Recording Artists File Brief Against RIAA

Matthew Skala writes: "The Recording Artists' Coalition, which includes such luminaries as Bruce Springsteen, Don Henley, and Sheryl Crow, is still annoyed about the "Work for Hire" legislation we heard about in August 2000. They've filed a brief in the Napster cases, urging the court not to accept the RIAA's copyright registration documents as proof of ownership, because accepting the documents would allow the music cartel to sneakily destroy artists' claims to the music they recorded. They don't take a stand on other issues we might be interested in, but it's still worth thinking about. If the artists are against the RIAA, then whom exactly does the RIAA represent? Some quotes and info are on Siliconvalley.com."

Who does the RIAA represent?

Well, the RIAA (obviously) represents the recording industry (what does the acronym stand for?). Quote from their "Who we are" page: "Our members are the record companies that comprise the most vibrant national music industry in the world."

I guess that shold answer your question - the RIAA represents the companies, not the artists. The companies should represent the artists, but they're too busy making a fast buck.

Tom.

There IS a group that SHOULD represent the artists

... the RIAA represents the companies, not the artists. The companies should represent the artists, but they're too busy making a fast buck.

No, the RIAA SHOULD NOT represent the artists. It is an organization of, by, and for the labels.

There IS an organization that SHOULD be representing the artists.

It's their UNION.

To which they've been paying dues since they first got on stage.

The Musician's union has accused of been nothing but a scam for quite some time.

Now's the artists' chance to do something about it.

Music is an elephant

RIAA holds the trunk and says music is a tricky snake that might get away if it isn't secured properly. Recording companys hold the legs and say music is a sturdy post that supports the US economy. Broadcasters hold the ears and say music is dish they use to aim what they want to play at who they want to hear it. Artists hold the teat and say music is a kind mother that puts food on their tables.

And we the fan get to hold the ass and say the whole thing just plain stinks.

RIAA Represents the Recording Industry...

...and that's it. It doesn't represent artists, or art, or cultural diversity, or musical history. It's there to protect the interests of the recording industry. No insidious evil plot here—that's simply why it was created, and that's what it does.

The emergent behavior of a system, however, can be completely different from the stated purpose. How does a concept like "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need", for example, spawn realities like gulags and purges? The same way a concept like intellectual property spawns a group of uncreative lawyers protecting work that they neither create nor understand.

It wasn't that long ago when artists were simply paid by their patrons for works they'd commissioned, and didn't expect to get rich off royalties and licensing fees. It's a relatively new phenomenon, and in the face of technology, it may turn out to be quite short-lived. Just because we've lived with it all our lives doesn't mean it's right, or good, or sustainable.

Re:RIAA Represents the Recording Industry...

At the time when artists were not so well-payed as they are today, you could be quite certain that the artist either truly loved what (s)he was doing or was exceptionally talented, thus ensuring large commisions. If you're willing to pay more, you increase the overall number of artists, but you typically also lower the standard of 'exceptional talent.' Is there an ideal level at which this rather arbitrary standard should be set? Probably. I happen to believe that at present it is far too low, since even a striking appearance and a decent voice can be mistaken for 'exceptional talent' (ala Britney Spears or 'NSync.)

This disturbingly low opinion of talent conversely indicates that musicians are being paid disturbingly well. Those of us who recognize this (most Slashdotters, it seems, and many others in intellectual circles) are unwilling to pay for what is, to us, a decided lack of talent. Unfortunately, we don't comprise a large enough portion of the market to sufficiently dent demand. So long as the media influences popular judgement of 'exceptional talent' and encourages conformity, we cannot expect this trend to change anytime soon. The recording industry will continue to churn out music of whatever quality so long as it is demanded by their market - those very people who rush to the malls every time a new CD is released, because they think that 'NSync represents 'exceptional talent' when in fact, 'NSync represents nothing more than the ability to sing lyrics written by somebody else to a tune composed by somebody else and to look pretty in the process.

