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Satellite Radio: Tune In or Turn Off?

Posted by timothy on Wed Dec 12, 2001 12:15 PM
from the pay-your-monthly-fee-please dept.
Steve MacLaughlin writes: "After nearly a decade of buildup and anticipation satellite radio has finally hit the airwaves. By now you've probably seen a commercial or read an article about the digital satellite radio service. But what is behind all the hype? And does satellite radio have a viable future? To answer those questions Saltire decided to take an in-depth look at the new service's inner-workings, its potential, and its possible future." Read on for more of Steve's look at the current options and future possibilities for satellite radio service.

Satellite radio has been a technology in the making for many years now. In 1992, the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) assigned part of the S-band (2.3 GHz) spectrum for nationwide broadcasting of a satellite-based Digital Audio Radio Service (DARS). In 1997, the FCC granted American Mobile Radio (now XM Satellite Radio) and CD Radio (now Sirius Satellite Radio) broadcast rights over that band. After several years of tinkering, courting investors and partners, and lining up their content these two companies are poised to finally make satellite radio a reality.

The Players
XM Satellite Radio (NASDQ: XMSR) and Sirius Satellite Radio (NASDQ: SIRI) paid an estimated $80 million each for their exclusive distribution rights to satellite radio. With numerous industry partners and investors these two companies are hoping to become the next giants of the media world.

Washington, D.C. based XM Radio launched nationwide service on November 12, 2001, after two months of regional service. XM Radio currently offers 100 channels (71 music and 29 news, sports, talk, and children's programming). XM Radio has exclusive content relationships with C/NET, NASCAR, and others. XM Radio's most notable auto industry partner is General Motors. Cadillac now offers XM Radio standard on all new 2002 Sevilles and Devilles. XM Radio's service is available for a monthly subscription fee of $9.99.

New York City based Sirius Radio plans to launch their service in Denver, Houston, and Phoenix on February 14, 2002. A Sirius Radio spokesperson told Saltire that their service will be available nationwide by the third-quarter of 2002. Sirius Radio also offers 100 channels (60 commercial-free music and 40 news, sports, talk, and entertainment programming). Sirius Radio has exclusive content relationships with NPR, Hispanic Radio Network, and National Lampoon. Sirius Radio also has exclusive partnerships with DaimlerChrysler, Ford, and BMW. Sirius Radio's service is available for a monthly subscription fee of $12.95.

Although XM Radio and Sirius Radio have their distinct differences there are however some things that that they both share in common. Both services offer similar music channel genres. The big difference being that all of Sirius Radio's music channels are commercial-free as opposed to only about 30 such channels on XM Radio. Both services also share several news and entertainment providers like Bloomberg, CNBC, CNN, ESPN, and the Weather Channel.

XM Radio and Sirius Radio have also partnered with many of the same manufacturing partners including Alpine, Clarion, Delphi Delco, Panasonic, Pioneer, Sony, and Visteon. One very exciting product is Sony's "Plug and Play" DRN-XM01 model that works in both your car and home stereo system through the use of a $150 adapter kit. The two companies have also teamed up with similar retailers to help distribute satellite radio receivers, antennas, and other devices. These retailers include Best Buy, Circuit City, Crutchfield, Good Guys, and Tweeter.

Just The Facts
According to the Radio Advertising Bureau, 75% of all Americans age 12 and up listen to radio daily, and 95% listen every week. But their choices are almost always very limited. Consider the fact that more than 22 million listeners receive fewer than five FM stations, and the communications industry firm Veronis, Suhler & Associates noted that 50% of all existing radio stations only use one of three programming formats (Adult Contemporary, Country, and News/Talk/Sports).

In many cases, huge segments of the music industry get little or no coverage by mainstream radio. One study indicated that up to 21% of annual music sales come from these totally ignored formats. This is especially true of ethnic music formats like African, Asian, Caribbean, or Hispanic. Combine this with the fact that more than 105 million listeners live outside the 50 largest radio markets and you quickly realize satellite radio's potential appeal.

Too Much Information
XM Radio uses two Boeing HS-702 satellites that are positioned over the East and West Coasts of the United States. The satellites, aptly named "Rock" and "Roll", maintain a geostationary orbit at 22,000 miles above the earth. XM Radio has a third back-up satellite on the ground should something go wrong in orbit.

Sirius Radio uses three Space Systems/Loral 1300 satellites in a high altitude elliptical orbit. Sirius Radio contends that this ensures that each satellite will spend about 16 hours a day over the U.S., and that at least one satellite is over the country at all times. Sirius Radio also has a back-up satellite standing by just in case of problems.

Both companies transmit their signal on the S-band, at 12.5 MHz to radio receivers on the ground. Sirius Radio will use the in the 2320.0 to 2332.5 MHz frequency band. XM Radio already uses the 2332.5 to 2345.0 MHz frequency band. They will also use repeaters in urban areas where buildings and other obstructions may interfere with signal reception.

One On One
Saltire interviewed Chance Patterson, XM Radio's Vice President of Corporate Affairs, to get his take on satellite radio.

  • Saltire - What are some of the key differences between XM Radio and Sirius Radio?
    CP - The biggest difference is that we have a fully developed and deployed system. We have a proven product that's great, and we developed the system with a retail focus, not just limited to the car. But we're not just an audio service. We've recruited the best people in the industry. These people really make our content come alive.

    Saltire - What will it take for XM Radio to succeed financially?
    CP - We figure that we need 4.5 million subscribers to be profitable. There are more than 200 million registered vehicles in the United States. So we need less than 2.5% of all cars to reach that figure. And this doesn't take into account people who only use it in the home. We think the demand is definitely there.

    Saltire - How important is the auto industry to XM Radio's success?
    CP - They are a part of it for sure. We have a full OEM (Original Equipment Manufacturer) system. We have partnered with GM, and they are also an investor. Right now Cadillac models already have the system. Over the next year more than 20 GM models will have factory-installed units.

    Saltire - What does satellite radio mean for listeners?
    CP - People are spending more time in their cars and they want to be informed, and they want to enjoy that time a little more. XM can do that. If you're listening to the reggae channel you should feel like you're in Jamaica. It's really point-of-view radio.

