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Online News Stories that Change Behind Your Back

Posted by Roblimo on Thu May 09, 2002 09:10 AM
from the who-controls-the-present-controls-the-past dept.
Major news Web sites routinely rewrite stories after they are published, sometimes so heavily that they only bear a glancing resemblance to what was posted earlier. This CNN/Money article about the penalty phase of the Microsoft trial is a prime example. What you see at the other end of the link is quite different from the story that first appeared at that URL. Even the headline and byline have changed. But CNN/Money managing editor Allen Wastler says there is nothing wrong with this practice, even though there is no indication on the site that the article was heavily modified after it first appeared.
To see how radically this story was changed after Slashdot linked to it, check this snapshot of the original, provided by Slashdot reader John Harrold.

The second iteration was more favorable -- or at least less unfavorable -- to Microsoft than the original, but Wastler denies any Microsoft involvement in the change. "Advertisers do not interfere with our content," he says, and notes that neither he nor any other CNN/Money editors were contacted by Microsoft about this story. He does say, though, that the later version was "more balanced" than the earlier one.

In my experience, Microsoft PR people are not capable of reacting to anything as quickly as this story changed, so the chance of a conspiracy here is about zero. As for Wastler's "more balanced" comment, that is his judgement, and you are free to agree or disagree with it. (I'm sure some Slashdot readers will say he is correct, and others will say he is not. Editorial decisions never please everyone.)

"Writethroughs" are Routine in Online News

In the news business, stories that change after the originals run are called "writethroughs." This practice originated with wire services like UPI, AP, and Reuters, who might send subscribing editors a story with the headline, "Office building on fire in downtown Cleveland," followed by one or two paragraphs of copy, with progressively longer versions of the same story coming through the wire, hour by hour, as reporters on the scene gather more information.

Wastler says CNN/Money readers look at his site "like a wire service" and expect stories to change over the course of a day. As an example, during our phone conversation he pointed me to a recently posted CNN/Money story with the headline, U.S. productivity soars, and noted that this story might be updated and expanded several times, so that "by the end of the day, it might become a magazine length feature."

Online News Association President Bruce Koon says, via email, "Writethroughs are very common nowadays among news sites, from MSNBC to CBSMarketWatch to CNN. Pretty standard practice nowadays to freshen headlines and leads as new developments occur. Some sites have labels such as 'update' or 'breaking news' but it varies. For top stories, I don't see that kind of labeling." In his day job, Koon is Executive News Editor for Knight Ridder Digital, so he ought to know.

I was not aware that this practice was routine in the online news business until a few days ago. Old-style wire service writethroughs were as specific as a rigorously kept programmer's changelog, right down to paragraph and line number. Maybe I'm naive, but if I am going to trust a news source, I expect that same level of care in story updates, or at least something like News.com's corrections page, which lets readers know what changes, if any, have been made to published stories before they are archived.

What's the Difference Between an Update and a Correction?

I doubt that most news site readers know the story they are seeing at the moment they read it is not necessarily the same as the story that was published earlier at the same URL -- unless we tell them. We run the risk of getting into the habit of "getting it first" at the expense of "getting it right" if we start thinking, "Well, we can fix it later, so let's go with what we have now even if it's not confirmed as carefully as we'd really like."

This is not the same as running a story that begins by saying something like, "An unconfirmed statement by...," followed by a later story that either confirms or denies the original statement, and it is not the same as an Update notice added to the original story when it is expanded or corrected. At CNN/Money, when a story is updated it gets a fresh time/date stamp, and Wastler says that's plenty. The problem with this is that someone reading the latest version who didn't see the previous one has no way to know that an earlier -- possibly incorrect -- version ever existed.

Columbia University journalism professor Sreenath Sreenivasan (AKA Sree) says, "You really need to make it clear to your readers if your stories have been changed or updated." He makes his students do that on Columbia's Web sites, even though some of them complain that commercial news sites, where many of them hope to work after graduation, wouldn't necessarily make them take this extra step.

Sree feels strongly that if a Web site changes a news story, for whatever reason, it should put, "'last updated at' or something like that" along with the original publication time and date.

More Analysis of the CNN/Money Story Example

Andrew Nachison, of the American Press Institute's Media Center, took a close look at our original CNN/Money example and gave us this analysis:

The Microsoft trial story on CNN looks like a typical write-thru of an earlier story, with new information from afternoon events. The morning's top news, that a Microsoft witness had trouble answering some questions, got bumped lower in the story as other witnesses testified later in the day. On its face, no big deal.

However, CNN did a disservice to its audience - especially the audience paying close attention to that particular story - by failing to explain the changes. A brief note would have helped, or a link to a journal of update notes for the story, so users - like newspaper wire editors - could, in a glance, understand how the story had changed from previous versions.