In conclusion, I must say that I disagree with your assessment that the phenomenon of large royalties and licensing fees is unlikely to stand the test of time. I certainly agree that to an intellectual crowd such as Slashdot, such a change seems inevitable, but I do not foresee the drastic cultural changes necessary to affect such a collapse of the present system.

Re:RIAA Represents the Recording Industry...

> RIAA Represents the Recording Industry...
Exactly. http://riaa.com/About-Who.cfm

> It wasn't that long ago when artists ... didn't expect to get rich off royalties and licensing fees.

Most artists don't. Even relatively successful artists who thought they were going to make money sometimes find it doesn't work that way - the RIAA members make the money, the bands don't.

This article - http://www.arancidamoeba.com/mrr/problemwithmusic. html - was written in 1994, before Napster or the DCMA.
"The band is now 1/4 of the way through its contract, has made the music industry more than 3 millon dollars richer, but is in the hole $14,000 on royalties. The band members have each earned about 1/3 as much as they would working at a 7-11, but they got to ride in a tour bus for a month."

RIAA and the artists

All along the RIAA has been able to do what they did against mp3.com, Napster, and others because they claimed those services took money away from those poor, starving artists.

Most of us knew all along that they were really protecting the interests of the companies at the artists' expense; now we have firm confirmation.
Most people are willing to support their favorite artists. They buy concert tickets, help with word-of-mouth, buy and wear t-shirts, etc. It's going to be harder now for the RIAA to claim that the consumers are greedy and just want free stuff without giving the artist due compensation.

Hopefully, the government won't fall for it anymore.

Who do they represent?

They represent the people who have been exploiting musicians for close to 100 years. They represent the kind of people who would gladly pay someone 500 bucks for "Louie Louie" and make millions of dollars from it without thinking of sharing it with the songwriter. They represent the kind of people who pay radio stations millions of dollars a year to get certain songs played on the airwaves that are supposedly owned by the public. They represent the kind of people who think that paying new bands a wage that could be easily beaten by working at 7-11 is fair. They represent a way of doing business that makes used car salesmen, spammers and morticians blanch at the shamelessness of the bookkeeping and bookcooking. Hollywood, the publishing industry and the Fortune 500, would never consider for a minute some of the crooked gambits that are considered to be business as usual in the music industry.

They do not represent the artists. They do not represent the songwriters. They do not represent the audience of listeners and the people who buy the music. They do not, in any way shape or form, represent or respect American musical culture. When rock and roll came, they tried to bury it. When indy rock came, they tried to bury it and then tried to buy it off. When rap came, they tried to shut it out, and then they perverted it into violent, racial stereotyping. Now that electronica is here, they're doing their damnest to bury it under tons of catchy tunes that are a cross between dance and bubblegum. When home studios became a possibility, they outlawed the cheaper versions of the DATs to make it more expensive for those who wanted to start one - they even tried to get zoning boards in the L.A areas to shut them down for zoning violations. Now that they've waken up to the potential of computers, they are trying to cripple them with copy protection built in to the hardware that will also probably cripple an independent musician's ability to make copies of his OWN music and distribute them.

In short, they are a band of greedy, monopolistic Luddites who are attempting to strangle a new explosion in musical culture before it goes too far.

I think one of the best expressions of how many musicians feel about the industry is Joni Mitchell's "For Free", where she wistfully listens to a guy playing sax on the corner for nothing and wonders if she'll ever feel as happy and pure about her music again.

Who do they represent?

The RIAA is starting to resemble that other paragon of virtue - The Business Software Alliance.

Of course, the BSA thinks they have the authority to search private property looking for license violations.

I could never see the RIAA or the MPAA doing that.

Copyright

Copyright is an abstract concept.

It is not a technology that can be circumvented by a device anymore than you can travel in time by resetting your watch.

