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Red Hat Launches Entertainment-Centric 'Mugshot' 54

Posted by timothy
from the do-you-want-that-tag-go? dept.
Havoc Pennington writes "A small team of us have been working on a new project called Mugshot, we're calling it a "live social experience" and hoping it will bring open source to more people who aren't using it already. The project is public as of this morning. Check out the developer site for more."
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Red Hat Launches Entertainment-Centric 'Mugshot'

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  • by crossmr (957846)
    First visit to the page I clicked "more" on link swarm and it crashed mozilla. Second visit there was some extreme hitching.

    Thats not terribly encouraging.
  • by eno2001 (527078)
    Looks like a better alternative to MySpace. At least it might filter out some of the stupid. ;P
  • by Anonymous Coward
    pls tell me u dnnt havve 2b ovr 13 to sing up 4 ths. ok thx.
  • by ImaLamer (260199) <john.lamarNO@SPAMgmail.com> on Wednesday May 31, 2006 @03:41PM (#15438292) Homepage Journal
    I went to the developer site and looked all over the Wiki, and I saw mugshot.org. I see your (potential) projects, software clients and web functions, but I can't tell exactly what the aim is. Where is the tie that binds all of this?

    Anyone can respond, I'm sorry to point my question at the developers. I just want a more fleshed out proposal. The summary would have been a good place to put it, but below will be fine.
    • by Havoc Pennington (87913) on Wednesday May 31, 2006 @03:53PM (#15438396)
      We're trying to do a variety of things that might appeal to people who aren't using Linux or open source already. There isn't necessarily a strong connection between all of them (though there is some "platform" that we've been sharing among features so far, such as an XMPP server connecting everyone's desktop, friend lists, groups, etc.)

      There are two very specific features we already started on:
      http://mugshot.org/links-learnmore [mugshot.org]
      http://mugshot.org/radar-learnmore [mugshot.org]

      So those are very specific, but the project is open to all kinds of stuff, no need to artificially limit it.
      • We're trying to do a variety of things that might appeal to people who aren't using Linux or open source already.

        Such as? What does it do?

        There isn't necessarily a strong connection between all of them (though there is some "platform" that we've been sharing among features so far, such as an XMPP server connecting everyone's desktop, friend lists, groups, etc.)

        What's XMPP? What does it do?

        There are two very specific features we already started on:
        http://mugshot.org/links-learnmore [mugshot.org]
        http://mu [mugshot.org]

      • I'm getting that this about "liveness" and personal expression.

        The "liveness" space, where we use our broadband connectivity to join together in real time to socialize around some kind of event, is so wide open and undefined right now.

        Video conferencing and online games are just a tiny taste of the possible. It will be really cool to see what pops up to fill this space, and I just hope that us grups [newyorkmetro.com] get to play too.
      • Is there any relationship or code sharing between Mugshot and the "Sugar" interface for the One Laptop Per Child project? Red Hat's Chris Blizzard blogs about Sugar [0xdeadbeef.com] that "kids can communicate in every app, that they can show each other things, that they can take each other on tours of the web and many other ways of collaborating", which sounds like parts of Mugshot.

  • by Anonymous Coward
    The always classy Havoc Pennington of Red Hat today announced a new project, named "Mugshot". And I ask you: what is Mugshot? From the front-page of the project you get absolutely no information of what it does. Reading its "About" page we get a bit more information, but we still can't quite pinpoint what it is exactly: "Mugshot is an open project to create a live social experience around entertainment." We had to read the... Terms and Conditions page just to get a better idea: "Mugshot is an online service
    • by jdub! (24149) on Wednesday May 31, 2006 @04:12PM (#15438567) Homepage
      Eugenia, Eugenia, Eugenia, when will you learn?

      http://eugenia.blogsome.com/2006/05/31/mugshot-mug shot-you-said/ [blogsome.com]
    • Instead of using his team, money and energy making Linux and Gnome better (e.g. adding a full Bluetooth front-end, fix the damned phone/pda sync app that's been in alpha for 4 years now, or add video chat on Gaim, or make Nautilus ask for the root password when you try to copy/delete files out of your ~ folder)

      Why on earth should Linux or Gnome ask you for the root password to copy or delete files from a user's home directory??? Linux is inherently a multi-user system and not everybody has access to the

      • [got my passwd back, I am now logged in]

        LEARN TO READ, before you reply.

