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Distributed Spam Detection

Posted by CmdrTaco on Sat Dec 01, 2001 12:20 PM
from the interesting-ideas dept.
A reader writes "There's an interesting project at SourceForge, called, "Vipul's Razor", that uses a gnutella like system to let users exchange spam "signatures" to filter spam. I work at an ISP in Ottawa, we have been using it for last two weeks to stop bulk of spam coming to our POP3 accounts. More impressively, it hasn't tagged any valid mail as spam yet. Here's the scoop from its webpage: "Vipul's Razor is a distributed, collaborative, spam detection and filtering network. Razor establishes a distributed and constantly updating catalogue of spam in propagation. This catalogue is used by clients to filter out known spam. On receiving a spam, a Razor Reporting Agent (run by an end-user or a troll box) calculates and submits a 20-character unique identification of the spam (a SHA Digest) to its closest Razor Catalogue Server. The Catalogue Server echos this signature to other trusted servers after storing it in its database. Prior to manual processing or transport-level reception, Razor Filtering Agents (end-users and MTAs) check their incoming mail against a Catalogue Server and filter out or deny transport in case of a signature match."" Cool idea. I'm up around 80% spam a day on my main mail account. Might be worth a try.
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  • Idiotic by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Saturday December 01 2001, @12:26PM
    • Re:Idiotic by ldeviator (Score:1) Sunday December 02 2001, @01:52PM
    • Re:Idiotic by Weh (Score:1) Sunday December 02 2001, @06:54AM
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  • SpamBouncer (Score:5, Informative)

    by joib (70841) on Saturday December 01 2001, @12:27PM (#2641281)
    I'm personally using SpamBouncer [spambouncer.org], a procmail-based spam filter. Works fine for me.
  • Anyone know where these people live? by oman_ (Score:1) Saturday December 01 2001, @12:28PM
  • Great use of p2p (Score:5, Insightful)

    by astrashe (7452) on Saturday December 01 2001, @12:29PM (#2641293) Journal
    This is a great use of p2p -- something that doesn't involve piracy. I wish I had heard of it before.

    Are there any other innovative non-piracy p2p apps out there that we should know about?
    • Re:Great use of p2p by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Saturday December 01 2001, @12:31PM
    • Re:Great use of p2p by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Saturday December 01 2001, @12:38PM
    • Philanthropic P2P by UM_Maverick (Score:1) Saturday December 01 2001, @12:40PM
    • Re:Great use of p2p -- Wont work. by VC (Score:2) Saturday December 01 2001, @01:07PM
    • Re:Great use of p2p by fdsa (Score:2) Saturday December 01 2001, @01:20PM
    • Re:Great use of p2p (Score:5, Informative)

      by Sarcasmooo! (267601) on Saturday December 01 2001, @01:36PM (#2641456) Homepage
      Just because most people on a P2P network use it for piracy, it doesn't become a pirate-app. I can, and have, used programs that are under attack by the RIAA do download speeches, text documents, etc. At the early point of the 2000 Nader campaign, when he couldn't get 30 seconds of time on M$NBC (much less a place in the debates later on), I used Napster and Scour to find speeches he's given. And when the Department of Commerce kicked of it's 'Safe Harbor' privacy program by failing to put the confidential information provided by the companies involved on a secure site, I downloaded the pages in a zip file despite the site being closed for a fix. Using programs like Scour, I found reading material on scientology [chalmers.se], COINTELPRO [icdc.com], and more, all the way up until the day that lawsuits shut them down.
      [ Parent ]
    • Re:Great use of p2p by addaon (Score:1) Saturday December 01 2001, @01:54PM
    • Re:Great use of p2p by LionKimbro (Score:2) Saturday December 01 2001, @04:10PM
  • So... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by DagSverre (223837) on Saturday December 01 2001, @12:29PM (#2641294) Homepage
    ...what stops this from being abused? Say I set up a box that automatically reports all mails on the most popular mailing lists as spam, effictively making the ISPs around the world start to filter out the mailing lists...

