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The Future of ReiserFS 459

lisah writes "With the announcement of Hans Reiser's arrest this week, many people have been wondering what this will mean for his company, Namesys, and the future of his filesystem work. According to a report at Linux.com, employees at Namesys are circling their wagons and plan to continue working on the project 'in the short term.' One employee admits, 'we are rather shaken and stressed at the moment, although I cannot say we didn't see it coming.'"
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The Future of ReiserFS

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  • As expected (Score:0, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 12, 2006 @08:17AM (#16406435)
    This is as expected. Just because Hans probably murdered his wife, this is no reason for all the other devs to stop work on the system. It's not a one-man job, after all.
  • Re:As expected (Score:5, Insightful)

    by MartinG ( 52587 ) on Thursday October 12, 2006 @08:23AM (#16406479) Homepage Journal
    Hans probably murdered his wife

    Not sure if I'm feeding a troll here, but the man has BEEN ARRESTED! That is all!

    If you have any evidence that he killed his wife, be sure to let us know. (and let the police know of course)
  • by MartinG ( 52587 ) on Thursday October 12, 2006 @08:25AM (#16406499) Homepage Journal
    The way I read it, they saw an arrest coming.
  • Re:Not Surprising? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 12, 2006 @08:34AM (#16406587)
    Ever considered that this investigation has been going on for well over a month?

    If he was the only real suspect they had, and they had no reason to assume that he hadn't done it, why wouldn't they arrest him? "We saw it coming" refers to him being arrested, not to him (possibly) killing his wife.
  • Re:Not Surprising? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by oyenstikker ( 536040 ) <[gro.enrybs] [ta] [todhsals]> on Thursday October 12, 2006 @08:34AM (#16406591) Homepage Journal
    After the disappearence of his wife, they saw the arrest coming. (If your estranged wife disappeared you would be the number one suspect.) He did not say that he saw him killing his wife coming, or that he even thinks he did it.
  • Re:Not Surprising? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by rjstanford ( 69735 ) on Thursday October 12, 2006 @08:39AM (#16406631) Homepage Journal
    He might have been rich as Bill Gates, and he still should have been a suspect.

    Oh, absolutely. But most suspects don't get arrested. Suspects against whom the prosecution feels that it has enough evidence to make a strong case get arrested. Being an estranged spouse isn't usually, in and of itself, damning evidence in a murder trial. Prosecutors don't generally play the "let's just arrest everyone we can think of and see which case will stick," method.
  • by NekoXP ( 67564 ) on Thursday October 12, 2006 @08:42AM (#16406647) Homepage
    "I do not think that just being arrested will affect anything so long as Hans is not actually convicted," says Oleg Drokin, the former release manager at Namesys. "If he is convicted, that might cause problems for Namesys [because] it is operated solely by Hans."

    I don't understand. If the guy who runs the company goes away usually it's fairly easy process (albeit longwinded and boring) to get a new general manager, CEO or whatever. Namesys isn't a public company, so they could name their Thanksgiving turkey the CEO. The problem might be, if Hans acted as accountant etc. and did some funny number crunching that is going to drive them into the dirt; of course that would add to Hans' problems, too, if they were ever revealed :D

    Is Hans really that important to ReiserFS? Isn't this the whole beauty of GPL code, that there are thousands of people out there who can pick his work up without even involving him, Namesys etc., and continue the 'legacy'?
  • Re:As expected (Score:4, Insightful)

    by DagdaMor ( 518567 ) on Thursday October 12, 2006 @08:52AM (#16406741)
    All of which is Circumstantial Evidence, and a bit flimsy to prosecute on when no one has found a body yet.
  • Re:Fabulous quote (Score:3, Insightful)

    by jimicus ( 737525 ) on Thursday October 12, 2006 @08:53AM (#16406755)
    Hans' wife has been missing for some time.

    In these cases, spouses and ex-spouses are always the first suspects.

    Regardless of whether or not Hans has done anything wrong (and the public have no evidence either way), it was pretty much a foregone conclusion that unless convincing evidence to the contrary turned up, he'd be arrested.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 12, 2006 @09:14AM (#16407019)
    The alternate hypothosis is they have no idea what happened and are hoping for a confession.

