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SanDisk Baits Apple And Woos Rockbox 374

An anonymous reader writes "CNET reports that SanDisk is courting open source developers to port Rockbox to its popular MP3 players. SanDisk is currently the world's second most popular MP3 player manufacturer after Apple. Rockbox is an open source OS for most major MP3 players. The article also talks about SanDisk's subversive new anti-iPod advertising campaign which calls iPod owners 'iChimps' and uses a 'street graffiti style' to create the illusion of a 'counter-culture uprising against the iPod'. The writer says, 'SanDisk is the first company to market its player as an ideological rather than technological alternative to the iPod. To do so is to fight Apple on their own terms.'"
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SanDisk Baits Apple And Woos Rockbox

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  • by Jeremi ( 14640 ) on Friday June 02, 2006 @03:24PM (#15456867) Homepage
    Oh goody, a corporate-manufactured "cultural backslash" to a corporate-manufactured "cultural movement".


    I vaguely remember the days when culture had something to do with people, not just competing marketing departments...

  • Facts (Score:2, Insightful)

    by MrSquirrel ( 976630 ) on Friday June 02, 2006 @03:27PM (#15456904)
    SanDisk is the second most popular mp3 player? I thought Creative held that (with about a 5% market share).
  • by Distinguished Hero ( 618385 ) on Friday June 02, 2006 @03:28PM (#15456912) Homepage
    Differentiating by making iPod users seem like sheep [idont.com] is a pretty effective idea.... perhaps!
    The funny thing is that anyone who changes their mind based on this stupid marketing campaign really is a sheep.
  • by ePhil_One ( 634771 ) on Friday June 02, 2006 @03:28PM (#15456914) Journal
    Apple got it's dominant position largely through a clever (and cool, and the early) advertising campaign.

    Apple got its dominate position by creating a effective and user freindly UI to a useful and stylish bit of hardware. If the underlying UI & Hardware weren't up to the task, the ipod would have fallen flat when the first generation of users didn't like them. I owned a pre-ipod player, it had a painful UI, so despite its slick hardware, I hardly ever used it and bad mouthed it to freinds.

  • by Megane ( 129182 ) on Friday June 02, 2006 @03:29PM (#15456930)
    I like the idea of a music player that is open source and will allow you to play any time of music as well as copy it off and use it in another player. vs. iTunes proprietary format.

    The only "proprietary" format is the DRM from the Music Store, and maybe ALAC lossless (I don't know if ALAC is open or not). It plays industry standard MP3 and AAC files just fine.

    As long as you don't care about buying music online, there is nothing proprietary about an iPod.

  • Yuck. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Rob T Firefly ( 844560 ) on Friday June 02, 2006 @03:30PM (#15456941) Homepage Journal
    "'SanDisk is the first company to market its player as an ideological rather than technological alternative to the iPod. To do so is to fight Apple on their own terms.'"

    "Fighting Apple on their own terms," they say? I see it as more of a "sinking to their level."

  • by X_Caffeine ( 451624 ) on Friday June 02, 2006 @03:38PM (#15457028)
    Since it has that sort of stink of knee jerk "anti-corporate subversion" advertising (see David Foster Wallace's E Plurabus Unam), it fails to astroturf. The graphic mentally reinforce "ipod ipod ipod ipod" in the viewers subconscious. In the end, it just makes you feel sorry for all of Apple's competitors.
  • I don't get it... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by craigtheguru ( 919530 ) on Friday June 02, 2006 @03:40PM (#15457053) Homepage
    Siding with Microsoft and a conglomeration of other Plays For Sure companies sure sounds like stickin' it to the man and independent thinking to me! *shakes head*

    It is obvious that these companies don't get it. Instead of trying to compete by offering a compelling and highly integrated product they've moved on to what is essentially name calling. Next they'll say that every time you buy an iPod Jesus cries and kittens die.

    Just produce a must-have product and the sales will take care of themselves! Until that time I'll keep buying iPods because that is what iPod+iTunes is!

  • by abscissa ( 136568 ) on Friday June 02, 2006 @03:42PM (#15457073)
    Psychologists have consistently shown that people actually prefer fewer choices to more choices. It just makes life easier and more straightforward, even though it is counterintuitive.

    Part of Apple's strength is that there aren't ten trillion different models with model numbers to purchase, only 3 that come in difference sizes. Has anyone seen Creative's lineup of MP3 players? They have an MP3 player for every occasion.

