Linux Industry Calls It Quits 197
A lot of readers have been submitting the story on SatireWire entitled "Linux Industry Calls It Quits". The title speaks for itself.
He has not acquired a fortune; the fortune has acquired him. -- Bion
Apparently not enough... (Score:1)
Re:Hah! (Score:1)
Re:Hmm, the Linux community has one last gasp... (Score:1)
I have seen replys like that modded up to +5 Funny and -1 Offtopic/Flamebait/Troll. I would love to see some statictics on overall moderation. (Personally, I would like to see how often people mod DOWN as opposed to up, In my 3-4 year
Maybe its time to move to Kuro5hin's format? Who knows.
Re:Shit! (Score:1)
Re:Oh, grow up, people! (Score:2)
Re:Uh (Score:1)
sid=rejected [slashdot.org]
If there were still postings in there, you'd want to remember that the commentsort should be 1 to ensure that you see the newest comments first, if that isn't your default preference.
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Re:my kingdom for a mod point (Score:1)
They were all about personal freedoms, because they were trying to break away from a corrupt and tyrannical government.
What they WOULDN'T want was a select and eletist group of individuals with the most money controlling the economic system.
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Re:Oh, grow up, people! (Score:2)
. . . anything.
Open-source code is like corn (Score:2)
Corn (or insert food of your choice) grows pretty much anywhere. Even in your back yard.
Get one packet of seeds for a few cents and plant it and you can feed yourself forever.
How could anyone ever make any money from selling food? Do they think people would pay for someone just to package and transport (install) it when consumers can just grow it themselves for free?
What a ludicrous business model!
New moderation category (Score:1)
Re:Sow what? (Score:1)
You don't seem to be terribly familiar with the Free Software movement. For many people, the choice to use free software is as much a moral choice as anything else.
Personally, I use linux because it doesn't crash and I can get under the hood and tinker with the OS and all my apps. But a lot of people use it because it's free.
Check out the GNU [gnu.org] homepage for more info.
Enough already (Score:1)
Everyone keeps saying that a linux business model is new and risky and blah blah blah. But the truth is, it is the oldest business model known to man. Commodities ranging from corn to metal follows the same model. You can grow food for free, and you can dig up iron or copper ore for free. We know it's there, and if we want it, we get it (or grow it). OR we PAY someone to dig it, grow it, whatever and package it or process it into the form that is most useful for us. A linux business isn't modeled around selling free software, it's modeled around taking that raw material (the kernel), and packaging it to fit our needs. Yeah any business can go out and grab the kernel or a stripped distro for free. But what they pay for is the processing of that raw material into what fits their needs. Some of the distros will realize this, and they will succeed by wrapping and configuring the kernel into a nice neat little package that your average CIO doesn't have to think twice about. It will happen, and it will be a beautiful day.
$man microsoft
Re:Can you imagine a Beowulf cluster of... (Score:1)
One word... (Score:2)
Re:Wow (Score:1)
Stuff (Score:1)
Micro$hit can try every thing in the world, but they can't stop an operating system such as Linux. Why? Because its the USERS' CHOICE. NOT M$'S. I don't give a rat's ass what your opinion is on M$, or how I address them. I see Ms not staying in the market very well just because of the M$ vs. DOJ case. Micro$oft will be stompped, no question about it.
The consumer does not even KNOW how large Ms is, or what they are up to. Or even what the quality of their product is other than the crashing they recive daily, and the computer shops getting only windows machines to repair.
I belive it is time for the Linux community to rise up, and say 'Hey, we're not taking your shit anymore M$. We refuse to buy your products, and we will inform others of what IS TRULY out there.'
Remember the 60's and early 70's when the African American community rose up and said "We won't take this shit anymore"? That is exactly what the Linux and *BSD communitys need to do. Linux users, and *BSD users may have their differences, opinions, and are on opposite sides of a ship; BUT WE ARE IN THE SAME DAMNED BOAT.
