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Computer Voodoo? 686

jbeaupre asks: "A corollary to 'Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic' is that sometimes users have to resort to what I call 'computer voodoo.' You don't know why it works, you barely care how it works, but you find yourself doing the strangest things because it just seems to work. I'm talking about things like: smacking a PC every 5 seconds for an hour to keep it from stalling on a hard drive reformat (with nary a problem after the reformat); or figuring out the only way to get a PC partially fried by lightning to recognize an ethernet card, after booting into Windows, is to start the computer by yanking the card out and shoving it back in (thereby starting the boot processes). What wacky stuff have you done that makes no obvious sense, but just works?"
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  • by CastrTroy ( 595695 ) on Friday August 18, 2006 @08:26PM (#15938141)
    Not sure how it works, but I've saved 2 or 3 hard drives that reported tons of bad sectors with cat /dev/urandom > /dev/hdb and then cat /dev/zero > /dev/hdb and repeating that a couple times. Seems to alleviate all the problems. The drives wouldn't format, and all the data would get corrupted, but after doing that trick, they haven't had a problem (with the longest running drive being 2 years after the fix and still going).
  • hard drive (Score:5, Interesting)

    by tempfile ( 528337 ) on Friday August 18, 2006 @08:26PM (#15938144)
    I once had a hard drive that wouldn't spin up if the computer had been off a few days. The only way was turning it by 90 degrees every time before booting the computer.
  • Hard Drive Massage (Score:5, Interesting)

    by mashade ( 912744 ) <mshade@msh[ ].org ['ade' in gap]> on Friday August 18, 2006 @08:27PM (#15938149) Homepage

    In my repair monkey days, my shop used to handle data recovery jobs of all kinds. The problems ranged from minor filesystem corruption or unbootable drives to physical damage - heads, and even a bullet through a hard drive (No, I wasn't able to get anything off that one).

    We had a variety of methods for dealing with the physically damaged drives that had suffered a head crash, but my boss had a technique he called the 'massage'. A clicking or noisy drive would be rotated around its various axes until the BIOS would recognize it on boot. Sometimes the clicking would stop and he would sit there holding the drive in that position or prop it up to keep it there.

    Another method we used was to freeze the drives for a period of 15 minutes to 6 or 8 hours. Sometimes this allowed enough contraction to let the tracks line up again, and we'd get as much data as we could with the drive cold. Once, we even froze a drive between two ziploc bags of water with IDE and power cables hanging out the edge to keep the drive colder longer. It worked!

    -- Shade

  • 7-second rule (Score:3, Interesting)

    by WilliamSChips ( 793741 ) <full...infinity@@@gmail...com> on Friday August 18, 2006 @08:28PM (#15938161) Journal
    Whenever I boot from Windows to Linux, I have to turn the power strip off for seven seconds for the network card to work.
  • Re:hit the monitor (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 18, 2006 @08:31PM (#15938171)
    me i always HIT the MONITOR because i know that EVERYTHING (is not) THERE but i'm felling better after that (and not worrying about my harddrive)
  • TV Card (Score:3, Interesting)

    by The Mysterious X ( 903554 ) <adam@omega.org.uk> on Friday August 18, 2006 @08:37PM (#15938196)
    My old TV card. No matter what cables you used, if the aerial lead wasn't bent at a 90 degree angle about 2 inches away from the computer, it wouldn't pick up a signal. In the end I just blutacked it down; I assume there was a loose connection inside, and the twist put out just enough force to make the connection.
  • Wireless (Score:5, Interesting)

    by stefanlasiewski ( 63134 ) <(moc.ocnafets) (ta) (todhsals)> on Friday August 18, 2006 @08:39PM (#15938205) Homepage Journal
    I bought a bunch of Dlink DWL-520 wireless cards from Tigerdirect (refurbished, mail in rebate, etc. etc). These cards came to $20 apiece, which was a pretty good deal in 2004. You probably know this card -- it's called the 'DWL-520', but could actually be one of 6 different cards, each containing a different wireless chip--- each requiring it's own driver. A piece of crap-- but I wasn't willing to spend more money on a wireless network justyet.