    Saltire - What does satellite radio mean for traditional radio?
    CP - XM doesn't disenfranchise AM/FM. Terrestrial radio will be forced to get better. Talk to the audience like they're older than 12 year olds. Talk to me about the music. Talk to me about the world when [the song] was written. That's what listeners really want.

    Saltire - But will people really pay for satellite radio?
    CP - People said they'd never pay for cable television because TV was something they already got for free. Look at how that turned out. We're going to do the same thing for radio. The difference is that we already have all of the infrastructure. The one-millionth subscriber doesn't cost more than the first one. We'll offer better quality, less commercials, and more choice. We believe people will pay for their passions.

Word On The Street
Saltire solicited the unfettered opinions of individuals in the technology, radio, and automotive industry.

  • What do you think satellite radio means for advertisers?
    "I think it can potentially be very good for advertisers. Specifically, by dividing the content available into so many categories, advertisers can probably make better assumptions about demographics. For example, XM Radio offers a dedicated NASCAR channel, dedicated BlueGrass channel, etc. The targeting is more granular than conventional radio where most stations do a little of everything, music, news, weather, traffic, etc. This should translate to more effective advertising potential for advertisers. That said, some of us are and will be willing to pay for commercial free options - I sure am." - Jason Foodman, technologist and Vice President of Business Development, Aladdin Systems

    Why do you think satellite radio has the potential to be a big success?
    "Abetted by the Telecommunications Act of 1996 that relaxed ownership restrictions and made possible the creation of media behemoths, conventional radio programmers unwittingly sabotaged their own stations through pernicious cost-saving programming trends such as corporate-level programming, format duplication and computer automation. The result: bland, boring, sound-alike radio stations from town to town, up and down the dial all across America, which drive away listeners in droves. That's good for satellite radio services like XM and, soon, Sirius, since listeners may eventually find their way to satellite radio." - Michael Saffran, radio industry veteran and Senior News Specialist, Rochester Institute of Technology

    What does the auto industry really think about satellite radio?
    "Everybody in the automotive/telematics value chain is excited about it. Well, maybe not everybody, but I've just been doing some interviews on a satellite based telematics project, and everybody I've talked to at OEMs, Tier 1 suppliers, cellular carriers, really likes the idea of satellite radio. I get the feeling they want this to work, if only because it lets them get a foot in the car door with subscription-based services." - Thomas R. Elliott, Vice President of North American Consulting, Strategy Analytics, Inc.

The Bottom Line
Both XM Radio and Sirius Radio agree that the market is big enough for two players. But as both services ramp up they need to find a way to stay in business. XM Radio recently reported a third-quarter '01 net loss of $70.8 million. Sirius Radio reported a net loss of $57 million for the same time period. XM Radio just announced financing to operate its business into the fourth-quarter of 2002. Sirius Radio has also publicly announced that they have enough cash to last until the fourth-quarter of 2002.

To succeed both companies will need the support of the auto industry, and quickly. Getting satellite radios installed as standard equipment will help to build their subscriber base. The current $300 to $400 conversion cost might be a bit too steep for most consumers. Also, current receivers only support a single format (XM or Sirius). Future AM/FM/XM/SR models should also help boost more widespread usage.

Finally, there is enough content overlap to keep subscribers to either service happy. Perhaps the biggest decision is whether or not you want ads with your music. Sirius Radio's commercial-free music service can be yours for just $3 more each month than what XM Radio charges. The immense variety of music and other content should be a big hit if consumers can just find an easy way to get their hands on the technology. And reports of its CD-quality audio can only help to increase satellite radio's popularity. I'm still waiting to hear it for myself. Stay tuned.

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  • Who cares? by vought (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:19PM
    • Re:Who cares? by mancuskc (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:24PM
      • Re:Who cares? (Score:4, Interesting)

        by squiggleslash (241428) on Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:51PM (#2694075) Journal
        Britain used to have a radio licence - until the late sixties - which ultimately was a subscription to BBC radio (there were no other radio operators.) So people in Britain did, indeed, pay for radio directly rather than indirectly through higher priced groceries, etc.

        Note too that until the advent of cable TV, "the whole world" (except Britain) had "NEVER paid for TV". Cable changed that.

        Given a choice between indirectly and directly funded radio I can't say I know whether enough consumers would choose the latter, especially if it requires special equipment. But given time, and given radios that have the additional functionality built in, that may be a matter of time.

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        • Re:Who cares? by FatRatBastard (Score:3) Wednesday December 12 2001, @01:03PM
          • Re:Who cares? by squiggleslash (Score:2) Wednesday December 12 2001, @01:12PM
            • Re:Who cares? by FatRatBastard (Score:2) Wednesday December 12 2001, @01:23PM
              • Re:Who cares? by squiggleslash (Score:2) Wednesday December 12 2001, @02:15PM
              • Re:Who cares? by Aztech (Score:2) Wednesday December 12 2001, @02:32PM
              • Re:Who cares? (Score:4, Interesting)

                by FatRatBastard (7583) <[acentofanti] [at] [yahoo.com]> on Wednesday December 12 2001, @02:49PM (#2694846) Homepage
                The BBC is not a government entity

                You're right, I stand corrected.. but...

                the government's sole involvement at all is it had the right to appoint members of a group of governors, who are chosen apolitically. The BBC's independence is considered important.

                And I argue that the Beeb is closer to the Gov't than most independent companies. They held the exclusive rights to broadcasting in England until about 40 years ago. On paper it may be independent, but for the sake of what we're taking about its a lot closer to its gov't than the likes of XM Radio.

                This is about the British Radio licence, not about the TV licence.

                True, but its still analogous to the system for radio 40 years ago, except now they never got rid of the TV license when they allowed independent TV into the market. The British pay the TV license for the same reasons they paid for Radio: as you said IF THEY DIDN'T WANT TO PAY IT, they didn't have to, but they wouldn't be allowed to receive radio either. They lose the right to own a radio outright. You may technically have a choice, but for all intents and purposes unless you want to live in a cave you pay. It is similar today. You don't pay the license, you can't own a TV, regardless of whether you watch BBC or not.

                And the radio licence was abolished once non-BBC radio channels became available in the UK.