    The circumstances surrounding her disappearance are so strange that I wouldn't assume anything.
  • by $1uck ( 710826 ) on Thursday October 12, 2006 @09:18AM (#16407059)
    Doesn't this highlight another positive for OS? No seriously, so the lead developer is arrested/killed/in a coma. This means the project *is* not dead, someone somewhere can pick up where he/she left off. If it was closed source, and the lead developer was more than just a cog in a large corporation, who could/would pick up the slack? The source code could conceivably being floating in legal limbo until the affairs are settled. Or am I just being myopic?
  • by Rumagent ( 86695 ) on Thursday October 12, 2006 @09:20AM (#16407089)
    this means the police have evidence that he *did* kill his wife


    Or think they do. Or hope they do. Or just don't care if they do. The police is not exactly an organization which is known for its infallibility.
  • by revery ( 456516 ) <charles@[ ]2.net ['cac' in gap]> on Thursday October 12, 2006 @09:24AM (#16407143) Homepage
    Is Hans really that important to ReiserFS? Isn't this the whole beauty of GPL code, that there are thousands of people out there who can pick his work up without even involving him, Namesys etc., and continue the 'legacy'?

    I think Hans might very well be just that important to ReiserFS. I've worked at companies where if a certain person died or decided that they didn't want to work there any longer, it would be very hard to replace them.

    There are some tasks wherein the set of people who are both qualified and interested is quite small. This might well be true of the ReiserFS internals.

  • Re:As expected (Score:4, Insightful)

    by A beautiful mind ( 821714 ) on Thursday October 12, 2006 @09:30AM (#16407219)
    Investigators have also recovered books on how police investigate homicides, which were obtained by Hans Reiser a few days after his wife's Sept. 3 disappearance, the sources said.
    I don't know a lot about the other stuff, but this seems to be on HIS side, rather than against him. He acted like I would act, like a geek would act imo in this respect. To put it into geek terminology, he read the HOWTO after he discovered a bug. This would rather point into the direction he didn't knowingly create the bug in the first place.

    My point is, if you'd want to kill your wife, you'd obtain these books BEFORE you kill your wife, study them thoroughly for a long time and then despose them. Hans Reiser is not stupid. Of course it is all possible that if she were murdered by him, it was an impulse murder. Who knows. We have no evidence and facts.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 12, 2006 @09:30AM (#16407221)
    You sure about that? The US government is big enough now (*) to detain innocent people indefinitely without due process. As we speak, there are hundreds (thousands?) of people sitting in jail who haven't been formally charged with anything. I don't know the first thing about this particular case, but it seems pretty clear to me that due process is gone.

    (*) This isn't the result of terrorism or any one particular event; it is simply the inevitable consequence of government expanding its power year after year. (The US government of today dwarfs the US government of 100 years ago, both in revenue and power over the people, but only a fraction of that growth was achieved pre-Bush or post-9/11.
  • Re:As expected (Score:5, Insightful)

    by KutuluWare ( 791333 ) <kutulu@@@kutulu...org> on Thursday October 12, 2006 @09:39AM (#16407343) Homepage
    You've been watching way too much CSI if you think this evidence isn't enough to take a case to trial. Not every murder case ends with the forensic investigators finding a tiny shard of a unique knife mande only once in history by the accused's next door neighbor which is metallically linked to the handle of a knife found in a dumpster with the accused fingerprints on it nearby some ashes that have remnants of the victims DNS embedded in the one tooth that survived the burning process etcetcetcetc.

    In many situations, the blood in his car *by itself* would be enough for a DA to decide to try the case. People often place way too much import on the idea of "circumstantial evidence"... it's still evidence. Given enough of it, a good prosecutor can employ a strategy of diminishing probabilities: one single piece of evidence may only narrow down the potential suspect list to a few thousand... but each additional piece of evidence narrows the field further and further until the number of people which fit *all* of the evidence is increasingly small, and the likelihood that someone other than the accused is guilty becomes very small.

    As for not having a body, that is certainly a problem when attempting to prove murder (it's one more reasonable doubt the defense can introduce).. but again, the presence of blood, especially if there turns out to be a large quantity of it, has been used many times in the past to infer murder in the absence of a body.

    --K
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    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Thursday October 12, 2006 @09:55AM (#16407569)
    Comment removed based on user account deletion
  • by stuntpope ( 19736 ) on Thursday October 12, 2006 @09:59AM (#16407635)
    I guess the pharmaceutical company reference tied it to the movie remake, I'm sure young slashdotters wouldn't get the 1960's TV show "The Fugitive" [imdb.com] reference.
  • by anotherone ( 132088 ) on Thursday October 12, 2006 @09:59AM (#16407637)
    Wow, he sounds like a total nutjob.
  • Dear Slashdot (Score:5, Insightful)

    by scotch ( 102596 ) on Thursday October 12, 2006 @10:10AM (#16407771) Homepage
    Please do not follow this story. The last thing we need it periodic stories over the next year as the trial progress with fighting and uninformed commentary from the peanut gallery on criminal matters. It will be like having our our own little scott peterson case, which I'm sure we can all agree, would be a big fucking waste of time for everyone.