The RIAA represents the 'record industry', ie the record companies. The record companies are all, by law, required to look after their share holder's (financial) interests. So far, so good. They are doing exactly what they are supposed to do. This should surprise no one. However, the manner in which they look after those interests may be up for debate - what would happen if they started interpreting their mission with long-term goals in mind? All of their current tactics are short-term, stop-gap measures, designed to maximize profits right now. Viewed in a long-term perspective, those same measures are counter-productive. They will 'lose', eventually. Suing Napster and Napster-like phenomena will only work for a while. It will not stop Gnutella and it's peers (pun intended) and it will not make J. Random Listener stop downloading MP3s.

The RIAA is scared since they see a future where they don't exist. A future where the artists have all gone independent and is selling their music and other value-added products online through a number of portal sites. That business model is still not viable, but it will be because it has to be. The genie can not be put back in the bottle. Retail sales of CDs will go down. The current distribution channels will collapse. But people will still want to buy and listen to music and musicians will still want to perform.

There will be ways. We'll all find a way. But the RIAA will be roadkill.

What is "ownership" here?

It looks like what the Coalition are arguing about is not that the Recording Company own the copyright to the recorded music, but that the Artists should retain the right to be recognised as the Author, and owner of the intellectual rights to the work. This simply means they get to choose who to transfer the copyright to, should the Work appear to have much greater value than the Recording Company initially compensated for.

Basically, if "Tuesday Night Music Club" becomes a much bigger selling album due to some massive increase in demand, Sheryl Crow retains the intellectual rights to the songs, meaning she has a position to renegotiate with A&M from. A&M still own the rights to the recording of the Album, but the Artist can re-record the songs for a different company.

The RIAA's position, which the coalition is attempting to undermine, is that artists who signed work-for-hire contracts have no claim to intellectual property.

I know various instances of the work-for-hire contract from the Comics industry and, basically, the Company own every damn thing.

Unfortunately, I can't see how a bunch of artists, famous or not, can, by telling the court how-it-is-for-an-artist is going to overturn those contracts, as, while not necessarily presented in good faith by the Recording Companies, are legally binding and accepted by the Artist. Citing previous legislation which is relevant to a different contract type, is, as /. would say, Offtopic.

I wish them luck because I want to see some draconian money-grabbing bunch of RIAA protected scumbags get thier comeuppance for bad faith business practice. Alas I think this particular battle tactic is a lost cause.

Chris.

There's a reason it's not called the R*A*AA

I think they need to take the I in their name and give it a font size about twice the rest of the letters.

I still have one giant conceptual problem with their "work for hire" clause: If making a record is truely a "work for hire" then why does the artist have to pay back all the costs of creating it? It's like I'll hire you to maintain my house, and it'll only cost you $400 a month to do it. And oh yeah, bring all your tools over and when you're done, they're mine.

Digital gives the artists leverage

From the brief: Whether in good faith or bad faith, Plaintiffs [RIAA] claimed more rights than they actually own

The bargaining leverage of the RIAA is touted repeatedly in this brief, and not as a good thing. This may or may not be true, depending on the "status" of the artist sitting at the negotiating table. By the same token, most artists dont have the bankroll to do their own marketing/publicity. So they do, in effect, get a VC investor when they sign up with an RIAA member. The typical observer may not see the big difference between this relationship, and someone with a good business plan who needs capital to startup another dotcom. We all know what the typical VC wants for their cut.

What they (the artists) dont yet fully realize, is that digital format, and encryption is going to change things [slashdot.org]. This is their moment. This is ground zero for digital music, and it might be their last chance to assert their own authority over their own works in the digital realm, which will soon be (perhaps already is) the basis of all other realms. There are very few analog distribution channels left out there with any popularity.

