Joomla's Project Director Talks 1.1 96
daria42 writes "It's been a hectic six months for the Joomla open-source CMS since its split from the Mambo project, but according to this interview with project director Andrew Eddie there are even faster times ahead. Next week Joomla will make its formal debut at LinuxWorld Expo in Boston, with the milestone Joomla 1.1 release due towards the end of April. As Mambo and Joomla continue to diverge, Eddie says, users and developers will be forced to declare their colours and pick one or the other for production sites."
Re:huh? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:huh? (Score:2)
Seriously, i know that was trollish but what is the advantage of a CMS over intelligently organized files, directories, and links?
Re:huh? (Score:1)
a content management system makes life easier for non-geeks. so say you have a secretary who wants to update a website, you setup joomla, and then they can login and change the content on the pages of the website within a web browser. you have a wysiwyg editor which is much like word (something they are used to) and all the have to know how to do is type. no coding, less of a headache for you.
test it out here and see what you think: http://opensourcecms.com/index.php?option=content& task=view&i [opensourcecms.com]
Sounds cool but wtf is Joomla? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Sounds cool but wtf is Joomla? (Score:2)
The more you know.
Re:Sounds cool but wtf is Joomla? (Score:4, Insightful)
"Joomla open-source CMS"
Re:Sounds cool but wtf is Joomla? (Score:3, Informative)
Which would then lead you to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CMS [wikipedia.org].
Re:Sounds cool but wtf is Joomla? (Score:2)
Which would give some facinating insight into the Calexico Mission School and Canadian Mathematical Society, and maybe even Chronic mountain sickness or Conversational Monitor System.
A better link would be
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joomla [wikipedia.org]
Re:Sounds cool but wtf is Joomla? (Score:3, Funny)
CMS is obviously the acronym I am most familiar with.
YACMS (Score:3, Funny)
yet another CMS, add it to the list [cmsmatrix.org] only 548 to choose from, so dont let anyone tell you OSS doesnt give you a choice
Re:YACMS (Score:1)
I've looked at Joomla and Mambo, yet I couldn't really tell the difference, until you posted that link!
Check it out... Mambo requires root access and shell access. The benefit of not requiring ei
Re:YACMS (Score:1)
Having said that, I think people interested in a CMS for personal or small business use should look into Joomla. It is very easy to administer [joomla.org] and install, provides a lot of flexibility in layout and content and has a lot of community support.
Re:YACMS (Score:3, Informative)
After experimenting with it, I'd say it's biggest drawback is a lack of a decent security model. Maintaining a seperate user database is bad enough, but the security model is primitive beyond belief. It doesn't have ACLs, or even anything approaching the old Unix groups. This means its not only difficult to manage Mambo in the context of other network services you
Re:YACMS (Score:1)
I daresay we are well past that point, wherever it is. Time for some quality over quantity people.
Re:YACMS (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:YACMS (Score:1)
Choice is a good thing, don't get me wrong - but there comes a point where the choices are so many that the signal-to-noise ratio becomes a barrier in its own right.
Re:YACMS (Score:2)
Example I can think of would be XFree86 (the loser) and X.org (the winner).
Re:CMSs - solutions looking for problems... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:CMSs - solutions looking for problems... (Score:2)
CMSs are for idiots.
Flurbal (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Flurbal (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Flurbal (Score:2)
Re:Flurbal (Score:2)
Did you just step out of an IKEA store?
What? (Score:2, Offtopic)
It's not a made up word, it's just not English (Score:2)
Anyhow, that makes jumla or joomla a good name for a CMS; "together" certainly makes more sense than "hey what's up?". I'm not sure why it's anglicised with two OOs, since in Swahili that makes a long "oh" sound, but maybe there already is a project spelled jumla... which would just go to show how hard it is to find a name for a project these day
Re:So what's the dif ? (Score:2)
And now , the history of OpenBSD....
Re:So what's the dif ? (Score:1)
Re:So what's the dif ? (Score:2, Informative)
Mambo might have some developers, but they are not the ones who wrote it in the first place.