    However, after I installed the card, Windows 2000 would crash with the following BSOD:


            DRIVER_IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL

            *** STOP: 0X000000D1 (0X0191A400,0X00000002,0X00000001,0XF828B908)

            *** NETR33X.SYS - Address F828B908 base at F827B000, Datestamp 3ecdaf93


    Annoying as heck-- somewhat expected from a cheap network card.

    So one day I was wat home downloading Fedora with bittorrent--- my DSL connection was maxxed out. There was too much interference on the line, so I hit the little 'channel' button to switch to a different channel.

    As soon as I hit the button on the phone -- *boom*, the computer threw up the Blue Screen of Death. ANd sure enough, I reboot, hit the button on the phone-- and *boom* -- Computer crashes again.

    I have since replaced all of the D-Link cards with cards from other manufacturers.
  • by miyako ( 632510 ) <miyako@g[ ]l.com ['mai' in gap]> on Friday August 18, 2006 @08:46PM (#15938229) Homepage Journal
    In general, with my main desktop machine and main laptop, if something funky is happening I will simply replace the part or parts in question to ensure a smoothly working machine, but I've had some interesting things with some old hardware I kept around for no real reason.
    I used to have an old pentium (133 I think) that ran well, except that the CD drive would only actually recognize a disk if you tilted the computer at about a 20 to 30 degree angle when the disk was inserted. I never did figure out why this fixed it, luckily I didn't need to use the cd drive very often.
    I also used to have a cable modem that would drop the connection if you so much as blew on the power cord. I always just figgured that was just some flaky hardware, and eventually got the cable company to replace it. Another really aggrevating hardware problem that I never figgured out was an old Sony DVD drive that I had. When you opened the tray, it would about 1 to 2 seconds later automatically close the tray, but when you opened it again it would stay open for about 10 seconds, just long enough to remove or insert a disk.
    I think everyone runs into a situation where there is some voodoo involved in solving a problem, it becomes problematic when people stop carying about having any answers, and just care about getting something working.
  • Re:Current computer (Score:2, Interesting)

    by BabaChazz ( 917957 ) on Friday August 18, 2006 @08:50PM (#15938243)
    Yeah... many video cards will report "not present" if there is no monitor attached. There is a pin on the VGA connector that says "monochrome" and another that says "color", and if neither of them is connected, the card doesn't know whether to report mono or color and reports "not present", and you get the long... short short short beep rather than a POST.
  • by miyako ( 632510 ) <miyako@g[ ]l.com ['mai' in gap]> on Friday August 18, 2006 @08:55PM (#15938258) Homepage Journal
    Actually, some people laugh at that, but I have the same thing happen. I remember a couple of years ago, I convinced a friend of mine to try switching from Mandrake to Suse on his laptop. Chatting with him on the phone, he complained that booting up the system was taking 15+ minutes. I drove over there to see if I could possibly diagnose the problem (he had been using linux for a while, but was never really much for sysadmining). I walk over, he boots up the machine, it boots up very quickly and runs flawlessly. Tried a couple of more times, same quick bootup. After I went home, he tried rebooting and ran into the same problem. We were both dumbfounded for quite a while, until I finally worked out that it was because when he had been using it, he was sitting in his living room, and it had hung waiting for eth0 to time out, but when I came over to look at it he put it in the docking station and plugged in the ethernet cable.
    I've seen other situations like this. Many times, it's because the user is doing something they know is stupid/they shouldn't be doing, and with a techie looking over their shoulder they don't do it.
  • Re:Current computer (Score:2, Interesting)

    by The Mysterious X ( 903554 ) <adam@omega.org.uk> on Friday August 18, 2006 @08:57PM (#15938268)
    DVI slots only :)

    Once you've turned the monitor on once, its fine. You can then disconnect it, carry it to the other side of the room, unplug it, whatever.

    It sounds crazy (and my CS degree tells me it must be something else) but the mere act of turning on the monitor seems to cure it.

  • More Magic? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by MerlynEmrys67 ( 583469 ) on Friday August 18, 2006 @09:01PM (#15938291)
    I always liked this story More Magic [retrologic.com]. A wonderful story about a switch that wasn't connected to anything, but when you switched it off of the More Magic position into the Magic position, the computer crashed.

