Reviews Of AMD Duron 'Morgan' 1GHz 117
Anonymouse writes: "AMD today released their 1GHz Duron, based on the morgan core, which was mentioned briefly in your earlier Athlon article. It adds hardware pre-fetch, an internal thermal diode for accurate temperature sensing on boards that can read it, and SSE instructions. It is also the same core that will become the DuronMP for ultra cheap low-end SMP system. NewsForge has a review of it under Linux, and FiringSquad and Hexus.net have reviews for it under Windows." Nice complement to the new Athlons. 1GHz in a low end processor -- sheesh!
Assembled in Malaysia? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Assembled in Malaysia? (Score:2, Informative)
Basically yes, though Athlons/Durons are fabbed in the US and Germany not Japan.
I want one for low heat (Score:5, Insightful)
This new Duron dissipates 41 Watts typical, 46 Watts maximum; a 1.4 GHz Thunderbird dissipates 65 Watts typical, 72 Watts maximum, or about 60% more heat. (Numbers from the AMD web site.)
Less heat means a better chance of making the computer really quiet. Instead of a noisy high-volume cooling fan for the heat sink, I can use a quieter low-volume cooling fan.
The mobile version is even tastier: only about 24 Watts for the 900 MHz version. I would drool for a MicroATX board with a couple of mobile Durons on it running SMP!
steveha
Re:I want one for low heat (Score:1)
his new Duron dissipates 41 Watts typical, 46 Watts maximum; a 1.4 GHz Thunderbird dissipates 65 Watts typical, 72 Watts maximum, or about 60% more heat. (Numbers from the AMD web site.)
Well, 46W is still plenty much heat to suck out of your box. If you really care about noise, you'd better go you, buy some cheap VIA C3 (Aka. Samuel 2, with L2 Cache Onchip) and build yourself a fanless X Client to connect to your Dual Athlon 1.4 GHz hidden in the Basement (where no one is annoyed of the noise such a Bastard generates).
Would be good enough for most jobs, except games. But to be honest, have you ever heard of a hardcore gamer who cares about noise?
Gamers want low heat/ noise too!! (Score:1)
If you are listening in (say) Half-Life/Counterstrike or Quake for the sounds made by your opponents, having several fans generating 80dB by your ear is not conducive to hearing the sounds made by your enemy slowly creeping up to a good shooting position.
Therefore boxes which generate little extraneous noise are a good thing to gamers, and your frag ratio!! What you really want is a killer box with no fan noise.
Also gamers want low heat as well, a sweaty gamer fragging in just his/her underwear is not a pretty sight (and may get him/her arrested)!
Re:Gamers want low heat/ noise too!! (Score:1)
Unless you have a hearing disability, this shouldn't be too much of a problem. Buy a pair of headphones for gaming.
Re:Gamers want low heat/ noise too!! (Score:1)
What about something which doesn't need a fan (Apple ??) or even a non-Intel Linux box (Alpha, or IBM RS chip - not sure if these need lots of air circulation or not).
There are lots of lots of fans and PSUs which have low noise fans around (see Slashdots passim); anyone know of a high efficiency PSU or possibly switch mode PSU which doesn't need a fan ? One thing to bear in mind though is that the PSU fan also IIRC circulates air round your PC box too, so if you get rid of the fan from the PSU you may still need some form of CPU/ processor cooling.
After that, you have the hard disk drive noise; I believe there are also low noise HDDs, or alternativle have enough RAM on board such that your PC can spin down your hard drive when not in use.
eh? (Score:1)
Really? I play DVD's on a lowly P-II 450, and it works fine. Then again, its going through a Hollywood Hardware Decoder board
Surprisingly, dropping all that cash on the "Home Entertainment" system was my wife's idea
Re:Gamers want low heat/ noise too!! (Score:1)
Poetic license doesn't exist where you are then ?
Actually I've recently suffered from a ear infection which gave me tinnitus, which in turn totally stuffed my hearing, headphones or no. Fortunately I got better, but my hearing is still not 100%. Headphones are not an option, as I'm normally only allowed to play games when I'm keeping an ear out for any noises coming from our children upstairs, so I don't want to screen out important ambient noises.