Ive been using Linux for 4 years now, and I have NEVER given into M$. Why the hell should any of you do it now? I don't believe Linus, RMS, or Alan Cox will quit working on it just because 'VA' decides to kick the bucket. There is NO fucking way I will EVER use a M$ product after I experenced: 95, 98, Me, NT4, and NT5. So before you Micro$hit drones try to mod me down remember this. Ive used the same damned things you have, and am ALSO A MCSE, CCNA, and CNA. That means im certified to 'cut your closed-source products down'.
I will not give up god damnit.
The willingness of humanity to follow without question is the fall of them.
Re:Stuff (Score:1)
Whoa. (Score:2)
Re:Forgive me Father for I have sinned.... (Score:1)
The willingness of humanity to follow without question is the fall of them.
The industry? (Score:1)
Re:Uh (Score:1)
Oh, no. (Score:1)
Re:I guess I'll downgrade to Windows (Score:2)
On the other hand, what if ... (Score:2)
Depends. What kind of whip is the penguin holding? Riding crop? Cat o' nine tails? Buggy whip?
Also, is the penguin mounted on Bill Gates, and is Bill au naturel with the exception of a saddle, and iron bit in his mouth?
Ummm... (Score:2)
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AOL emulation mode... (Score:2)
Re:Stuff (Score:1)
In the manner of "What if this happened?".
Macintosh...... (Score:1)
cute story that was
Re:Shit! (Score:1)
Stuff2 (Score:1)
Re:Microsoft Aus. Recruiting from Linux User Group (Score:3)
Yeah, d00dz!
Let's be real bastards and flame this gal to death!
After all flames are a sure way to raise someone's opinion of the linux 'community'!
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Re:Pedant Mode On (Score:1)
Bad pedant! No penguin snack for you!
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Re:The Flip Side (Score:1)
Re:Um, I don't know where to start... (Score:1)
But ... (Score:2)
This would actually be quite funny if it weren't for the fact that the Linux crowd doesn't use FUD to the point that high level MS people do.
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Why pay for drugs when you can get Linux for free ?
Re:Stuff (Score:1)
Maybe I won't hide my certification away after all.
Re:Recent security holes? (Score:1)
Following the links reveals the "security problems with Linux" to be the BIND hole, which isn't even relevant to your desktop because you're not likely to use a desktop computer as a name server.
(As though Microsoft has any room to talk about security holes....)
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Delenda est Windoze
am I missing something? ...it was a Joke, right? (Score:1)
Believable to ignorance (Score:1)
Another satire (Score:4)
I don't get it (Score:2)
Yo guys!! It's a joke!! (Score:1)
Re:Uh (Score:1)
Strange, I always thought DRM was the Direct Rendering Manager, which allows for the Direct Rendering Infrastructure to directly access graphics hardware in a safe and efficient manner.
Re:Uh (Score:1)
Microsoft has released the source to their operating systems for quite some time. This is hardly news. Now, if they released *all* of the source, that would be a bit more impressive. Article doesn't state what was released.
The fact that Microsoft has some whoopbang encryption helper is no big deal either. It's all bullshit when you can build your own audio driver and capture everything to an (unencrypted) .wav file. Aside from the corporate fluff, there's really nothing in that article anyway.
Re:Stuff (Score:1)
The willingness of humanity to follow without question is the fall of them.
Woa hold on a sec (Score:1)
Damn... (Score:2)
Shit! (Score:4)
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underground (Score:1)
Re:Uh (Score:1)
I agree that is really a non-story but it's not without a few insightful comments.
Hell what's the group product manager with Microsoft's Windows .Net server marketing group doing at LinuxWorld anyway?