Something else would have helped CNN's audience: if CNN had an obvious, standard policy for publishing update notes that the audience expected and was used to.

What's most remarkable to me is that we're well into the digital publishing era but most digital news providers have yet to develop clear standards for how to handle updates and notes about updates so users are better informed. Publishers need to do this for two reasons: first, to better serve their audiences (which should translate into credibility with the audience) and second, to promote expectations and standards that audiences can come to expect of all credible news providers.

Errors that require corrections add a whole different level of challenge to digital publishing. Today it's virtually impossible to erase a mistake once it's published online. Web browsers call up cached versions stored on hard drives, some sites intentionally archive Web sites for historical research, and Internet service providers like AOL cache popular pages to speed service to customers. So AOL customers may hit a cached version of a story that contains errors corrected in a subsequent version that has yet to be cached by the AOL servers.

If online news publishers truly have their audience's best interests in mind then they should go out of their way to alert the audience to corrections and to make it clear when an update corrects previously published errors. They need to set the record straight.

University of Florida journalism professor Mindy McAdams has also looked at our example story. She says:

Updating the story in real time without noting that it has been changed: That's okay by me, in principle. But in this case, it's really very different.

I would be inclined to believe the Money.CNN folks who told you it's no big deal -- for them. In other words, I do NOT believe it's sneaky or anything like that.

But for the rest of the world (non-journalists), this MUST be very confusing!

I asked Wastler if CNN/Money had ever thought about archiving older story versions as new ones appeared, and linking from the new versions to the older, archived ones. He said, "The name of the game is speed, getting [stories] up on the site." He talked of the sheer number of stories a site like his publishes daily, and how loading any more work on his editorial staff, like moving old story versions to an archive, "would bog things down." I pointed out that this was something a simple script could do with a single "replace story/move old story to archive" click from an editor, and his reply was, "Well, I am not as technical as you... I don't know about that."

(This was not a hostile conversation. Wastler reads Slashdot now and then and likes it, and says, "My tech guys love Slashdot." Perhaps one of you Slashdot-reading CNN tech guys could talk to Wastler and other CNN editors about automatic story versioning. Wastler said that because of syndication deals and inbound links, his main concern was keeping a stable URL for each story even if went through a series of updates. This should not be hard to arrange.)

Future Directions for Online News

In a followup email, Bruce Koon said the idea of constant story updates on the Internet should not surprise anyone. His exact words:

How is the model different from TV or radio broadcast news? As news gets reported as it's happening, facts are going to change, new developments are happening. If anything, we've been trying to get newspapers away from this notion that they print once. The Internet is about continuous updates and reporting.

Also, unlike Slashdot or other new forms of information gathering and reporting, news audiences only go to a news site a few times a day to read what the latest news is. Most seem to know that the version of the story they're reading now is different from what they read before, just as they know the top of the hour report on the radio news may be different from what they heard two hours earlier.

Based on Koon's statement, the long term question seems to be whether Internet news evolution should be based on a broadcast model, with broadcast-style immediacy as its most important goal, or whether it should be based on a print model that assumes we are writing the "first rough draft of history" so that what we say today has archival significance tomorrow.

I think the two patterns are going to coexist, and rather than "convergence" we are going to see a gradual divergence between the two as "Internet news" simply becomes "news" instead of being seen as different or separate from other media. Watching how readers (viewers?) react to this change (assuming they notice it at all) over the next decade or so is going to be interesting.

A big part of the change is going to be figuring out how to maintain audience trust when it is so easy to digitally morph stories, pictures and almost anything else into states that are far different from their original ones. As Nachison points out, despite the apparently transitory nature of online news, nothing on the Internet ever quite goes away. It is all archived or cached somewhere once it gets into digital form, whether it was originally prepared for delivery on the Internet, on printed pages or for cable or over-the-air broadcast.

Professor Sreenivasan says, "We're all in the early days of this business. We need to evolve standards."

That we do. But is the "we" who evolves standards going to be the people who read (or view) the news or is "we" going to be the people who produce it? And that leads to another question: Where will we draw the line between reporters and readers/viewers, or will we even bother to differentiate between them, when PDAs with broadband wireless connections and built-in digital video cameras become common, everyday consumer items?