Re:Gamers want low heat/ noise too!! (Score:1)
Re:Gamers want low heat/ noise too!! (Score:1)
sound proofing foam in the case?
even outside the case, i'de be extremely leary about it. normally with these "core meltdown in 7 seconds" cpus, you want to have LOTS of air flow through the case. hot air out, cool air in.
maybe if that sound proof foam also doubles as an fridgerator :)
Re:What is your Fans choice? (Score:2)
I haven't found the perfect CPU fan yet.
I have used the Orb fans; the computer I'm typing this on has a Chrome Orb. The web site I bought it from claims it is 29 decibels, which is quieter than most, but that CPU fan is by far the loudest thing in this computer.
So I'm still looking. Here are my top contenders:
Silverado -- as reviewed on Tom's Hardware. But I don't know where to buy one (my web search found a place in England that sells them, but I don't know where to get one in the USA).
Thermalright SK6 -- an all-copper heat sink; you can put any 60mm fan you like on top. So, if I can find a really quiet 60mm fan, this would be a winner. Because it is copper, this heat sink really works; copper is better than aluminum.
Zelman CNPS3100g -- this heat sink is gold-plated copper, for maximum heat sinkage. It looks like a flower. It comes with a separate fan, which is said to be very quiet.
Now, as a rule, small fans with high RPMs will be noisier than big fans with lower RPMs. So my next computer will have a 120mm on the back, below the power supply. I'm hoping that if I put the Zelman on a Duron that I just might be able to get away with no CPU cooling fan; the 120mm fan might draw enough air over the Zelman to make it work. I can only try, and if it doesn't work, I'll go with a CPU cooling fan after all. We'll see.
I heard that in a month or two there will be heat sinks available that use 80mm fans instead of 60mm fans! Since bigger, slower fans are quieter than smaller, faster fans, in theory an 80mm fan should be able to be very quiet. And I have some very quiet 80mm fans (the so-called "Silencer" fan from PC Power and Cooling). The Silencer fan uses a hard drive power connector though, and I'd rather use a 3-pin connector (with tach for the motherboard to monitor the fan). Still, the Silencer shows how quiet an 80mm fan can be.
There is a gadget called the Digital Doc 5 that mounts in a 5.25" drive bay, and controls multiple fans. It can be set to keep an eye on the temperature, and turn on more fans if it goes too high. So perhaps I can set up the Zelman with its fan, but its fan will default to being off; and if the fan is needed, the Digital Doc 5 will turn it on.
http://www.macpower.com.tw/digitaldoc5.htm [macpower.com.tw]
steveha
Re:I want one for low heat (Score:1)
Like the Silverado, which you can buy from this german company [noisecontrol.de].
As you can read in this article on Tom's hardware [tomshardware.com], they are both VERY quiet and able to dissipate all the heat the Athlon generates. A bit expensive though.
Re:I want one for low heat (Score:1)
It's really frustrating - why can't we get a CPU with the speed of an Athlon, the power consumption of a Tualatin P3 (which isn't great at 29W, but the best of all the high performers), and a stable chipset to run it on?
Re:I want one for low heat (Score:2)
Also, instead of the CPU and video card fans, try a low RPM 120mm monster installed by cutting out a hole in your case. This fan is intake, PS fan is outtake. The caveat is that you have to get a can of spray air and clean out the system every three months.
NAS
Really disappointing (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Really disappointing (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Really disappointing (Score:1)
Re:Really disappointing (Score:1)
Well, it's not out yet but here's the Crusoe-based notebook [paceblade.com] I've been waiting for. It isn't out yet, but it doesn't seem like vapor. They've been updating their site recently and that's always a good sign.
The best part is that you can pull the screen away from the keyboard and use it as a webpad. That plus a non-scalding transmeta chip makes it worth the wait, for me at least.