Disclaimer: I've never used either product (nor do I have my own website). I speak only of what I've heard.
Re:So what's the dif ? (Score:1)
Mambo still has heaps of developers (given the activity I have seen on the forge).
The Joomla crew did not write the original code. In fact, until they forked off, none
of them really contributed that much to the overall development.
Don't flame me. Go look at what changed in the source over time.
Re:So what's the dif ? (Score:1)
So pardon me if I don't take your word for it.
Re:So what's the dif ? (Score:1)
Hell, I see KDE vs Gnome the same way. If we could have one grand unified desktop that handles every app and allows you to mix & match UI features, everyone would be happy and development could be greatly simplified. It seems like for every OSS project, there exists one or more an
Re:So what's the dif ? (Score:1)
Re:So what's the dif ? (Score:1)
And yes well, KDE vs Gnome is the same for me, I have both and don't really care which is which, as long as I can get my work done and have pretty desktops
more info pls (Score:2)
http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/events/12BOS 06A/SN919567 [linuxworldexpo.com]
and the link is slashdotted...
Apparently exhibits and keynotes are free.
http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/register///C C60804 [linuxworldexpo.com]
Re:more info pls (Score:1)
not only free, but open source under the GPL
Re:more info pls (Score:1)
We have a booth in the .Org Pavilion, so you will find me, Andy Miller, and Louis Landry there. Also, interesting to you might be that we are presenting the new API to the BostonPHP group (www.bostonphp.org) on Monday night.
The expo is not free IIRC, although we will have some expo passes for the BostonPHP presentation.
If you are in the Boston area, feel free to come by and say hello. We're friendly to other CMS projects as well, as (for example) we had our lead (Andrew) wearing a Drupal tshirt in the L
Re:And people wonder why linux doesn't take off (Score:1)
Re:And people wonder why linux doesn't take off (Score:2)
In any case, Joomla or Mamboo or Xoops or PostNuke or Invision or PHPbb have really nothing to do with Linux per se. I've run several of these under Win2K just fine.
Remember: Friends don't let friends use Windows(tm).
Re:And people wonder why linux doesn't take off (Score:2)
J.
Re:And people wonder why linux doesn't take off (Score:1)
Re:And people wonder why linux doesn't take off (Score:2)
Sorry.
You're wrong.
1) Joomla isn't going to be in an application menu - its a CMS, you access it through your web browser.
2) Tell me from the following list which are CMSs and which are not: Open Text, Vignette, Hummingbird, Interwoven, Tower Technology, Hyland
Give up? Answer is all of them. And they're making millions. They don't care about your microsof
Re:And people wonder why linux doesn't take off (Score:2)
When it IS released... (Score:3, Informative)
User friendly? (Score:5, Insightful)
I've tried Joomla, as well as few other top rated CMS, and found all of them pretty much imcomprehensible. I'm sure that there is some underlying logic to the Administration of each of these systems, but I have failed to find it. Terminology, functionality, it all cries out for testing by real users.
Blog software like Wordpress [wordpress.org] has managed to make Administration nice, understandable, and constantly improving, so why can't CMS like Joomla do the same?
And of course, they really do need some real documentation, not half baked wikis and forums.
Re:User friendly? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:User friendly? (Score:2)
Re:User friendly? (Score:1)
Re:User friendly? (Score:1)
Let me just say this: Joomla or any CMS requires loads of content to make it worth your while. If you have a blog, and it's not overflowing with info and links, there is probably no reason for a CMS. If you aren't trying to create a community around your products, services or expertise, a CMS isn't for
Re:User friendly? (Score:2)
That said CMS do a lot so there will always be a lot of stuff int he admin interface. If you want something easy with great documentation, then pay for it. This way the company you are paying can afford to make it easier to use.