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  • This is not a newspaper by fluor2 (Score:1) Thursday May 09 2002, @09:13AM
  • Sometimes, I think we need a primer by Software (Score:1) Thursday May 09 2002, @09:13AM
  • Well... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by JimPooley (150814) on Thursday May 09 2002, @09:13AM (#3490265) Homepage
    And this, kiddies, is why traditional media is best. You can't go back and change yesterday's newspapers.
  • by Vodak (119225) on Thursday May 09 2002, @09:14AM (#3490271) Homepage
    story changing constantly without making note of it... sounds hella like 1984 to me.
  • I dislike most new sources for this reason. by danheskett (Score:2) Thursday May 09 2002, @09:15AM
  • Not all news services... (Score:3, Informative)

    by PoiBoy (525770) <brian@pMENCKENoi ... com minus author> on Thursday May 09 2002, @09:15AM (#3490284) Homepage
    If you subscribe to news wires such as Bloomberg, Reuters, Dow Jones, AP, etc. if a story is revised the title usually indicates that, and the first few paragraphs of the article mention what was changed from previous versions.

    As far as websites, if you read, for example, the business news feeds on finance.yahoo.com you will see exactly the same thing.

    I guess it's more just a matter of convenience for consumer-oriented websites to ignore the details.

  • 1984 reference yet again (Score:5, Interesting)

    by SealBeater (143912) on Thursday May 09 2002, @09:16AM (#3490287) Homepage
    Same thing happened in Orwell's 1984. Say what you want, mod me as you like,
    but that was one of the central ideas of the book, news articles, etc, being
    changed after the fact. If you went back and did any research, you would find
    that the news agency/authority in charge of information was always right.
    In more mundane terms, you really have to wonder about a news agency that
    changes it's story and doesn't even post a retraction.

    SealBeater
    • Re:1984 reference yet again by Xenopax (Score:2) Thursday May 09 2002, @09:36AM
    • Re:1984 reference yet again by jeffy124 (Score:2) Thursday May 09 2002, @09:41AM
    • Re:1984 reference yet again by iangoldby (Score:2) Thursday May 09 2002, @09:45AM
    • Re:1984 reference yet again by p3d0 (Score:1) Thursday May 09 2002, @10:32AM
    • Just wait for DMCA by jmv (Score:2) Thursday May 09 2002, @10:46AM
    • Re:1984 reference yet again (Score:5, Informative)

      by jibs (117987) on Thursday May 09 2002, @11:06AM (#3491045) Homepage
      'Who controls the past,' ran the Party slogan, 'controls
      the future: who controls the present controls the past.' And
      yet the past, though of its nature alterable, never had been
      altered. Whatever was true now was true from everlasting to
      everlasting. It was quite simple. All that was needed was an
      unending series of victories over your own memory. 'Reality
      control', they called it: in Newspeak, 'doublethink'
      - George Orwell's "1984" http://www.online-literature.com/orwell/1984/

      Should History Record the Unvarnished Bush?
      http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articl es/A565 56-2002Apr15.html

      By Dana Milbank
      Tuesday, April 16, 2002; Page A17

      Last Tuesday was one for the presidential blooper reel.

      At a speech in Bridgeport, Conn., President Bush declared that he wanted each American to volunteer for "4,000 years," a variation of his usual call for "4,000 hours" that produced guffaws in the audience. Later, at a fundraiser, Bush bestowed a new name on Connecticut's lieutenant governor, Jodi Rell. "I appreciate Lieutenant Governor Judi Kell for being here," he said. "Great to see you again, Judi."

      Whatever, says Cathleen Hinsch, a spokeswoman for Rell. "You don't correct the president."

      But the White House does. Both goofs, and accompanying laughter, were stricken from the record -- deus ex machina -- in the official White House transcripts.

      A similar sanitizing occurred the day before, in Knoxville, Tenn., when Bush was interrupted by hecklers shouting about Enron and the counterterrorism campaign -- an unusual occurrence noted in news accounts of the speech. Federal News Service, a private organization, transcribed the boos, shouts and cheers, along with the president's struggle to deliver his lines:

      [PRESIDENT BUSH]: I've come to highlight what works, so others around the country, if they're interested in --

      MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE: (Chanting.) (Inaudible.)

      PRESIDENT BUSH: -- if you're interested --

      MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE: (Chanting.) (Inaudible.)

      PRESIDENT BUSH: -- if you're interested in doing what is right to encourage your citizens to become involved -- (chanting continues from the audience) -- and so I want to thank the city of Knoxville, Tennessee, for showing Americans -- (chanting continues from the audience) -- for showing Americans how best to help their communities. (Cheers, applause.)

      The official White House transcript made no mention of the hecklers or Bush's false starts.

      The opposition sees a Soviet-style move to airbrush infelicitous phrases. "These transcripts are done for near-term history as well as long-term history and it's a real problem if they start rewriting them," said Joe Lockhart, a former press secretary for President Bill Clinton. "The White House is rewriting history."

