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Geographic Screening

Posted by JonKatz on Wed Mar 15, 2000 11:28 AM
from the Balkanizing-the-Internet dept.
Geographic screening -- the restriction of Net access by geography -- is the latest nightmare stemming from the culture wars launched by the music and movie industries against a free Internet. This time the firewalls aren't coming from the People's Republic of China, but out of Canada. Read more.

In February, after two months of operation, the Canadian Net company iCraveTV.com shut down after being sued by the Motion Picture Association of America, the same freedom-loving folks who had a Norwegian teenager thrown in jail a few months ago for distributing DVD decryption codes.

iCraveTV's business -- legal in Canada but not in the United States -- was the redistribution of live broadcast television programming over its Web site. The MPAA sued iCraveTV in federal court because U.S. copyright laws proscribe redistribution of TV programming without first obtaining permission from the programs' owners. The MPAA suit, similar to those being filed all over the country by music industry representatives, claimed that computer users in the U.S. could circumvent iCraveTV's simple access barriers to non-Canadians.

If the company hadn't halted operations instantly, it might have been liable for hundreds of millions in damages under the Digital Millenium Copyright Act, passed quietly 16 months ago and signed quickly by President Clinton. The DMCA is turning out to be the most potent weapon ever against the free spread of cultural artifacts like movies and music.

What was particularly significant though, was less the MPAA's lawsuit than iCrave's response. iCrave didn't argue the legal merits of the suit, according to Denise Caruso, writing in Monday's New York Times . Instead, the company responded by filing a series of patent claims for what it says is a new technology that could significantly affect the copyright skirmishes breaking out all over the Internet. The companies and organizations claim that they are only seeking to halt the theft and piracy of cultural properties like music and movies. Whatever their intentions, their actions threaten to permanently alter the nature of the Net itself, until now the freest culture in the information spectrum.

The company says it has developed what it calls a technological protection mechanism that locates where its customers are, permitting the site to bar anyone from viewing protected programming outside Canada. The company refused to disclose any of the technical details of this program, but Icrave President and co-founder William Craig said this new "enhanced geographic screening technology" would soon be necessary to make the Net appealing and safe for copyright holders.

"Collectively, the Internet has to evolve and adapt," Craig told the Times. "So what we're trying to do is create 'country-area-networks'where you can have a computer just serve a certain territory."

If this kind of software works and spreads, it presents a laundry list of ugly implications for the Net. This intentionally fragmented model of entertainment and content distribution -- think movie theaters, video chains and cable TV -- would transform the Net into the exact business model that has made so much money for the the entertainment industry, which is estimated to have earned more than $75 billion in revenues in l999.

Ironically, government interventions have had little effect on the free-wheeling nature and growth of the Net, but it's taken global corporations just a few short months to raise more disturbing legal, copyright and patent issues about cyberspace than had been raised in the preceding generation.

The DMCA of l998, which was passed after intense lobbying by entertainment industries (Disney, AOL/Time-Warner), has as its centerpiece an anti-circumvention provision, a new kind of liability aimed directly at information software, and which clamps down even on activities previously permitted by "fair use" provisions.

In copyright terms, "fair use" describes conditions under which someone can legally use or excerpt a copyrighted work. These might include referring to a copyrighted work but not quoting from it, using a small enough portion of a copyright work that it's considered "fair," or copying work you own.

But under the DMCA's anti-circumvention provisions, it is now illegal to violate copyright protection technology for any reason at all. Under the law, anyone who makes, sells or uses a device -- software, hardware, or a computer -- that makes copyright circumvention possible is engaging in a criminal act. This is the reason downloading free music and sharing Napster sites had been curtailed on college campuses in recent weeks. Schools are receiving warning letters from the RIAA (the music industry association) threatening legal action under the DMCA that would hold them liable for any and all copyright infringements if they don't take steps to eliminate the transmission of copyrighted material on networks they control.

It was the anti-circumvention provision of the DMCA that resulted in the arrest of 16-year-old Jon Johansen, a Norwegian teenager who had allegedly published code allowing the circumvention of the encryption found in DVDs, even though he wasn't intending to make illegal copies. He simply wanted to watch a movie which he owned legally but couldn't watch on his Linux laptop. Thus he was prosecuted not for pirating digital content, but rather for publishing and distributing the code that made it possible for him to view the film contained on a disk he already owned. That's an escalation of the culture wars, to say the least.

And it's not the last. "I think we want to nail them to the wall now," Jack Valenti, the president of the Motion Picture Association, told reporters when the iCraveTV.com suit was filed.

The fact is, there is hardly a person reading this who isn't a criminal under the provisions of the DMCA, including me.

There are plenty of disturbing elements to the recent assaults by the movie and music industries on the cultural infrastructure of the Net, but the elimination of any kind of "fair use" -- any circumstance at all in which the making of a copy might be considered legal -- is a huge legal victory for the corporations seeking to dominate cyberspace by breaking the Net and Web into marketing territories.

If iCrave succeeds in developing, patenting and distributing technology that permits geographic screening, the Net could become a Balkanized culture, with access restricted by technologically and legally enforced roadblocks, and by geographical restrictions to content and access. The Net and its protocols were designed to be free, and this freedom has resulted in one of the greatest creative, technological and cultural outpourings in human history. For a handful of greedy corporations to turn the Net into a digital Wal-Mart is unthinkable. It is also, for the first time, not a completely impossible notion.