Re:Really disappointing (Score:1)
Who's selling these things? Vendor list. (Score:1)
Technical specs aside, and interesting they are, it would be nice to see a list of vendors for those feebleminded souls (e.g., moi) who don't plan on building a machine by molding their own tower and smithing the wires. IBM just dropped AMD chips and Dell doesn't sell them. That leaves Compaq (ick) and, I think, HP in the heavyweight category. Also Gateway and Micron. AMD maintains what looks like an outdated list of where to buy AMD systems here: http://www.amd.com/products/cpg/bguide.html [amd.com]
Everyone is talking major CPU price war in the upcoming months, so I'm thinking October for my monster-mega-dual-mp3 player. ("2GHz, because Word just doesn't open fast enough on a P3.") Cheap dual Athlon 1.4 by then?
Saludos, Mig
http://www.kasparovchess.com [kasparovchess.com]
Re:Who's selling these things? Vendor list. (Score:1)
Re:Who's selling these things? Vendor list. (Score:1)
Enuf with the plugs, the 1.4g's are pleanty cheap now. Pretty sick u can get all that power for about 2 or 3 tanks of gas in my truck.
Re:Who's selling these things? Vendor list. (Score:1)
Re:Who's selling these things? Vendor list. (Score:1)
The best advantage to AMD processors. (Score:4, Interesting)
The SD Ram advantage and improved cooling should make this the budget buyers choice - the simple fact that it is a flipchip pro as well means you dont neccesarily have to buy a new board - owners of most compatible boards can simply swap chips.
The new core is a good move - the celeron crippling has bugged me a lot - i have sold a few but im not happy totally with their performance and the morgan does get around that ( i find cache comaprisons irrelevant for most users)
In australia you can pick up a Duron and Board with Ram for under $500 (approx $250US) - this is a great price - the Celerons are neck and neck but generally a little dearer - the price gets better when you go to the Tbird - the difference is up to $100 on some models of P4.
The only concern i have about Athlons (as stated in a post on todays other AMD story) is heat - i have found that the AMD processors need good cooling and this means lots of fans - which are noisy, this is a disadvantage to many of the home user (non enthusiast) market who dont want the noise of 3 or 4 fans.
If the new processors do show the claimed lower heat buildups then they will help in making the AMD accepeted in the mass (home - mums and dads) market.
As for vendor support - well the reasons arent hard to work out - IBM make their own processors and they have an already unwieldy product range so they made a decision to drop AMD - Dell are one of Intel's largest customers and i can only guess at the discounts - and Ditto Compaq. I think we will see them move towards AMD (all but Dell - thats not going to happen trust me) slowly - REMEBER THIS - most of these companies rely on their Major corporate customers for cash flow and sales (corporates buy more and are not as price concious as home and enthusiasts) and those corporates by and large Buy INTEL machines running MICROSOFT software (with 3COM nic's, HP Printers, etc etc) The coporate market is the area AMD need to win over - they have had huge success with Gamers and budget buyers but not in the corporates (they have long memories and AMD have had some spectaculat screw ups in the mid/late 1990's with chip problems - this gave them the unreliable tag in many corporate minds - they stick with what they know)
I hope this chip does all it looks like - i want one at any rate.
Re:The best advantage to AMD processors. (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:The best advantage to AMD processors. (Score:2)
Boy, its a good thing that at least intel boxes running Microsoft Windows are stable. After all its not the software's fault but the chips fault that brings up reliability issue.
Re:The best advantage to AMD processors. (Score:2)
A few reasons again why corporates use MS Win and Office products
1. Lower support costs - Yep its true - with a Standard Environment and SMS admin is mainly remote and cuts down considerably on staff required (Linux is an excellent OS but is still IMHO not stable enough for a corporate luser (i support them so i have some grounds to make this comment)) - you can also be disingenoius and say that a blind monkey can support windows - i dont as this devalues and insults my staff
2. Your documents and files can be exchnaged with other companies - Star Office sucks - sorry theres no other way to say it. Modern companies make major use of macros and customised documents which star office mangles - its compatability is ok for the eductaed user but not for the normal person.