      Lockhart said the Clinton administration never cleaned up transcripts except to correct spelling, but veteran correspondents recall the practice occurring in both Democratic and GOP administrations. Lockhart's predecessor, Mike McCurry, said he gave White House stenographers "some leeway" to repair verbal abuses, including the task of "restoring 'g' to the English language" when Clinton's accent deleted the sound.

      On Capitol Hill, lawmakers routinely "revise and extend" their remarks in the Congressional Record.

      Still, lawmakers do not benefit from the sort of real-time foot-noting available to a president. In Missouri last month, Bush expressed his desire for "making the death tax permanent." The White House transcript placed an asterisk next to the blooper and a footnote saying "should read 'death tax repeal.' "

      In February, Bush baffled some listeners when he said he had spoken with the Japanese prime minister about "the devaluation issue" and told Japan's parliament the United States and Japan had been allies "for a century and a half." Asterisks in the official transcript indicated Bush meant to say "deflation" and "half a century."

      The most public allegation of transcript sanitizing was last September, when White House press secretary Ari Fleischer warned that Americans "need to watch what they say." The phrase did not at first appear in the White House transcript.

      The White House stenographers are respected professionals employed by a private contractor. Marshall Jorpeland of the National Court Reporters Association said the stenographers would not independently veer from verbatim. "When people hire us they expect a word-for-word account," he said. "In terms of cleaning it up on their own, I don't think they'd do that without that being the guidance."

      So are Bush aides providing "guidance"?

      White House spokeswoman Anne Womack noted that the transcripts have at times included hecklers and Bush-coined words such as "misunderestimated." "We view the transcripts as a historical record of the presidency," she said. "We expect accuracy and commend the stenographers for their excellent work."

      Cleaning quotes can be hazardous. Recently, a White House transcript had Bush talking about stock options that "earn the money," when in fact the president had correctly used the Wall Street jargon "in the money." The confusion prompted an incorrect news report that Bush was shifting policy. In this case, Bush was better left unscrubbed.

      © 2002 The Washington Post Company
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    • Re:1984 reference yet again by inKubus (Score:2) Thursday May 09 2002, @07:37PM
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  • maybe slashdot should do this by Pave Low (Score:1) Thursday May 09 2002, @09:16AM
  • Isn't this the point? by 00_NOP (Score:1) Thursday May 09 2002, @09:18AM
  • Of course its wrong by dalassa (Score:2) Thursday May 09 2002, @09:19AM
  • This is fairly amusing... by gamorck (Score:1) Thursday May 09 2002, @09:20AM
    • Re:This is fairly amusing... by bwhaley (Score:2) Thursday May 09 2002, @09:44AM
    • Re:This is fairly amusing... by evilpenguin (Score:1) Thursday May 09 2002, @09:47AM
      • Read the Fucking FAQ by KilljoyAZ (Score:3) Thursday May 09 2002, @10:02AM
      • Re:This is fairly amusing... by wiredog (Score:1) Thursday May 09 2002, @10:06AM
      • Re:This is fairly amusing... (Score:4, Interesting)

        by nyet (19118) on Thursday May 09 2002, @11:12AM (#3491087) Homepage
        People have already pointed you to the FAQ, but I figured I would paste this [slashdot.org] link of one of the worst thread bitchslappings.

        Even better, this thread is now locked so you can no longer post to it.

        There were MANY insightful comments in that thread, but the editors chose to -1 all of it anyway, in effect "revising" history; their excuse being that the thread was "offtopic". Interesting isn't it? Some of the *best* discussions on /. are offtopic, and many completely offtopic posts get rated 5's regularly. Why? Because we, as readers, find some offtopic posts interesting and informative. Whether an entire thread is offtopic or not is up to us. /.'s moderating goals should be to simply clear obvious abuses and hacking attempts, not to derail an entire thread out of spite.

        The reason *that* particular thread was bitchslapped is abundantly clear. Go read it for yourself, and decide.

        And if *THIS* post is deemed offtopic by the editors, you can bet on me losing whatever respect I had left for /.

        Sure, bitchslapping isn't OUTRIGHT censorship, but enough people assume (like the parent poster) that the editors don't mod on such a virulent, malicious scale that in effect, a -1 is almost as bad as real censorship, given the number of us that *DEPEND* on the readership's judgement on what is a good post and what isn't. If what /. does isn't at least double-think (and not outright censorship), it is, at best, very misleading and disengenous.
        [ Parent ]
      • Re:This is fairly amusing... by jdavidb (Score:2) Thursday May 09 2002, @10:09AM
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      • Re:This is fairly amusing... by evilpenguin (Score:1) Thursday May 09 2002, @10:12AM
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    • Re:This is fairly amusing... by jdavidb (Score:1) Thursday May 09 2002, @10:07AM
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  • Sensationalism by Renraku (Score:1) Thursday May 09 2002, @09:20AM
  • Oh really? (Score:4, Funny)