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  • A proven technical solution to this by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @06:32AM
  • Re:Blame Canada! by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @07:21PM
  • Re:A proven technical solution to this by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @07:43AM
  • Eh? by Ranger Rick (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @07:51AM
  • Re:Ever try dowloading high encryption software? by Alan (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @09:13PM
  • Re:Blah Blah Blah by spacey (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @07:47PM
  • Not likely by spacey (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @07:55PM
  • Re:Circle Logic (ish) by spacey (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @08:02PM
  • Re:Circle Logic (ish) by hobbit (Score:1) Thursday March 16 2000, @04:44AM
  • Re:Circle Logic (ish) by hobbit (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @08:30AM
  • Embedded state-ism by GianfrancoZola (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @07:18AM
  • And now, a word from our sponsor... by Byteme (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @09:39AM
  • Re:I'm not in the US. Why does DMCA matter to me? by seichert (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @09:42PM
  • The power of the TV industry at work ... by bbcat (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @03:49PM
  • You're just jealous! by bbcat (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @04:00PM
  • Re:Ever try dowloading high encryption software? by Omnifarious (Score:1) Thursday March 16 2000, @01:41AM
  • A need for this type of restriction by Tim_F (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @08:27AM
  • Re:OT: Jurisdiction by swb (Score:1) Friday March 17 2000, @08:18AM
  • Re:OT: Jurisdiction by swb (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @07:58AM
  • Expand your market by limiting your audience! by freq (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @06:58AM
  • Sue CDR Manufacturers under the DMCA? by sith (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @09:54AM
  • Re:A proven technical solution to this by aonaran (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @05:56PM
  • Re:OT: Jurisdiction by Otto (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @08:22AM
  • Bloody Revolution! :-) by Otto (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @08:36AM
  • JJ is/was in JAIL???? by QuMa (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @07:00AM
  • Re:JJ is/was in JAIL???? by QuMa (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @07:04AM
  • Everyone is a criminal by hurcain (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @07:34AM
  • Re:Blame Canada! by Macdude (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @08:04AM
  • Napster is a network hog by blahedo (Score:1) Thursday March 16 2000, @12:01PM
  • Re:Circle Logic (ish) by delmoi (Score:1) Thursday March 16 2000, @08:03PM
  • Tibet, America, and the rest. by delmoi (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @11:19PM
  • Re:hermeneutics by delmoi (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @11:41PM
  • Thank god by delmoi (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @11:47PM
  • wrong again by delmoi (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @11:49PM
  • Re:Circle Logic (ish) by delmoi (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @11:52PM
  • Re:Circle Logic (ish) by delmoi (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @11:57PM
  • Re:Circle Logic (ish) by delmoi (Score:1) Thursday March 16 2000, @12:00AM
  • Re:Circle Logic (ish) by delmoi (Score:1) Thursday March 16 2000, @12:04AM
  • Re:Circle Logic (ish) by delmoi (Score:1) Thursday March 16 2000, @12:11AM
  • Language error by delmoi (Score:1) Thursday March 16 2000, @12:51AM
  • Re:Language error by delmoi (Score:1) Thursday March 16 2000, @11:10AM
  • Re:Circle Logic (ish) by delmoi (Score:1) Thursday March 16 2000, @11:14AM
  • Re:Circle Logic (ish) by delmoi (Score:1) Thursday March 16 2000, @11:21AM
  • Re:Circle Logic (ish) by Rupert (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @09:18AM
  • Re:You really cannot do this with the current TCP/ by phee (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @03:29PM
  • Re:On green grass and dark clouds by phee (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @05:18PM
  • Re:I'm not in the US. Why does DMCA matter to me? by phee (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @05:20PM
  • Re:Free Energy? NOT by phee (Score:1) Thursday March 16 2000, @06:17AM
  • Re:I'm not in the US. Why does DMCA matter to me? by phee (Score:1) Thursday March 16 2000, @06:23AM
  • Re:Tibet, America, and the rest. by phee (Score:1) Thursday March 16 2000, @06:45AM
  • Re:You really cannot do this with the current TCP/ by phee (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @08:14AM
  • The only thing we have to fear... by mberkow (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @07:01AM
  • Re:Blah Blah Blah by Wah (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @02:10PM
  • Re:Blah Blah Blah by Wah (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @12:27PM
  • This isn't new. by AndyMan! (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @09:08AM
  • Re:In some countries modems have to be registered by KingBob (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @12:03PM
  • You're missing the point. by CabanaBoy (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @08:10AM
  • Re:what i dont understand, please enlighten me by iCEBaLM (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @08:28AM
  • Re:Blah Blah Blah by Foogle (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @01:55PM
  • We'll have our 'free' patch of the internet... by mdemeny (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @11:26AM
  • Re:OT: Jurisdiction by mpe (Score:1) Thursday March 16 2000, @05:07AM
  • Re:OT: Jurisdiction by mpe (Score:1) Thursday March 16 2000, @05:12AM
  • Re:Blah Blah Blah by mpe (Score:1) Thursday March 16 2000, @05:19AM
  • Re:Blah Blah Blah by mpe (Score:1) Thursday March 16 2000, @05:24AM
  • Re:You really cannot do this with the current TCP/ by mpe (Score:1) Thursday March 16 2000, @05:31AM
  • Re:Circle Logic (ish) by mpe (Score:1) Thursday March 16 2000, @05:37AM
  • Re:Stop being dishonest / naive by mpe (Score:1) Thursday March 16 2000, @05:42AM
  • Re:Global Views.. by mpe (Score:1) Thursday March 16 2000, @05:51AM
  • Re:Geographic Screening = Wrong Thing, Wrong Way by mpe (Score:1) Thursday March 16 2000, @06:01AM
  • Re:Law and geographical screening. by JacobO (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @07:39PM
  • Re:what i dont understand, please enlighten me by Div0 (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @07:58AM
  • Good point by TypoDaemon (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @06:23PM
  • Whoa, cool... by Sponge (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @04:57PM
  • Breaking the borders by Keeper ofthe Keys (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @09:32AM