                In which lies the problem. The BBC had a monopoly on radio broadcast. You either pay and listen to any radio (even if you wanted to listen to foreign stations from across the channel) or you didn't pay and listened to nothing. Yup, I was wrong calling it a tax (I always thought it was. The damn bill showed up and the gov't would throw you in the clink if you didn't pay) but for all intents and purposes it was. Own a radio, pay the licensing fee. Sure, you're paying for the BBC's content, but by gov't mandate it was the only content you could receive from British soil. Not exactly the most free of markets.

                Which was my point. People in the UK didn't pay for a radio license for the same reasons that people are going to pay for XM radio here. There, the only choice was either pay the license or lose the right to hear ANY radio (which was the prominent means of mass communications of the time).
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              • Re:Who cares? by FatRatBastard (Score:2) Wednesday December 12 2001, @02:53PM
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          • Re:Who cares? by Aztech (Score:2) Wednesday December 12 2001, @02:05PM
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    • Re:Who cares? by Cy Guy (Score:2) Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:26PM
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    • Re:Who cares? by copec (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:29PM
    • Re:Who cares? by McD!ck (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:33PM
      • Re:Who cares? by Squareball (Score:2) Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:47PM
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    • Re:Who cares? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by amccall (24406) on Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:35PM (#2693943) Homepage
      Truck Drivers, Audiophiles, "Gadget People", people who like to drive cross country(or need to).

      I spend roughly 1 and a half hours in the car each day. Listening to a single set of mp3s, even a large one, can get tedious.

      Then there is talk radio, which I imagine is going to be a large application of this thing. 24 hour Rush Limbaugh Marathons(...what joy...), still I imagined listened too. More selection, less trouble dealing with media/mp3's. Station not playing what you like, pick another. Then there is news, traffic reports(I don't know about localization, but I imagine it's possible), weather, and such - which just can't be taken with you.

      Anyway, just because you don't see applications, doesn't mean that noone is going to buy it. Remember, people still listen to radio, not just CD's.

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    • Reason to care: Your music is lame by Mdog (Score:2) Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:39PM
      • Me too, by Bake (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @02:38PM
    • I Care! by ackthpt (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:41PM
      • Re:I Care! by AB3A (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @03:37PM
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    • Re:Who cares? by mojotooth (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @01:03PM
      • Re:Who cares? by CaseyB (Score:2) Wednesday December 12 2001, @01:38PM
    • That's a lot of work! by Gorimek (Score:2) Wednesday December 12 2001, @01:05PM
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    • I might care by gmack (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @01:51PM
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    • wrong by pyite69 (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @02:13PM
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  • sattelite radio by dmallery (Score:2) Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:19PM
  • Sat. Radio by Kronik Gamer (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:20PM
  • I'm in... by Byteme (Score:2) Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:21PM
    • Re:I'm in... by micromoog (Score:3) Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:27PM
      • Re:I'm in... by ddstreet (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @01:05PM
      • OK by Byteme (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @02:36PM
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      • Yeah but... by gpinzone (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @04:46PM
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  • Less interesting that it used to be (Score:5, Interesting)

    by crow (16139) on Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:21PM (#2693829) Homepage Journal
    Five years ago, this would have been the coolest thing in the world. Imagine being able to commute in the morning an listen to music instead of a pair of DJs chatting. Sure, you could pop in a tape or CD, but that can be a pain.

    Now, it's not quite so interesting. The early adopters have been, at least in part, co-opted by car MP3 players. If I had a long commute, you can bet that's the direction I would invest my car audio dollars.

    Of course, there is still a significant market for them, but it's just a little harder to get people excited about it than it would have been a few years ago.
  • Coverage by mini me (Score:2) Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:22PM
    • Re:Coverage by geekoid (Score:2) Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:45PM
      • Re:Coverage by the_2nd_coming (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @01:08PM
      • Re:Coverage by zeda (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @02:04PM
    • Broadband Internet by sterno (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @01:08PM
    • Re:Coverage by Jus'n (Score:2) Wednesday December 12 2001, @01:33PM
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    • Re:Coverage by pyite69 (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @02:19PM
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  • XM radio (Score:5, Informative)

    by wiredog (43288) on Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:23PM (#2693841) Journal
    There's been lots of coverage of their system in the Washington Post [washingtonpost.com]. Look for stories by (former) radio reporter Frank Ahrens. He likes XM

    If you liked WHFS back in the day, one of their former dj's now works for XM.

    XM handles signal fade in cities by putting repeaters up all over the place.

    • Re:XM radio by S. Allen (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:42PM
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    • Re:XM radio by jtseng (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @01:16PM
      • Re:XM radio by Brian Feldman (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @04:18PM
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  • License? by anthony_dipierro (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:24PM
  • 60 channels of music... (Score:3, Funny)

    by wangi (16741) <lee AT leekindness DOT com> on Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:24PM (#2693851) Homepage
    Of the same music! Damn, America has two types of music - Country and Western!
  • Outside of radio markets (Score:5, Interesting)

    by ManualCrank Angst (541890) on Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:24PM (#2693853) Homepage
    You in the big cities and even you in the more heavily populated rural areas may not realize what this means. But ask anyone who has driven across Montana, Wyoming, and one or both of the Dakotas: There are literally miles and miles where you cannot get any radio at all. I'm not saying "nothing but talk" or "nothing but Hat Act music". I'm saying literally NOTHING.

    For this reason, I'm guessing that satellite radio receivers would be a big hit in Ryder/UHaul trucks. It would also keep them from having to reprogram the radio settings at every location.

  • Question about reception by astrashe (Score:2) Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:25PM
  • San Diego Blues by McD!ck (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:26PM
  • digital radio? by Graff (Score:2) Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:27PM
    • It's digital by wiredog (Score:3) Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:39PM
    • Re:digital radio? by RocketScientist (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @02:08PM
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  • Opening the door to car-based subscriptions? by quistas (Score:2) Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:27PM
  • I will NOT pay for XM. (Score:5, Interesting)

    by reaper20 (23396) on Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:27PM (#2693877) Homepage
    I will not pay $10 a month for the 'right' to listen to more commercials. I pay $40 a month for internet, and get spammed from them. I pay $80 a month for Directv, and get more "special offer" channels instead of more movies in DD5.1 GM's OnStar deal, more cost the car, and when your 'free trial' runs out, there's another monthly fee, otherwise, you paid for some electronic gizmo in your new GM car that won't work in 5 years, and another route for more spam, crammed down our throats, on systems that WE are paying for.