2001-02-01 23:00:00 Microsoft goes Open Source (articles,microsoft) (rejected)
Why is this on /. ? (Score:2)
Re:Sow what? (Score:2)
I can understand some of the waryness, but to think Linux doesn't need "the industry" is fallacy. The only serious progress Linux can make is with industry support. If you don't want great improvements on the desktop, towards enterprise class server solutions and "Big Iron" mainframes, or towards embedded/portable devices, then fine, Linux can continue without the industry. But for Linux to truly succeed on a large scale, it needs "the industry" to take it there.
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Jokes (Score:1)
Better be careful Microsoft, linux is gaining so much weigh against you that soon it will just have to look at you to cause you to fall, without a fight.
Re:Uh (Score:1)
And what good does that do, if they're not allowed to make changes?
FUD, FUD, FUD.
Linblows (Score:1)
~AdmrlNxn
Re:No matter, Slashdot will be active forever. (Score:1)
You got it wrong (Score:1)
Linux is unstable. Let me show you how.
Kernel changes. The fucking kernel changes make Linux unstable. IDsoftware won't write games for Linux anymore becasue of the damn kernel changes. They said screw it. At least with Windows you can install Quake3 on two totally different OS's even after updates.
I am sorry my friends but Linux may not die off, but it will never dominate. Windows is your daddy.
~AdmrlNxn
Re:Pedant Mode On (Score:2)
(And penguins don't all come from the Antarctic, but it is true none live north of the equator in nature.)
Re:think about it (Score:3)
Actually they probably could get along fine. Just that corporations can't use the propriatary software business model. (The one a certain Mr Gates invented a while back.)
Think about it: who's to say Microsoft doesn't create their own build and release it freely, along with the source, and then write a set of free libraries that works only with their distro and wuns all of windows programs.
Because they would not have control over it. Once Microsoft released it it wouldn't belong before their extra bits would work with any distribution.
Re:think about it (Score:2)
This is highly unlikely. An effect of OSS being "free speach" is that there is no supplier monopoly, thus the "market price" is very close to the real cost of supply.
The barrier here is people having had expensive software for so long that they think distributing software is intrinsically expensive.
Also downloading from the Internet isn't "free" the connection isn't "free", the time isn't "free". It's a bit like the difference between someone paying a courier to deliver a parcel and taking a company vehicle to go and pick it up themselves.
Do any of you know what Satire is? (Score:2)
TWW
Re:think about it (Score:2)
Actually you can sell GPL software at whatever price you choose, as you can with proprietary software. The difference is that the former has no monopoly on supply, so if the price is unreasonably high another supplier can undercut. With the latter there is no competition, no "market forces" on price, etc.
Um, I don't know where to start... (Score:2)
Re:Open-source code is like corn (Score:2)
Because people growing their own food isn't zero cost.
Re:I guess I'll downgrade to Windows (Score:2)
Re:Uh (Score:2)
that being said, you are correct that this is a far cry from Open Source, and still reflects the "trust us, we know best" attitude we all know so well.
Re:Uh (Score:2)
I'm sorry if I upset your little world by bringing some reality into it: not everyone here likes Linux.
Re:Microsoft redefines Open Source (Score:2)
Re:Microsoft redefines Open Source (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 01, @09:03PM EST (#127)
Link to interview with ZDNet's Mary Jo Foley [zdnet.com]
Thank you very much, I looked for it quickly, but did not find it. You did.
Again, Thank you, Anonymous Coward!
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"Contrary to popular myth, Microsoft doesn't hate everything about open source. While Microsoft (Nasdaq: MSFT) officials publicly vacillate between declaring Linux either the most hyped operating system or the biggest threat to Windows, in reality, the company has learned some powerful lessons from its open-source competitors."
etc.
The summary at the Register is fairly on the money.
PalmOS (Score:3)
I guess it's a damn good thing someone ported the PalmOS to my 1Ghz x86 box so I'm not completely out in the cold!
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Why you're wrong :) (Score:2)
Money is still to be made. GNU/Linux will survive!
The problem with capped Karma is it only goes down...
The Flip Side (Score:5)
Mind you, I support linux, etc., but this had a certain humor
It is not perfect, but it is not bad.
