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Microsoft Will Stream Ads To Grocery Carts 484

dptalia writes "Later this year, at ShopRite supermarkets in the eastern US, Microsoft will be rolling out computerized shopping carts. These carts will allow people with a ShopRite card to enter their shopping list on the ShopRite site from home, and then pull up the list on their grocery cart when they swipe their card. The new carts will also display advertisements depending on where in the supermarket the cart is, using RFID technology to help locate it."
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Microsoft Will Stream Ads To Grocery Carts

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  • Fucking spammers (Score:5, Interesting)

    by taustin ( 171655 ) on Tuesday January 15, 2008 @12:06AM (#22046028) Homepage Journal
    If these fucking things make the slightest bit of noise, I swear I'm going to light it on fire, and start growing my own food.
  • oh great (Score:5, Interesting)

    by ILuvRamen ( 1026668 ) on Tuesday January 15, 2008 @12:08AM (#22046042)
    So now when I put stump remover and sugar together on my list I gaurantee I'm gonna be put on some sort of terrorist list (cuz you can make a bomb out of that). Not to mention any other privacy concerns. I don't even want someone to so much as see my list before I get there. They'd have to password it. Then people forget their passwords. Or someone rigs it to record your password. Then you can't log in to your cart cuz the system is down and you have no idea what you were supposed to buy. I can only imagine how many rings of hell it would be to have Walmart employees support that high tech of a system.
  • It could be good! (Score:3, Interesting)

    by cbreaker ( 561297 ) on Tuesday January 15, 2008 @12:10AM (#22046078) Journal
    I for one welcome the opportunity to rip one off of a shopping cart in the parking lot and seeing what's inside!
  • by Seumas ( 6865 ) on Tuesday January 15, 2008 @12:12AM (#22046086)
    It's 2008 and people are still going to the store? Do people have so much disposable time and so little else they could do with many extra hours a month that they still go shopping in an actual store? Do they look forward so much to driving around, dealing with parking, shopping carts, lines, people, their bratty kids, aisles, noise and lugging things around?

    It's 2008 and the big innovation is a shopping car that spams you while it directs you around a bunch of aisles essentially the same way we did in 1945, but with more targeted marking and shelving placement than ever? Really? That's the best we can do?

    Maybe it's a generational thing, but I have not shopped in a grocery store in almost my entire adult life. The last time I went into a grocery store was 1999. I get my groceries delivered to me with the click of a button. I decide what time I want my groceries, they come to my door and carry them into my kitchen. I spend almost zero time involved in groceries. While this is probably only available in big cities like the bay area, Portland, Denver and others, this is something that should be both available *and* used everywhere by almost every one. You don't still go out and butcher or milk your own cow. You don't go out and pick your own oranges. So why wheel a cart around like some sort of trained monkey in a store full of fluorescent lights and elevator music and snotty whining kids grabbing things off the shelves and throwing tantrums in the middle of the aisle?

    Hell, I haven't bought shoes in person or tools or entertainment in person in years, either. Except for rare instances involving things like my car that can't be otherwise addressed, I have reduced actual physical shopping to something I no longer "have" to do. For years, the only shopping I've had to do is that which I *choose* to do. Things that make it a luxury. Places and things that I can enjoy going to and shopping for (such as home entertainment stuff). I farm the crap shopping off to the wonderful services that Albertsons, Safeway, Kingsoopers and others now offer (and before that, Webvan, etc).

    So that there's a new little attachment to a shopping car that more efficiently delivers shit to your eyeballs while supposedly easing up your shopping situation -- IN 2008 -- is the least impressive thing I've heard this year.
  • A better idea (Score:5, Interesting)

    by springbox ( 853816 ) on Tuesday January 15, 2008 @12:17AM (#22046148)
    Enter list online and have the cart calculate the shortest distance to each item in the store based on its current location
  • by Gyga ( 873992 ) on Tuesday January 15, 2008 @12:19AM (#22046170)
    So it is more evolved to be lazy? I prefer to get up walk around the store talk with my friends that work there. Guess in a smaller town you get to meet people outside of your sphere of laze.