I hope that they (artists) take the time to learn how to use crypto/digital to their own advantage. If they (RAC) wanted to, they could (say) make their own CA and start their own distribution network immedietly. Then the RIAA would simply be another purchaser (redistributor) of the digital form of the works.

blah blah

Insert all the standard slashdot oriented comments here:

music should be owned by the artists
if they didn't put out crap we'd buy their CD's
CD's are too expensive
i should be able to make a back up copy of anything i own
I bought a CD and its scratched, so i had to buy it twice
the labels are screwing the artists

I only have one thing new to bring to this: yesterday, on CNN, in between terrorism and more terrorism, on the ticker at the bottom, i saw something that said "RIAA reports loss of $5B last year, says mostly attributed to CD burning piracy". I've been all over the RIAA and CNN's websites and can find nothing about it. If you find something, please post below.

And now for some quasi-related links!
Courtney Love speaks out against major labels at [salon.com]
The RIAA discusses cost of a CD at [riaa.com]

~z

On a side note, its really hard to find news about anything "else" these days. I swear to god, with the 24 hour afghan channels, i have no idea what else is going down in my own country. And its only 5% news. Like jon stewart said, its like they report everything they know, and then they speculate to fill the time, like "what if they had a nuclear weapon, the size of a.... um... doughnut. yeah. and it was shaped like a doughnut... lets talk to the experts... get me dunkin doughnuts!"

Find other ways to make money

The Recording industry is just being a little slow here, a little stupid. They'll see eventually that they must learn to make their money in ways other than selling records, for example: corporate sponsership of concerts, selling advertising on label-owned artist web sites, stuff like that.

I have this idea: Many, if not most artists, I think I can assume, don't produce more than one albumn or so per year. Maybe the artist's record label could set up a "club" for each artist under their wing. Maybe the club costs you, the consumer, $15-$20 per year to join.

You would enjoy benefits such as:

-one free copy of any albumns produced, and discounts on additional copies (hey, you could steal it anyway, but this way the record company can make people feel like they are getting something cool, and you already paid your 15 bucks).

-the ability to get the albumn before it hits the stores (which really doesn't cost them anything extra, but again, people would feel like they were special)

-access to a hoopty-doo "members only" web site, with exclusive content, maybe interviews, interactive chats, special downloads of music and pics, that sort of crap

-discounts on, or at the very least, advance sales of, concert tickets (which would encourage club members to buy tickets, making everybody involved MORE money)

-exclusive merchandise (which again, encourages club members who may not have bought that shirt to do so if they feel like they are getting something special)

Many other industries have had to change their methods of making profits in our new economy, and the recording industry can do the same, they just need to get their heads out or their collective butts, stop whining, realize that suing people ain't a good way to make a living, and get on with the business of business, which is making lots of money by making consumers think they need some more crap.

The Grateful Dead made lots of their money not thru record sales, but thru merchandising and concerts, why can't that work for others too?

Dave Cooley

"Computers have allowed us to make more mistakes faster than any invention in the history of mankind, with the possible exceptions of handguns and tequila."

How recording companies make money

Let me give you a little snippet of how recording companies do business and then you tell me how they make money.

1. Recording label scout finds a band he likes
   
2. Scout promotes his band to execs
   
3. Execs decide they like the band and sign them to a contract
   
4. Label offers to loan the band money to record album
   
5. Band records album, usually taking quite some time, because they are new to the recording industry and they may not initially have 45-60 minutes of material
   
6. Band returns to label with finished album
   
7. Band finds that neither scout nor exec nor anyone they've ever seen before still works at label (the turnover in this industry surpasses even the tech sector for some reason)
   
8. No new exec is interested in publishing the band's album
   
9. Band tries to take album to another label, perhaps where the original scout or exec now works, but is unable to because they've signed a contract
   
10. Band still owes recording loan to label
    
11. Band languishes in debt because they cannot do anything with their created music nor start over without breach of contract
    
12. Label starts sending bill collectors for their loan payments

Maybe I should ask you to tell me how it could be possible for the label to fail to make money.