    And don't give me that garbage about "your monthly fee only covers infrastructure costs, someone needs to pay for content." I don't buy that for a second, if I pay for a service, don't cram ads down to consumers. That's why I am using a pay service to begin with.

    This doesn't offer me anything that I don't get with free FM (which is financed by commercials, fair tradeoff). CD quality? Big deal, I can throw an mp3 player in my car for cheap these days.

    They will fail and blame "poor market conditions" or have some other excuse for not making money. Funny how noone says "We didn't use common sense" as an excuse.
    • Economic Viability by krez (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:44PM
    • Re:I will NOT pay for XM. (Score:5, Interesting)

      by austad (22163) on Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:57PM (#2694112) Homepage
      I agree completely. XM has the advantage of being out first, especially right before christmas. But there is no friggin' way in hell I'm going to *PAY* $10 a month for more commercials. I will happily pay $12.95 a month though to Sirius for commercial free music.

      An mp3 player in the car would be nice, but it requires love and attention for adding new music, creating playlists, etc. It's nice to just be able to turn on the radio and hear music. Plus, you get exposed to new music on the radio, with an mp3 player, you are limited to what's in your current library.

      I've complained many times to XM about their commercials, and several of my friends have also. It appears that they have made a few channels commercial free now because of all of the complaints, but there are still commercials, and there is no way I'm going to pay for that.
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      • Re:I will NOT pay for XM. by KaiserSoze (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @01:25PM
      • Yeah by wiredog (Score:2) Wednesday December 12 2001, @01:43PM
        • Re:Yeah by ZxCv (Score:2) Wednesday December 12 2001, @05:16PM
          • Re:Yeah by wiredog (Score:2) Wednesday December 12 2001, @07:38PM
          • Re:Yeah by ryanwright (Score:2) Wednesday December 12 2001, @07:50PM
          • Re:Yeah by joekool (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @09:58PM
      • Re:I will NOT pay for XM. by ZxCv (Score:2) Wednesday December 12 2001, @05:29PM
    • You are the exception by ackthpt (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @01:01PM
      • Re:You are the exception by WinDoze (Score:2) Wednesday December 12 2001, @01:41PM
      • Re:You are the exception by gmhowell (Score:2) Wednesday December 12 2001, @02:09PM
      • Re:You are the exception by zeda (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @02:14PM
        • Re:You are the exception (Score:5, Insightful)

          by Black Perl (12686) on Wednesday December 12 2001, @02:35PM (#2694764)
          Cable TV generates new unique content. Radio just plays music that is available elsewhere.

          Yes, but:

          • I like to hear new music that I haven't been exposed to before.
          • NONE of the 4-5 genres of music I like to listen to is broadcast on the radio where I live.
          This is reason enough for me to get it, particularly with the receiver that can move from car to home. I'm sure there are many others in the same situation.

          If there were more independent radio stations and less corporate crap, this wouldn't be necessary.

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    • You won't pay for radio but you pay $80 for TV?!? by GizmoToy (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @01:04PM
    • Re:I will NOT pay for XM. by waitdyahoo.com (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @01:11PM
    • Re:I will NOT pay for XM. by karb (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @01:39PM
    • Re:I will NOT pay for XM. by Suppafly (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @01:49PM
    • Re:I will NOT pay for XM. by RocketScientist (Score:2) Wednesday December 12 2001, @02:01PM
    • dumbass, read the article by pyite69 (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @02:24PM
    • Re:I will NOT pay for XM. by sneakcjj (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @03:23PM
    • Re:I will NOT pay for XM. by Animixer (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @06:10PM
    • Agreed, Ads are getting out of hand by MO! (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @06:36PM
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    • Re:I will NOT pay for XM. by WinDoze (Score:2) Wednesday December 12 2001, @01:51PM
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  • Let's finish the job (Score:5, Flamebait)

    by Zen Mastuh (456254) on Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:28PM (#2693883)

    Can we finally rid the world of the middleman now? We have:

    • A limitless supply of artists
    • A limitless supply of music fans
    • Ubiquitous medium (satellite radio)
    • Music sharing services (Morpheus, etc...) and payment services (PayPal, etc...) that can be improved to be secure and can be coordinated to allow music fans to pay a fair price (read: far less than $17 per CD) directly to the artists.
    • A corrupt, outdated system in which the artist gets screwed at the time the contract is signed, the fan gets screwed at the checkout counter, and the industry's trade association lobbies for (and receives) absurd laws with draconian penalties that ensure a limitless profit stream for its minions

    Someone please stop the RIAA before they ask their cronies (the gummint) to pass laws making it illegal to hum tunes to ourselves?

  • weather permitting... by jodonn (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:28PM
  • It's not the music that will sell this. by markx16 (Score:2) Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:28PM
  • truckers by geekoid (Score:2) Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:28PM
  • Cruising for local radio by Tetsujin28 (Score:2) Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:28PM
  • The $30 question is (Score:4, Interesting)

    by baptiste (256004) <`su.etsitpab' `ta' `ekim'> on Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:29PM (#2693894) Homepage Journal
    I refuse to pay for extra receivers. THink about it. 2 receivers for your two cars (if you're married or very rich :) ) plus at least one receiver on teh Home AV system. Will it still be $10/month? If so I'd sign up - seems worth it. Or will I get charged another $3-$5 for each additional receiver? I've been a DISH subscriber for years and it just irks me to have to pay $5/month for each extra receiver for additional rooms/TVs. It makes me feel like I'm getting less value.

    Nope - from XM's customer agreement:

    b) Multiple XM Radios. If you add additional XM Radios to your account, you may purchase a separate subscription for each one (see Section 5).

    That's $30 a month - no way in the world am I paying that - sorry.

  • How long before ads? by conan_albrecht (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:29PM
  • FCC rules & regulations (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Isaac-Lew (623) <isaaclew@gmail.com> on Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:30PM (#2693904)
    Do the same FCC decency rules & regulations apply for satellite transmissions as they do for AM/FM? It would be sweet to listen to uncensored talk radio (imagine what Opie & Anthony [opieandanthony.com] could do on the air....). I think that would be the killer app for satellite radio.
    • Re:FCC rules & regulations by anthony_dipierro (Score:2) Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:38PM
    • Re:FCC rules & regulations by S. Allen (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:45PM
    • Re:FCC rules & regulations by siegesama (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @02:30PM
    • Re:FCC rules & regulations by psicE (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @03:00PM
      • Re:FCC rules & regulations (Score:4, Interesting)

        by stripes (3681) on Wednesday December 12 2001, @04:30PM (#2695465) Homepage Journal
        Notice how the FCC decency rules apply to standard cable, but not HBO... I bet that within 5 years they'll apply to HBO too.