    I'm sure one good wack into the side of an asile will disable these damn things. Or dropping a 50lb bag of chicken feed on it will do.

    "butcher or milk your own cow" I get eggs from my chickens, does that count?
  • by ZorbaTHut ( 126196 ) on Tuesday January 15, 2008 @12:22AM (#22046210) Homepage
    And it works, you fall for it too. How else do you know it was a SHELL gas station? If you were imune to it and not a sheep you would just tank at any gas station. (but without any advertising whatsoever, how would you know it is a gas station?) You obviously saw Shells adversting, yes even the sign that says Shell is part of advertising.

    I did the same thing that the GP did, and the only reason I know it was a Shell station is because I explicitly checked once the ads started so I'd know which gas stations to avoid in the future. I wouldn't have known it was Shell if they hadn't made me care.
  • by springbox ( 853816 ) on Tuesday January 15, 2008 @12:26AM (#22046232)
    Shoes and clothes are something that almost always require me to go to a store. Not only is the experience of browsing fun but it's hard to judge how things will fit without physically trying them on. Online shopping is not going to replace things like this for the most part.
  • Re:A better idea (Score:3, Interesting)

    by nguy ( 1207026 ) on Tuesday January 15, 2008 @12:31AM (#22046284)
    More likely, it will compute the longest path it can get away with without pissing you off so much that you just leave, making sure to pass by all the items you're most likely to buy.
  • by Captain Arr Morgan ( 958312 ) on Tuesday January 15, 2008 @12:37AM (#22046340) Homepage
    So long I have waited to check 'grocery list' off my 'things I need a pencil for' list.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 15, 2008 @12:38AM (#22046348)
    What do you want, a frikkin medal.

    I will not buy clothes/shoes online because i like to try it on first, and examine the quality.

    I dont have a problem driving 3mins to the supermarket, and getting it there, i can easily compare fat/sugar content with competing brands, if they are out of stock of a certain brand i can quickly and easily select something different. I can examine the meats to get the best cuts that i want.

    Yesterday evening, i walked around 4km (return) to the shops and back just to get some Kantong sweet and sour sauce to cook with dinner (and it was a nice day and wanted a walk), it took me forever to find the stuff once i was there though. So I think it would be awesome if the new system also told you where abouts each item on the list is in the store (at least what isle or better what side and what what half of the isle its located), also tallying up how much the list should cost and alert to any specials that are on (eg 2 for 1) would be great as well.

    Then id have to wait 5 years for that technology to make it to Aus.

    Just because you dont like to leave the house don't assume no one prefers to shop in person.
  • Theft (Score:5, Interesting)

    by lullabud ( 679893 ) on Tuesday January 15, 2008 @12:40AM (#22046368)
    These shopping carts are just asking to be stolen. It's widespread enough as it is that simple shopping carts go missing. Carts with gadgets? Hell yeah. Just wait until somebody finds a way to make them into a digital picture frame, then they'll all be missing.
  • by dlevitan ( 132062 ) on Tuesday January 15, 2008 @12:48AM (#22046464)

    Maybe it's a generational thing, but I have not shopped in a grocery store in almost my entire adult life. The last time I went into a grocery store was 1999. I get my groceries delivered to me with the click of a button. I decide what time I want my groceries, they come to my door and carry them into my kitchen. I spend almost zero time involved in groceries. While this is probably only available in big cities like the bay area, Portland, Denver and others, this is something that should be both available *and* used everywhere by almost every one. You don't still go out and butcher or milk your own cow. You don't go out and pick your own oranges. So why wheel a cart around like some sort of trained monkey in a store full of fluorescent lights and elevator music and snotty whining kids grabbing things off the shelves and throwing tantrums in the middle of the aisle?
    Then don't shop in traditional supermarkets. Yeah, I agree, they're annoying. But I very rarely go there. I do almost all of my shopping at Trader Joe's, the farmers markets, Whole Foods, and Costco. I doubt you can get stuff delivered from any those stores. Why do I actually take the time to shop at these places? First, quality products. I cook a lot, and I like cooking quality food. For that, you need fresh, quality ingredients. I'm not going to trust someone else to pick out the fruits, vegetables, and meats I use - I doubt they really care about the quality of the food. Second, cheap prices (for the most part). Trader Joe's has amazing products that cost very little. Costco forces you to buy in bulk, but they have very good products that are very cheap compared to most stores. In fact, oftentimes people say that some of the best foods can be found there. The farmers markets in my area (Los Angeles) have amazing deals on many fresh fruits and vegetables. I can buy 25 pounds of oranges for $10. Instead of drinking orange juice from the store, I now make fresh squeezed orange juice every day for almost the same price (just slightly higher than the sale prices of good bottled orange juice). And Whole Foods has a lot of really nice stuff that I can get at any of the other places and, while expensive, is of very high quality.