The Artist Formerly Screwed as Prince

Actually, the story of what happened here is worse than you think. What happened is that, after he gained popularity, he decided to leave the recording contract he was in because it was draconian. However, the label pursued (and won) the rights to the stage name "Prince", so he couldn't record under that name for anyone else. Hence, he changed his name to a symbol (to get around legal issues as much as any other reason), wrote the word "slave" on his forehead and finished out his contract. When it was done he started his own label and became The Artist Formerly Known as The Artist Formerly Known as Prince.

The worst part about this is that when he said he wanted out of his contract, his label actually decided that the best course of action was to take away his right to his own stage name, which I found to serve no purpose except spite. I must admit that after hearing this I have a lot more respect for him than when I thought he did it just to be eccentric (which I found out was just the way the recording industry spun it to keep them from looking bad).

Virg

for artist by artists

The R.I.A.A was established to protect artists from other artist's. It was a sorta of safety net to protect the lyrics from being used by other artists in derivative works. The R.I.A.A was also a database of song lyrics, that could easily determine if your song was infringing on 'prior art'. It was a service for artists by artists, at least originally. The R.I.A.A sold itself to small upstart music labels, typically the really cool small labels that had limited funds to pay for lawyers. It was good for everyone since infringement issues were not the norm back then. You must realize that the big issue was artists taking the lyrics and making derivative works (aka covers songs, etc...)

Enter onto the scean digital samplers. Once Roland, EMU, Ensoniq, and other started selling good digital samplers for a reasonable price... A whole slew of copyright protection changed...as taking samples (aka perfect clones) of the actual original work was made supper easy. Its true that the artists could simply use the traditional analog technology to do the same, but with the emergence of electronic genre (aka disco, new wave, techno, industrial) the people doing the recordings were exposed to a new art... the manipulation of samples. Other factors are at play here too, but it was in this general time span things were starting to change (80's & 90's)

This new era brought with it an increase of non-lyric infringements, and the R.I.A.A database was not so effective. By this time the R.I.A.A had become a sort of insurance company, who would not only serve as a watch dog group for song writers, but as an entity who purpose was to protect the investments of the record labels, who were acting as middle men for the artists.

It is true that the record labels would typically purchase the rights to the songs from the artists in deals that were typically penned by the recording companies. In this way the R.I.A.A shifted from being an organization that protected the artist, to an organization that protected the rights of the record companies (who assumed the rights of the artists).

This is what got us in our present condition. The record companies think they are the artists... and in fact when a record company exec wants a new hit single... it is not an issue of recruiting a rising star, its about creating the next new hit.... by means of record-for-hire.... hence bands like Nsync, and the likes (no offence Nsync).

You see... the record companies don't have the time to wait for real artists to come up with a hit single... the creative process simple doesn't fit into the cash-revenue cycle. This cycle is out-pacing the creative juices of real artists...

So it is true that the Recording companies are paying for the production of new songs, paying for the lyrics used in those songs, and in general own the entire creative process in many situations, except those coming from the smaller recording companies, who typically represent the real artists.... However... this doesn't stop the recording companies from looking at them all the same. If they can own the entire recording process of their artist, why now have the same ownership rights of the art they acquire via the smaller record companies.

The issues can be quite sticky sometimes. The most common thing I see is a lack of understanding on how far reaching the recording company contracts really are. These things are in favor of the record company, and in turn the R.I.A.A must protect the record companies if they are going to feed the wallets of their highly paid lawyers.

The solution you ask... the best idea would be for the artists to create a coalition that they can directly interface with, and use to protect their lyrics, and their recordings directly. They also need a direct distribution system that pays them, and not the record companies. Online distribution would be good, but what ever that system might be would have to make use of encryption to protect the rights on the artists, and the artist would hold the encryption keys used to decipher the music, and your purchase of the medium would involve an exchange of keys. Obviously this is way too much work for an artist, who cannot be expected to be a crypto expert. Again, recording companies would step in and manage this for the artist... however.. They would probably want the right to the music. But what the artist don't seem to understand is they can still maintain the copy rights on the music while deferring the distribution rights to a 3rd party. It comes clear when you differentiate distribution rights from copyrights..... For example... I give you the right to be the only company to sell my song, but I still own my songs... you just have my permission to duplicate and distribute my works... and only on a limited basis at that.