  • Re:what i dont understand, please enlighten me by B. Samedi (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @07:50AM
  • IETF: Spatial Location Server Auth by srk (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @03:31PM
  • Non-issue by MisterKGB (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @09:42AM
  • Re:Scary. by Eric the .5b (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @12:35PM
  • OT: Jurisdiction - but that's OK by Error 404 (Score:1) Thursday March 16 2000, @03:53AM
  • Death of Internet Predicated, Again! by omarius (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @06:45AM
  • Re:Blame Canada! by Zan Thrax (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @12:28PM
  • Re:Blah Blah Blah by Zan Thrax (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @12:35PM
  • not worthy of a patent by anonymous loser (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @06:54AM
  • Re:You really cannot do this with the current TCP/ by FalseConsciousness (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @09:32AM
  • Re:You really cannot do this with the current TCP/ by FalseConsciousness (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @10:35AM
  • In some countries modems have to be registered by DMoylan (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @08:33AM
  • We have "Wall's and Nail's" too, Jack! by BlackHat (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @07:55AM
  • iCraveCrap? by Octos (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @07:10AM
  • Re:No way! by Stonehand (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @06:48AM
  • Re:what i dont understand, please enlighten me by Stonehand (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @06:58AM
  • Re:Circle Logic (ish) by Stonehand (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @07:04AM
  • Re:On behalf of people in Washington State. by penguinicide (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @09:21AM
  • Re:Blah Blah Blah by kootch (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @02:13PM
  • Re:Blah Blah Blah by kootch (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @02:27PM
  • Re:Blah Blah Blah by kootch (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @10:36AM
  • Re:Blah Blah Blah by kootch (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @08:16AM
  • Re:Blah Blah Blah by kootch (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @01:20PM
  • i fail to understand the problem by kootch (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @01:34PM
  • Re:Circle Logic (ish) by Chorizo (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @10:46AM
  • Re:Hey Jon--find a flippin' dictionary! by slashdot-terminal (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @07:02AM
  • Re:well, maybe you can... by Borealis (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @07:43AM
  • But.. by RussGarrett (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @09:34PM
  • Re:Hey Jon--find a flippin' dictionary! by Pastry (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @07:21AM
  • Re:Circle Logic (ish) by billybob jr (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @02:18PM
  • Re:Circle Logic (ish) by billybob jr (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @10:34PM
  • Re:I'm not in the US. Why does DMCA matter to me? by sredding (Score:1) Thursday March 16 2000, @12:57PM
  • Irresistable force meets immovable object? by flyroper (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @06:51AM
  • RIAA at it's best by Coward Anonymous (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @10:24AM
  • Law and geographical screening. by bartok (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @10:11AM
  • .02 cents by boneshintai (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @12:21PM
  • Re:Hey Jon--find a flippin' dictionary! by swordgeek (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @07:29AM
  • Re:hermeneutics by swordgeek (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @09:30AM
  • Re:not worthy of a patent by fraserspeirs (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @07:30AM
  • This type of restriction is already being used... by knowfear (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @09:54AM
  • Re:On green grass and dark clouds by karmatrip (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @03:59PM
  • Big Deal! (Yet Another Stupid Patent) by eddieb (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @08:55AM
  • Re:Even more scary... by Tarquin (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @10:26AM
  • Re:I'm not in the US. Why does DMCA matter to me? by theguvnor (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @04:26PM
  • Complexity and the web by datadictator (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @11:48PM
  • Re:Response, Rant, Armchair Philopophy... by clyons (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @09:55AM
  • On green grass and dark clouds by Rei (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @11:23AM
  • Server-side or firewall blocking? by kd5biv (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @07:12AM
  • Re:OT: Jurisdiction by daSpaZZ (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @08:29AM
  • Re:let's move now! by daSpaZZ (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @09:14AM
  • Re:Non-legal, non-technical solution, IT'S POSSIBL by Jinker (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @06:45PM
  • Concern about legality by notenoughnamespace (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @06:56AM
  • Free Energy by Steel Chicken (Score:1) Thursday March 16 2000, @03:51AM
  • Re:OT: Jurisdiction by Rysc (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @07:18PM
  • This doesn't resolve the issue at hand by DrgnDancer (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @12:12PM
  • what i dont understand, please enlighten me by Claude Debussy (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @06:46AM
  • Re:not worthy of a patent by racermtb (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @08:32AM
  • Re:what i dont understand, please enlighten me by Remote (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @08:21AM
  • Re:Expand your market by limiting your audience! by pestie (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @08:58AM
  • Really, Really bad idea. by www.sorehands.com (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @07:19AM
  • Re:what i dont understand, please enlighten me by latcarf (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @03:48PM
  • Re:what i dont understand, please enlighten me by latcarf (Score:1) Thursday March 16 2000, @07:23AM
  • Re:You really cannot do this with the current TCP/ by foo (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @12:20PM
  • Re:Ever try dowloading high encryption software? by dwyn (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @09:40AM
  • Re:A proven technical solution to this by pakratt (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @06:48AM
  • Re:what i dont understand, please enlighten me by pakratt (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @07:10AM