    In short, if you care about what you eat, you need to find it yourself. You might not need to butcher the cow or catch the fish, but you need to be able to look at what's for same and decide if its good quality or not. I doubt what you get is any good.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 15, 2008 @12:50AM (#22046488)
    You seem to be under the impression that your view of this particular situation is the better one. Why is that? Why not just let the people who enjoy it, enjoy it. You'd do wise to take the Libertarian high road - don't assume just because it's *your* opinion of the matter that it's automatically the superior one.
  • Oh, gawd... (Score:4, Interesting)

    by beadfulthings ( 975812 ) on Tuesday January 15, 2008 @12:54AM (#22046524) Journal
    Have you not had adverts blaring at you while taking care of business in a public washroom? Or is that form of torture reserved for the female of the species, since we're confined to stalls while we're in there? Of course, the possibilities for wide-screen above a row of urinals do come to mind, so they'll get you eventually if they haven't already. First time I saw this was in the ladies' at a beachfront bar--actually a pretty respectable establishment--where they blared commercials for waterfront properties. That was a couple of years ago. Most recent sighting was a couple of months ago at a favorite Chinese restaurant in a city 200 miles inland. It gives new meaning to the term "captive audience."
  • by plover ( 150551 ) * on Tuesday January 15, 2008 @02:13AM (#22047062) Homepage Journal
    Oh, it's not nearly that simple. Sure, the counter candy (along with the other profitable stuff near the cash registers) is there for impulse purchasers, but there is a much bigger science to laying out a store than just "make people spend time", and a much more complex set of rules.

    A lot depends on the store: some stores strongly believe the Piggly Wiggly model that says you make more money by putting "necessities" (diapers, toothpaste, whatever) at the back so that you'll impulse buy your way to and from the goods you need. Other choices are constrained by logistics and architecture: milk, deli and frozen goods are frequently kept at the back simply because the coolers have to be mounted with their service doors facing the loading docks. Other stores have different goals, and lay out their floor plans accordingly.

    Most stores work long and hard with layouts. There's always a set of compromises to be made, and frequently original assumptions about traffic and shopping patterns turn out to be either wrong, or customers change their behaviors over time.

    For example, some Apple stores used to have the Genius Bar located along the middle of the side wall, with the cash registers along the far back wall, and the "family room" for the kids somewhere in between the two. It looked great from the front door, and on paper. But placing the geniuses there led to large crowds of non-geniuses in the middle of the store waiting for the geniuses, blocking traffic to and from the cash registers at the rear. Worse, people were leaving the registers with large, awkward boxes tromping past piles of squirrelly children and negotiating the crowds. Their newer store layouts feature the genius bar along the back wall, and they moved the receipt printers/registers nearer to the front doors. Employees (who are theoretically more careful than random customers) now carry the clumsy boxes from the back rooms carefully past the piles of children to the waiting customers at the front of the stores, who now only have to pay and then leave.

  • Re:Fucking spammers (Score:2, Interesting)

    by RetroGeek ( 206522 ) on Tuesday January 15, 2008 @02:52AM (#22047270) Homepage

    People who purchased this product also bought..