From the persepective of mp3/ogg trading geeks... its seem to skip our the minds that the R.I.A.A once stood for something good. Despite the open nature of our software community (aka BSD license, and the GNU) the artist are in it for the plesure of writing songs first, and making money second. THe R.I.A.A and the FSF has something in common here.... they protect the rights, and recognition of the original artists. If you steal the lyrics of my songs, and don't at least give me blulb somewhere in the distro... I would sue you.... The FSF does the exact same.... Think about it.

Issue we are interested in...

One of the points the brief brings out is the fact that the Constitution gives power to Congress to grant copyrights to authors. From the brief:

The House Subcommittee on the Courts and Intellectual Property held a hearing on the issues raised by the amendment. Recording artist Sheryl Crow testified on behalf of featured recording artists that the amendment effected a dramatic change in the relevant balance of power between recording artists and the recording companies, to the detriment of artists' right to termination under the Copyright Act. Professor Marci Hamilton testified that the "sound recordings" amendment was a substantive change in work-for-hire law that violated the requirement in the Copyright Clause, Art. I, sec. 8, cl. 8, to vest copyright in "authors." Statement of Professor Marci A. Hamilton, available at http://www.house.gov/judiciary/hami0525.html.

The RIAA is not the author! That is what this whole brief is about!

It is in the interest of all of us creative types to have it reinforced that the US Constitution requires that copyright go to authors and not to some faceless corporate behemoth.

fwiw

The RIAA represents...

...profit-hungry recording companies. The artists are, for the most part, getting ripped off by RIAA companies, but some of what they do doesn't sound all that out of the ordinary to me.

First, the bad: RIAA companies that contract musicians under the "works for hire" type contracts really try hard to screw musicians out of ownership of their songs. Heck, even HBO claimed that they owned Tenacious D's songs that were made for the one and only season of their cable television show. To me, that sounds like the argument many academic institutions have used to claim patents/credit for innovations: "If you hadn't been using our resources, you wouldn't have come up with the result."

Now, the "not out of the ordinary". I remember reading Courtney Love's rather well-written tirade about the behavior of RIAA companies and they way they (the companies) spend money in advance on recording, promotion, touring, etc and expect to be paid back. I don't really see that as a problem. The recording company is, in effect, an investor in an artist. The company will spend the money on all the aforementioned things in an effort to sell a product and make a profit. Sure, I wish people weren't greedy and they didn't expect to make so much of a profit, but humans will be humans. Love explains that after all the bills are paid back, many artists don't make much money. Well, Courtney, most working people in the world don't have much money left after the bills are all paid, this applies perhaps even more so to those in the arts. Contracted musicians aren't a special social class who deserve to earn a 6-figure-plus salary. I'd be willing to bet that the figures are more or less proportionate. Artists who sell a lot earn a lot. Artists who sell relatively little get paid relatively little.

Just as an example, one of my best friends was actually a performing musician in Nashville for a while. He wrote a song that was recorded on an album by a contracted, professional pop/rock group. The album, consequently, went platinum. Just royalties on that song along made my friend just over $50k that year. I would hope the recording artists receive much more compensation than that, given live performances, t-shirt sales, etc.

So, yeah, I've heard it all before and I agree with most of it. The RIAA is evil, tramples on personal property rights, is clueless when it comes to protecting intellectual property, bought lawmakers, persecuted the Christians, sold crack to kids, broke my lawnmower, yada, yada , yada. They are a business and like any other business, they are struggling to protect their paradigm. Some of the ways they do it are just normal for business. Too many, though, are just brutal.