    It's a great initiative, I really hope no troll out there takes my word on this and actually do this.
    • Re:So... by OverCode@work (Score:1) Saturday December 01 2001, @12:39PM
      • Re:So... by onepoint (Score:1) Saturday December 01 2001, @01:45PM
      • Re:So... (Score:4, Insightful)

        by Greyfox (87712) on Saturday December 01 2001, @03:05PM (#2641639) Homepage
        Spammers themselves are generally interested in ways to disrupt those lines of defense. If this project grows in popularity and shows itself to effectively block spam, they'll start gunning for it. Considering potential holes in the system before that starts happening really isn't a bad idea.
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      • Re:So... (Score:4, Insightful)

        by dev0n (313063) on Saturday December 01 2001, @03:51PM (#2641781) Homepage
        Seems like everyone hates spam with a passion, except maybe the spammers themselves

        well, i would have to disagree with you on this point.. i work at a web hosting company as the technical support manager, and handling abuse complaints falls into my realm of responsibility... and i have found that a significant number of first time spammers do not KNOW that spam is "wrong", and get quite upset that they were "taken" by companies that send bulk messages on their behalf. i had one gentleman send me an apology letter that actually made me feel sorry for him. he, and many other people on our network, have never been repeat spammers.

        i know that there are many people out there who don't care, but we can't automatically assume that all spammers are evil. some of them are just ignorant.
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      • Re:So... by Zero Sum (Score:1) Saturday December 01 2001, @06:52PM
      • Re:So... by Erasmus Darwin (Score:2) Sunday December 02 2001, @04:54AM
    • Re:So... by Angry White Guy (Score:1) Saturday December 01 2001, @12:41PM
      • Re:So... by danielpavel (Score:1) Saturday December 01 2001, @01:04PM
        • Re:So... by Angry White Guy (Score:1) Monday December 03 2001, @12:37PM
      • Re:So... by Suidae (Score:2) Saturday December 01 2001, @09:16PM
    • Re:So... by cascino (Score:1) Saturday December 01 2001, @01:11PM
    • One fix . . . by tmoertel (Score:2) Saturday December 01 2001, @01:13PM
    • Apply it late by Webmonger (Score:2) Saturday December 01 2001, @06:21PM
    • don't worry by Erris (Score:1) Saturday December 01 2001, @09:28PM
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  • Authentication with servers? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by GlassUser (190787) <slashdot&glassuser,net> on Saturday December 01 2001, @12:30PM (#2641296) Homepage Journal
    I read some of the documentation, but I can't find details on a couple of questions. Do the servers authenticate with each other? It was implied, but how deep is it? Are the SHA signatures signed to the originating server (or client/trollbox) too? I think this kind of model is great, but if you don't have some nifty authentication/accountability, it can be wide open for abuse. I'm sure anyone reading slashdot can imagine a vengeful spammer flooding the network with bogus or malicious hashes.
  • Fabulous Idea! (Score:3, Interesting)

    by under_score (65824) <mishkin-slashdot ... minus herbivore> on Saturday December 01 2001, @12:30PM (#2641298) Homepage
    The people who came up with this idea deserve to be considered heros! This is one of the coolest uses of technology I have seen. (Not to be too gushing: SPAM is a rich mans problem - I hope someone comes up with some cool technological solutions to some of humanities more basic problems.) I run a server which hosts mail for a number of domains. I haven't yet, cause I just heard of it, but this will be used! There might be some interesting extensions based on possible problems: certain kinds of spam interest certain people. Perhaps a categorization system would be useful so that spam can be filtered based on these categories (for example, some people might like receiving 100 MLM spam messages a day :-P ). Also, there is an (extremely) slim chance that a legit mail might be blocked based on match hashes. Although this is extremely unlikely, could it be fixed somehow? Finally, some spam comes with very slight differences but is essentially the same spam instance. Chain letters are in a grey area. It would be good to have some heuristic methods of filtering based on content too. I don't know the characteristics of the hashing algorthm used, but perhaps by doing three hashes: start of message, middle of message, and end of message, it may be possible to identify spam even if a small part has been change. Anyway, just some random thoughts. Kudos again to those who have built this!
  • Can it be abused? by LinuxGeek8 (Score:1) Saturday December 01 2001, @12:32PM
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  • Stopping bogus entries? by 13013dobbs (Score:1) Saturday December 01 2001, @12:32PM
  • by serial frame (236591) on Saturday December 01 2001, @12:32PM (#2641306)
    It would be very neat if this were provided as a free service that acts as a front-end to an existing POP3 account. Simply sign up, provide info like your username, POP3 host (but not password; that can be passed from the service to your POP3 server on log-in for safety reasons). Then, point your favourite mail client at the service's POP3 server, and...voila. Same e-mail, minus the spam.