    Sure laugh, but Walmart (who probably has the biggest database in the world) found that men who bought diapers also sometimes bought beer (on their way home from the office). So they moved the beer section next to the diapers. Sales of beer skyrocketed.

    -----
    Walmart tracks EVERYTHING about every purchase. The date, time, weather, what you purchased, the relative locations of all those items (top shelf, bottom shelf, etc). A few years ago they had a multi-terra byte database. It must be in the teen peta bytes by now. Nothing about any location of any item is random. It is all planned out. I remember watching a show where they used time-lapsed cameras to see how most people walked through the store, then adjusted item locations so that the typical shopper would always walk by the items they were pushing that day.

  • by Fred_A ( 10934 ) <fred@f r e d s h o m e . o rg> on Tuesday January 15, 2008 @05:17AM (#22047944) Homepage

    What's not cost effective about it? I could spend the time and trouble going to Safeway or Albertsons or Kingsoopers and buying groceries or I could save all that time and effort and pay Safeway or Albertsons or Kingsoopers to bring the SAME groceries TO ME.
    I don't know how it works in the US, but here (Paris), I actually *walk* to one of the supermarkets that's 500m away, then shop, then give them my address and they deliver the stuff (free past a certain amount, and I shop for groceries only once every 3 weeks or so) 1 or two hours later at a pre agreed time.

    Takes about 40 minutes of my time. And I get to go out and get various other things in the neighbourhood while I'm at it. I looked at shopping online but it wasn't worth the hassle (takes longer unless you always pick the same thing and ends up being more expensive).

    If there were animated ads on the carts I'd shop elsewhere though.
  • by daem0n1x ( 748565 ) on Tuesday January 15, 2008 @06:13AM (#22048260)
    I have always hated how they fill bars with huge TV screens, sometimes several of them, showing MTV or VH1 or something. People go to bars to have a drink, chat and dance. Not to watch TV. But when I point this out, people say I'm crazy. I quit complaining because some people started looking at me as if I'm weird. What's the point of going out for a good time with other people and having to put up with distracting TV screens all around? The same in restaurants and cafés, just turn that shit off!
  • Re:obligatory (Score:3, Interesting)

    by rtb61 ( 674572 ) on Tuesday January 15, 2008 @07:14AM (#22048472) Homepage
    This application of technology will be really interesting. Will they allow the customer to wheel those expensive trolleys out to the carpark where kids can get a hold of them. When they lend you a trolley for your use how will they define the extent of your use and your contractual obligations with regards to the use of the trolley and it's return.

    If your are clumsy placing items in the cart and break the screen have your bought the shopping trolley. On top of all that, with all those wireless trolleys in the supermarket, it will be radiating a lot of rf energy into the customers and more disturbingly into young children and where will the locate the antenna with regards to child seats in some shopping trolleys.

    Of course you also have the hassle of building battery charging facilities into the shopping cart storage facility which now has to be completely under cover and temperature controlled to prevent condensation issues at the charging point. Yeah, it all sounds like a great idea in some marketdroids head, and M$ as always will make all sorts of vacuous promises, but when it comes to the actual implementation that's when all the real problems start.

  • by SomeoneGotMyNick ( 200685 ) on Tuesday January 15, 2008 @09:21AM (#22049138) Journal

    Gasoline and groceries are commodities that you can buy wherever you like, with or without the BS. The point is that people _choose_ to buy them from places like I mentioned because they PREFER to be bombarded with advertising and promos.
    I just usually say I left my shopper's card at home. The cashier simply scans a "store card" and I get the benefits. However, I do lose the ten cents per gallon gas discount I get for every $50 spent. It's not hard for a family of four to generate $500 of grocery spending in a short time and get $1 off per gallon of gas on their next fill-up.

    As for advertising, the grocery story sends all sorts of stuff to "resident" in this area, anyway. The only difference would be I get my name on the To: address.
  • by seven of five ( 578993 ) on Tuesday January 15, 2008 @09:44AM (#22049300)
    How long do you think it will be before these things get hacked into playing gore and porn on Aunt Nellie's shopping cart? And if that happens, how long do you think the stores will keep the system?

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