        I think "standard" cable chooses to be conservative in what they air. It pisses me off, I have written to CourTV to tell them I don't watch NYPD Blue reruns that they air because they choose to bleep out dialog (and "airbrush" some body parts) the network TV has already aired!

        At any rate the networks are getting more bold, not less. I also don't see HBO caving many of their most popular shows (Sopranos, Sex in the City) have nudity in pretty much each episode.

        As for correcting the problem at the source, I would be happy to drop the whole lame censoring scheme we use, but many people still support it. In fact I recall writing my congress critter that I was in full support of the "V chip" crap if and only if it allowed any channel to broadcast as much sex and violence as they though was proper so long as it was labeled. I mean, if a parent doesn't want a child seeing that sort of thing, the V chip would stop it, right? If not, what good is it?

        I would assume nothing stops XM from broadcasting whichever version of the music they like, the question is which version do they think makes more money? (personally I like some of the "cut" version better, not because the words offend me, but some of the digital scratch out effects that Rage used were pretty cool sounding, better then "Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me!", but for the most part the uncut versions are better)

        P.S. My Mac's spell check (OSX -- it's unix for the one button crowd!) doesn't have "fuck", one of the suggestions was "fsck"...

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  • XM by steveo777 (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:30PM
  • These are easy to hack (Score:4, Interesting)

    by WaIter Bell (542911) on Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:31PM (#2693918)
    One of my buddies bought two XM radios last week and has been very happy with them. In fact, he cracked them open and found that he could "clone" his subscription onto the second radio by copying a serial EEPROM chip. So now he is offering it as a service: he will clone an XM radio onto another one for $50 and he is making a tidy little profit off of friends and neighbors by cloning his own subscription, so that they get the service for free. [microchip.com]

    In retrospect, XM should have really considered a smartcard system like that of DirecTV [directv.com]. Those are crackable but they are a lot more difficult. Putting the authenticator on a damn EEPROM chip was just a stupid move, and it is certain to result in large-scale piracy.

    ~wally

  • NPR without pledge drives by FocaJonathan (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:33PM
  • Its the content, stupid.... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by KoshClassic (325934) on Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:34PM (#2693929)
    The bottom line with the success of these services will be a) Is the content actually good, where they'll play a song even if it isn't on a major label or performed by Brittney Spears, or am I going to have to listen to the same 75 songs programmed by mindless corporate drones over and over like I have to do on FM today? b) If they actually get part 'a' right, will they last long enough financially for word of mouth to help them achieve critical mass?


    On a technical note, does anyone know the capacity of these systems in terms of the number of seperate channels they can offer?

  • Got XM. Love it. by RocketScientist (Score:2) Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:35PM
  • The fate of these birds.... by snatchitup (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:36PM
  • I would NOT pay monthly for this... by Controlio (Score:2) Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:39PM
  • US lagging again?? by martin (Score:2) Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:40PM
  • XM radio, same bad music as local radio by DeMorganLaw (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:40PM
  • "Hype"??? by decipher_saint (Score:2) Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:41PM
  • This succeeds if it is sold in the car lot. by barfy (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:41PM
  • Yes and No... by linuxrunner (Score:2) Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:42PM
  • Rock and Roll? by Havokmon (Score:2) Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:42PM
  • Pricing by chicagothad (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:43PM
  • Talk by mblumber (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:43PM
  • I want a Kerbango instead by toupsie (Score:2) Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:44PM
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  • Very old news here. by Sarin (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:44PM
  • Backup Satellite? by shlamo (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:45PM
  • Where's my Rivo? by daves (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:45PM
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  • one place it will do good..... by the_2nd_coming (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:45PM
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  • Is iPod the answer to every story these days? by sulli (Score:2) Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:46PM
  • I'd get one but... by MarkusH (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:47PM
  • Awesome! by shepd (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:47PM
  • I'm totally pumped about it!! by Stalemate (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:47PM
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  • Hmmmm 16 hours????? by the_2nd_coming (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:47PM
  • XM radio poor bitrate (Score:5, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:49PM (#2694061)
    I had XM radio, I took it back. Simply put the quality was about the same as 96Kbit Mp3. It had great selection the music was awesome. The no commercials ruled. But everytime a song I liked came on and I cranked it up, the lack of quality and compression artifacts drove me away.
  • Target audience? by mr.buddylee (Score:2) Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:50PM
  • another interesting satellite radio: WorldSpace by schenkus (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:51PM
  • Don And Mike show.... by ender_wiggins (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:51PM
  • thinking outside the box? by frunch (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:52PM
  • It is still US radio stations... by gosand (Score:2) Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:53PM
  • another nice application...... by the_2nd_coming (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:53PM
  • good idea, poor delivery (Score:5, Insightful)

    by avdp (22065) on Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:53PM (#2694089)
    Why I will not be listening to satellite radio anytime soon:

    - It's a subscription model, and yet I have to buy the equipment which is not cheap (other than the one car manufacturer that includes it).

    - It's a subscription model, yet there are commercials (on at least some channels)

    - I have to dish out money for equipment and yet there is a good chance it will only work for less than a year. One company admitted that they have money to stay afloat until the end of next year. Which means, there is a good chance they will no longer exist a year from now since I think they're expectations on signing up 4.5 million subscribers is a bit optimistic.

    Yikes. No thanks. You won't get me to take the gamble, at least not until they have been around for a couple years. Of course, if everybody thinks like me, they won't be around for a couple of years.
  • Why another new system? by FeatherBoa (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:54PM
  • It requires a couple of things by AugstWest (Score:2) Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:57PM
  • What's REALLY on our minds... by tomzyk (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:59PM
  • Another pocket-grabber... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by rkischuk (463111) on Wednesday December 12 2001, @01:00PM (#2694129)
    I'm becoming progressively disturbed at the number of companies trying to get into your pocket every month. Fair-use as we know it for almost any device seems to be going away, and NONE of it is customer-driven. Look at the trends.