    Nothing truly insightful here, just speculation from a convenience freak.

  • with distributed counter-attack... by fungus (Score:1) Saturday December 01 2001, @12:35PM
  • What about evil admins? by mehfu (Score:1) Saturday December 01 2001, @12:35PM
  • Fighting spam (Score:5, Informative)

    by Brian Kendig (1959) on Saturday December 01 2001, @12:36PM (#2641317) Homepage
    I'll post my usual public service announcements here:

    SpamCop [spamcop.net] is a great service for reporting spam; just paste the spam message into the web form, and it'll automatically figure out where the smap came from and send complaints off to the appropriate people.

    The Spam Bouncer [spambouncer.org] is a procmail-based personal spam screening tool. It's got some interesting features, but I haven't used it in a long while.

    The way I avoid spam is to have my mail client screen out any email which contains any of these phrases:

    to be removed
    to be permanently removed
    to get removed
    to get off the list
    to get off this list
    to be taken off
    to remove yourself
    removal instructions
    remove in subject line
    "remove" in subject line
    remove in the subject
    "remove" in the subject
    'remove' in the subject
    S.1618
    S. 1618


    This list by itself catches about 80% of the spam I get.
    • Re:Fighting spam by sqlrob (Score:2) Saturday December 01 2001, @12:40PM
    • Re:Fighting spam by invenustus (Score:2) Saturday December 01 2001, @12:47PM
    • Re:Fighting spam by kuiken (Score:1) Saturday December 01 2001, @12:48PM
    • Re:Fighting spam by suwain_2 (Score:2) Saturday December 01 2001, @01:20PM
    • Re:Fighting spam by FattMattP (Score:2) Saturday December 01 2001, @02:00PM
    • Foreign spam removal (Score:5, Informative)

      by wideangle (169366) on Saturday December 01 2001, @02:23PM (#2641548) Homepage

      For the many /.ers who:

      a. Use Outlook secretly
      b. Receive loads of foreign spam
      c. Don't know any foreign languages
      d. Don't have any foreign friends
      e. Don't have any friends

      This Outlook rule is for you!

      Apply this rule after the message arrives
      with
      Ô or ¾ or Ç or or É or ½ or Í or ò or Ë or ® or Ä or ã or Ï or Ö or Ô in the subject or body
      delete it
      and stop processing more rules.

      This blocks 99% of foreign spam [spamhaus.org]. Sue Mosher wrote about other effective methods [slipstick.com] for killing spam in Outlook. Finally, before you reply saying "You dummy, that filter works in any client!" -- You're right.

      [ Parent ]
    • Add one for this: by TomatoMan (Score:2) Saturday December 01 2001, @03:06PM
    • Sneakemail by Spunk (Score:1) Saturday December 01 2001, @03:27PM
    • Re:Fighting spam by Restil (Score:2) Saturday December 01 2001, @04:52PM
    • Re:Fighting spam by csbruce (Score:2) Saturday December 01 2001, @09:38PM
    • Re:Fighting spam by Artifex (Score:1) Saturday December 01 2001, @11:29PM
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  • Good idea by fritter (Score:1) Saturday December 01 2001, @12:37PM
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  • by intuition (74209) on Saturday December 01 2001, @12:37PM (#2641321) Homepage
    Razor catalogs spam by hashing the entire text of the message. Later potential spam is "detected" by hashing entire texts of messages to see if the hash matches any of the existing hashes in the spam catalog.

