtitling on live-action anything. But on anime where the character's mouths don't correspond with the sounds exactly anyway, it's not so much an issue.
Re:Does anyone really want a dub?? (Score:2)
What if you take the subtitled version, dubbed it exactly, and use actors that can give a bit of reflection and emotion? Personally, I find a lot of japanese girl voices to be too high pitched (annoying), and male voices not strong or deep enough (like Vegeta on DBZ).
Re:Does anyone really want a dub?? (Score:3, Interesting)
But that's part of the character. When I watch anime I'm watching *japanese* animation. The characters are japanese people and the story usually takes place in japan. They shouldn't sound like american valley girls and surfers. Part of what I like about anime is seeing (and hearing) a different culture.
But this is an arguement about translation that has been going on much longer than anime has existed, with both sides having good points. When translating Tolstoy's novels to English, there was a debate about translating the russian street names into common american street names (Main, Lincoln, etc). One said claimed that the novels take place in russia, so the names shouldn't be changed. The other side said that the russian names would detract from the story because they would be unfamiliar and exotic sounding, and when *russian people* read Tolstoy they don't hear that in the names. So by changing the street names you would allow the english readers to have the same *experience* reading the book as do russian readers. I'd agree with the first arguement, but I can understand why someone might agree with the second.
One anime that I do prefer dubbed is Nadesico. There are just too many characters speaking over eachother to make the subtitles work well -- you can't tell which text goes with which character. And they did a pretty good job with the voice acting in english.
Re:Does anyone really want a dub?? (Score:2)
In the US, dubbing occurs after the animation is complete (in the case of anime, at least) so the actors have the opportunity to sync more closely to the animation. American consumers seem more concerned with the sync quality than Japanese consumers, as well.
A couple of links to reviews & pics.. (Score:2, Informative)
http://www.digital.anime.org.uk/rsen.html [anime.org.uk]
http://www.nausicaa.net/miyazaki/sen/ [nausicaa.net]
The plot summary on one page ends with this: "But can she win back her name and return home?"
I'm not sure that a plot like that would go over too well in somewhere like L.A. Nobody there wants to move back to their parent's farm or trailer park in the midwest/deep south and change their name back to some unwieldy thing that won't fit on a marquee.
I prefer "live action" pornography (Score:1, Funny)
Tentacle pr0n (Score:2, Funny)
Disney acquires Senator Chihiro (Score:3, Funny)
It sounds crazy, but Disney buying out a member of Congress seems somehow plausible.
Arghhh... why? (Score:2)
Re:Pixar needs disney... (Score:2)
How exactly would someone buying out the horribly unsuccesful square pictures and hiring away animators from Pixar make it a profitable company? Profitability comes from a succesful buisness plan. That would probably mean making an entertaining movie, and that is something that animators are not the main source of. Final Fantasy was a rediculously bad movie sugar coated with beautiful CGI and quirky, unrealistc combonations of motion capture and traditonal animation. Pixar's movies are clever, well thought out, well written, well acted, well animated, and well marketed. Yes they have some of the best in world working for them, but that alone doesn't make good movies, and certainly doesn't make profitability.
True, Pixar does have compitition that isn't run by disney. However DreamWorks was started by Steven Spielburg.
This has no relevance to anything in your post.
however the talent that is making pixar so great could easily find a way out of any contracts they have with disney and work for another studio
How exactly do you know this? How do you know they have contracts, could go somewhere else, or even want to?
Please tell you have been drinking, or are just a very skilled troll.
Re:Pixar needs disney... (Score:2)
Wow, I'm glad that you know so much about pixar. So I guess the guys I know who work for pixar are mis-informed. I don't know where you get your information from, but disney doesn't own all the hardware. On the contrary, pixar acts like a division. Here is an old article in businessweek feb 24, 1997.
On Monday, Feb. 24, Eisner and Pixar founder Steven Jobs announced a $15 million deal in which Disney bought a 2.5% stake in Pixar Animation Studios, the computer animation shop that made 1995's hit Toy Story. Disney also gets warrants to buy another 2.5% of Pixar if it chooses.
Pixar doesn't need disney. Pixar had tons of studios wanting to partner with them, so the idea pixar will die without disney is ludicruous.