    Got to love old school hacking

  • Always remember... (Score:4, Interesting)

    by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) ( 613870 ) on Friday August 18, 2006 @09:02PM (#15938293) Journal
    ...you gotta type 'sync' three times before it works.
  • Re:7-second rule (Score:3, Interesting)

    by littlerubberfeet ( 453565 ) on Friday August 18, 2006 @09:04PM (#15938298)
    I guess the closest reason would be that you have to wait for something to be reset in the card, and that seven seconds is the xRC value for a capacitor on the card to discharge and allow the voltage across couple transistors on some chip to drop below .7 (or .3?) volts.

    Or maybe just voodoo...
  • Smacking the monitor (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 18, 2006 @09:07PM (#15938304)
    For all of you who were dissing on the monitor smackers saying it'll never fix anything, it will, of course, fix monitor problems. My old CRT monitor one day began this annoying high pitched squeal. Turning it off and back on did nothing, but a good HARD smack on the side stopped it for a couple weeks before the treatment had to be repeated.
  • by gillbates ( 106458 ) on Friday August 18, 2006 @09:27PM (#15938372) Homepage Journal

    That wouldn't boot up unless freon spray was applied to the area just under the processor. (Okay, it wasn't real freon, but the CFC-free stuff...)

    It seems that it had a few "cold soldered" joints on an IC or two, and freezing it brought them back into contact with each other.

  • by innosent ( 618233 ) <jmdorityNO@SPAMgmail.com> on Friday August 18, 2006 @09:47PM (#15938423)
    True, and throwing out equipment fried by lightning doesn't hurt, either. Seriously, what kind of questions are these? Hardware doesn't work? Isolate it and replace it. Other than freezing an old hard drive to free up bearings to get data off before you throw it out, it's not worth the aggravation.

    Of course, as far as real Computer/Equipment Voodoo is concerned, there is always the Heisenbug [wikipedia.org]. Just had a mechanical version of this today, the Bayer tech has spent 3 days on a machine to isolate a pump problem. To see the pumps, you have to open a panel either on the side or the front of the instrument. The past 2 days, he was working on it through the front, and the problem didn't occur. Today, after being called back because it happened again, he opened the side panel to watch it, and accidentally bumped the front panel while he was looking at it. As soon as the front panel closed, the problem occurred. It turns out that a zip-tie that holds some tubing from the pumps together was caught on the front panel, and when the panel door closed, it pulled on the zip-tie, which pulled on and pinched the tubing, causing a pressure sensor to throw a fault.
  • by The MAZZTer ( 911996 ) <.moc.liamg. .ta. .tzzagem.> on Friday August 18, 2006 @10:11PM (#15938491) Homepage
    Just today I turned my computer on after leaving it on hibernate for a week. The "thaw" as I guess it could be called, failed (the computer hung before showing anything useful) so I rebooted. Windows starts up fine and then tells me my hardware has changed and I need to reactivate Windows. Except my hardware hadn't changed since the last boot (over the course of owning this computer, admittedly it had changed a lot). Oh wait, I can't activate over the Internet anymore, I've installed it too many times on the same machine, I have to call Microsoft, speak a 42 digit number slowly into the phone, get put on hold, be told I spoke the number wrong, put on hold again, read part of the number to a person, and then type another 42 digit number read to me over the phone. Then my computer will work again.
  • by drachenstern ( 160456 ) <drachenstern@gmail.com> on Friday August 18, 2006 @10:23PM (#15938514) Journal
    How many programmers know the deep details about the electronics that make up the processor?
    If I could find a way to get you modded up past 5 I so would. This has been my whole philosophy ever since I have tried to educate those around me, and I'm just a grad level student.
  • by alshithead ( 981606 ) * on Friday August 18, 2006 @10:29PM (#15938529)
    I had a Lexmark all in one printer, scanner, blah, blah, blah that wouldn't work after we moved. The PC just didn't recognize that it was attached. The copy function worked fine but it didn't depend on the PC for that function. Uninstall and reinstall, troubleshoot USB cable, remove USB hub, all of the normal troubleshooting steps. Finally, buried in Lexmark's website, was the suggestion to have the PC power and printer power be supplied from different outlets. Not different circuits but different outlets. Craziest frickin' thing I've ever heard and even crazier was that it worked! If anyone has a good explanation for why that would work, I would love to know.

    As for being on topic...I can guarantee that shit will break everytime I try to take a long weekend or vaction. The corollary is that everytime I'm on site for a "just in case", I end up not being needed.
  • by OldSoldier ( 168889 ) on Friday August 18, 2006 @10:53PM (#15938608)
    This reminds me of one of my favorite quotes/jokes from the Tom Baker era of Dr Who.