    To get around this all a spammer has to do is change/add at least one charachter to each spam. This would make all the hashes unique and no spams would be detected.
  • Hey Taco, reduce your percentage of spam! by Nagash (Score:1) Saturday December 01 2001, @12:38PM
  • Yes I've posted this before but (Score:3, Interesting)

    by 4444444 (444444) on Saturday December 01 2001, @12:41PM (#2641331) Homepage
    I love costing spammers real money just got to
    http://goto.com
    and do a search for "bulk email" each link you click will cost the scumbags that sell spam software or spamming services several dollars each
    Also I love this new technology I wish all isp's would use it

    and for more spam fighting ideas please check out
    http://www.lenny.com/spam
  • How do you compute a signature? (Score:5, Informative)

    by cperciva (102828) on Saturday December 01 2001, @12:41PM (#2641336) Homepage
    As far as I can tell from a quick glance at this, it looks like the entire message body is being used to compute the signature. This isn't going to work very well -- over half of the spam I receive is "personalized", and that fraction is growing every day.

    This could work very well, but we need some way of computing signatures which will be invariant across different copies of personalized spam for this to be effective.
  • Idea by svara (Score:1) Saturday December 01 2001, @12:44PM
    • Re:Idea by Zero Sum (Score:1) Saturday December 01 2001, @07:42PM
  • Open for abuse? by robstah (Score:2) Saturday December 01 2001, @12:45PM
  • Re: Distributed spam filter (Score:3, Insightful)

    by blibbleblobble (526872) on Saturday December 01 2001, @12:45PM (#2641347)
    It does seem like a remarkably sensible system, just getting email clients to talk to each other about the emails they get.

    You can tell if the same email has been sent to hundreds of people (and if you use hashes, you can do that without revealing the email)

    You can click a "this is spam" button when you read an email, and anyone who trusts you (i.e. has your public key in their "trusted filtering friends" list) can look for similar messages and filter them.

    But, there do seem to be a load of problems:
    - Personalised email, as someone already mentioned
    - Privacy problems with letting others into the secrets of your mailbox
    - If you have the original of a message, you can calculate the hash, then see who else got the message (i.e. works for personal mail as well as spam)
    - Relatively easy for malicious users to wrongly label someone as a spammer

    Well worth investigating, though...
  • ifile - filters out over 90% of my spam by orbman (Score:1) Saturday December 01 2001, @12:46PM
  • SpamAssassin uses Razor (Score:5, Informative)

    by wideangle (169366) on Saturday December 01 2001, @12:49PM (#2641360) Homepage
    From http://spamassassin.taint.org/ [taint.org]:

    SpamAssassin is a mail filter to identify spam.

    Using its rule base [taint.org], it uses a wide range of heuristic tests on mail headers and body text to identify "spam", also known as unsolicited commercial email.

    The spam-identification tactics used include:

    • header analysis: spammers use a number of tricks to mask their identities, fool you into thinking they've sent a valid mail, or fool you into thinking you must have subscribed at some stage. SpamAssassin tries to spot these.
    • text analysis: again, spam mails often have a characteristic style (to put it politely), and some characteristic disclaimers and CYA text. SpamAssassin can spot these, too.
    • blacklists: SpamAssassin supports many useful existing blacklists, such as mail-abuse.org [mail-abuse.org], ordb.org [ordb.org] or others.
    • Razor: Vipul's Razor [sf.net] is a collaborative spam-tracking database, which works by taking a signature of spam messages. Since spam typically operates by sending an identical message to hundreds of people, Razor short-circuits this by allowing the first person to receive a spam to add it to the database -- at which point everyone else will automatically block it.

    Once identified, the mail can then be optionally tagged as spam for later filtering using the user's own mail user-agent application.

    SpamAssassin requires very little configuration; you do not need to continually update it with details of your mail accounts, mailing list memberships, etc. It accomplishes filtering without this knowledge, as much as possible.