    Thank you.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 12, 2006 @10:26AM (#16408025)
    <rant>
    For. Crying. Out. Loud.
    Will you wake up and grasp the distinction between enemy combatants sincerely interested in attacking a foreign country, and someone who is either a citizen or resident alien (I presume) of the US?
    The relentless nanny-state onslaught has produced such a bunch of slack-jawed granola-heads as to be an utter embarrassment.
    Go back to college, listen to your Steve Miller Band, and keep smoking that stuff until you become intellectually indistinguishable from that plant.
    </rant>
  • by NDPTAL85 ( 260093 ) on Thursday October 12, 2006 @10:32AM (#16408131)
    Here in the US we just think its good public policy to have the police declare WHY they have charged someone with a crime BEFORE the trial instead of AFTERWARDS so that if anyone knows anything they can come forward DURING the trial to reveal the truth. And make no mistake, US police do withhold certain details from the public so they can verify that certain people who "confess" aren't just making it up. But from the way you describe the UK criminal justice system the police can just arrest anyone they want and not have to declare why until the person has already been convicted. Is my interpretation correct because if it is that sounds like a dictatorship, not a democracy.
  • by Rob Kaper ( 5960 ) on Thursday October 12, 2006 @10:50AM (#16408389) Homepage
    The US government of today dwarfs the US government of 100 years ago, both in revenue and power over the people, but only a fraction of that growth was achieved pre-Bush or post-9/11.

    So the ballpart was achieved in few months during Bush that were prior to 9/11? I take it you meant post-Bush (in which case I agree) or pre-9/11 (in which case I don't).. which is it?
  • by A nonymous Coward ( 7548 ) * on Thursday October 12, 2006 @11:32AM (#16409011)
    distinction between enemy combatants sincerely interested in attacking a foreign country, and someone who is either a citizen or resident alien

    Would that the Bushies could! There have been, I believe, two US citizens in Guantanomo, and Bush has made it crystal clear that he thinks he has the power to send US citizens there without being hindered by the courts or Congress or even common decency. Independent reports suggest that most of the Guantanomo prisoners are innocents picked up either because they happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, or because someone with a personal grudge dropped anonymous hints. Such is to be expected when the process of law is denied.

    Besides which, the only logical rationale for keeping the prisoners there, out of touch with any decent legal system to protect the innocent, is to torture information out of them or to keep them out of circulation. Torture has been shown to produce unreliable info; the only other reason is to exact revenge, which is not a particularly noble goal, certainly not mine, and a sorry goal for any government. As for keeping them out of circulation, a standard legal process would serve just as well.

    Guantanomo has no purpose other than to make the Bushies look like they are doing something useful.
  • by RAMMS+EIN ( 578166 ) on Thursday October 12, 2006 @11:39AM (#16409149) Homepage Journal
    Please do not follow this story. The last thing we need is periodic comments over the next year as the trial progresses from readers who aren't interested in the matter and feel a need to bother other readers with that sentiment. It is not like anyone is forced to read these threads, which I'm sure we can all agree, would be a big fucking waste of time for everyone.

    Thank you.
  • by fumblebruschi ( 831320 ) on Thursday October 12, 2006 @12:18PM (#16409753)
    Working intensly on one single thing (esp. software) just fucks your brain eventually. I don't agree. I think you're confusing cause and effect; that is, I think some people are drawn to occupations or hobbies where they focus intensely on one subject, because that's what appeals to them. Your partner, kids, family and friends should be the biggest kick in your life, not some stupid pile of fucking code. Why? I see this sentiment a lot on /., and as far as I'm concerned statements like this are just another way of saying "Everyone should do what *I* think is right instead of following their own inclinations."
  • by drinkypoo ( 153816 ) <drink@hyperlogos.org> on Thursday October 12, 2006 @02:25PM (#16411543) Homepage Journal
    Will you wake up and grasp the distinction between enemy combatants sincerely interested in attacking a foreign country, and someone who is either a citizen or resident alien (I presume) of the US?

    There is no fucking difference.

    Both citizens and non-citizens, even enemy combatants, are human beings.

    The Bill of Rights is supposed to be a partial list of rights which are supposed to be accorded to all humans.