3. Peripherals and hardware are all supported out of the box - when supporting a large number of desktops this is vital -under win2k we have not needed drivers for 95% of our equipment and printers.
4. MS is a corporate as well - dont overlook this one - big companies deal with other big companies - it makes them feel safe
5. Constancy - MS products dont change every month (im not throwing off at constant development in Linux - its one of the things i like about it - but it would be hell in an office) and at the whim of a disparate group of people - this makes corporates feel safer again
6. Simplicity of choice - you choose 1 desktop os and 1 server OS - no complicated distributions to work out and incompatabilites etc - Windows compatible softare works on all windows boxes running the right version - this is a big bonus to corporates.
Now i like linux - i use Slackware at home and find it a great OS for the knowledgeable user - i wouldnt dream of runing a web server or proxy on anything else, but the support loads in rolling it out and training users in a non technical environment is something else - at the moment out IT budget is AU$40 Million - we have major projects on the go including and SAP rollout (ERP), Domain Rebuild and global AD and DNS implementation, SOE Phase 2, Network infrastructire Updgrade, Cognos , Oracle Backend development, Web portal for clients linked into the above, Desktop replacement (all of my machines come off lease this year) etc etc - this is with 90 total staff in IT spread across Australia
Where would we find time to evaluate, design and then implement Linux and the money to pay for the extra staff required to support the product ?
The point im making is to those people outside corporate IT and on the lower levels in IT the decsions to use Open Source etc seem simple, trust me at a higher level they are not and until a company or group brings out a Stable and simple linux disro will full compaptability in software with MS Word, Excel etc then corporates will stay the way they are (frankly many of them wouldnt even give linux a thought then) - The desktop OS is a minor problem for us - in the days of ERP and CRM systems running on global platforms coupled with the constant pressure for growing infrastructure and 24/7/365 availability of said systems (and staffing involved) the decsion of MS (known and understood is sometimes crappy) VS Linux (Unknown, too much like Unix in many of the older managers minds, tarred with image of hackers and zealots, not offered by their chosen vendor (IBM are just 1 and they dont have a major desktop presence in the Aust corporate market) then making no change is the easiest way.
AMD made a mistake and produced bad chips (their first Pentiums) they then seemed to abandon the corporate market - they dont play at getting it back, that was my point.
Dont try and lower EVERYTHING to an MS is shit line - sure some of us think that, some of us dont, some of us think both sides have merit - but the world is not black and white and neither is that issue.
I can hardly wait ... (Score:2)
Oh wait - my monitor is not good enough for 119.5 and my network connection is the limiting factor for "real gamming"
It's ok anyway - at least i will know that those extra dolars give me the possibility of getting those extra 11fps
Re:I can hardly wait ... (Score:1)
Fps at low resolutions are NOT done to show how much fun is to play that game at 640x480x 1000fps. If tested at 1280x1024, the same game would be around 50fps for ALL cpus, because at that resolution the limiting factor is the videocard.
The only way to use a game as a CPU benchmark is to use low resolutions: you factor out the videocard, and you are left with cpu and memory performance.
Now, we could debate on the opportunity of using MDK2 instead of CPUMark2000... if you want CPU scores, use CPU benches. If you want to answer "Will my gaming needs will be satisfied?", test a real-world game setup.
Re:I can hardly wait ... (Score:1)
The point here is that this new microprocessor will have a nice premium compared to the Duron 950Mhz (i expect it to be 10% more expensive - just like the Duron 950MHz still is in relation to the 900Mhz) while only giving a boost of about 8% to something that really doesn't need that boost (119fps-Quake3@800x600) - things like kernel compilations don't even have that big an increase in speed (less than 2% best case).
Is it worth it buying it instead of the cheaper Duron 950MHz?
Judging from these reviews, and unless it's price is less that 5% above that of the Duron 950Mhz - No.