    He stumbled across an old spacecraft on a very distant planet. As he sat down at the control console he remarked, "this looks like Earth technology". As he began to power it up it slowly came to life then started to fade back out. He kicked the bottom of the console and the rocket resumed slowly coming back to life. The Doctor remarked "Definitely Earth technology".

    I just LOVE the implication that this sort of "kick it to keep it working" is a characteristic aspect of our technology that (in the world of this SF TV show at least) sets us apart from other species.

  • by rts008 ( 812749 ) on Friday August 18, 2006 @11:22PM (#15938690) Journal
    Same here! If it was not for this one phenomenon, I would totally give up on any form of mysticism.

    As it is now, my fiance (I know- invoking mythical creatures on /.- but really true!) claims my "girlfriend" (my PC) is inhabited by karmically unsound demons. It works fine for me, but she has all kinds of weird issues with it. And she does have some real strange crap happen, yet on her PC, none of these issues crop up- even tho' the two PC's share similar config's and app's. WTF!?

    I guess my best bet is to convert the family's PC's to all Linux. Right now all three user PC's are WinXP SP2, with a fourth (Cent OS) as server. My "possesed biatch" is a tri-boot PC (Win98se for older games that won't run in XP, Win XpSP2, and Fedora Core 5- which is used 65-75% of the time).

    I will get it straightened out when I can afford to take the network and all 4 PC's with me to Japan and have a Shinto preist perform an exorcism on the equipment. Don't know what else to do at this stage, but at least most of the problems are entertaining (but a hassle) instead of debilitating. LOL!... as a side note- I used to work with a guy who no matter what disaster would happen, he would just laugh. It would really bug me until I finally asked him why he could laugh at 4-6 hours "wasted" work- his reply: "well, I can either laugh about it, or cry about it, and laughing feels better and keeps me in a better frame of mind to deal with the problem, so I laugh about it when I can."

    Good advice, tho' not easy sometimes. (this was when working in a heavy truck garage just out of the Army, thus the 4-6 hr.'s wasted work above- some jobs can get you in MUCH deeper than half or 2/3 a shift!!!)

  • by Valdrax ( 32670 ) on Friday August 18, 2006 @11:27PM (#15938708)
    I used to have a Performa 5200 [lowendmac.com] back when I started college, and if you're not familiar with the machine, it's arguably the worst Macintosh ever made. [lowendmac.com] Ever. The only thing it excelled at was displaying grainy TV on the TV tuner card you could get for it.

    Read that second link for all the gory details of why the follow scenario works, and you'll shudder.

    I used to note in college that when doing particularly fast FTP transfers that saturated by 10-Base-T card that the machine would often lock up within a minute of starting the transfer. For months, I fiddled around and noticed that if I was actively working that this didn't happen. Eventually, I found the article I mentioned and realized that if I kept moving the mouse constantly, the machine wouldn't get in whatever weird state locked up the machine and I could finish my transfers. That's right -- to run FTP (or any other sustained, saturated transfer), I had to sit there moving the mouse in circles through the entire transfer.

    Essentially, the "Left 32" bus described in the article was shared by the 16-bit Apple Desktop Bus (for mouse and keyboard) and the 16-bit networking card (as well as audio and the 8-bit SCSI controller). So long as I kept interrupting the bus with input from ADB, the networking card was unable to flood the controller that had to make sense of all the different bit-widths and clock speeds between the various busses hanging off of it, and the machine wouldn't lock up.

    Now how's that for some serious computer voodoo?
  • Re:hitting it (Score:5, Interesting)

    by FatAlb3rt ( 533682 ) on Friday August 18, 2006 @11:28PM (#15938710) Homepage
    Nostalgia - blowing on the Nintendo game cartridge.
  • Re:My analysis? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by cgenman ( 325138 ) on Friday August 18, 2006 @11:35PM (#15938731) Homepage
    The first time I assembled this computer, it didn't work. I unplugged all of the devices one at a time. Still didn't work. Set it to a minimum configuration that should work. Didn't work. I disassembled the computer entirely, to test it. The parts all worked fine in a different computer. I plugged everything back together, and it didn't work.