    by toupsie (88295) on Thursday May 09 2002, @09:20AM (#3490330) Homepage
    Slashdot. Pot. Kettle. Black. Rinse. Repeat.
    • Re:Oh really? by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Thursday May 09 2002, @09:31AM
      • Re:Oh really? by anthony_dipierro (Score:2) Thursday May 09 2002, @10:28AM
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    • Re:Oh really? by pmz (Score:2) Thursday May 09 2002, @10:08AM
  • Perhaps it because... by csguy314 (Score:1) Thursday May 09 2002, @09:21AM
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  • morning evening by Bubba-T (Score:1) Thursday May 09 2002, @09:22AM
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  • TV vs Newspaper (Score:5, Insightful)

    by jefferson (95937) on Thursday May 09 2002, @09:23AM (#3490354) Homepage
    I can understand why CNN thinks this is no big deal. CNN was (and is) primarily a TV news station. On TV news, there is no archive or changelog for writethroughs: the copy gets rewritten, and the reporter or anchor reads it on the air. The only way you notice the changes is if you happened to see a previous version of the story earlier in the day.

    CNN obviously sees the web as a translation of their TV news business, rather than as a translation of a print-news wire service business, so to them it seems fine! To them the web is a transient medium, like TV, not a fixed medium like print.

    Of course, at first glance this seems fine, until linking of stories factors into the equation.

    Of course, there are technological solutions to this, but getting CNN to adopt them could be a challenge, because it means converting them from a TV mindset to a print mindset.

  • Pet Peeves with News Services by DarkBlack (Score:1) Thursday May 09 2002, @09:25AM
  • What's the problem? by SpinyNorman (Score:2) Thursday May 09 2002, @09:25AM
  • Until 9/11, CNN was different... (Score:5, Informative)

    by Etcetera (14711) <[cleaver] [at] [rohan.sdsu.edu]> on Thursday May 09 2002, @09:25AM (#3490366) Homepage

    Prior to the immediately-updating news requirements caused by the 9/11 attacks, CNN had a very reasonable method for dealing with this.

    The initial story created had an URL like http://www.cnn.com/2000/books/news/07/07/harrypott er.preps/ [cnn.com] while the next "revision" would have http://www.cnn.com/2000/books/news/07/07/harrypott er.preps.02/ [cnn.com] and so on...

    A very good system IMO which allowed one to link to a specific version of an article, and allowed the reader to see the progress and revisions of a story if they were smart enough to notice the numbers at the top. As long as their internal database stayed up to date, the front page always linked to the latest version.

    During and after 9/11, articles were updated so frequently that the major stories (on all news sites) became "newest information" pages rather than articles per-se. Since then, I've noticed hardly any articles posted using the old systems, with revisions now being made in place.

    CNN please bring back the old method! It made sense and was a fair method of dealing with this issue!
  • You know what they say about the Internet... by Hydro-X (Score:2) Thursday May 09 2002, @09:26AM
  • Attn: Slashdot by larry bagina (Score:1) Thursday May 09 2002, @09:27AM
  • Volatile by noz (Score:1) Thursday May 09 2002, @09:27AM
  • I've seen slashdot do it! by FearUncertaintyDoubt (Score:1) Thursday May 09 2002, @09:27AM
  • So what's the problem, again? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Patman (32745) <(pmgeahan-slashd ... (thepatcave.org)> on Thursday May 09 2002, @09:28AM (#3490383) Homepage

    I read both versions. The first was skewed heavily towards the performance of one witness in the trial.
    The second was a much more well-reasoned discussion of the case as a whole vs. one tiny piece of it.

    So what's the problem? The second story seems to be better-written and easier to read, and contains more information.

    It's not like they changed the facts of the story; just the scope and the level of detail.

    As an aside, does anyone else find it funny that a site that claims to be "News for Nerds", yet claims they shouldn't be handle to any journalistic standards, thinks that they have the right to call other news services on minor issues like this? At least those folks are trying.