        >Why on earth should Linux or Gnome ask you for the root password to copy or delete files from a user's home directory???

        I did not say about a USER's home directory. I said OUT of a user's directory. For example, when I try to copy a file on to /usr/share/app/ I want the file manager to ask me for a root password so the file operation goes through!

        >Linux is inherently a multi-user system and not everybody has access to the root pa
        • Um, I'm pretty good at reading, and I read this the same way that person did. Your exact words were:

          make Nautilus ask for the root password when you try to copy/delete files out of your ~ folder

          I thought the same thing. Why in the world should anyone need the root password to copy or delete files from their home directory? That makes no sense. Because I'm good at pretty good at reading minds as well as reading books, I think what you meant to say was this:

          make Nautilus ask for the root password

        • LEARN TO READ, before you reply.

          LEARN TO WRITE, so that you can say what you really mean to say, not what you thought you said!

          I did not say about a USER's home directory. [sic] I said OUT of a user's directory.

          root access is not necessary to copy files OUT of a user's home directory nor should it be unless the destination directory is owned by root.

          For example, when I try to copy a file on to /usr/share/app/ I want the file manager to ask me for a root password so the file operation goes through!

          Now

          • >Get root access via su or sudo and then launch the file manager as root, problem solved!

            This is exactly what I am trying to AVOID. The user should NOT have to open a terminal to sudo. There are many instances (about 95%), where the user is also the sole user or admin of the machine. Why have him/her open a terminal to sudo when this should be done easily via the file manager. If sudo exists, then the file manager should endorse it too and integrate it. THAT'S usability my friend.

            >Then buy a Mac!

            I hav
            • There are many instances (about 95%), where the user is also the sole user or admin of the machine. Why have him/her open a terminal to sudo when this should be done easily via the file manager. If sudo exists, then the file manager should endorse it too and integrate it.

              Like I mentioned before, Red Hat and Fedora will ask for the root password ONCE and then integrate with the file manager seamlessly. What kind of broke-ass distribution are you using that does not do that?

              I also have two laptops where I

              • What gets me about those calling for increased Linux "usability" want it to work more like Windows or the Mac. If you want it to work like Windows why not use Windows? If you want it to work like the Mac, why not use a Mac?

                Suppose I have a hammer with a comfortable grip, and an axe with an uncomfortable grip. Suppose you come across me chopping wood, and I mention to you that I don't like the grip on the axe as much as the grip on my hammer. Would you tell me to stop whining and chop wood with the hammer
                • Suppose I have a hammer with a comfortable grip, and an axe with an uncomfortable grip. Suppose you come across me chopping wood, and I mention to you that I don't like the grip on the axe as much as the grip on my hammer. Would you tell me to stop whining...

                  An axe != a hammer. A Mac == a PC. And yes I would tell you to quit whining when all you need to do is go down to the local hardware store and get yourself another axe. Besides why should I care? If you want to whine by all means go ahead and do i

        • Semantics. I think you mean to say outside. Deleting a file out of a folder sounds like something my grandmother would say when she wants to delete a file in a folder.
    • 1 - It doesn't overlap the functionality of orkut/myspace type sites much, other than "the system keeps track of your friends list" but your mail and IM do that too. Mugshot is not intended to be a "social networking" site in the myspace sense.
      2 - I spend my time and energy on whatever I consider valuable... others can do the same with their time and energy. The nice thing about open source is that everyone gets to vote with their work.
      3 - there's a Red Hat desktop team still working hard on desktop stuff.
      • >Mugshot is not intended to be a "social networking" site in the myspace sense.

        WHAT is it intended to be then??? Because your web site says absolutely nothing about it! It just doesn't spell out, or gives examples, or mockups of what it does. 99% of the people who have commented on Mugshot don't get it. That's your error, as manager of this project.

        >I spend my time and energy on whatever I consider valuable...

        That's like saying that Alexander the Great has decided to stop inventing other countries and
        • s/inventing/invading
        • >The changes on Gnome the past year are only *superficial*.