    Soon, you will pay monthly for your software (Microsoft - others will follow suit), radio (XM/Sirius), music (online music services that give you access to large song catalogs but remove all access to music when you cancel), movies (divx tried to start it, big $$$ is picking up the idea now), books (M$ vision for e-books w/ DRM), video games (Final Fantasy XI), web sites....

    What was wrong with existing revenue models? Just because companies like Microsoft were incapable of creating software worth the cost of updating, it screwed up their revenue predictions.... Why should consumers get screwed just so a company can predict their profits more accurately? Why can't I just buy something and own it anymore? I can't tell you how much this pisses me off.

    What's the common thread here? Huge footholds in the industry or sanctioned monopolies (MPAA, RIAA, M$, XM/Sirius). Preach all you want about speaking with your dollars, but that only works while you still have a choice. What happens when we don't have access to the alternatives any more because of coersion of distribution channels, anti-competitive practices, and purchased legislation?
    • Re:Another pocket-grabber... by Alpha_Geek (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @01:15PM
    • It's worse than that (He's dead, Jim) (Score:4, Interesting)

      by Watts Martin (3616) <layotlNO@SPAMgmail.com> on Wednesday December 12 2001, @03:36PM (#2695142) Homepage

      There's a book I recall hearing about called The Age of Access by perennial techno-worrywort Jeremy Rifkin. In it, he postulated that we were moving toward a new phase in capitalism, where the relationship of people to property would shift--essentially, the rental model would become the norm rather than the purchase model. More and more of "your stuff" would really be the company's stuff, with your terms of use dictated by their licenses.

      And when you think about it, the idea really doesn't even require government intervention--in fact, the less government regulation there is, the better it works out for the companies. After all, what they're rewarded for is simply steadily increasing profit. We like to think the free market dictates the way that they'll do that is by offering the best possible service at the best possible price, but other good ways to increase profit involve buying up your existing competitors and increasing barriers of entry to new potential competitors. (If your competitors have enough of the market share and enough "exclusive" deals or single-supplier contracts with your potential customers, you're not going to have the resources to compete if you're a startup.)

      So, really, what's wrong with existing revenue models is that they don't offer as much of a chance for "customer lock-in." This is one of those interesting paradoxes about a market: it works really well as long as the playing field is level, but the most successful players will always have as their goal tilting the playing field in their favor--eliminating competition in any way possible.

      This is, of course, why games have rules. And it's why markets are regulated. Whoops, we don't like regulated markets anymore, do we?

      Hmm.

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    • Re:Another pocket-grabber... by dasmegabyte (Score:2) Wednesday December 12 2001, @04:12PM
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  • we want... talk...? by bienfaissant_digital (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @01:01PM
  • Free "standard" and non-free "premium" service! by QuietRiot (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @01:01PM
  • commercials and DJs by Tibor the Hun (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @01:03PM
  • How long before 'no-subscription' radios appear? by ddstreet (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @01:11PM
  • Monthly fees are a way of life now... by Arkham (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @01:13PM
  • I'd try it by MasterBlaster (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @01:16PM
  • MP3 makes it questionable by benevolent_merchant (Score:2) Wednesday December 12 2001, @01:19PM
  • What problem are you trying to solve? by Walter Wart (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @01:22PM
  • Just like TV by jeffy210 (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @01:23PM
  • XM Radio Rocks! (Score:4, Interesting)

    by rhaasch (543383) on Wednesday December 12 2001, @01:24PM (#2694278)
    I bought XM Radio and put it in my car last month on a trip across the southern US. After driving from Yuma to Tucson with no decent radio reception, I broke down (not literally) and got it installed at Circuit City in Tucson. I then jumped back in the car and drove home to Florida. Not once did I lose the reception and I was driving through mountains, storms (remember last month's huge Texas thunderstorms?), and large cities (Houston, etc). I also livein Florida and it rains here often and I have yet to lose the signal. For those who don't know, the signal is also buffered by several seconds which keeps it from dropping out. It works great. The music selection is great. I can tell very few people here have actually researched the music offerings. The stations with commercials keep them short and under two minutes and you're back to the tunes. It beats the ten minute traffic updates, announcements, and lame car commercials on regular radio. They have independent stations in addition to regular stuff and have three great comedy stations. All the stations are also uncensored for those of you who like that sort of thing. Considering many of you don't hesitate to drop hundreds of dollars into computer and stereo equipment, I'm surprised you are complaining. Ten bucks a month is paltry compared to what you get with this. I got the Sony portable and you can listen to it at home after work. It is the best. Bob
  • Price Difference by ruvreve (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @01:25PM
  • Why I would consider this by jfsather (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @01:29PM
  • MTV by Sideways The Dog (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @01:29PM
    • Re:MTV by Laplace (Score:3) Wednesday December 12 2001, @01:52PM
  • I'm not interested in Satellite radio by cr@ckwhore (Score:2) Wednesday December 12 2001, @01:29PM
  • XM and Sirius: Just don't suck, or you die. by dheeraj (Score:2) Wednesday December 12 2001, @01:30PM
  • So how do they enforce subscriptions? by taliver (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @01:31PM
  • Why all /.ers should NOT buy satellite radio by uslinux.net (Score:2) Wednesday December 12 2001, @01:36PM
  • I've got it! TiVo for car radio! by affegott (Score:2) Wednesday December 12 2001, @01:38PM
  • Local advertising? by cr@ckwhore (Score:2) Wednesday December 12 2001, @01:38PM
  • So could I get both? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Leebert (1694) on Wednesday December 12 2001, @01:43PM (#2694431)
    I love to listen to C-SPAN and NPR.

    XM has C-SPAN.

    Sirius has NPR.

    Neither has both.

    And I'm sure that's just the beginning.

    So would I have to get both to get the content I want? Is it even possible to use one receiver for both? If not, then what if a third network starts up with content I want, instead? A fourth? A fifth?
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  • What is the point? by AlgUSF (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @01:45PM
  • I want this to work... by ellem (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @01:47PM
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  • Costs money? Forget it! by Geopoliticus (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @01:50PM
  • What satellite radio needs... by InterruptDescriptorT (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @01:53PM
  • by mjh (57755) <{mark} {at} {hornclan.com}> on Wednesday December 12 2001, @01:54PM (#2694495) Homepage Journal
    I don't want satelite radio for music. I have mp3.