    Copying one part of Apple's marketing strategy alone is not sufficient to match their unparalleled marketing genius.
  • Re:iZZZZZZZ (Score:4, Insightful)

    by drinkypoo ( 153816 ) <drink@hyperlogos.org> on Friday June 02, 2006 @03:46PM (#15457130) Homepage Journal

    The article also talks about SanDisk's subversive new anti-iPod advertising campaign which calls iPod owners 'iChimps'

    What was the executive meeting for that one? "Hey, boss! Let's insult the hell out of our target market!"

    Your knee hath jerked too soon. First, engage brain.

    The primary target market for Sandisk is people who don't have an iPod. Why? Because they already have a fucking mp3 player. Their targeted market segment (with this campaign, especially) is the people who can't afford an iPod, or who don't want to patronize Apple because of the lingering air of fanboyism that permeates their products.

    These people will likely respond favorably to being led to believe that they are not sheep (though clearly anyone who buys based purely on advertising is indeed a member of the sheeple at large.)

  • Re:iZZZZZZZ (Score:3, Insightful)

    by mobby_6kl ( 668092 ) on Friday June 02, 2006 @03:50PM (#15457158)
    >"Hey, boss! Let's insult the hell out of our target market!"

    The iPod owners aren't their target market. Those people are a lost cause.
  • Their right but (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Coeurderoy ( 717228 ) on Friday June 02, 2006 @03:51PM (#15457166)
    Currently the SanDisk line required Window XP and WMA 10+
    So let's say it's tito raging against staline, or Franco against Musolini.
    If they offer a rockbox version and find some distributors willing to support music and video distributions in some open format i'll be able to aplaud.

    Right now I'll keep my PMA400 (archos PDA+Player Linux based :-))

  • Oh goody, a corporate-manufactured "cultural backslash" to a corporate-manufactured "cultural movement".
    I vaguely remember the days when culture had something to do with people, not just competing marketing departments...
    Or maybe you just think you do..
  • by shawb ( 16347 ) on Friday June 02, 2006 @03:52PM (#15457176)
    What you say? Apple would never do anything like THAT, would they? Taking community created and tested technology and putting it in a slick package would simply be unthinkable.

    What are they gonna do next... take on open source operating system, put a slick UI on it and call it their own?
  • Re:More Info: (Score:3, Insightful)

    by siegesama ( 450116 ) on Friday June 02, 2006 @03:52PM (#15457182) Homepage
    Slightly off-topic, but I'd like to mention (regarding your search for Ogg alternatives to iPod) that Rockbox runs awesome on my 5G iPod. Originally I would have preferred that apple would have stepped up and provided the Ogg support on its own, but the features and UI of Rockbox are actually better than the stock Apple firmware. There are some bugs and missing features to contend with (lack of video playback), but if necessary you can have rockbox boot back to the original firmware!
  • by Lussarn ( 105276 ) on Friday June 02, 2006 @03:58PM (#15457242)
    It's not a strange new fangled USB device that connects to the computer in some weird way, and you have to load weird software and jump through hoops to get it to work

    Uh, the iPod may have some strength but what you described is the iPod. 99% of all mp3 players you just connect to your computer and put your music on. No software required, no hops to make them work, and they work everywhere (on any OS) as long as you bring the USB cable. The iPod on the other hand does require software to be installed. And it won't function properly without it.
  • Re:iZZZZZZZ (Score:3, Insightful)

    by EvanED ( 569694 ) <{evaned} {at} {gmail.com}> on Friday June 02, 2006 @04:03PM (#15457294)
    What was the executive meeting for that one? "Hey, boss! Let's insult the hell out of our target market!"

    As opposed to the recent Apple commercials that feel as mudslinging as anything you see around election time?

    "Finally, the Intel chip is freed from dull little boxes performing dull little tasks"
  • by Whiney Mac Fanboy ( 963289 ) * <whineymacfanboy@gmail.com> on Friday June 02, 2006 @04:06PM (#15457323) Homepage Journal
    The funny thing is that anyone who changes their mind based on this stupid marketing campaign really is a sheep.

    You know, now I think about it, perhaps such a negative (and as others have pointed out, blatantly astroturfing & subculture mining) campaign won't work so well.