    Long story short... there is one screw in the motherboard that if I tighten it down... the motherboard doesn't work. You can't believe how long it took to find one screw in a sea of possible errors.

    Also, I used to have to put my PS1 up on frozen peas for it to work. It didn't like other frozen vegetables, just peas.

  • Re:My analysis? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by AJWM ( 19027 ) on Friday August 18, 2006 @11:39PM (#15938739) Homepage
    Why in God's holy name does Windows fail to boot one time, and then boot successfully the second time?

    Hah. I had something close to that one. A friend's Windows XP Home system. Boot it up, runs fine for about 30 seconds, then locks up hard. Reboot it, works fine for as long as you like. Next time you boot it up, locks up after about 30 seconds. Reboot, works fine. Lather, rinse, repeat.

    I booted it up off a Knoppix disc and ran a bunch of hardware tests -- nothing. And no problems with locking up either.

    Back to Windows -- same thing.

    I eventually realized the pattern: after a clean Windows shutdown, it would lock up 30 seconds after the next boot. After a dirty shutdown (e.g. power cycle or reset button), it would boot up fine. Obviously the Windows shutdown was leaving something in a funky state for next time. Beats me what.

    I told my friend she had the choice of doing a re-install and keeping fingers crossed, or always shutting it down with the power switch, or moving to Linux. I don't recall what she did beyond passing the box on to her kids because she'd already got a new one for herself.
  • by RESPAWN ( 153636 ) <respawn_76&hotmail,com> on Friday August 18, 2006 @11:44PM (#15938754) Journal
    I actually had just the opposite happen with one of my friends. He had given me the CDs for the Mankrake 10.0 Community distribution. I start the install, get it to the copy files stage, and then go to work. On the way home from work, I stopped by his place to say hi and we eventually end up going back to my place so I can finish installing Mandrake. After the install, everything was working except for the sound card. At first I just chalked it up to plain bad luck as I always seem to have issues with installing sound cards or finding proper drivers for the crappy onboard sound cards. The only difference this time is that this is a Sound Blaster Live! card -- probably one of the most ubiquitous cards produced and installed in the late 90's, early 00's.

    Long story short: we spend all night troubleshooting the PC and even rebooting back in to Windows to verify that the card itself is still working there. The card was working perfectly in Windows and it had worked perfectly under the SuSE distro that was overwritten when I installed Mandrake. After working on it for a while we decide to call it a night, and I turn the machine off and he goes home. About 5 minutes after he's gone, I decide to boot the computer again. Lo and behold! Sound works! I call him this and tell him this. He comes over again the next day, and of course the sound card won't work when I try to show it to him.

    I don't know if we ever figured out what was wrong. I think Tim and I just decided that he must have had some kind of unusual biorhythm or something. :)
  • by sakusha ( 441986 ) on Friday August 18, 2006 @11:55PM (#15938805)
    The real mystery is why you did a binary search. Why not replace one at a time with known-good chips?

    Well, the short answer is, because that was Apple's official service procedure.

    The binary search method is theoretically the fastest way to identify the bad chip. This is a basic comp sci search algorithm, if I remember the it right, with 24 chips, you can identify the bad chip in 4 swaps. Replacing chips one at a time is, on average, the worst way to find one bad chip. Of course you could get lucky and it was the first chip you replace, row 1 socket 1. How often is that ever going to happen?
    Also consider that the RAM diagnostic program could run for hours to run before a chip faulted, so swapping chips was not always the most time-consuming part of the test procedure. I sometimes used to speed up the process by gently heating up the motherboard with a hair dryer, on the theory that intermittent chips were more prone to failure when they were hot, but this was not usually effective.
    Also consider how expensive RAM chips were back around 1980. We were NOT going to just replace every chip until we got the bad one, we only replaced known bad chips, if we pulled out chips, once they were ruled out as not the cause of the problem, they went back into the customer's machine. Otherwise we would have ended up with drawers full of suspect chips, and customers would have had to pay for every single chip we replaced. Labor was much cheaper than parts, back in those days.
    Now I'll tell you what REALLY hurt.. when I had to service a machine that had TWO bad chips.. but fortunately, that rarely happened. They almost always went bad one at a time.
  • by wurp ( 51446 ) on Friday August 18, 2006 @11:57PM (#15938812) Homepage
    My dad works for the Arkansas Washington County Road Service, and he is something of a computer nut, so he would 'recover' the computers they were throwing out. I was pretty profoundly poor and also a computer nut, so I would take some of the stuff off his hands.