Bruce Schneier on the DMCA

Here's what renowned cryptography guru Bruce Schneier has to say about the DMCA (emphasis mine):
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[...] Dmitry Sklyarov (age 27) landed in jail because the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) makes publishing critical research on this technology a more serious offense than publishing nuclear weapon designs. Just how did the United States of America end up with a law protecting the entertainment industry at the expense of freedom of speech? And how did the entertainment industry end up with stronger laws protecting their content than the information on constructing nuclear weapons?
[...]
Welcome to 21st century America, where the profits of the major record labels, movie houses, and publishing companies are more important than First Amendment rights or nuclear weapons information. (The more you look at the problem, the weirder it becomes. "The New York Times" has the legal right to publish secret government documents, unless they are protected by a digital copy-protection scheme, in which case publishing them would lead to an FBI raid.)
[...]
The entertainment industry is behaving the same way. The DMCA is unconstitutional, but they don't care. Until it's ruled unconstitutional, they've won. The charges against Sklyarov won't stick, but the chilling effect it will have on other researchers will. If they can scare software companies, ISPs, programmers, and T-shirt manufacturers (Hollywood has sued CopyLeft for publishing the DeCSS code on a T-shirt) into submission, they've won for another day. The entertainment industry is fighting a holding action, and fear, uncertainty, and doubt are their weapons. We need to win this, and we need to win it quickly. Please support those who are fighting these cases in the courts: the EFF and others. Every day we don't win is a loss.

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Read the full text here [counterpane.com].

Raymond

their "clarification of current law" strategy

Remember when the RIAA got the amendment passed the first time, turning all recordings into works for hire? At the time, they said several times that they were just trying to clarify current law. And, of course, we all thought, "who are you trying to fool?". And Sheryl Crow thought that, and a ton of other artists thought that, and Congress thought that, and repealed the stupid thing (if you've forgotten any of this, it's nicely summarized in part 1, interest of amicus curiae).

But now we see that the RIAA was serious-- they are going to press for this being interpreted as the way the law works currently. However, it seems that their own greedy contracts may have come back to bite them in the ass. As it says in the brief, "in order to qualify as a work for hire... a work created by an independent contractor must... have been created at the commissioning party's 'instance and expense'" (loosely quoted, read it yourself if you want more context). And this is where it gets interesting-- the label doesn't pay for the album to get made. They advance money to the artist, who has to pay it all back. So it's made at the artist's expense. And if the artist's footing the bill, it's not a work for hire under current law, or any common sense definition.

So why is the RIAA trying this again? They probably thought they could slip it through in the morass of legal proceedings, no one would notice, then they could point at it in future cases. Unless they have some ruling or law up their sleeve that the Coalition didn't know about, I'm guessing the judge will ask them to amend the submissions. But IANAL; maybe their brief is a lot less convincing than it looks to me.

Re:Who they represent ?

Just a small point or two...

The artists may be lucky to get a dollar per record, however: They get fronted money to record - cheapest you're looking at is around 70 thousand pounds in this country for an entire album start to finish, they get free PR plus the contacts to have their music distributed to DJ's, played on the radio, put in the shops. They get Tours organised for them (which virtually always lose money, by the way) plus living money etc etc. So the reason they get so little from the actual record sale is because the record company will have fronted god knows how much money from them and needs to get it back.

Don't kid yourself that the recording companies make all the money from a 15 quid CD either. Most of it (over 50 percent in some cases) goes to the retailer.

Before you rubbish me, I've been there and done it, so I know.

I'm not coming out in support of record companies either, I think Pete Waterman is the human incarnation of Satan in particular, but please try to make the story a little more accurate. I'd love to see the artists get more money. I'd love to steal CD's from a shop and send the artist five quid for every one I take, but I'm allergic to prison.

Be realistic in what you wish for... Life without record companies is possible for bands, but a hell of a lot harder.

Now you can flame me...