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SLASHDOT SAYS MICROSOFT HAS NO FUTURE, SO MICROSOFT INDUSTRY WILL STOP NOW
Despite Gains in Market Share, Microsoft Firms To Call It Quits
Redmond, Wash. -- Chastened Microsoft executives pledged to stop their "crazy dreaming" and disband their efforts Wednesday after an executive from SlashDot proclaimed Windows was doomed, and openly questioned whether the operating system should exist.
The executive, Slashdot manager Commander Taco, told a reporter for Wired "Microsoft is not leading anything, it is failing to provide an operating system," adding that, ""Hype does not sustain a business," and, "the recent security problems with Microsoft ... really call into question whether Microsoft should be used at all."
The startling reprimand from SlashDot sent shockwaves throughout the Microsoft industry, which was doubly disappointed because it had been steadily gaining share on Microsoft 's operating systems.
"When I read what Cammander Taco said, it was like I'd been blindsided, like a doctor told me I had six months to live," recalled Bill Gates, CEO of Microsoft. "We recently exceeded earnings expectations, and figured to be profitable for years to come, but it looks like we were wrong."
Other Microsoft allied firms, public and private, said they would follow Bill Gate's example and liquidate. "If we don't have Slashdot 's blessing, then what's the point?" said a shaky anonymous employee
Columnists have denounced as "absurd" allegations that Linux might be utilizing its infamous FUD tactics to spread Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt about an opponent in an effort to steal market share. "That would be deceitful," he replied, "and Linux Advocates have stated repeatedly that they do not lie or cheat or mislead."
When it was pointed out that many people lie about their honesty, Commander Taco grew defensive. "Maybe some people do cheat, but then, most people tell the truth, just like Linux developers have had to do, over and over again!"
At Microsoft community site ZDNet, which will be closing despite its remarkable growth and popularity, columnists grew introspective. "Somebody said to me that Linix was guilty of hypocrisy because it gave away it's source code for free to eliminate competition from the operating system market, but this is a totally different situation," said Anchor Desk's David Coursey. "We're talking about Microsoft , for God's sake, not a bunch of utopian, open source geeks like them."
"No, we all have to take this for what it is," he added, "the cold, hard truth. Damn their probity."
Reached at his office, Microsoft 's Bill Gates said he didn't enjoy delivering the sobering news, and prayed his opponents would be able to find peace. "Revealing that Microsoft is full of errors, shouldn't be used, and has no place in the software world was one of the hardest things I've ever had to do," confessed Gates, who appeared to be holding back tears. "I can only hope that one day, they will see I was doing this to save them years of wasted effort."
Microsoft redefines "open source" (Score:4)
Re:Uh (Score:2)
And exactly what is new and interesting about those stories? It's the same information that's been known before and debated to death on Slashdot.
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Re:Microsoft Aus. Recruiting from Linux User Group (Score:2)
No you didn't! So send flames to hollyl@microsoft.com.
Re:Hmm, the Linux community has one last gasp... (Score:3)
My firewall is here [2130706433]. And I bet it's at lease as hard to hack as yours :)
No matter, Slashdot will be active forever. (Score:4)
now what!? (Score:2)
Hmmm (Score:2)
Clearly the only way to save the linux industry will be to create a Microsoft Like linux. ML linux will be priced at $300 US for a workstation. If you plan to use it as a server it will be $1000 per conection.
You might think that it will be difficult to emulate Window's no source feature because of the GPL. This requires the source to be made available. However, fortunately, the GPL contains a loophole. It never states that the source code cannot be encrypted. Furthermore it never states that you have to give away the key if it is encrypted.
A kernel patch will be of course be required that will at random intervals kill all processes and display pretty blue and white text screen that with helpfull looking yet meaningless hex codes.
To simulate Windows security features we will have to go through all the security advisories for the last two years and carefully remove about 70 % of the patches. A few of these patches would be shipped out at six month intervals as a service pack. Every fourth service pack would be sold (with a few useless GUI changes) as new version of the OS.