    I do partially agree with you - I think anyone who changes their mind and buys a sandisk based on this stupid marketing campaign really is a sheep, but I think someone who sees this campaign and just thinks about it a little more next time they buy a mp3 player is not....
  • by m874t232 ( 973431 ) on Friday June 02, 2006 @04:08PM (#15457341)
    Apple has made a career out and a fortune out of portraying their competitors as evil and dominating, and people who buy their competitors' products as boring and conforming. It is only fair that when Apple dominates a market, others do the same thing to them.
  • by timster ( 32400 ) on Friday June 02, 2006 @04:09PM (#15457359)
    Apple got it's dominant position largely through a clever (and cool, and the early) advertising campaign.

    Apple got its position by having the foresight to think of their product as a "premium" device. They put in lots of storage capacity, made the thing as small as possible, made more than half the case out of metal, and designed an interface very carefully. When that was done that had a player that was much more expensive than the competing players but much more useful, and the market responded.

    Consider that the supposed "iPod killers" today still often have plastic-only cases, are often twice the volume, and usually have a confusing interface (see the Zen Vision:M).

    tried to differentiate themselves through technological features (doesn't work 'cause most people don't understand)

    Nonsense; people know quite well what an FM tuner and a stopwatch and a voice recorder are. They just don't care, or not in large numbers (and various add-ons exist for the iPod anyway). I told my dad that other players included a built-in radio, and he told me that the reason he wanted an iPod was that radio now sucks.
  • by bakayoko ( 570822 ) on Friday June 02, 2006 @04:18PM (#15457445)
    Apple has made a career out and a fortune out of portraying their competitors as evil and dominating, and people who buy their competitors' products as boring and conforming.
    That's because their competitors are evil and dominating. And people who buy their competitors' products are boring and conforming, and they know it. What world do you live in?

    As far as this whole "ideology vs technology" thing, that hasn't been Apple's "turf" for damn near a decade.

    If you have to buy useless consumer crap, you could do a whole lot worse than the iPod, IMHO.
  • by General Lee's Peking ( 954826 ) on Friday June 02, 2006 @04:21PM (#15457466)
    Apple hasn't complained so far, that I know about anyway. Were you expecting them to do so? The way you've put your comment makes it sound like Apple has already been whining about this. Is that fair to paint them that way?
  • by GlassHeart ( 579618 ) on Friday June 02, 2006 @04:25PM (#15457515) Journal
    I vaguely remember the days when culture had something to do with people, not just competing marketing departments...

    Would this be the days when a diamond was forever, or the days when an apple a day kept the doctor away? Corporate manipulation of popular culture, despite your low user ID, probably predates you.

  • by Einstein_101 ( 966708 ) on Friday June 02, 2006 @04:37PM (#15457638)
    You know what would really kill the iPod? A better product! iPod has one heck of a marketing campaign, but let's face it that isn't the only reason for it's sucess. I'm a techie just like most of you, and I'm borderline anti-Apple. I been wanting an mp3 player for a while now. After about 18 months of researching it, I went with the iPod for numerous reasons.

    1)It has by far the most accesories of any portable player.

    2)It's by far the thinnest of any Mp3 player. The closest resemblace to the iPod is the Samsung Z5 [samsung.com]. The only problem is the 4Gb Z5 isn't much smaller than my 30Gb video iPod.

    3)Quality. Before video was a factor, the only serious competitor to iPod was the Creative Zen Sleek. [creative.com] I'm glad I didn't get one. It started out nice, but let's just say it wasn't built for durability. Consumers were posting all over the net (it should still be on CNet and Amazon) about rattling noises. It seems that the earphones jack wasn't soildered properly, and thousands of people where having problems about it comming loose and falling inside the player. That's a great way to steer people away from Apple.

    But it wasn't only hardware quality that was in question. The "Plays For Sure" nonsense was wreaking havok, and several people weren't able to install the software on Windows 2000. If that wasn't bad enough, the people that COULD install the player complained about being forced to keep the songs on their harddrive (no manual update like the one present in iTunes).

    Now before I hear any of the usual iPod propaganda, let me dispell some of the most common rumors:

    1)You do NOT have to purchase music from iTunes. It sounds obvious, but I actually heard a saleman in Radio Shack tell someone that the only way to get music in the iPod was to buy it. You would think he was just trying to sell more pre-paid cards for iTunes, but once I spoke with him, he actually didn't know. As a matter of fact, you don't even have to use iTunes at all.

    (Disclaimer: I must warn you that I've heard stories of 3rd party software corrupting iTunes.db. It works fine with everything else, but once iTunes detects the .db file has been edited by a 3rd party, it might not recognize the file anymore.)