    Call your ISP [google.com] and ask if they use it.
  • Sounds tres cool by Saint Aardvark (Score:2) Saturday December 01 2001, @12:51PM
    • brightmail? by autopr0n (Score:2) Saturday December 01 2001, @12:58PM
  • This is just a temporary solution. (Score:5, Informative)

    by mrsam (12205) on Saturday December 01 2001, @12:52PM (#2641366) Homepage
    Spam generators have been trying to hash-bust these kinds of filters for years now. A four year spam generator automatically appends random junk at the end of the Subject header or at the tail end of the message, in order to defeat the early hash-based spam filters.


    This is probably a 'fuzzy' hash function that should ignore minute variations. However, it goes without saying that if this hash-based spam filter becomes widespread, then the spammers will simply figure out how to hash-bust their way past it.


    To have any hope of working over the long term, this kind of an approach must include the ability to distribute not just the hashes themselves, but the hash function as well, so that the hash function itself can be adjusted, when needed.

  • One way around potential abuse. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by chris_7d0h (216090) on Saturday December 01 2001, @12:56PM (#2641381) Journal
    To eliminate the situation where one person posts a lot of "incorrect" signatures, a ranking system could be applied.
    The thought goes like this.
    A person submits a signature of "identified" spam mail to a "supernode" for ex. and the submission gets a ranking of 1. Each additional submission (by other users) increases the score by a number.

    This way, there are several classifications which could be used to filter incoming mail. For the mail providers, they could opt for only removing mail matching signatures with a very high score (thus very likely these will be actual spam) or they could filter anything reported.

    The purpose of allowing the use of classifications is that it will take longer time to get higher scores, since more people have to report the specific spam mail. Some people whish to eliminate things the least bit suspected, but mileage may vary.

    Do you see a resemblance with the ./ moderation?
  • Why this wont work. by VC (Score:1) Saturday December 01 2001, @01:04PM
  • Mailwasher (Score:3, Informative)

    by Heem (448667) on Saturday December 01 2001, @01:06PM (#2641399) Homepage Journal
    I'm using Mailwasher [mailwasher.net] it works well for me. Allows you to preview your message headers, delete,blacklist and 'bounce' anything you dont want to recieve. Works well on spam as well as email from your ex-girlfriend.

  • Unique ID's in most spam by EMIce (Score:1) Saturday December 01 2001, @01:23PM
  • X-YahooFilteredBulk (Score:4, Informative)

    by Malc (1751) on Saturday December 01 2001, @01:24PM (#2641436)
    I noticed that a lot of spam coming through my Yahoo account had been tagged with the header "X-YahooFilteredBulk". I added this to my Exim system filter and I've gone from 20+ spams a day in my inbox to 2 in a week. Thank you Yahoo!

    Unfortunately, a lot anti-spam measures (including Exim 3's system filters) only take place after a message has been accepted for delivery. For me, this results in a lot of bounce messages frozen in the queue as they cannot be returned (Hotmail mailbox full, etc). I've switched on features like verifying the sender and the headers, but this doesn't catch them all, and in some cases might even stop some legitimate spam (one of my mailing lists uses incorrect syntax for the "RCPT TO:").

    More effective anti-spam systems need to filter before the message has been accepted. If you wait until then, it is already too late and it is on your system. No, refusing accept delivery is much effective IMHO, and forces the MTA's further up the chain to deal with it. They shouldn't have accepted it in the first place! When you get spam, return 550 (or whatever the code is) and let the SMTP client deal with it. In an ideal world, ever provider (ISP, or free service like Yahoo) will implement stricter MTA's. If the spam rejection can be pushed far enough up the chain, life for everyone will easier.

    BTW, according to Philip Hazel (a message I recieved to a question I posed on the Exim mailing list), Exim 4 will offer much more functionality along these lines, including the invocation of C funtions after the DATA phase of the SMTP input. I guess this would be the spot to plug in Vipul's Razor, although I don't know what kind performance hit that would lead to. Mr. Hazel also pointed out that some stupid clients are in contravention of the RFC and will continue to try and delivery a message if they recieved 5xx after the DATA phase... oh well: they'll be using my bandwidth but they won't be putting any crap on my server.
  • a good idea, but... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by deander2 (26173) <public@ k e r e d . org> on Saturday December 01 2001, @01:29PM (#2641444) Homepage


    What stops the spammer from including a unique identifier in each e-mail (such as a count variable), changing the SHA for each e-mail that goes out?