This will give us the edge we need to beat Microsoft at their own game.
Re:I don't get it (Score:2)
Microsoft redefines Open Source (Score:2)
Microsoft redefines 'open source' - look, don't touch
By: Andrew Orlowski [mailto] in New York Posted: 01/02/2001 at 18:24 GMT
Remember the gag about how many Microsoft programmers it takes to change a light bulb? The answer's none: Redmond simply redefines darkness.
As a variation, try this one - how does Microsoft make Windows open source? It doesn't: it redefines free software - software that gives the user the right to change the source code, as software that doesn't give the user the right to change the source code.
In a slightly whimsical interview with ZDNet's Mary Jo Foley [zdnet.com], Microsoft's Doug Miller says the company has been opening up its Windows source code, with the intention to "make this (source code) available to many hundreds of customers" Mary Jo puts the number at less than a hundred.
But it turns out, this isn't software libre at all. End users can't modify the source code, giving the statement the air of something that was dreamt up in a hurry. Microsoft has like most other major OS vendors, provided Windows source code to academic institutions for years: taking its cue from Sun Microsystems which worked academic modifications back into the old, Berkeley based SunOS successfully. But enthusiasm has waned more recently, as it did for Sun, because Microsoft increasingly viewed the exercise as a free bug fix. And lo, here's Miller expressing the hope that Microsoft customers "who find a bug... would contact Microsoft for tweaks".
Miller admits that very few customers want to see the source code - shock! - and so presumably even fewer want to find Windows bugs and pay for the privilege twice over: once for the source code license, and secondly for the company time.
And remember that not even Microsoft's biggest OEM customers and OS rivals wanted the responsibility of picking their way through the Windows source code. That suggestion was touted around the industry last spring by the AntiTrust Department as a suggested remedy against Microsoft. They received no takers. So if HP, IBM and Compaq don't want to fix Microsoft's Windows bugs, why would Marks and Spencer?
Uh (Score:4)
Sow what? (Score:3)
I'm a true Linux user, and a follower of RMS and his insights. We don't need a Linux industry. I remember the days when this view was the mainstream, throughout the community, but ever since the 'Industry' came along, our ideals have shallowed. Look at that travesty Open Source - a retreat from our principles, not the first and not the last, caused by the 'Industry'.
I yearn for the good old days. If this article is correct, we will get them back.
You know exactly what to do-
Your kiss, your fingers on my thigh-
Re:Hmmm (Score:2)
Damn!
I guess I'll have to to a ML BSD.
Re:Stuff (Score:2)
Re:Uh (Score:2)
Hmm this is the inverse of .. (Score:2)
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Re:Yeah, that's it, keep laughing... (Score:2)
Remember the headline from the Pons and Flieshmann's cold fusion debacle?
Will The Next Headline Now Be... (Score:2)
looks like satirewire's server has called it quits (Score:2)
Hmm, the Linux community has one last gasp... (Score:5)
Damn Linux zealots, taking out the messenger with their last gasp!!!
(In case you did not notice, that is a joke. Anyone have a mirror?)
Hah! (Score:5)
In other news, Bill Gates has reportedly checked himself into a psychiatric ward for treatment of severe depression. Close friends of Gates say that he recently got himself an account on the popular Slashdot website. After several weeks of reading thousands of negative comments about his pride and joy, the Windows operating system, Gates became withdrawn and despondent. He reportedly spent hours in his Seattle mansion whimpering "Why do they hate me? I just want to make people happy. Why?"
Just before checking himself into the nearby hospital, Gate instructed his Senior Vice President of Research, Rick Rashid, to look into the "Linux" operating system. He put him in contact with Slashdot operating systems expert TuXR0X who told Gates the startling news "L1nuX r0x0rS! Winbl0ws sux0rs!".
Gates is expected to be released in three weeks.