Then again who ever said that human beings were logical
Re:Duron... (Score:1)
If you don't need the killer FPU, then the K6 series is a good chip. If you have a Super 7 board hangin' around, then go for it. Otherwise, a duron system is actually cheaper to build, especially per-mhz.
die size of intel + AMD is HUGE (Score:2)
AMD = 106mm^2
while a 32bit system should only take up about 2.93 mm^2 to ~10 mm^2
(this is on a 0.18 process)
no wonder transmeta reckoned that they could pull off low power
honestly where does it all go because dont tell me its logic ?
regards
john jones
Re:die size of intel + AMD is HUGE (Score:1)
Re:die size of intel + AMD is HUGE (Score:2)
Re:With Duron, now what to do? (Score:1)
Re:With Duron, now what to do? (Score:1)
Many organizations in third-world countries will use these as production systems. A couple years ago, I managed to scavenge about 12 throw-aways from various companies and sent them to my father-in-law's business in Jamaice, where they were perfectly suitable for their DOS-based accounting system.
Duron MP (Score:1)
Re:Duron MP (Score:1)
Though only the Athlon MP chips are officially supported on the Tyan boards from what i hear all the socket A chips work though your warrenty might get voided. If you want to stay with the official Athlon MP chips you might want to wait till the 5th of september when AMD unvails the new Athlon MP 1.4 Ghz chips which will drive down the prices of the other Athlon MP chips. Athlon MP is in my opinion worth it since they are based on the new Palomino or Athlon 4 core, but i'm a sucker for high speed.
Re:Why do slashdotters prefer AMD? (Score:3, Interesting)
Ok, now on to the performance.
Let's see Intel's $107 1.4GHz cpu. Nope, their P4/1.4 is $140. For starters, damn near all the benchmarks/tests/etc show that the 1.33ghz Athlon runs circles around the 1.4/1.5ghz P4's. Sounds inferior to me. Cost? I subscribe to the "bang for the buck" theory. No other vendor gives me the computing power for the amount of cash i have to set out like AMD. Not only are the cpu's cheaper, but DDR memory is much cheaper than Rambus. But, i guess Rambus is better because it's more expensive, eh?
Trailing the chip wars. Well, if i was sleeping for 2 years, yes. But the rest of us read the news, and know that AMD is ahead in the actual speed of the "budget" cpu's, as well as price, and well, performance. The Athlon's are up to par with the faster P4's. Obviously one chip will always be faster at certain aspects, intel is faster with some tests, and AMD is faster in others. Is the $500+ for a P4/1.8 really worth it to be a couple points faster than a $107 Athlon 1.4? Nah. I'd put the extra $400 into RAM, RAID, Video, Etc.
Dollar for dollar, you can't build a faster system than an AMD Athlon.
As for being Faceless, multinational company... You might as well boycot damn near everything that's not a mom & pop operation. And I like being able to use a conductive-ink pen to unlock the AMD CPU's for overclocking. I had a 1ghz running at 1.2. Not too bad.
>soapbox mode off
Re:Why do slashdotters prefer AMD? (Score:1)
Re:Why do slashdotters prefer AMD? (Score:1)
Re:Why do slashdotters prefer AMD? (Score:4, Interesting)
That said, I agree with you wholeheartedly; the x86 architecture is like the painting of Dorian Gray, and should have died long ago...but thanks to IBM's unfortunate choice in the early 1980s, the x86 has the advantages of economy of scale--enough people are buying them to make it worthwhile for several companies to flog the dead horse repeatedly. (Even they agree with us; the way they've come up with to keep it alive is to set up a Potemkin CPU, with a decent internal architecture that we, alas, can't get to.) Yes, we're geeks, and if I weren't in a situation in which I got more money for singing at Renaissance fairs than I did for stock options (true story!), I might go for an Alpha. But the hardware of the masses is inexpensive and improving steadily. (Did the Alpha's speed increase as quickly as that of x86oid CPUs?) If we geeks can take advantage of it, why shouldn't we?
Re:Why do slashdotters prefer AMD? (Score:1)
My numbering of the points isn't me being angry, it's just how I organize my thoughts
(1) regarding the 1st & 2nd paragraph: couldn't have stated it better than the other people... you must have been asleep the past couple of years. Only reason K6's didn't kick Celerons in FPU was their FPU wasn't pipelined, the Athlon line fixed that.