    Just a thought...
  • I've managed to filter most spam (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Rikardon (116190) on Saturday December 01 2001, @01:34PM (#2641453)
    I found a clever way to defeat most spam on the webpage of an avid cyclist; unfortunately I can't remember his name or enough information about him to run a Google search and give this method proper attribution. But here goes anyway:

    The key to this method is to realize that most spam has a spoofed "To" address -- RARELY is it addressed directly to you. If you dig in the message headers, you'll usually found it was mailed (or CC'd) to a whole bunch of people at once, for obvious reasons. So you set up your mail filters thusly:

    First, set up a filter allowing any "legal" mailing lists you're on to go to your Inbox.

    Next, a filter to allow any mail sent directly to you (i.e. you@domain.com is in the To or CC lines) to go to your Inbox.

    Finally, a filter that deletes everything else.

    You'd be amazed how effective this is. Since setting this up, I only get maybe one spam message past this system every three or four months.

    Mind you, I also have my email come in via Bigfoot, which has a pretty good spam filter itself. But this has nonetheless proven quite effective.
  • Virus Detection (Score:5, Interesting)

    by doorbot.com (184378) on Saturday December 01 2001, @01:42PM (#2641465) Journal
    This seems like it would be a great method for virus detection on a non-Windows machine. For those of you who run *nix mail servers which eventually filters down to Windows clients, having a mail tagged as viral would be nice to have it be immediately denied at the server. So I'm assuming all it would take is a smart admin to tag the email as spam, and then it will propagate around to the other servers (less than 1k would transfer!).
  • Spam destruction from a pop3 users side by spagbol (Score:1) Saturday December 01 2001, @01:46PM
  • by wirefarm (18470) <jim@@@mmdc...net> on Saturday December 01 2001, @01:51PM (#2641483) Homepage
    I spent the last few days hacking together a bulk mailer in perl. I did so with a lot of sensitivity and a bit of trepidation and a lot of social engineering to my employer who wanted to put together a way to send invitations to a party via email, rather than the very expensive snail mail method that we had been using.

    This was emailed to our real customers - our 'A list'. These are the people who get invited to these parties each time - people who come and enjoy the food and drinks, no strings attached.

    But, yet, technically, it *is* bulk email and this first time, unsolicited. A very large percentage of the people responded enthusiasticly that they want to remain on the list for this, but a few (8 out of 3500) asked to be removed from the list. One guy seemed annoyed and I typed him a personal apology. (In fact, I doubt that this guy read the email before sending off his remove request.)
    What if that guy had submitted the email as spam to this system?
    In that case, the rest would miss out on coming to a good party.

    I hate spam as much as anyone on slashdot. I was asked to set up a bulk email and found that it could be done in a way that was not offensive in this case. Had it conflicted with my conscience, I would have refused.

    Maybe the system needs some sort of moderation as a filter, too. At least that would allow valid bulk email to survive one trigger-happy end-user.

    Ok, go ahead and tell me that I'm wrong in this...
    Cheers,
    Jim in Tokyo
  • OH NO!! by evilpaul13 (Score:2) Saturday December 01 2001, @01:54PM
  • how I filter spam by scrytch (Score:2) Saturday December 01 2001, @02:08PM
  • Cool... by CoolVibe (Score:1) Saturday December 01 2001, @02:15PM
  • by tgeller (10260) on Saturday December 01 2001, @02:20PM (#2641542) Homepage
    A canonical list of server-based spam filtering systems [spamcon.org] is on the SpamCon Foundation site, along with other sysadmin resources [spamcon.org].

  • by Sarin (112173) <[junglist] [at] [xs4all.nl]> on Saturday December 01 2001, @02:24PM (#2641551) Homepage Journal
    I receive about 40 spam messages in my mail account each day and I run my own mail server (qmail). Someone told me about a very basic spam stopping method. Just remove the mail-account for a couple of weeks and then reconnect it again, you should less or no spam after that period.