Hahaha. (Score:2)
And Slashdot, should we or should we not support Disney? After all, they are the primary advocates of The Root of All Evil (tm), the SSSCA. (I loathe the SSSCA, for your information.)
Re:Hahaha. (Score:1)
Re:Hahaha. (Score:2)
You're right of course. Slashdot is notoriously hypocritical regarding Disney.
Re:Hahaha. (Score:1)
I know --- PIRACY! There's a perfect answer for everything.
Re:Hahaha. (Score:2)
I've been anticipating Disney's entry into anime (using their original name, of course). After all, they're an American Entertainment Conglomerate (tm). And what is the most common philosophy adopted by American Entertainment Conglomerates? If you can't reproduce its quality, buy it out. Disney's formula is obsolete, it's that simple. They must take action to ensure that they maintain their grasp on the market.
Re:Hahaha. (Score:2)
Same with calling Jigen a "monk" - which might be the literal translation, but monk carries different connotations for westerners. By using poor approximations of Japanese words, the movie very often causes confusion. Really, it made much more sense in a badly done, blurry sub that left a few untranslatable words in then it did after Miramax and Gaiman got through with it.
Dear Mr. Lasseter - subtitles (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Dear Mr. Lasseter - subtitles (Score:2)
Subtitles all the way for me...
Re:Dear Mr. Lasseter - subtitles (Score:2)
I watched an old Hong Kong Kungfu flick once with sub-titles that went like this:
Distraught hero is discussing his next course of action after taking a drubbing from the bad guy, he is talking with his teacher
Student: should I challenge bad guy to a duel and restore my families honour?
At this point the teacher speaks for about 2 minutes, then the sub-title:
NO!
Cracked me up.
I've also found different sub-titles on the same movie, one was abridged, the other was a fair bit wordier and told the sory much better.
The point is, bad sub-titles can be just as bad as bad dubbing.
Re:No way (Score:2)
Learn to read (Score:2)
Disney still doesn't "get it" (Score:3, Interesting)
Sen deals with Japanese Mythology (which many North Americans won't know/care anything about), and of course, there's the ghost/spirit angle which will drive the biblethumpers down south crazy...
Nevertheless, they perhaps should've stuck to some more genuine "crowd pleasers" to get the ball rolling. Frankly I'm amazed that they didn't already do a full theatrical release of Laputa (or Castle in the Sky as they're calling it). It always generates the biggest and best reaction amongst first-time Ghibli viewers IMHO.
Re:Disney still doesn't "get it" (Score:2)
They do also have to deal with the small problem that "laputa" is a very obscene word in Spanish, hence them just calling it "Castle in the Sky".
I also read that they re-did the music for the American version, because the original Japanese version only had about 1 hour of music in the 2-hour movie, but they feel American audiences can't go more than a few minutes without hearing music in a movie. They were saying how e.g. when an army appears, you have to hear army music, etc. Yeah, makes Americans sound like real idiots. (Ok, you know you wanna respond to that last bit.) The music in the original version is great; it's one of only two anime soundtracks that I just had to buy (the other was Windaria).
John Lasseter is jesus (Score:1)
He drew the BSD Daemon on the cover of my "design and implementation of the BSD OS" book.
No the most successful non-US movie (Score:2, Insightful)
I'm sure Sen to Chichiro is very good but let's not get too fan-boyish about it, eh?
Uh Oh (Score:4, Funny)
Rob buddy, you'd just better pray that Kathleen didn't read this one.
Is this the same Disney... (Score:4, Insightful)
Is this the same Disney that wants to destroy your right to enjoy your computer hardware and software technology just so they can methods to prevent you from accessing the content you have already bought and paid for? Is this the same Disney that so many people are now telling friends and family to boycott? Is this the same Disney that has bought and paid for Senator Hollings, D-SC [senate.gov]?
It is. (Score:2)
Bwaa ha ha ha ha (Score:2)
Oooh, oooh, Mr. Kotter, I can do voice overs!
Disney is the creator of the SSSCA (Score:2)
From one perspective we have a great movie translated and dubbed into English.
On the other hand, profits from this movie will go right to back the SSSCA.
The SSSCA will basically mean the destruction of the Open Source community. Microsoft has a patent on DRM based Operating Systems and even if Linux, at some point, does become compliant with the SSSCA, I am sure MS will not license the patent to the OSS community.