(2) 'exploiting mexican workers' -- really? I seriously hadn't heard that, I'd sure like to see an URL to a *trustworthy* website regarding this, else sounds like you've gone too far on blowing steam.
(3) Ok, I'll admit it, I'm an EE major who cooped at AMD for a semester, I believe in them very much. And well, while I can't give you specifics because of NDA's, frankly, I'm 100% sure AMD is ahead of Intel in the CPU market.
(4) regarding the 3rd paragraphs: that pertains to x86 in general, *NOT* AMD specifically, which is where your rant was going, try to stay on topic.
(5) Of course AMD has reaped the benefits of x86, so have several other companies... Intel, Cyrix, Rise, Transmeta, VIA, Asus, Epox, MSI, etc, etc, etc. It's got marketing power, even though it is ancient in computing terms.
(6) In case you missed AMD's move to befriend the hacker community: http://www.x86-64.org -- software version of their hammer family line, so the hacker community can make 64bit x86 Linux, FreeBSD, etc, etc.
(7) Unfortunately most large corporations are 'faceless', you get big enough and you can't be "mom and pop" to everyone. Just like presidential elections... can't expect the candidates to meet and talk to 275 million (or so) Americans individually in the course of a couple of years, not going to happen. 2 years is: 63,072,000 seconds, or 0.229 secs/person. Now consider AMD serving ~6 billion people...
(8) Oh, and all that about AMD coming out with stuff a year behind Intel... That's nonsense! AMD may have trailed in the past, but they're keeping up pretty well now, and even without supporting SSE/SSE2 yet on duron & so forth, they still manage to kick butt in most arenas, including gaming. Not to mention, Intel created x86, MMX, SSE/SSE2... AMD licensed such technologies, so were they supposed to release that stuff *BEFORE* intel? But on AMD's behalf, they are the ones creating the x86-64 (aka - AA64, see www.sandpile.org) architecture, which Transmeta wants to use, so they'll come out ahead in that arena, while Intel tries to push Itanium (*yawn*).
Re:Why do slashdotters prefer AMD? (Score:1)
The Athlon in its different iterations has proven itself to be superior to its equivalent (P-III), and (at least) equivalent to its "superior" (P-IV).
Unless you have the money to waste hundreds of dollars in RAMBUS memory and high-speed P-IV to get a very marginal difference, to say the Athlon is inferior doesn't make sense. If you do have that kind of money to waste, the x86 itself doesn't make sense.
AMD is cheaper because it cannot afford to be more expensive. Intel has brand-recognition and market domination. The traditional strategy for the player in Intel's situation is to exploit their brand and reap high profit margins, and for AMD's position it is to reduce their profit margins in a price war to gain market share. There's no mistery, and no performance rationale, around it.
b) AMD has not been catching up in advancements and extensions. Rather, it has done decently, while Intel has not done much at all since the P-III (the P-IV can be best described as "not much"). There has been nothing to "catch up" to since then.
About the only thing Intel has been able to offer is higher prices for the similar performance (RAMBUS, P-IV), motherboard recalls and lawsuits. Intel's new technology in the P-IV just doesn't seem to translate to performance.
One can only hope it's just they've been focusing on their upcoming products rather than on ye olde Pentium line... maybe then we'll see the actual results of their experiments.
c) Many slashdotters support space exploration financed by private agencies. They're not launching rockets full of tourists to Mars for more or less the same reasons they didn't put an Alpha in their boxes.
d) Yes, the x86 is a hacked , patched, overextended, underdesigned chip architecture. It feels like we've been forced to "upgrade" our Ford T's ever since they existed instead of getting new designs.
e) AMD doesn't care that much about Linux because it doesn't affect it's business enough. That's part of being a faceless multinational company with a single obligation to your shareholders.
However, they do befriend other technical communitites. Not all geeks are Linux zealots, and being technically knowlodgeable does not translate in being an card-carrying member of the Open Source community or reading Slashdot.