    I want satelite radio for sports. I like sports. Especially the Green Bay Packers. I live in Charlotte, NC. It's awfully difficult to listen to the packers in NC, unless of course they happen to be playing in NC, and then I just go the game. About the only thing that satelite radio provides me that I want is access to my favorite sports broadcasts no matter where I am in the country. That is, by far, the biggest selling point to me.

    But I'm not going to get it. I am just not going to pay anything per month for this. There is no way that they're going to remove commercials from sports broadcasts. So I'm going to be paying someone to advertise to me? I think not. But even more important than that is the idea of the incremental infrastructure costs.

    The reason that I pay for cable service to my house is because it actually costs the cable company extra money to run the cable to my house, and to continually maintain it. I pay for internet service because in order for me to get that service, I have to pay the additional infrastructure that allows me to connect to it (modems, bandwidth). So the more subscribers that a cable company or an ISP has, the more infrastructure that company requires. Thus there is an incremental cost associated with each additional customer that they have.

    But this is not the case for broadcast providers. If 10 people listen to a broadcast or 1000 people listen to a broadcast, it costs the same amount for the broadcaster. Basic calculus: as the number of listeners approaches infinity, the cost per listener approaches 0. (Yes, yes, I know the number of listeners is finite.) Or put another way the incremental cost per listener is nothing.

    So with no incremental cost per listener, the value of the service comes from getting lots and lots of listeners. In the cable and ISP world, lots of subscribers are good, but they also impose an additional cost per subscriber. But in the broadcast world, once you've put up the basic infrastructure, you want as many people to get that service as possible. Your costs are finished, so remove as many barriers as possible. Why? So that you can then turn around and tell advertisers that they can reach 275 million people (i.e. the entire US) with your service. If you put up barriers to entry for your listeners, you weaken the value of your advertising real estate. Why do the TV networks love the superbowl so much? Because 1 billion viewers is *very* expensive advertising real estate. TV networks make a killing on the superbowl. Advertising real estate is seriously valuable stuff.

    Satelite radio and TV have such an oppurtunity to have the highest priced advertising space in the world. But they're squandering that oppurtunity by charging listeners/veiwers for their service. And why do they do that? Because their investors are simply not patient enough to be able to wait for returns on their investment. The cost of putting up satelites for these services is very high. But even so, it's a fixed, one time cost. What you want is to put that against ongoing, and increasing income. One strategy is to charge $x per month to the listeners. But this is short sighted. It does provide ongoing income, but it's hard to increase it without losing sources of that income (i.e. every time you increase the cost, you lose some customers).

    The other option is to give the service away to listeners/viewers, and then charge advertisers for access. As the numbers of listeners/viewers increases, your advertising rates can also increase. So fixed cost, balanced by ongoing, and increasing income.

    The problem, of course, is that the investors can't wait long enough for the satelite companies to build up their viewers. They want their returns and they want them as soon as possible. What they fail to see is that the demand for that immediate return is resulting in building businesses for which people will not subscribe. And, as a previous poster mentioned [slashdot.org], when these companies fail, they certainly won't say it's because we had a bad plan.

    Too bad. It's a good idea, ruined by impatience.

  • As long as.... (Score:4, Insightful)

    by x0 (32926) on Wednesday December 12 2001, @01:59PM (#2694531) Homepage
    Clear Channel Communications has nothing to do with any of the programming choices.

    In the last three years I have moved from North Carolina to Texas, California, and finally Minnesota.

    CCC has done more to ruin Classic Rock stations (shock jocks, et al...), that I would consider $10/mo cheap if the playlists are good.

  • Thank god they are keeping advertisers out by pyite69 (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @02:10PM
  • Net-based Streaming Preview? by muchawi (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @02:11PM
  • by BluedemonX (198949) on Wednesday December 12 2001, @02:11PM (#2694614)
    100 channels of N'Britney Boys? Or one stream of pap, a stream of reggae, a stream of Goth, one of Industrial, another for 80s new wave, the Disco channel, the Gangsta Rap channel, etc?

    What'd make this TRULY cool is to allocate 1/10 of same streams to the best of public access.
  • by isdnip (49656) on Wednesday December 12 2001, @02:12PM (#2694615)
    Sure, the technology's cool. But the way Uncle (Frank Charlie) Charlie licensed it is indicative of everything that's wrong with modern American media.

    With broadcast radio, in urban areas at least, there used to be a lot of broadcasters. Now they're allowed to consolidate so Clear Channel and Viacom own most of the stations. College radio and a handful of local holdouts are what remains of diversity.

    With satellite radio, they cut right to the chase. Two licenses, nationwide, high capital corporate players. No other diversity. Sure, those players can select their providers from a diverse supply, if they so choose. But only if the dollars say so. No equivalent of Cable Leased Access, which theoretically allows anybody to buy a slot on a cable network, or for that matter cable's Public Access. Just 100 channels of what your Providers wants. Big Brother Knows Best. In the olden days, if there were a "natural monopoly" of this sort (if, for techical reasons, there could only be one or two providers, each with many channels, which seems to be the case here), then there might be the common carrier obligation or more open third-party-programming rules. But that's not what the content monopolists want.

    Worse, the two systems are not interoperable. So you can't even pick one. You get either Sirius or XM, depending on which car (or aftermarket radio) you buy. So the duopoly is really a monopoly so far as listeners are concerned -- at least with broadcast radio, you get your choice of Viacom or Clear Channel pablum. And that interesting stuff down at the low end of the dial.

    This is the DMCA's companion, a broadcast model from hell.
  • I've got one. (Score:5, Informative)

    by toastyman (23954) <toasty@dragondata.com> on Wednesday December 12 2001, @02:14PM (#2694633) Homepage
    I've got one now, and have noticed a few things.

    1) The sound quality isn't quite what I thought it would be. While I don't know the actual bitrates used, the music channels sound about like a 64k MP3, and the talk/news channels sound about like a 24k MP3. I think I'd rather slightly fewer channels if it meant better quality.

    2) Since they transmit every bit multiple times, (either 3 or 4 copies of the stream is sent at once on a time delay, I can't remember which), dropouts are EXTREMELY rare. They have both spatial (two satellites you can receive at once), frequency (broadcasting on multiple frequencies), and time (broadcasting the same content multiple times) diversity. Nice.