  • The DMCA: It matters, no matter where you are. by dev_seph (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @08:24AM
  • The DMCA: It matters, no matter where you are. by dev_seph (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @08:24AM
  • Re:Blah Blah Blah by Shaper of Myths (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @07:53AM
  • Re:Blah Blah Blah by Signal311 (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @01:16PM
  • Re:PROTECT THE U.S.A.'S INTERESTS!! by SuperCujo (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @04:50PM
  • DMCA and other countries by SuperCujo (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @01:32PM
  • Re:Circle Logic (ish) by Stary (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @10:01AM
  • Re:Circle Logic (ish) by Stary (Score:1) Thursday March 16 2000, @12:24AM
  • Re:Language error by Stary (Score:1) Thursday March 16 2000, @02:08AM
  • Re:what i dont understand, please enlighten me by citizen_bongo (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @01:41PM
  • Re:Circle Logic (ish) by gilroy (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @09:52AM
  • Re:what i dont understand, please enlighten me by PolyDwarf (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @08:55AM
  • Re:You really cannot do this with the current TCP/ by Staypufd (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @06:52AM
  • Scary. by hijinx2000 (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @06:55AM
  • Re:Ever try dowloading high encryption software? by x0dus (Score:1) Friday March 24 2000, @01:58PM
  • Re:Two words. Proxy servers. by HourShark (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @08:26AM
  • Why not show them what we can really do! by Jayson1 (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @06:04PM
  • I think that this cartoon sums it up nicely by Jonas_Skardis (Score:1) Wednesday March 15 2000, @08:13PM
  • Are borders that bad? by Carior (Score:1) Thursday March 16 2000, @01:28AM
  • I'm not in the US. Why does DMCA matter to me? by Anonymous Coward (Score:2) Wednesday March 15 2000, @07:17AM
  • Re:Circle Logic (ish) by jandrese (Score:2) Wednesday March 15 2000, @07:24AM
  • Broadcasting by Thomas Charron (Score:2) Wednesday March 15 2000, @07:30AM
  • Re:well, maybe you can... by Thomas Charron (Score:2) Wednesday March 15 2000, @07:40AM
  • iCraveTV screwed up by Malc (Score:2) Wednesday March 15 2000, @06:58AM
  • RFC1712: DNS Encoding of Geographical Location by Frédéric (Score:2) Wednesday March 15 2000, @08:27AM
  • Salon articles about geographic screening by Colin Simmonds (Score:2) Wednesday March 15 2000, @08:14AM
  • the danger lies in GOVERNMENT use... by MoNsTeR (Score:2) Wednesday March 15 2000, @11:07AM
  • Re:Non-legal, non-technical solution, IT'S POSSIBL by Phrack (Score:2) Wednesday March 15 2000, @01:09PM
  • Net like International Short Wave Radio by ch-chuck (Score:2) Wednesday March 15 2000, @07:09AM
  • Geographic Screening = Wrong Thing, Wrong Way by dave_aiello (Score:2) Wednesday March 15 2000, @08:35AM
  • No way! by mjuarez (Score:2) Wednesday March 15 2000, @06:42AM
  • Ways to Establish Location (and get around them) by sterno (Score:2) Wednesday March 15 2000, @11:25AM
  • The real reason to fear by zeke (Score:2) Wednesday March 15 2000, @09:07AM
  • Canada's Firewall by Anonymous Shepherd (Score:2) Wednesday March 15 2000, @11:48AM
  • Re:Blah Blah Blah by JohnnyCannuk (Score:2) Wednesday March 15 2000, @09:46AM
  • Re:You really cannot do this with the current TCP/ by Xofer D (Score:2) Wednesday March 15 2000, @07:33AM
  • Re:Blame Canada! by Xofer D (Score:2) Wednesday March 15 2000, @07:36AM
  • A little analysis by Art Popp (Score:2) Wednesday March 15 2000, @10:08AM
  • Re:On green grass and dark clouds by phee (Score:2) Wednesday March 15 2000, @12:50PM
  • Stool Consistancy Database and Draconian Copyright by drenehtsral (Score:2) Wednesday March 15 2000, @09:54AM
  • I say, F*ck 'em by drenehtsral (Score:2) Wednesday March 15 2000, @07:01AM
  • Re:Blah Blah Blah by Wah (Score:2) Wednesday March 15 2000, @12:10PM
  • Re:what i dont understand, please enlighten me by iCEBaLM (Score:2) Wednesday March 15 2000, @06:18PM
  • Re:Blah Blah Blah by iCEBaLM (Score:2) Wednesday March 15 2000, @07:09AM
  • Re:what i dont understand, please enlighten me by iCEBaLM (Score:2) Wednesday March 15 2000, @07:25AM
  • Re:Circle Logic (ish): Sloppy SCMS and DMCA by Foogle (Score:2) Wednesday March 15 2000, @05:58PM
  • Re:Blah Blah Blah by Foogle (Score:2) Wednesday March 15 2000, @07:44AM
  • Re:Circle Logic (ish) by Foogle (Score:2) Wednesday March 15 2000, @08:07AM
  • Re:Circle Logic (ish) by Foogle (Score:2) Wednesday March 15 2000, @08:13AM
  • "Free Jon" on the cover of 2600? by timothy (Score:2) Wednesday March 15 2000, @07:18AM
  • Re:well, maybe you can... by Sun Tzu (Score:2) Wednesday March 15 2000, @06:53AM
  • Re:what i dont understand, please enlighten me by Simon Brooke (Score:2) Wednesday March 15 2000, @09:21AM
  • Re:Circle Logic (ish) by Mr. Slippery (Score:2) Thursday March 16 2000, @04:03AM
  • Re:Circle Logic (ish) by Mr. Slippery (Score:2) Thursday March 16 2000, @07:46PM
  • Re:OT: Jurisdiction by kaphka (Score:2) Wednesday March 15 2000, @03:14PM
  • Hey, it's even more complicated by satanic bunny (Score:2) Wednesday March 15 2000, @01:03PM
  • Re: How wrong can one man be? by penguinicide (Score:2) Wednesday March 15 2000, @07:28AM
  • Re:Circle Logic (ish): Sloppy SCMS and DMCA by mikiN (Score:2) Wednesday March 15 2000, @02:11PM
  • You have a technical solution to a jail cell? by Tau Zero (Score:2) Wednesday March 15 2000, @09:59AM
  • Download from Finland/UK/NL; New Laws Help by billstewart (Score:2) Wednesday March 15 2000, @12:20PM
  • Don't forget about satellite access by Cplus (Score:2) Wednesday March 15 2000, @12:12PM
  • You really cannot do this with the current TCP/IP by slashdot-terminal (Score:2) Wednesday March 15 2000, @06:32AM
  • Re:Hey Jon--find a flippin' dictionary! by slashdot-terminal (Score:2) Wednesday March 15 2000, @06:47AM
  • NASA JPL blocking Brazil Sites by try67 (Score:2) Wednesday March 15 2000, @07:56AM
  • Blame Canada! by ReadbackMonkey (Score:2) Wednesday March 15 2000, @06:38AM
  • Re:You really cannot do this with the current TCP/ by Girf (Score:2) Wednesday March 15 2000, @07:41AM
  • Hey Jon--find a flippin' dictionary! by swordgeek (Score:2) Wednesday March 15 2000, @06:37AM
  • Re:what i dont understand, please enlighten me by swordgeek (Score:2) Wednesday March 15 2000, @07:07AM
  • Is geographic screening practical? by tjwhaynes (Score:2) Wednesday March 15 2000, @06:53AM
  • Re:Response, Rant, Armchair Philopophy... by ripicheep (Score:2) Wednesday March 15 2000, @10:06AM
  • On behalf of people in Washington State. by bons (Score:2) Wednesday March 15 2000, @07:58AM
  • hermeneutics by eliduc (Score:2) Wednesday March 15 2000, @07:36AM
  • Re:Bloody Revolution! :-) by clyons (Score:2) Wednesday March 15 2000, @09:48AM
  • Non-legal, non-technical solution, IT'S POSSIBLE! by Jinker (Score:2) Wednesday March 15 2000, @10:17AM
  • IPv6 by dwyn (Score:2) Wednesday March 15 2000, @08:42AM
  • Re:well, maybe you can... by Lord Ender (Score:2) Wednesday March 15 2000, @10:23AM
  • Global Views.. (Score:3)