AMD cares about the techies that spend enough money for them to care about. Gamers, power-users, overclockers and hardware enthusiasts buy expensive processors. Linux geeks do so mostly when they belong to one of said communities.
Intel would care more about Linux because it can make them money in other markets. Same goes for IBM. Same goes for Sun. For them to act in any other way would be simply illegal (they would betray their shareholder's interests)
Note, however, that AMD has (or had as far as I know) strong ties with SuSe with respect to their SledgeHammer development efforts and their Linux SledgeHammer simulator. I think their dealings with Transmeta also had a strong Linux flavor. All because it was on their shareholder's best interest (as in it made money for AMD). It may be that the lack of publicity of AMD's Linux endeavors has much to do with the end of the Itanium/SledgeHammer hype
Re:Obligatory posting (Score:1)
What a flake.
-Freed
Re:RTFM, moron! (Score:1)
And, if you wish to pay an extra 20 bucks for a cardboard box and spiffy sticker, then good for you. Personally, I'd rather have my extra 20 dollars.
Re:Yay! (Score:1)
I have built a few AMD760 based systems, and they are just as stable as our Intel workstations. The only differences are the AMD workstations are cheaper, and run MUCH faster with our scientific applications under Linux.
A volley from the other side is soon to follow (Score:1)
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nf/20010820/tc/129
-Freed
Laptop Use (Score:2, Insightful)
I've said that ever since the Athlon was released, but as it turns out, my next computer will be Intel. Why? I'm buying a laptop. As a matter of fact, it will be my sole machine as I'm getting rid of my three desktops, so I needed something powerful with a good screen. The biggest screen with the highest resolution I could find was on a Dell Inspiron 8100 or an IBM A22P. Both of these are available with Intel only. HP doesn't make a 15" UXGA laptop, but they do make AMD laptops.
I would have gone with the AMD solution if I had the choice, but for now, my needs dictate an Intel.
Re:Laptop Use (Score:1)
I feel pathetic... (Score:2)
I thought my system was low end - now it might as well be "destined for the scrap pile"...
I have a Celeron 366 - my board can only go up to a 667. Last night I just maxed out my ram at 768 meg (hey, when you are running KDE and Netscrape, every bit counts - someday, I will make the switch to Konq, or Moz). I still have yet to upgrade my hard drive - I have only a couple of 4.3 gig drives in the box. Perhaps I'll get one of them new-fangled 40 (60? 80?) gig drives someday - though I am saving up for a house, so it will take a while.
I guess I should feel good that most of my system is made up of stuff no one else wanted - and it does what I need, which is all that matters...
It feels almost...retro (though if I really wanted that, I would break out my TRS-80 CoCo 3 with 512K of RAM, at a blazing 1 MHz (2 MHz with high speed poke!), and 160K floppy drive - yehaw!)...
Re:I feel pathetic... (Score:2)
Notice: (Score:2)
Now I see why my Hexus benchmark post on the Athlon article didn't get modded up.. it was because it was important enough to get on the benchmarks article...
Another Review (Score:1)
Intel's had a thermal diode on their processors (Score:1)
And hardware pre-fetch? Ummm hi welcome to the last year? These aren't major new innovations at all.
Oh wait.. but it's AMD and not Intel in the news.. by default it's gotta be a great-new-better-thing.
AMD Moron... (Score:1)
mp durons?? man oh man... (Score:1)
Morgan = Duron MP? (Score:1)
glad i haven't started building that duron system (Score:2)
Why buy A Duron? (Score:1)
I have two Desktop systems (both Athlon) and they have turned out great, I haven't had one problem yet and the performance has been fantastic. The reason the Duron only accounts for a small percentage of AMD's sales is because the price difference between an Athlon and Duron is down to the single digits. A few months ago Durons were a good value when the high end Athlons were over $500 dollars, but now there isn't a big enough price gap to justify purchasing a Duron over an Athlon.
Temperature Sensing (Score:1)
Re:Temperature Sensing (Score:1)
Still, no reason it can't be implemented in the chip.
SEGA (Score:1)
lemme see
thing is
hear me out first
well
BC