Or just pay one of the developers of the CMS to set it all up for you. I am sure they would love to get some cash as a result of
What?!? Not user friendly!? (Score:2)
Yes it can look a little daunting, but as another poster has pointed out... CMSes are infinitely more complex than a blog. What are you thinking? A CMS with an interface as simple as Wordpress would be absolutely uselss as a CMS. Basically... it'd be a blog
Quit yer whining. Seriously. If you can't admin a CMS then you have no right in even bothering to try. And complaining about the complexity
Re:What?!? Not user friendly!? (Score:1)
Re:User friendly? (Score:2)
Re:User friendly? (Score:2)
User Friendly is Relative (Score:2)
I think this is only true for the "average" non-professional fan site or personal blog / project.
When thinking of an "enterprise grade" CMS that a commercial site might use, where there are complex content management problems that involve complicated taxonomy and multi users and editors, it can be expected that the administration is going to be complex as well. This is not to say that the admins o
Looking forward to 1.1.... (Score:3, Informative)
As an aside, is it required that all CMSs have ridiculous names?
Re:Looking forward to 1.1.... (Score:2, Informative)
Regarding the needs for "mission critical" buzzword compliance, we hope you will see the huge changes we have made to the API (and underlying core systems) to make it easier for developers to make sophisticated applications, and quickly. That has always been a benefit of Joomla, and the next release will really open up a lot of doors and provide a lot of additional tools for developers. You could reasonably say that the Joomla CMS was rewritten with the Joomla Framework.
As an aside, is it required that a
It's a good name, I like it (Score:2)
It's got the virtues you mention (available, memorable, meaningful).
Plus, I just like it, for reasons that aren't reasons because I can't explain them.
-kgj
Re:It's a good name, I like it (Score:2)
Joolala? Joomler? Jomla? ARGH!
Re:Looking forward to 1.1.... (Score:1)
Re:Looking forward to 1.1.... (Score:1)
It may seem like a bad name, but it isn't (Score:1)
Re:It may seem like a bad name, but it isn't (Score:1)
...or you could always call them savages
/17th-century
Re:It may seem like a bad name, but it isn't (Score:1)
Re:It may seem like a bad name, but it isn't (Score:2)
Should the open source developers risk getting sued for you? Just to give you a name you are more likely to approve of?
There is a solution though. You and people who th
Really horrible analogy... (Score:2)
Nice analogy in your attempt to say that all the major corporations own these words but Exxon isn't a word. Not to mention the fact that your analogy tends to bre
Re:Really horrible analogy... (Score:2)
Looks like it went right over your head there. Exxon isn't a word, neither is joomla, novell, ebay, nissan or whatever. My point is that you guys are always bitching about open source names without realzing that most company and product names are not words either. Why? Because virtually all words are owned by somebody or another. That's why there is the nissan maxima and the BMW X5.
"Not to mention th
Re:Too much negative press (Score:2)
Re:i like joomla (Score:1)
I like it because it stands out of the crowd with its features meaning.
- Good template engine - the templates can look very different - you don't see at first glance that it is Joomla (unlike Postnuke)
- Very easy component plug-in structure - You want to use a new feature? No problem
- Few bugs
- Lots of support and a big communiy.
This is joomla:
http://www.kiez-clan.de/ [kiez-clan.de]
This is j
Useful CMS comparisons? (Score:2)
Re:Useful CMS comparisons? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Useful CMS comparisons? (Score:2)
This made frontpage? (Score:2)
Re:This made frontpage? (Score:2)
recommendation for CMS w/o database server? (Score:4, Informative)
Re:recommendation for CMS w/o database server? (Score:1)
Re:recommendation for CMS w/o database server? (Score:1)
Re:recommendation for CMS w/o database server? (Score:2)
Really all those people writing yet-aother-cms-system should just stop and start using plone.
Joomla and Mambo (Score:1)
Mambo, not Joomla (Score:1)
The problem is that buttons like Save / Cancel / etc. do not work when editing an article either in the front-end or the back end. Sometimes even in FireFox they fail. And no, IE is not an option. All these buttons work fine in any browser in Mambo versions right up