What am I going to do? I am not going to be watching or buying any more Disney movies.
I don't think I could look at myself in the mirror.
I don't know what you guys are going to do but I think you should think long and hard about the situation.
I hope the eventual DVD version is good! (Score:2)
However, given the finicky demands of DVD owners, I expect the DVD version of Spirited Away to have both the English-dubbed version and the Japanese language original complete with literal English translation subtitles of the original Japanese. That's why I really liked the DVD version of Princess Mononoke.
Gross (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Gross (Score:2)
$1.8 trillion would be about a third of the Gross Domestic Product. *That's* a lot.
Lasseter (Score:2)
Anyone else read this as... (Score:2)
Re:Anyone else read this as... (Score:2)
It's a sad state of affairs that such a thing is the FIRST interpretation of something like this. (Yes, I thought the same thing, and was wondering who Senator Chihiro was, and who this Lasseter person was who was reporting it to "Dubya"....
Disney's really making a reputation for themselves, aren't they...
Re:Nooooooo! (Score:2)
Re:Nooooooo! (Score:1)
Disney isa driving force behind the MPAA's etempts to turn the pc into content players and the internet into a content streem at the cost of owr freedom.
I know a few people who work there and they make you sign a contract that says every thing you create while you are employed at disney is property of disney. It dosn't matter if you do it at home affter work. So for example you can't work on GPL software on your free time
Re:Nooooooo! (Score:2)
Void and unenforceable in California. "Against the public policy of this State" I believe appears in the text of the statute. No amount of Tinkerbell fairy dust is going to make it any different.
Now, if it's related to Disney's business, and done on their time, then it should belong to Disney.
Re:Nooooooo! (Score:2)
When one works in a creative capacity for someone else, clearly they should be granted the right to copy and make derivative works and so on. But they should not be granted THE Copyright.
I'm not holding my breath though.
Re:Nooooooo! (Score:2)
Well, technically it isn't Work for Hire either. Work for Hire is someone independently producing something (not as an employee) for the specific purpose of being purchased by someone else. With the work of an employee, this is assumed, since the employee is paid for their time already.
Did Disney create that character design? Only legally. At the end of the day, some individual or a small group did so. Yet they don't even have moral rights to their work!
Unless they negotiated them in advance, then that is correct.
When one works in a creative capacity for someone else, clearly they should be granted the right to copy and make derivative works and so on. But they should not be granted THE Copyright.
Agreed, under a couple of conditions: Any derivative works should not be commercially competitive with the original, and copies should obviously be limited in that they cannot be sublicensed elsewhere.
Most companies that hire creative works are *very* heavy-handed about this stuff so they can "maximize their potential upside" and all that. I really don't think it's necessary.
Re:Nooooooo! (Score:2)
A work for hire is a work prepared by an employee within the course and scope of his employment.
OR
"a work specially ordered or commissioned for use as a contribution to a collective work
"Work for Hire" is traditionally used to describe cases of independent contribution to a larger work. It is rarely if ever used to describe the work of an employee, where it is presumed as part of employment.
Re:not quite (Score:2)
thus,
used to describe the work of an employee, where it is presumed as part of employment.
For the sake of completeness, shall I quote the entire text of the title next time? Once I'm found quoting myself, that would seem to indicate all of the relevant information has been covered adequately.
Yeeeeees. (Score:2)
That was why the Mononoke DVD almost didn't have Japanese audio--Buena Vista Japan objected, fearing that the Japanese would import the DVD back into Japan, and DVD pirates would make cheap knockoffs, and it would hurt their bottom line.
The thought over on the Miyazaki Mailing List is, in part, that Spirited Away might just be Miyazaki's second chance in the USA. If it turns out to be a big hit, then that might kick Disney into gear cranking out the DVDs, if they can put "From the director of Spirited Away" on the cover in big letters. See this message from Marc Hairston [brown.edu] for the reasoning.
Re:Anime in theatres? (Score:1)
Re:Anime in theatres? (Score:2)
Re:Anime in theatres? (Score:3, Interesting)
The entire audience I saw it with squirmed uncomfortably when they saw what was going on.
Re:Anime in theatres? (Score:2)
Really? I didn't notice that in the audience I saw it with, and the theater was quite literally a few blocks away from where the WTC used to stand. In fact the theater itself was most likely closed for a while after 9/11...