    If you are willing to compromise your principles in certain situations, you don't have principles.

  • by Omnifarious ( 11933 ) * <eric-slash@omnif ... g minus language> on Thursday October 12, 2006 @02:40PM (#16411771) Homepage Journal

    Wow. Either Hans is much nuttier than I thought (I thought he was just a bit of an egotist) or he managed to get into business with someone who was really awful. That story is on the edge of nutty, but it's just plausible enough to not be completely dismissable.

    "Death Yoga" is a little out there though. I've seen references to the idea, but it seems a bit much for someone to demand that a business partner commit suicide in a particularly weird and unusual (and possibly impossible) way. Claiming it seems paranoid and delusional.

    Anyway, the employees could just quit Namesys and form their own company that does the same thing. I'm sure that the people who made business arrangements with Namesys would understand the situation.

  • by killjoe ( 766577 ) on Thursday October 12, 2006 @03:58PM (#16412871)
    "While I didn't vote for Bush, I'm fairly conservative, against terrorism, agree many of the people there are scum."

    The thing that bothers me most is that people are willing to accept that "many" of the people there are scum. How do you know? Honestly how does anybody know unless they are trusting the president 100%. He is the only arbiter, he points to a picture or a list of people, utters the phrase "bad men" and it's a done deal. No courts, no trials, no evidence, no nothing. The president says so and therefore it must be so.
  • Re:As expected (Score:2, Insightful)

    by neuro88 ( 674248 ) on Thursday October 12, 2006 @04:27PM (#16413283)
    Unless it was a crime of passion, and he was hoping to cover it up after the fact.

  • by Just Some Guy ( 3352 ) <kirk+slashdot@strauser.com> on Thursday October 12, 2006 @05:29PM (#16414201) Homepage Journal

    What a jackass! What were they supposed to do - arrest him before she was officially declared missing? And although I have no information about the supposed crime, wouldn't an estranged husband almost automatically be the most likely suspect in her disappearance?

    I don't have anything against Reiser. However, while this has to be incredibly frustrating for him (assuming he truly is innocent), I don't see what police course of action would have been more justified.

  • by SanityInAnarchy ( 655584 ) <ninja@slaphack.com> on Thursday October 12, 2006 @06:11PM (#16414847) Journal
    Just because he may work on a project of personal interest to you doesn't mean that he makes a "productive contribution to society".

    Don't people in prison generally have at least some free time? Time to keep a journal, or write a book? Or read a book?

    What about letters?

    ReiserFS isn't as valuable as a human life. If it were, how many free murders would Linus be allowed to commit?

    This is not the point.

    Contrary to popular belief, no healthy programmer spends 100% of their free time coding. They go out for beer, or for a walk. They do things online other than work on their own project.

    Give Hans a computer and an Internet connection. Filter the hell out of that connection -- email only, and only on the reiserfs lists. Web restricted to distro updates and kernel.org. Is that really so different than giving him a pen and some paper and letting him write a book?

    It certainly won't mean he isn't punished. And punishment isn't always the real point of prison -- if he gets life, it means he won't be able to kill again. Internet connections won't change that.

  • by ScrewMaster ( 602015 ) on Thursday October 12, 2006 @06:35PM (#16415163)
    I keep wondering when they'll start arguing that providing "moral support" is sufficient, and at what point (if any) the American people will decide that they've had enough, and whether or not it'll be soon enough.

    People generally ignore potential consequences that can only theoretically happen to them. Look how many people continue to smoke ("yes yes, I know it causes cancer but my Uncle Dudley smoked a thousand packs a day and lived to be a hundred and seventy so it won't happen to me") when they absolutely do know better. Human beings are, at the core, not rational animals. We are rationalizing creatures who, except in rare cases, require substantial training to become rational ones.

    We are remarkably efficient at finding reasons to do what we want to do even when we know we shouldn't, and are even better at justifying to ourselves doing absolutely nothing when there's every reason to believe that we should do something. I can't see such a fundamental defect in human nature correcting itself in the near future, so I'm not sanguine about our ever deciding that we've had enough.

    And if we do ... we, exactly, will we be able to do about it?
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 12, 2006 @09:48PM (#16417559)
    You really can't make determinations like that from a bunch of media soundbites: media tend to focus on the nuttiest statements anybody makes. "Alleges" can mean anything from "cynical side-remark" to "foaming at the mouth rage".

It's a naive, domestic operating system without any breeding, but I think you'll be amused by its presumption.

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