    Anyway, I used to have three or four MFM hard drives in various states of disrepair. (I think they were 40 *meg* hard drives, but I only had a controller to control up to 20 meg, to give an idea how old this hardware was.) One by one they died, until finally only one was left. When it gave up the ghost, it would spin up, then immediately spin back down. I dug into it and found some connections I could short across while it was spinning up and then break the connection, and it would keep running. I was too poor to want to go spend $1 on a pushbutton, so I just had two wires hanging out of the front of the computer that I held together while booting the PC. I ran it that way for over a year...

    A non-computer story, but more interesting one, is of an old Ford Escort I used to have. The starter went out on it, and, again, I was poor, so I dug into it. I finally figured out that the relay was kicking out too far and shorting out against the housing, so I duct taped a kitchen sponge to the inside of the relay housing and put it back together. I never had a problem with the starter again for the 2 years I had the car.

    That same car later had the fuel pump go out. When it went out, I asked my stepdad if I should check to make sure the pump was out instead of a wiring or power problem, and he said nah, it's the pump. So I bought a replacement - it didn't help. So, I hunted around under the hood until I found some leads that were hot when the key was on, but not when it was off, and I used ties to secure an extension cord from the leads to the fuel pump. The car ran fine.

    That was in the summer. When winter came along, one day I needed to defrost the front window as I was driving down the road. I flipped the vent from dash to defrost, and the engine stopped running. (I was doing 50 mph down the road at the time.) I flipped it back to vent, and the engine started right back up again.

    Somehow I had found a wire that only gave power when the vent was not on defrost. I never fixed it, just kept the inside warm enough that it didn't frost over.

    Now I'm a software developer and not poor. I virtually never fix (or jerry rig) anything myself, other than software and the occasional computer hardware issue.
  • Re:IDE drive order (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Alien54 ( 180860 ) on Saturday August 19, 2006 @12:02AM (#15938827) Journal
    I remember certain hard drive brands from that era were not very compatible. Some drives were not not even compatible with other drives from the same company. Thus the odd configuration setups like you describe. Conners was one brand that was weird like that. Seagate was another, but it varied from year to year from venmdor to vendor.
  • Re:Current computer (Score:2, Interesting)

    by dysan27 ( 913206 ) on Saturday August 19, 2006 @12:05AM (#15938837)
    Ok, don't know why the it can't see the second drive, but some time the "not see the drive when you first start" is because by the time the BIOS starts looking for the HD the HD hasn't finshed spinning up, and so is not in a state to tell the bios it's there.

    When you reboot, the platers are already spinning, so the HD is ready when the BIOS looks for it.
  • Re:More Magic? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by CrazyDuke ( 529195 ) on Saturday August 19, 2006 @12:13AM (#15938861)
    For one I remember a system that took a good lightning hit, burned a nickle size hole clean through the motherboard. Worked like a charm except for the modem. Stuck in a new modem and she was good to go, soot, stains, and all. But more to what you where saying:

    Reminds me of an old 486 I ran into in Highschool back in the days of the old AT hard wired power switches. The damn thing would turn on or off like one of those touch lamps whenever someone touced (and grounded, I assume) the case.

    But the freakiest thing was the little 13 inch TV my parents owned that would turn itself off, and would then turn on again if, and not until, I yelled at it.
  • Hard drive on Ice (Score:1, Interesting)

    by GroinSniper ( 643086 ) on Saturday August 19, 2006 @12:16AM (#15938870)
    My favorite thing to freak users out is when their drive refuses to boot (the clicking death type, not the scraping heads of destruction type), I place the drive in the freezer over night. Next morning it usually boots fine and lives long enough for me to ghost the data off.
  • Re:hard drive (Score:3, Interesting)