Recent security holes? (Score:2)
Re:Uh (Score:2)
Microsoft Aus. Recruiting from Linux User Groups (Score:4)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 13:42:50 -0800
From: Holly Lindsey
To: "'XXX@luv.asn.au'"
Subject: Networking Heaven
Hello,
My name is Holly Lindsey and I am a recruiter with Microsoft in the US.
First, I want to apologize if it is inappropriate to approach your
organization. I understand lovers of Linux/Unix sometimes don't have much
love for Microsoft, but I'd like to get this information out to ALL the
serious software developers.
We will be conducting interviews in Sydney in March for the Windows Core
Networking team. I have a deep respect for users of Linux/Unix and know they
are sometimes the most hard core devoted programmers out there. We are
looking for the best and brightest to join our team to produce the next
generation of Windows. The Windows Core Networking team is responsible for
building the next generation networking for Windows workstation and server
platforms. This includes high performance network interfaces and transports,
networking services that provide security, load balancing, scalable
multicast capabilities and seamless wireless LAN experience, and
technologies to make networking self configuring, self diagnosing and self
healing. This group works with Windows Workstation (Consumer and Professional) and Server teams to ensure that these products are second to
none in networking offerings. For more information about this product see
their site at: http://microsoft.com/windows/default.asp.
If you would be interested in learning more about our opportunities in this
area, please don't hesitate to contact me directly at hollyl@microsoft.com
and check out our web site at http://www.microsoft.com/jobs/intl.
Sincerely,
Holly Lindsey
Associate Recruiter, International
Microsoft Corporation
Next thing you know (Score:2)
Re:Uh (Score:2)
Why would you expect /. to be any different from other news sources in this regard? I get a newspaper every day that has a sports page. I never read the sports section because I don't care, but I don't complain that it comes with a paper because I know that there are other people who are interested in the sports scores. I also don't complain when there's a story about sports that's on the front page instead of the sports page. I just read the headline and decide if I want to read the article or not.
Surprisingly enough, I do pretty much the same thing on Slashdot. Mr. Malda is kind enough to put the headline and first paragraph right on the front page and you can decide if or ifn't you wish to read more or discuss that topic. It certianly isn't going to hurt you to read 2-3 paragraphs a day about Linux.
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Re:Uh (Score:5)
think about it (Score:2)
Linux and corporations don't go too well together. Yes right now companies are doing great, but that's because it's still in the "fad" stage. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Linux is a bad OS; I think it's a great OS, BUT it can't last as a commodity for long.
Why?
Because it's FREE
That's the same reason most people can't some to understand how it can make any money. It goes against the essence of true capitalism, where everything is for the money and just for the money. Linux is a great OS, and written and maintained who want just that.
Which is great for the product. But as soon as the product becomes popular (even right now it's beginning that stage) and more people begin using it, companies will start creating their own distros strictly for profit, which will result in lessened quality and eventually the birth of a new "underground" OS.
Think about it: who's to say Microsoft doesn't create their own build and release it freely, along with the source, and then write a set of free libraries that works only with their distro and wuns all of windows programs. As much as the Slashdot community would try to stay away from it, you can't stop the inevitable. People would pick that up because its a free OS AND Windows-compatible. In doing so, they'd help and kill the Linux movement in the same sweep. True, they'd be ending their Windows sales but they'd also be ending the competition. And anyways, everybody knows that their major sales are from their other products, not Windows.
Ah well, that's my 2 cents...
this is like the other news I saw.. (Score:3)
Re:Uh (Score:2)
Hell, I'd be happy if they'd just categorize their stories correctly. Or give us better ways of sorting. I'm not interested in Linux news articles slashdot, but filtering out the "Linux" category does nothing because they post Linux articles in ALL categories.
How about adding perl regex filtering to slashcode. (This IS news for nerds, right?)
I could get rid of all other filtering options, and just use:
$story !~
Or if you're a Linux fan, you could do:
$story =~
=)
-thomas