    by Thomas Charron (1485) <twaffle@nosPaM.gmail.com> on Wednesday March 15 2000, @07:01AM (#1201226) Homepage
    After thinking about this a bit over the last few days, it occurs to me that an American company has no right to go after a non American company who's buisness is conducted in another county.

    For some reason the US and US companies seem to believe that the US runs the internet, and this is quite simply not the case.

    How is this situation handled in the realm of broadcasting, or telephony? If I setup a TV station in Montreal, which broadcasts into the US something that is legal in Canada, but not in the US, where was a crime commited?

    Does Canadian law state that such rebroadcasts must enforce geagraphic locationing of end consumers? I doubt it. Was this company targetting, aka, selling directly to, US citizens? I doubt it.

    Geographic based laws are as outdated as laws governing where one can ride their horse and buggy. It's simular to a law that mandates one must provide feed for their given modes of transportation being applied to a truck.
  • Re:Blah Blah Blah (Score:3)

    by Thomas Charron (1485) <twaffle@nosPaM.gmail.com> on Wednesday March 15 2000, @07:07AM (#1201227) Homepage
    So who broke the law? iCrave, for not providing adaquete protection, or the US based users who provided fraudulent data to iCrave regarding their area code?
  • Circle Logic (ish) (Score:3)

    by schporto (20516) on Wednesday March 15 2000, @06:39AM (#1201228) Homepage
    OK so under the DMCA the distribution of anything which can aid it the circumvention of copyrights can be considered criminally liable? So by that argument then isn't just about anything criminal? My brain would help me circument copyright - sue my parents. My computer would help - sue the manufacturer. M$-Word helps (hey I can type copyrighted works in) - sue M$. Any programming language and compiler helps - sue them too (all of 'em). CD players help too - sue the manufacturers. Oh wait a minute... My CD manyfactuer is Sony. Who is a member of RIAA. Who pushed this thru. (There's the circle) So they will have to sue them selves. If they don't then really the Finnish guy should sue the DVD manufactuerer under the same laws....
    OK its silly but so is this law.
    -cpd
  • Re:Blah Blah Blah (Score:3)

    by Xofer D (29055) on Wednesday March 15 2000, @07:41AM (#1201229) Homepage Journal
    They say they didn't contest it after a while because, put simply, they ran out of money. Kind of like what would happen if you tried to go up agains the MPAA in court by yourself... they'd stall, you'd lose because they have all the cash. There was a /. article about this... Ah yes, here it is [slashdot.org].
  • by Foogle (35117) on Wednesday March 15 2000, @07:01AM (#1201230) Homepage
    First of all, nobody ever has to sue themselves. But more importantly, it's up to a judge to decide whether or not the device in question not only aids in the circumvention of copyrights, but does so almost exclusively. Clearly you'd be hard pressed to copy a DVD without a DVD player to read it with, but that does not make a DVD player an assisting device in the piracy process. Why? Because the primary, and overwhelming function of the player is to *PLAY* the DVDs. The use of it in piracy is an incidental purpose.

    To the effect of DeCSS, it is a program that has only one use: To circumvent the DVD copy-protection scheme. It's irrelevent what the purpose of doing so was (to watch it under Linux or to pirate it over the internet), because the crime here is the actual act of circumvention

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  • by PhaseBurn (44685) <PhaseBurn@PhaseBurn.net> on Wednesday March 15 2000, @06:56AM (#1201231) Homepage
    Through out history, every time there's been a law pasted, it's been open to interpretation. Everybody who interprets it, may see something different. The result, is it meansdifferent things to different people. And people will exploit whatever they can of it to prove they're correct, and to make money.

    The DMCA was very poorly written, in the first place. The wording itself, I'm not talking about the ideas... yet... And any time you take something like this, history has shown that people will take very different views on it, depending on which side of the matter they're on. Look at the US Constitution if you want another example. How many people say it has "implied" powers, has this, that, and the other thing? Anybody who runs the government. And who says it doesn't, that you can't do what isn't explicitly written? Anybody who WANTS to run the government... And of course, they switch views once elected... That way, they have more power...