    3) Yes, you're paying $9.95/month for *SOME* channels that have commercials. Most channels don't have commercials. Even then, the stations that DO have commercials air far far less than the FM stations I've listened to.

    4) You get some neat features like being able to display artist/song for each channel.

    5) Wow, some of the channels air things you'd never hear on the radio. The main comedy channel has more swear words per minute than you could imagine. None of the songs have the "bad words" beeped out. If you have kids, and are concerned, you can have them block any channels you don't want them to listen to. (Each channel is pretty clearly marked on the guide if it has strong language or not)

    6) Some of the channels do sound kinda amateur-hour. Kinda like college radio. I'm sure as time progresses they'll get more refined, but... Wow, some of the DJ's and commercials for themselves are cheesy. Really bad.

    7) They do have some really cool channels. CNN Headline News (the audio from the TV channel - usually works well except for "Nothing can describe the images you're seeing now..." bits), The Discovery Channel Radio, etc... Keeps me entertained.

    8) If you're a channel flipper, the delay between changing channels is kinda long... 1/2 to 1 second.

    9) Overall worth it for me. The total of 1 to 1.5 hours a day I spend in the car is at least enjoyable now. I've only had it for 3-4 weeks, but it's kept my attention that long.
  • how long by Suppafly (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @02:17PM
  • The XM-Cable parallel by Goose3254 (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @02:18PM
  • A wish list by interstellar_donkey (Score:2) Wednesday December 12 2001, @02:20PM
  • Once again, Europe does it differently by wackybrit (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @02:21PM
  • My solution to Never-Ending Music... by doppleganger871 (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @02:22PM
  • After bankruptcy - the Iridium model ? by pspinler (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @02:25PM
  • Only one way by Apreche (Score:2) Wednesday December 12 2001, @02:26PM
  • XM Unsigned by charlesc (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @02:30PM
  • Don't know what XM plays? Hit their website... by darrick (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @02:43PM
  • Which codecs are used? by flowerp (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @02:46PM
  • This could open alot of eyes... by biggleswat (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @02:59PM
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  • One questions (Score:3, Insightful)

    by iceT (68610) on Wednesday December 12 2001, @03:04PM (#2694922)
    What happens when I go under an overpass in my car? Last time I checked, satellite communications were line of site... Is my radio going dropp out ever 1/2 mile as a go up 'sunken' highways with overpasses ever 1/2 mile?
  • Local and XM? by jeeryg_flashaccess (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @03:22PM
  • VHS vs BETA _again_ - does it really matter? by number_man (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @03:39PM
  • I work in the radio business... by Newer Guy (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @03:40PM
  • XM is hella sweet by ResQuad (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @03:43PM
  • Britney by tripletwentie (Score:2) Wednesday December 12 2001, @03:44PM
  • TV used to be free too by PeterMiller (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @03:46PM
  • Before you decide.... by Muad'Dave (Score:2) Wednesday December 12 2001, @03:51PM
  • pay for ads??? by nate1138 (Score:2) Wednesday December 12 2001, @04:19PM
  • Need pay per dayoption by Ulfius (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @04:21PM
  • Free receivers are the key by Karl Cocknozzle (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @04:39PM
  • XM is great... by raam (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @04:42PM
  • Internet Access via Satellite Radio by ShaggusMacHaggis (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @04:45PM
  • XM radio rocks! (Score:3, Interesting)

    by PatJensen (170806) on Wednesday December 12 2001, @05:14PM (#2695754) Homepage
    As a current XM subscriber in Fresno, CA I commute daily to the South Valley (Tulare/Visalia). For an almost hour long one-way drive, I was forced to listen to the same old crap. I listen to jazz, techno/trance, a bit of gangsta rap and I love the non-stop stand up comedy on the way to work. Puts me in a good mood in the morning.

    Signal and quality is great! I have a Sony receiver (the silver and purple one) in my 2001 Honda Accord. Signing up online took me about 15 minutes, and it took another 40 minutes to drill the mounting bracket in and install my antenna inside my car by the back window cleanly (that was at night)

    What a treat it was when I got it working. A majority of the good channels are unfiltered (cussing, racial slurs and various other profanity) is allowed if you are into that thing. The DJs are moderately cool.

    Service is great. Only complaints I have are with the Sony deck, and they are: 1. Not enough presets, 2. Backlight and the LCD suck and will cause accidents if you attempt to read it while driving, 3. No direct station access on the remote (just presets, who thought of that?) The only places I've ever lost service is when you are in bumper-to-bumper traffic on the Highway and you pass under a bridge. If you are going at least 50, you won't lose your tunes. Also, the overhangs at gas stations will cause your radio to chunk out "No signal".

    Thought I'd pitch in my two cents. Fire off some questions if you have any.

    -Pat

  • Terrible choice of channels by Anonymous Coward (Score:2) Wednesday December 12 2001, @05:19PM
  • This will be as big as cable. by DaeDaLuS6668 (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @06:18PM
  • and wouldn't we pay for... by The Cat (Score:2) Wednesday December 12 2001, @07:30PM
  • Profanity by DarkHelmet (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @07:55PM
  • Aye aye matey by gibbled (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @09:07PM
  • Ground repeaters are controversial by ChrisCampbell47 (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @11:22PM
  • The End of The Age of Pirate Radio by Dan Crash (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @11:49PM
  • WorldSpace by rmathew (Score:1) Thursday December 13 2001, @12:28AM
    • Re:WorldSpace by netwerk (Score:1) Thursday December 13 2001, @06:40AM
  • Room for all technologies by Slider451 (Score:1) Thursday December 13 2001, @03:05PM
  • ...why not by Transcendent (Score:1) Saturday December 15 2001, @12:12PM
    • (after thought) by Transcendent (Score:1) Saturday December 15 2001, @12:15PM
  • Re:S Band by dave3138 (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:42PM
  • Re:7 Dirty Words by Stalemate (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @12:53PM
  • Re:hackable? by ackthpt (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @01:39PM
    • Re:hackable? by germinatoras (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @06:42PM
      • Re:hackable? by DavidTC (Score:1) Wednesday December 12 2001, @07:33PM
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