    I receive too much real messages in order to try this out and I think most spammers won't bother to actuall remove an email address from their database if it doesn't exist. But has someone else tried this with any luck?

    This p2p spam sounds really nice and I'm going to give it a try asap. I already "lost" an other mail-account in the flood of spam I got on it, so now it forwards all messages to msnbill@microsoft.com (microsoft domain billing address).
  • What about "good spam"? by mnordstr (Score:1) Saturday December 01 2001, @02:34PM
  • I knew my spamcollection would be useful one day by LinuxOnEveryDesktop (Score:1) Saturday December 01 2001, @02:48PM
  • Why not a histrogram filter? by javaaddikt (Score:1) Saturday December 01 2001, @03:47PM
  • Similar to DCC by bedessen (Score:2) Saturday December 01 2001, @03:56PM
  • Here's an addy by robogun (Score:1) Saturday December 01 2001, @03:57PM
  • The death of SpamCop (Score:3, Informative)

    by Animats (122034) on Saturday December 01 2001, @04:01PM (#2641812) Homepage
    I use SpamCop [spamcop.net] to filter the mail for four domains. SpamCop used to be quite effective, because it used a challenge/response system, sending new mail sources an autoreply E-mail with a URL that had to be visited before the mail was forwarded. While that's a pain for the sender, it's been 100% effective in stopping spam.

    Recently, though, SpamCop switched to a heuristic spam-filter, which is quite leaky. Not only does spam get through, messages from well-known viruses come through. It stops maybe half the spam now.

    So SpamCop is now no more effective than typical procmail filters. So there's no point in paying for SpamCop service any more.

    Anyone know of a good challenge/response alternative to SpamCop?

  • Anti-Spam with Postfix.. by That Bajan Guy (Score:1) Saturday December 01 2001, @04:45PM
  • by vipul_ved_prakash (540517) on Saturday December 01 2001, @04:48PM (#2641930) Homepage
    Hi,

    Some of you point out that Razor's use of SHA-1 signatures can be defeated by introducing randomness in the message. This is true; SHA-1 will eventually be phased out and replaced by a fuzzy hashing mechanism like nilsimsa in future. [http://lexx.shinn.net/cmeclax/nilsimsa.html] [http://www.geocrawler.com/archives/3/2539/2001/7/ 0/6173567/] The protocol is structured to aid change of hashing algorithms seamlessly, without breaking the existing system. Regarding the possibility of poisoning the database, we are working on a reputation system that will assign credit to honest reporters. Once we have a critical mass of users, it would be hard for dishonest reporters to even join the reporting network, much less be able to mount a DOS attack. Some of these issues have been discussed on the razor-users mailing list. The list archives are located at [http://www.geocrawler.com/archives/3/2539/2001/] best, vipul.

  • Not Gnutella-like at all; it's Napster-like. by jordan (Score:2) Saturday December 01 2001, @05:02PM
  • Sword and shield, bullet and armor... by burbilog (Score:1) Saturday December 01 2001, @05:04PM
  • I wouldn't trust this too much. by nstrom (Score:1) Saturday December 01 2001, @05:53PM
  • where is all of this heading? by sunhou (Score:1) Saturday December 01 2001, @06:56PM
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  • Poor use of hashing technology by SumDeusExMachina (Score:1) Saturday December 01 2001, @07:02PM
  • How about PGP signatures? by Corrado (Score:2) Saturday December 01 2001, @10:04PM
  • Other alternatives by jambalaya (Score:1) Saturday December 01 2001, @11:19PM
  • Target the *websites* by Zilch (Score:2) Sunday December 02 2001, @01:17AM
  • Another spam system by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Sunday December 02 2001, @07:21AM
  • how do I integrate this with qmail? by jshare (Score:1) Sunday December 02 2001, @11:42PM
  • Re:mail by jonathonc (Score:1) Saturday December 01 2001, @12:38PM
    • Re:mail by FrostedWheat (Score:1) Saturday December 01 2001, @01:23PM
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  • Have you looked at Hotmail's new spam filter? by wideangle (Score:1) Saturday December 01 2001, @01:14PM
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