    by CheeseTroll ( 696413 ) on Saturday August 19, 2006 @12:23AM (#15938895)
    We used to call this "stiction" when it happened to old Mac SE's in the college labs. I had several drives die on me every day for a while one summer, and we'd have to whack them progressively harder to recover any data off the drives.
  • by MichaelKaiserProScri ( 691448 ) on Saturday August 19, 2006 @12:41AM (#15938948)
    I had a friend have a hard drive that simply would not spin up. He REALLY needed the data off that drive. After about 6 hours of messing with it, he picked it up in frustration and slammed it against the desk. Well, it spun up. He didn't ask any questions, but IMMEDIATLY "Ghosted" the drive to another one. The drive lived through the "Ghost" and never started again. And the data was mostly OK.
  • by sjs132 ( 631745 ) on Saturday August 19, 2006 @12:44AM (#15938960) Homepage Journal
    Interesting... Back in 90 in College, I found the same thing/info... And now out of habbit, whenever my computer seems to bog down, I find myself spinning the cursor. EVEN though, I know it has NOTHING to do with current problems. It's just "back there" in my subconscience. I usually laugh when I catch myself doing this type of stuff...

    I also remember my old Tandy COCO Days with my external 300 Baud modem... I could dial into Delphi but I couldn't start pressing keys or the Term Program I wrote would freeze. So I had to wait till connection was established and got to know the tones pretty good even up to my 2400 baud modem I last had on it... To this day, When I listen to fax machines, I picture the handshake protocol while it is happening, and I HATE the fax machines that mute the tones! (I will even go up to the copier/fax unit at work and use the send immidiately, dial offhook mode so that I KNOW that it was sent and not have to bother checking for the little xfr report later...

    Of course this reference brings back another trick of mine. When I worked as a lab op in college, I worked the opening and closing shifts often. (beer right after, and passout in the lab overnight to open it up in the AM. Not always, but NOT kidding either. :) Point is that when I closed a lab, students would shut their computers off near the end of the night, and the monitors would be left on. I found that I could pick up the sound of the flyback transformers if I just closed my eyes and focused on it. So when Shutting down a lab: I'd walk in, turn out lights, listen. No monitors or computers, fine, turn around / leave & lock it. If I did hear a monitor, without opening my eyes, I could walk to it turn it off and then leave. It became a little game. Even now, if I hear a CRT that is "about to go bad" it drives me nuts because the sound just jumps out at me even in a crowded room. Haven't noticed it with LCD's yet.

  • by Progman3K ( 515744 ) on Saturday August 19, 2006 @01:15AM (#15939031)
    I don't think you are a troll;

    A few years ago, my pc started randomly turning itself off while I was using it.

    During the course of swapping parts in an out of the motherboard and trying to boot the computer to see if a specific component was causing the problem (it was the power-supply, duh!), Windows eventually got to a place where it needed to be reactivated.

    The network card didn't function anymore because its driver had been uninstalled (???) during the tests.

    I didn't feel like spending any time on the phone over it. I felt it was bad enough to have a hardware failure, but even WORSE to have the operating system prolong the crisis for no other reason than it not trusting me.

    So I downloaded and burned a Knoppix bootable CD with a different machine and booted my computer with that.

    I used Knoppix like that for about a month while evaluating Linux distros.

    When I had decided which Linux distribution I was going to go with (Gentoo), I used Knoppix to backup the data from my computer's hard disk over the LAN to a second machine and then using the installation handbook, I partitioned and formatted the drives, downloaded and installed the base system and have never looked back since.
  • Super NoFriendo (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Evets ( 629327 ) on Saturday August 19, 2006 @01:50AM (#15939127) Homepage Journal
    I bought a clearance Super-Nintendo from CompUSA for $5 when I worked there. We didn't even sell them, but someone got suckered into taking it as a return. It worked find for about a week, then we ended up resorting to blowing on the cartridges for another week or two.

    Finally it stopped working alltogether, but addicted to one of the games, I set to taking it apart and finding the problem. While it was apart, I found that if I held the game cartridge in with a certain amount of pressure it would work, but too much pressure or none at all and it would not operate at all.

    Searching throughout the house for an appropriate weight, I ended up finding a 3 quarters empty bottle of Amaretto in the parental unit's liquor cabinet that worked perfectly. I spent the last semester of my senior year with a bottle of alcohol staring at me that I could never drink - for if I did my game console would die on me. It didn't last once summer started, though ... :)
  • Re:Current computer (Score:4, Interesting)

    by mikeswi ( 658619 ) * on Saturday August 19, 2006 @02:12AM (#15939184) Homepage Journal
    The guy that owns my web hosting company told me a funny story along those lines once. He'd gone to the data center to upgrade the kernel on all his servers. They'd take one down, he updated the kernel, rebooted to make sure it worked, then handed it off to another guy to plug back in and the other guy would grab another one.