    The same thing's going on with the DMCA... It's a paranoia measure, passed by a bunch of congressmen who have no idea what life is really like on the net, signed by a president who I won't even get into the problems with, and supported by a bunch of people who are out to make money.

    You could really think of the RIAA and the MPAA as Microsoft... trying to control everything, causing problems, and eliminating choices... The only difference that I can really see is that Microsoft at least knows the industry, and TRIES to provide for it...

    That being said, why is the government allowing this to happen? You have a monopoly on this, that, and the other thing, and yet all they seem to care about is Microsoft. Not that I dont' think it's important, but there ARE other issues going on here. I personally liked watching iCrave once in a while, and, I most definatly support MP3 files because I've lost so many CDs that I bought when "friends" borrowed 'em for a day or 2 to see if they liked them, or that I accidentally rolled over with my computer chair or spilled iced tea on.... Movies are another thing, yet one and the same... I won't buy a DVD unless I can watch it where I want to, be it on my laptop, home PC, where ever I feel like it... with out buying some $200 player that hooks up to my TV only... I'm sorry, but as a consumer, I disagree... If big name companies are allowed to make software to view those things, and SELL it, why can't I (or anybody else) do the world a favor and write it for free? Last time I checked, it's called "competition" to companies like that, and "community service" to everybody else who uses it...

    We should tell the companies what WE want to buy, they shouldn't tell us what they WANT us to buy...
  • by Mr. Slippery (47854) <tms AT infamous DOT net> on Wednesday March 15 2000, @07:26AM (#1201232) Homepage
    To the effect of DeCSS, it is a program that has only one use: To circumvent the DVD copy-protection scheme.
    NO NO NO NO NO NO NO.

    No.

    Can we please get this straight? DeCSS is not a copy protection scheme. CSS no more protects against copying than writing a message in code prevents it from being photocopied. CSS is about monopoly control of DVD players.

    (This is disregarding the fact that the DMCA hasn't got an ethical or constitutional leg to stand on.)

  • > The main routers and backbones and pipes that connect one country to another are very controlled

    Not in the case of Canada. Most routes go north-south rather than east-west, with the result that if I am in Toronto and I want to connect to a server in Winnipeg, my route could easily go (for instance - likely in practice a bit different) Toronto ISP - Toronto telco hub - Chicago telco hub - Minneapolis - Winnipeg. Geographically, the best route would be east-west (e.g. Toronto - Sault Ste Marie - Winnipeg), but the north-south routes prevail in Canada, with actual east-west being handled on US networks.

    The internet "border" between the US and Canada is so permeable that it really can't be said to exist in any meaningful way.

    Another thing that complicates detemining geographic origin in Canada is that customers of Canadian branch offices of large ISPs appear to be originating from the large ISP's US location. Many, many people looking at Webtrends reports from their Canadian commercial sites have puzzled over why so many of their users appear to be from Virginia.

  • by G27 Radio (78394) on Wednesday March 15 2000, @10:10AM (#1201234) Homepage
    To the effect of DeCSS, it is a program that has only one use: To circumvent the DVD copy-protection scheme. It's irrelevent what the purpose of doing so was (to watch it under Linux or to pirate it over the internet), because the crime here is the actual act of circumvention.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't every single DVD player need to circumvent the copy protection in order for the video to be viewable? I suppose it depends on your interpretation of the word 'circumvent.' (to manage to get around especially by ingenuity or stratagem.) DVD's are unviewable without a means to circumvent the encryption. All DVD players do this--using keys that they've paid a lot of money for. JJ obviously didn't pay for a key to make DeCSS, but there's no legal requirement for him to do so.

    In order to create an open source DVD player the first step absolutely has to be decrypting the data. From that point many open source DVD players can be written. DeCSS is essential for this to work. And this, quite obviously in my opinion, is the intent of DeCSS--to make it possible for people to write software to play DVD's. Not to pirate it, or even to view it. Just to give people and open-source choice in DVD players.

    If the MPAA can prosecute people for DeCSS, then anyone can be prosecuted for writing any software that allows the use of copy protected media. Open source will be selectively targeted because it's so modular.

    Let's look at an MPAA endorsed DVD player for Windows as an example. It decrypts the data on a DVD and produces an MPEG2 stream. It probably contains it's on codec to decode the stream and display it on the screen. DeCSS on the other hand lets the user/software developer decide which codec to use. Tying it to a specific codec and display mechanism would seriously degrade it's value to the open source community.

    Summing things up, DeCSS circumvents copy protection just like any other DVD player. This is not the only purpose of DeCSS or any other DVD player/software. In the case of a DVD player the primary use is viewing. With DeCSS there are nearly infinite potential uses. Viewing, analysis, archiving, and most importantly (IMHO) the development of other software that does these things. All of these things are covered by fair use.

    I know most of you guys already know this, but I figured I should point it out for those who don't--All software DVD players produce decrypted output that can be intercepted and used for the purpose of piracy. Not just DeCSS.

    I realize I probably said more than I had to to point out that circumventing copy protection is not the only use of DeCSS. But I was on a rant. Sorry. (With all respect due Foogle.)

    numb

  • by KenClark (110945) on Wednesday March 15 2000, @09:29AM (#1201235)
    I am a law student, working now in a law firm, and actually have done some research into the iCrave matter for my firm. I am very familliar with this event. I'd just like to clear up some inaccuracies in your post, if you don't mind.

    Two things you should know:

    (a) the Internet is everywhere (as if you didn't know that one) and therefore copying (and copyright violations) occur EVERYWHERE. Every time someone accesses the internet there are copies made all over the place (think of your average traceroute) and therefore potential copyright violations. So it's quite easy to argue that iCrave is copying programming in the United States even if its servers aren't located in the U.S.