    2) You do not have to buy QuickTime Pro to import movies. That was true once upon a time, that was changed in iTunes 6.02. However, iTunes is still slow, and neither iTunes or QuickTime can encode muxed videoes with audio, so you're better off using a free alternative [videora.com].

    3)There is an easy way to get your music back off of your iPod [drewfindley.com], but it isn't free.

    Let's face it people : The iPod isn't perfect by anyone's standards, but it's the best player on the market by a landslide. If you want to bring Apple's domination of the mp3 market to a halt - give it some decent competition. Creative started now, so hopefully after a few years they'll have all the kinks ironed out. Until then, I can't recommend anything else.
  • by dafing ( 753481 ) on Friday June 02, 2006 @04:54PM (#15457793) Journal
    Hey guys,

    Whats with us, I thought /. was for nerds? How come every discussion of the iPod, which is still every other day, we have the same arguements. Again and again. And again.

    Examples like "iPod locks you to iTunes music store/iTunes the program", and that "iPods can actually play many open formats, like mp3......." etc? God, its 2006, "the consumers still pissed, can't take it anymore so i'm writing a list...", how so many of us dont know what the iPod CAN and CAN'T do?

    I love my iPod dearly, wouldnt part with it for 10K, still rocking on my 15GB 3G, with like 2 hours of battery life.
  • Does this mean that all the demonstrations and civil unrest of the sixties and early seventies weren't about buying the world a Coke?
  • by LordPhantom ( 763327 ) on Friday June 02, 2006 @05:14PM (#15457985)
    So, um, that would be just about every apple user who thinks they're "cool" based upon apple's adverts?

    Nah, don't bother replying.

  • Re:More Info: (Score:4, Insightful)

    by 2nd Post! ( 213333 ) <gundbear@pacbe l l .net> on Friday June 02, 2006 @06:51PM (#15458664) Homepage
    How can we trust, then, that their reviews are both accurate and meaningful if they do not review iPods? That means their reviews are effectively unable to compare to an iPod because they cannot review an iPod to the same standards as the rest of the MP3 players on that site.
  • by Overly Critical Guy ( 663429 ) on Friday June 02, 2006 @06:56PM (#15458690)
    "Two of my friends recently purchased iPods specifically because they saw others on campus using them--nothing to do with UI and how stylish the hardware is. IMO, most people buying iPods these days are buying it to feel a belonging to a "movement"/culture or because it is some kind of new fad going on."

    I don't think anybody has any proof of this. People buy iPods because they LIKE them. If they saw others using them on campus and decided to pick one up, then obviously they DID see how easy the UI was and how stylish the hardware is, because as you just wrote, they saw someone else using it.

    You know, just because you're all technical geeks posting on Slashdot doesn't mean everyone else is a "sheep" or following a "movement" when they adopt something that is popular. The iPod really is a great product.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 02, 2006 @07:02PM (#15458728)
    Apple got its dominate position by creating a effective and user freindly UI to a useful and stylish bit of hardware.

    Don't you (and the moderators) know the meaning of the word "largely?" The GP said: "Apple got it's dominant position largely through a clever (and cool, and the early) advertising campaign."

    Your claim (that the iPod is a good product) is largely undisputed and redundant.

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    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Friday June 02, 2006 @07:05PM (#15458750)
    Comment removed based on user account deletion
  • by goldcd ( 587052 ) on Friday June 02, 2006 @07:55PM (#15459102) Homepage
    there's an awful lot of people looking to get away from iDRM
    I've bought music from iTunes. If I stop buying iPods between now and the end of my life, I've got to either lose that music on the go, or re-buy it (and add that cost to replacing my iPod).
    The MS system isn't as slick - but at least I know I'll have more choices of vendors to buy from in the future (who might actually try to compete with each other) and sooner of later one of them is going to produce something much better than the iPod of that time.
  • by mrchaotica ( 681592 ) * on Friday June 02, 2006 @10:41PM (#15459875)
    but at least I know I'll have more choices of vendors to buy from in the future (who might actually try to compete with each other) and sooner of later one of them is going to produce something much better than the iPod of that time.
    No, you don't know that. I mean, it hasn't happened so far, has it?

    Face it: you're still just as locked in with "Plays For Sure [sic]" as you are with "FairPlay [sic]." The only good DRM is no DRM at all.

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