  • More disturbing... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Archie Steel (539670) on Thursday May 09 2002, @09:28AM (#3490385)
    ...are (admittedly controversial) articles that are posted on a major news web site, then taken off a few days later, like this one [1accesshost.com], or this other one [democrats.com]. This is a dangerous trend, and asks a sensitive question: why "remove" stories instead of putting out counter-arguments? Freedom of speech has it that you can say anything (almost: libel and slander are not acceptable), but anyone can challenge what you say by bringing their own arguments to the discussion. Too often, though, the american media silences alternative viewpoints by excluding them from the debate, so that the public doesn't even know they existe. Case in point: how come Chomsky hasn't been invited to present his views about the 9/11 events on television? If his arguments are so weak as the conservative pundits claim, why not simply try to prove him wrong on the air? Well, there's a good answer to that: they can't, and they know it. So they just ignore his existence altogether, and immediately try to discredit him (without ever challenging his arguments) whenever he is mentioned. Quite revealing...
  • Salon.com does it, too by e40 (Score:1) Thursday May 09 2002, @09:28AM
  • In Oldspeak by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Thursday May 09 2002, @09:28AM
  • Legal ramifications by MdeG (Score:1) Thursday May 09 2002, @09:30AM
  • Happens a lot in sport stories by gambit3 (Score:2) Thursday May 09 2002, @09:31AM
  • For finally showing slashdot what it takes to create a real news story. While I do find it amusing that slashdot engages in the same practices that you seem to rebel against here, I think its actually quite impressive that:

    (1) Actual research was done by a slashdot employee for this article. Roblimo actually took the time to call a CNN employee and allow them to confirm/deny the allegations at hand.

    (2) Roblimo doesnt appear to jump to any "off the wall" conspiracy conclusions as some editors here have been known to do. He leaves that for the comment posters to do :-)

    (3) The article is very balanced all in all. I think Roblimo is attempting to present both sides of the story and give the reader a chance to make up his own mind. Now that is true journalism.

    In short thank your Roblimo for helping to raise the bar here at /. I can only hope that the other editors learn from your example and attempt to follow suit.

    J
    • by selan (234261) on Thursday May 09 2002, @10:06AM (#3490616) Journal
      I have to admit I don't understand why so many people consider /. to be "journalism".

      The majority of /. stories are links to news, features, rumors, innuendo, etc. originating elsewhere on the web. Some links are to legitimate news stories and others are less so. The "editors" merely post links that they find interesting and add their own purely subjective opinions (they've never claimed to be objective). Then we all comment and discuss amongst ourselves.

      The only /. stories that are actually original journalism are the features [slashdot.org], including this one by Roblimo and, yes, JonKatz's articles. So if it's real journalism you want, read JonKatz.

      [ Parent ]
    • hear hear by Lord Omlette (Score:2) Thursday May 09 2002, @11:22AM
      • Re:hear hear by Canar (Score:1) Thursday May 09 2002, @08:57PM
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  • Proof every news site can be guilty... by reparteeist (Score:1) Thursday May 09 2002, @09:32AM
  • slashdot leads the pack by tps12 (Score:1) Thursday May 09 2002, @09:33AM
  • Even Slashdot is guilty of this (*GASP!*) by pomakis (Score:2) Thursday May 09 2002, @09:34AM
  • Even the headline and byline changed... by stevenprentice (Score:1) Thursday May 09 2002, @09:37AM
  • Newspapers Change (Score:4, Informative)

    by maggard (5579) <michael@michaelmaggard.com> on Thursday May 09 2002, @09:38AM (#3490448) Homepage Journal
    There seems to be this assumption that what I read in "Mytown Daily Tattler" is the same as you do - it isn't.

    Many papers (larger ones) have a series of runs that are printed at varying times. There are also often local editions. Thus I may get the early-am run and you might get the late morning one. Or I may get the downtown edition and you the suburban.

    Any of these papers might vary from the others. The story "Sun Rises" might become "Sun Rises Brightly". Or it might be replaced with "Grass Grows" or something else completely different.

    No, what you've read or clipped out doesn't magically go back and erase or rewrite itself but it is also quite possibly not the same as everyone else in the classroom / office / nursing home read.

    I agree a versioning system would be great for newpspers. Heck, many (incl. large ones like the Boston Globe) lack stable URLS for daily stories for the move from current to archived.

    I also respect that this additionial material would be likely disturb readers who prefer their news solid and immutable and would be unhappy to see the changes a story they're reading has gone through. Seeing how the facts evolve and the wroters tone changes, perhaps dramatically.

    And yes there is the problem of links pointing to stale versions of a story, the extra material to be stored, indexed, & archived, etc.

    Versioning is a good idea and one I've heard brought up many times but to date the practice seems to follow the print style. Declare the last edition of a run the definitive one, the final version of a story the actual story.