    (b) In Canadian law (I'm Canadian) and I believe in the rest of the western world, foreign (e.g. U.S.A.) judgements (court orders) are enforceable in Canadian courts. Recently in Canada there was a front-page story about someone who had lost a Texas libel case by not defending it, and the multi-million dollar judgement (unthinkably large in Canadian terms - the maximum libel damages usually awarded are about $100,000 tops) was UPHELD by the Supreme Court of Canada and declared enforceable against the Canadian doctor. This means that the Canadian Courts will enforce U.S. judgments.

    As a rule, albeit with certain exceptions, foreign judgements will be enforced in Canadian courts.

    The upshot of this is, of course, that had the U.S. companies succeeded in their suit in the U.S.A., their judgement would have been enforceable (and enforced no doubt) in Canada.

    It used to be the case that it was impossible to enforce U.S. judgements in Canada, but in the late-eighties/early-nineties (I think) the Supreme Court of Canada changed its mind, joining the rest of the western world, and ruled that foreign judgements would be enforceable as long as they were done in a fair manner.

    Hope that clears up a few things.

    Ken

  • by clyons (126664) on Wednesday March 15 2000, @07:04AM (#1201236)
    Throughout its history, the net treats censorship as damage and routes around it.

    However, more and more people who circumvent this "damage" are no longer damamge control experts, but criminals.

    The way our present society and present government treats corporations is ass backwards. Individual rights should come before the rights of corporations, not vice-versa. Collectively, groups of individuals should dictate the terms of what is allowable for corporations to do. Unfortunatly, the situation has been as such for so long that it's simply accepted.

    I think one of the tools that we actually have now that is far, far under-exercised is the power to revoke a corporations charter. See this adbusters [adbusters.org] article for more information about the revokation of corporate charters.

    However, as time goes on, more and more power is being shifted away from individuals and their elected representatives, and more towards corporations. Remember, though, that as much money as corporations can put into a politician's war chest, corporations can't vote. If inform voters, and get more of the elgiable public to vote, we can "throw the bums out" and get the law working back in the favor of the individual.

    Thanks go out to Time-Warner/AOL/Whore of Babylon, the RIAA, the MPAA, the DVD Consortioum, and the politicians who have sold our best interests to the highest bidder and best funded lobbyist by passing the DMCA.

  • I have to agree... and I live in the US.

    This used to be such a great country, up until about 1930. Then, THEY took over. I'm not sure if it had anything to do with the great depression or the "big crash" of 1929 or not, but that's about when everything started going to hell. Giant mega-corporations were in control of everything in the form of monopolies; US Steel, Standard Oil; Carnegie and Westinghouse and Rockefeller and a very few others. William Randolph Hearst managed to rile up so many people about marijuana that he got it illegalized rather easily. This is pretty common knowledge, but what isn't common knowledge is why. Hemp had been very very prized up to that point for its incredibly useful nature; there are World War I posters that proclaim "Hemp for victory!" to encourage people to grow hemp for fibers (rope, clothing, paper) and biomass to make fuel out of. Then Hearst came along and decided hemp was threatening his timber industry, so it had to go. THE single most useful plant on earth, and one asshole manages to destroy it in the minds of the idiot sheep of America just by spreading lies about it that nobody ever bothered to verify. It had nothing to do with its drug properties as he claimed; it had everything to do with his greed. It all goes to show that he who controls the media (Hearst was the newspaper baron at that time, controlling almost all media outlets) controls what is perceived by the sheep out there as "reality." And that's exactly what 99.999% of the population of the US is..... sheep who never do any research for themselves, preferring to let "someone else" do it so they have more time to sit on their asses watching TV and eating microwaved meals that are about as nutritious as molten wax. We as a country have lost our way and our sovreignty and our very souls to Big Business.

    And this is just another prime example of the pure evil that are corporations these days. In fact, it's about the third one I've seen just this week... and it's only Wednesday. We average about one major violation of ethics, morality, law, or just plain old common courtesy per day in this country, and every time who's doing it? The RIAA. The MPAA. The CIA. The NSA. The WTO. The World Bank. The UN. One arm of the government or another. China (both in mainland China and Tibet). Everywhere you look, it's the same; mayhem and chaos propagated by the Elite Few against people without any possibility of being able to defend themselves physically, financially, spiritually, or emotionally. It's always the easy targets that get hit too; 16 year olds in Europe, small start-ups in Canada, some guy named Coolio who may or may not have been the Coolio, etc. As far as all these gluttonous companies are concerned, they take priority over us, our property, our money, our lives, our very existence... and it's just a matter of time before there's an upwelling, a rebellion, against them and their totalitarian crap.

    Picture the US before it was the US. Mid-1700's. England still ruled the land with harsh, unjust taxes and imperial apathy; as long as the raw materials and other goods kept flowing from the west side of the Atlantic to the east side, England didn't care what it had to do to maintain the status quo. And what happened? People got tired of it. Sick to death of it. Back then, people weren't sheep; they were hardened veterans of life, bruised by years of labor to benefit someone they'd never even met. Bitter, resentful people. Even the landowners, the businessmen, hated England as much as the laborers. And they, being the hardened capable people that they were, did something about it, didn't they? The American Revolution was the result, and this country was wrested from England's greedy claws bit by bit until finally they couldn't hold on anymore. And here we are, 200+ years later, in exactly the same position, but under a slightly different bootheel.