          I will give you NetworkManager (mostly developed by RH) and g-v-m (developed by Novell). Other than that, same old, same old in the Gnome land. I say, come back to the Red Hat Desktop Team and make the team develop things as they used to in 2001: full force. That's what we, Gnome users, have missed the past few years.

          And then, you come out after MONTHS in secluding offices, and you talk to us about Mugshot, and media sharing and working with the
        • "WHAT is it intended to be then???"

          It is a "work in progress", as written on the front page. Why do you expect it to be a fully finished polished product? It's just a website, calm down!
      • Your time is valuable and you should spend that time working on what we tell you too. It isn't like we could dig into the source and add any of these features ourselves! We don't pay a thing and we demand service! I just can not understand why Red Hat is not into Linux for the Desktop.

        Just kidding of course. Your right, you can work on anything you find value in. Just as many people work on programs like GRASS or even Airfoil. I have to wonder why you even bothered to reply to that troll.
      • I'd like to echo Eugenia's confusion about what the site actually is, though not her tone. I'm honestly curious because I don't get it. What does it do better than MySpace, LiveJournal, or Last.fm? Do you guys actually use this (I mean really use, not beta test) for anything yet, and if so what?
    • In other words, this Mugshot thing, is nothing but yet another Orkut/Friendster/MySpace-kind of social networking site and client, but with a twist towards entertainment and media sharing. What a useless project. Is this Pennington's super secret project that he has been working on for the past year? Is this what he spent Red Hat's money on? On yet-another social networking site? Instead of using his team, money and energy making Linux and Gnome better (e.g. adding a full Bluetooth front-end, fix the damne
      • From that point of view, you are right Jamin.

        But there's a back story. When considering the overall picture with Gnome and Linux, including Red Hat's own commercial products, it hurts me seeing such an off topic (and badly explained) project being worked on, while there is so much they could do with their core products. I mean, sure, it's nice to have Red Hat Labs where people can code whatever they want on their 20% of the time (just like Google does), OR, have a special team that works on the science pro
  • by Bogtha (906264) on Wednesday May 31, 2006 @03:45PM (#15438327)

    Does the Slashvertisment tell me what it does? Nope.

    Does the website tell me what it is? Nope.

    Does the developer site tell me what it is? Nope.

    Does the FAQ entitled "What is Mugshot?" tell me what it is? Nope.

    If you want to know what it is, you have to read the FAQ entitled What does it do? [mugshot.org], in which it explains:

    Mugshot currently offers two activities:

    • Link Swarm - Share web links with individuals or groups in real time, and get live feedback when people visit those links
    • Music Radar - Show off the music you listen to using services like iTunes, Yahoo! Music, and others on your web site, blog or MySpace page

    Mugshot works with mainstream applications like iTunes, Yahoo! Music Engine, Firefox and Internet Explorer and currently supports Windows XP and Linux platforms, with limited support for Apple's OS X.

    So basically it's like del.icio.us with added media specialisation. Timothy, isn't it your job to make sure writeups include enough information to make sense?

    • So basically it's like del.icio.us with added media specialisation.

      del.icio.us plus Audioscrobbler.

      The thing that surprises me is that, for a social networking app developed in 2006, there's no mention of FOAF, RDF, or the Semantic Web on the developers' wiki. Am I going to have to master yet another set of data formats to write applications that interoperate with this?

  • I see the 'social' aspect, I see the web catalog style site, I feel like it'll lead to another myspace type feel; but how does it "ring open source to more people who aren't using it already"? I hit the wiki too, but again, no answers. That 'gang like' font sure is the bomb though!
  • Am I the only one? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by scaryjohn (120394)

    When I saw "Red Hat" and "Entertainment-centric", I thought they were rolling out a media PC distribution, maybe incorporating an optimized version of MythTV.

    No?

    • Nope, that's what got me to click through. Unfortunately, it sounds like another [application for people younger than I am]. *shrug* The early clickers got the real message: nothing to see here...
    • Thought the same thing, wondering when we'll see something along those lines.
    • That's what my one remaining neuron came up with first.

      I figured RH finally decided to throw a few bones from their warchest at whoever is licensing MP3/mpeg4/divx and actually compete with MS/MCE, legally.

      On a pretty wide range of documented hardware, it's a no brainer (see knoppmyth)
  • Browsing to the download page with Safari results [imageshack.us] in the site thinking I have Linux.

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