  • Not the first time... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by thumbtack (445103) <thumbtack.juno@com> on Thursday May 09 2002, @09:39AM (#3490453)
    The following took place on the tube, not the web: After the Space Shuttle Challenger blew up, killing the crew and school teacher Chirsta McAuliffe, I saw a news story several times on Headline News where a particular insurance company had issued a 1 Million Dollar policy to her, and would now have to pay off on it. It just so happened that my ex was the executive secretary to the president of the company. I spoke with her by phone shortly after seeing the story, and mentioned it to her. She totally freaked out, "How did you know that?" That's not public knowledge!". I told her I saw it on CNN Headline News, She made a rapid exit and promised she would call me back in a little while. The insurance company concentrated on business insurance and usually didn't handle individual policies. She called back about an hour later thanking me for the heads up. The story never appeared again. I asked her about it and all she would say was "It was handled."
  • Huh!?! by burnsy (Score:1) Thursday May 09 2002, @09:39AM
  • Paperless office? by Asprin (Score:1) Thursday May 09 2002, @09:40AM
  • What's the deal? by jdavidb (Score:2) Thursday May 09 2002, @09:43AM
  • So that's why... by PunchMonkey (Score:1) Thursday May 09 2002, @09:45AM
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  • slash? by jeffy124 (Score:1) Thursday May 09 2002, @09:46AM
  • You mean some people read the same story again? by mwood (Score:1) Thursday May 09 2002, @09:47AM
  • Versioning on the web by lightray (Score:2) Thursday May 09 2002, @09:49AM
  • The articles are totally different by HalB (Score:1) Thursday May 09 2002, @09:54AM
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  • One who controls the past, controls the future... by WetCat (Score:1) Thursday May 09 2002, @09:55AM
  • I fail to see what the big deal is. by saider (Score:2) Thursday May 09 2002, @09:55AM
  • It's not wrong, but it's not good by iabervon (Score:2) Thursday May 09 2002, @09:55AM
  • funnily enough by K. (Score:2) Thursday May 09 2002, @09:57AM
  • Minor or major issue? by rusty0101 (Score:2) Thursday May 09 2002, @10:01AM
  • Explanation of confusion by Tyreth (Score:1) Thursday May 09 2002, @10:01AM
  • Excellent story, Roblimo. by Futurepower(R) (Score:2) Thursday May 09 2002, @10:08AM
  • so this voids using netnews sites for research? by leroy152 (Score:1) Thursday May 09 2002, @10:14AM
  • Samething with the spacejunk story from CNN. by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Thursday May 09 2002, @10:16AM
  • writethroughs and changing the story is that the writethoughs are _obvious_ and you get get old versions. Sometimes I work with AP write stories and if its been written through its in the titile so a story that start out as "HOUSE FIRE IN CT" changes to "HOUSE FIRE IN CT 2nd Writethough". Not only changes, but a new story shows up. So you can still get all the old verisons.

    This cnn business sounds more like changing the story beacuse of editorial pressue.
  • thats what you get... by night_flyer (Score:2) Thursday May 09 2002, @10:21AM
  • Changing history by YanceyAI (Score:1) Thursday May 09 2002, @10:23AM
  • I would rather have some articles just pulled... by Denium (Score:1) Thursday May 09 2002, @10:30AM
  • Try the Arizona Republic by Boomer2 (Score:1) Thursday May 09 2002, @10:43AM
  • Google to the rescue? by Ed Avis (Score:2) Thursday May 09 2002, @10:46AM
  • SLASHDOT did this exact thing!!!! by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Thursday May 09 2002, @10:46AM
  • Remember June 2001? by cperciva (Score:2) Thursday May 09 2002, @10:46AM
  • Wouldn't it be nice if... by neo (Score:2) Thursday May 09 2002, @10:52AM
  • washingtonpost.com (Score:4, Informative)

    by EReidJ (551124) on Thursday May 09 2002, @11:03AM (#3491022) Homepage
    I just want to make a note on this board that washingtonpost.com never does this. They assign each article a unique identifier, and that article lives forever in that database with that identifier. Corrections to the article are always appended with a "Corrections" box attached to the article, the article is never changed (except for superficial, editing changes) after the article is published. Currently, all articles that have been bookmarked are readable, all the way back to 1986.

    Permanence in URL's: It's got to be the media's promise to everyone.

  • Ethical Journalism (Score:3, Interesting)

    by ChaoticCoyote (195677) on Thursday May 09 2002, @11:12AM (#3491089) Homepage

    Modifying an article after publication is acceptable -- and it's a Good Thing if the revision fixes errors or omissions.

    Modifying an article and not telling anyone is a Bad Thing called a "lie."

    A case in point: Yesterday, I posted a benchmark comparison [coyotegulch.com] of Intel's "non-commercial" C++ compiler and gcc. Several people gave me suggestions for improving gcc's performance, and I updated the article today -- with clearly marked additions and explanations of what changed and why. That's journalism on the web.

    What CNET is doing is called lying.

  • Just cache everything you read forever by wayne (Score:1) Thursday May 09 2002, @11:15AM
  • Pipe bomb by BrookHarty (Score:2) Thursday May 09 2002, @11:18AM
  • What's the big deal? And why? by 5KVGhost (Score:2) Thursday May 09 2002, @11:21AM
  • Credibility by tsg (Score:1) Thursday May 09 2002, @11:34AM
  • by guttentag (313541) on Thursday May 09 2002, @11:50AM (#3491380) Journal
    It's not just MSNBC and CNN. Slashdot favorite washingtonpost.com has been doing this for years.