    When they were on the third or fourth server, they realized the servers weren't booting up when they put them back in the rack. So they brought them back to the desk, booted them up and they worked fine. They'd put them back in the rack and nothing.

    It took a couple of hours to figure out what the problem was. Somehow he'd managed to compile the kernel in a way that it wouldn't finish booting, if no keyboard was hooked up. He had no way to recompile the kernel there at the data center. He lives in Birmingham and the data center is in Atlanta, so going home to his own computer wasn't an option.

    So he ended up buying a few dozen $5 keyboards at some computer shop and just laying them on top of the servers when they put them back in their racks. Worked like a charm.
  • by Kreigaffe ( 765218 ) on Saturday August 19, 2006 @03:49AM (#15939425)
    I've been on the broken end of that before. Very frustrating when your power supply won't even start running unless one specific person is standing next to it.

    Yes, that happened. I also had the strangest, most bizzarre HARDWARE glitch with my MONITOR -- it was almost as if I had an LCD with dead pixels.. but I've a CRT. And they were about 1x1mm blocks all set together in neat tetris-esque patterns. Lasted about a week.

    I blamed Mexico -- that's where it was made. The poor spirit of some mexican child who died making it, I think.
  • by WWWWolf ( 2428 ) <wwwwolf@iki.fi> on Saturday August 19, 2006 @05:00AM (#15939560) Homepage

    As everyone knows, Commodore VIC-1541 Toaster is a very, very odd thing.

    I once got a C64 game collection. The store was half across the country. Got home. Tried playing the games. A few didn't work. We mailed the games back to the store for replacement.

    The games came back with a note "If the games do not work, turn the floppy drive to its side." With a helpful diagram.

    Flipped the drive to its side, tried running the game, and wham - time to enjoy some games.

    I later ran into some games that had such a weird copy protection that, in turn, didn't work while the drive was on its side...

    Now, honest truth to tell, I've looked at modern attempts at DRM/copy protections with rather bleary eyes, but I think Starforce and the Sony XCP rootkits seem to have finally beaten this stuff - time to get worried about nasty copy protection schemes again...

  • by Bake ( 2609 ) on Saturday August 19, 2006 @08:17AM (#15939982) Homepage
    I once added a TV Tuner card to my homebrewed NT machine. No matter how hard I tried, it simply refused to operate, even with NT specific drivers for the card, it would always give an error saying it was unable to share an IRQ. The manual for the card said that the only devices using IRQ 9 (still remember the IRQ) should be the TV Tuner card and the video card.
    After a bit of digging I was finally able to determine that IRQ 9 was indeed being shared by more than just the tuner card and the video card; my ZIP Zoom card was also using IRQ 9.

    For those who don't know what a Zip Zoom card was, it was a stripped down SCSI controller mainly used for external Zip SCSI drives.

    After a few months of being unable to use both my Zip drive and tuner card at the same time, I grew weary of plugging/unplugging the cards based on when I wanted to use them and finally decided to do something about it.

    The first step I took was to take a second look at the offending IRQ and changing it. The Zip zoom controller had a few jumpers you enabling you to change the port and IRQ. Finding out that the offending IRQ was 9 I thought it was a simple task at moving the IRQ jumper and therefore assigning a different IRQ.

    I still get the same error. Move the jumper to its original position, same error. This is when things start to get weird. I keep moving the jumper between positions and NT still keeps saying it's using IRQ9. I boot into Linux and shuffle the jumpers back and forth and amazingly Linux says the IRQ for the card changes.

    I then take a closer look at the card and its documentation and notice that the only IRQs the card supports are IRQ 5 and 7 (and NT reports it as having IRQ 9); I still remember the "hmm... this is odd" feeling I got when I found that out.

    Long story short, it turns out that NT's HAL (Hardware Abstraction Layer) decided that my Zip Zoom card belonged best at IRQ 9 and assigned IRQ9 to it accordingly. I was then able to change the IRQ for the zip zoom card so that it used the a different IRQ than IRQ9; thus enabling my to finally use my Zip drive at the same time as my TV Tuner card.

    This is what I call voodoo.

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