    Here's How It Works

    Unless things have changed drastically since I worked there, there are half a dozen people in Arlington, VA right now who spend the majority of their day watching the wire services for updates, posting updated stories and sometimes adding information (in which case the byline is changed to something to the effect of "Compiled from staff and wire reports").

    Some stories may be updated five times or more in a single day, but many get stale before they can be updated so the Post stops linking to them. A classic case of a story that is constantly updated is the market summary. AP and Reuters run this story each morning and update it as things develop (updates include a new snapshot of the Dow and the Nasdaq, highlight any major announcements/reports that may have affected the tide of the markets, etc.) about once an hour, IIRC.

    If the Post expects people will be following a particular story throughout the day, the site will highlight the fact that it's been updated. Any time they update a story, they change the time stamp. If you're following a story, take note of the time stamp and you'll always know if you're looking at an updated version (I'm sure Slashdot readers would prefer a changelog, but newspapers aren't software development houses and they are very resistant to change).

    No Conspiracy Here

    There's no conspiracy here to change facts behind your back or cover up mistakes. It's about ensuring that you always have the most up-to-date information when you visit the site. Here's the deal:

    When The Washington Post is physically printed each morning, it's distributed to hundreds of thousands of locations. Some quickly find their way to recycling bins and trash cans, but others may sit in people's offices or homes for months. More importantly, libraries archive the papers and they are provided to the public indefinitely as reference material.

    The Web, OTOH, is a dynamic medium where few things have a long shelf life. Most content on washingtonpost.com is no longer linked to within 24 hours, and the actual HTML page disappears after two weeks unless it's designated as long-term content. The searchable archives consist of stories that have been printed in the physical paper, and if a change is made to a print edition article, it is noted with a correction.

    And now you know enough about the online news biz to get a part-time job updating the news digest. All that remains is some basic HTML knowledge and a tutorial about proprietary Web publishing systems (news judgment skills optional).

  • This isn't new by Mr. Foogle (Score:1) Thursday May 09 2002, @11:51AM
  • Archive.org tracks content changes by Animats (Score:2) Thursday May 09 2002, @11:57AM
  • The golden lesson is..... by Fuzzums (Score:1) Thursday May 09 2002, @12:11PM
  • Changes in front of your nose? by sharkey (Score:1) Thursday May 09 2002, @12:20PM
  • This is not unique to "online" media by shren (Score:2) Thursday May 09 2002, @12:23PM
  • Linking to Google Cache by gnovos (Score:2) Thursday May 09 2002, @01:24PM
  • Um.. by entrigant (Score:1) Thursday May 09 2002, @01:31PM
  • What is really annoying by Werelock (Score:1) Thursday May 09 2002, @01:34PM
  • The wrong problem by jajuka (Score:2) Thursday May 09 2002, @01:42PM
  • Newspapers do this all the time -- solution? by blackwizard (Score:2) Thursday May 09 2002, @02:33PM
  • RealNetworks buys DOJ by hackwrench (Score:1) Thursday May 09 2002, @02:40PM
  • If you save a local copy and archive it... by Junior J. Junior III (Score:2) Thursday May 09 2002, @04:45PM
  • Revolving Door by n4zgl (Score:1) Thursday May 09 2002, @04:56PM
  • Re: Re:This is fairly amusing by n4zgl (Score:1) Thursday May 09 2002, @05:07PM
  • History is being rewritten, every day by surfcow (Score:1) Thursday May 09 2002, @06:09PM
  • Online reporting should be like a logfile by NewtonsLaw (Score:2) Thursday May 09 2002, @06:40PM
  • Money.CNN - go check out Forbes by Herbst (Score:1) Thursday May 09 2002, @06:47PM
  • More Roblimo, less everyone else by PD (Score:2) Friday May 10 2002, @12:57AM
  • bend.com is notorious for this by Kymermosst (Score:2) Friday May 10 2002, @02:28AM
  • I worked for a newspaper; this is BAD practice! by wessman (Score:1) Friday May 10 2002, @11:10AM
  • 1984 again... by galacticdruid (Score:1) Friday May 10 2002, @01:46PM
  • site's purpose needs to be clear by blisspix (Score:1) Monday May 20 2002, @12:10AM
  • Re:eh? by Dante_H (Score:2) Thursday May 09 2002, @09:34AM
  • Dewey Defeats Truman! by AjR (Score:1) Thursday May 09 2002, @10:49AM
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