    What to do, what to do... Are we hardened enough to do whatever it takes to rid ourselves of the blight of corporatism in this country? Are we capable of a long protracted fight against all that is evil? After all, We the People outnumber Them, the Leashholders by about, ohhh, a million to one... the only way we can lose is by never bothering to fight. Admittedly, the way the system is set up now means that just about the only means at our disposal that would be effective are illegal by one definition or another, but... but dammit, I'm sick of being a part of a country.. nay, a species... that screws its own over just for a little more cash. I'm sick of human suffering being ignored (or even caused) by the governments of this planet. I'm sick of Big Money being the driving force behind the perpetuation of damn near everything that is wrong with the human race (organized religions being the other half of that particular equation), and I'm especially sick of feeling powerless to do anything about it. Because I, the individual, am powerless. You, the individual, whoever you are, are equally powerless. But in a more global, unified sense, just who are we?

    Think about it. This is the Information Age. The entire WORLD runs on the machines that we invent, set up, operate, maintain, repair, and control. Do you think there are any chairmen of the board, or vice presidents of marketing, or deputy directors in the FBI, who know *anything* about computers, networking, the net, etc? Could your boss, even, go into a PIX firewall and re-enable port 80 so that The Roads Can Roll? Who here remembers Thoreau's "Civil Disobedience"?

    "Men make an arbitrary code, and because it is not right,

    they try to make it prevail by might.
    The moral law does not want any champion.
    Its asserters do not go to war.
    It was never infringed with impunity."

    "The law will never make men free;
    it is men who have got to make the law free.
    They are the lovers of law and order,
    who observe the law when the government breaks it."

    The more laws there are, especially laws that protect big business at the expense of the workers that (after all) support these businesses with the sweat of their brows and their proverbial strong backs, the less free we are as a people... not just America, but everywhere. And the longer we allow it to go on, the longer we're going to keep getting screwed by people like Jack Valenti (who is just a man, after all). I mean, why shouldn't we just go on letting the government put plutonium in us just to see what it does (read about it! [myriad.net])? Why shouldn't we let them do things like using human subjects as unwitting guinea pigs (read about it! [pbs.org])? Why shouldn't we.

    Something has to be done... and fast, before they have obedience microchips implanted in our brains or something and we all become Financial Borg, helpless to do anything but service the collective... err, I mean, the powerholders of the world, our masters but for a little disobedience. It would be worth it just to get rid of all these insipid little animated banner ads on Slashdot and elsewhere, just sitting there sucking up my CPU and bandwidth for no reason (since I never look at them and probably nobody else on earth does now, either)...

    I'll just sit here quietly now and wait for the Trilateral Commission's Black Ops Squad to come and pick me up.


    "The best weapon of a dictatorship is secrecy, but the best weapon of a democracy should be the weapon of openness."
  • Blah Blah Blah (Score:4)

    by Foogle (35117) on Wednesday March 15 2000, @06:41AM (#1201238) Homepage
    This from the same guy who told us to help underage kids get into R-rated movies.

    Sorry, but I think this Loss-of-Freedom spiel is getting old. Yeah, this sort of thing could "balkanize" the Internet; I admit the possibility. However, in cases such as the iCraveTV suit, some sort of geographical restrictions are necessary.

    The "Enter your Canadian Area Code:" prompt at iCraveTV's website was a joke. Any US retard with 5 minutes on his hands could get around this protection, and while a lot of us may like it that way, it's breaking laws. Canada may allow rebroadcasting, but the US does not.

    Clearly this is going to be an issue that comes up more and more frequently in the future: How do national laws apply to an international network? There are already some precedents made, but it's obvious that we're not finished by a long shot. Until we see an international set of laws regarding internet content and liabilities, I think geographical restrictions may be the way to go.

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  • OT: Jurisdiction (Score:5)

    by nstrug (1741) on Wednesday March 15 2000, @06:56AM (#1201239) Homepage
    Like many Americans, John Katz makes the mistake of thinking that US law applies outside the US. Jon was not questioned under the DMCA, which obviously has no authority in Norway. He was questioned under Norwegian intellectual property statutes.

    iCraveTV was sued in both Canadian and US courts, however it is debateable as to whether the US court has jurisdition. It could be argued that the breach of copyright occurred in the US. If iCraveTV has no exposure in the US market (no offices, US arm of the business), the courts decisions are pretty much unenforceable.

    This is an aspect of US courts I have never understood - they are willing to award court decisions against foreign companies that have no chance of ever being enforced. I know of a British outdoor activities organisation that was sued in a Californian court for negligence (they 'damaged' an American tourist.) They didn't bother defending the case and the plaintiff was awarded damages of several million dollars which she has no hope of ever collecting. Why didn't the judge just say 'hey if you want to collect, sue them in an English court.'? This mentality extend even to Congress, I have a friend who was 'summoned' to testify before Congress (the German bank he works for is doing something that upsets the US government.) He told them to piss off. Still, he gets a bit nervous everytime his passport gets swiped when he lands at JFK...

    Nick

  • Incorrect. Think of it this way...

    The main routers and backbones and pipes that connect one country to another are very controlled (like China's incoming connections). This allows them to block/filter net access at its weakest point -- the few incoming connections. But anyway, all one would have to do to figure out what country you're in is do a traceroute from you to them. If it gets routed through one of these well-known and well-controlled (sprint, mci, bbn, uunet, etc) routers, then you know what country the other end is in. Some of these main routers even have LOC records in their DNS, meaning the exact latitude and longitude of the machine is available to anyone. But remember; it isn't the geographic location of the client machine that concerns them; it's what country it's in... and while an exact location would be almost impossible to determine, a route to that machine is always available. Unless it was spoofed, of course. :-)

    So TCP/IP isn't really the issue; DNS is.

    Hey; maybe I could patent this method of... nah. I'd sooner die than become One Of THEM...


    "The best weapon of a dictatorship is secrecy, but the best weapon of a democracy should be the weapon of openness."
  • by x0dus (163280) on Wednesday March 15 2000, @07:44AM (#1201241)
    While it's all nice for Katz to blame Canada (and not a company located inside it) for inventing "geographic screening", he obviously has ignored the fact that the United States has been doing so for much longer. Whenever I try to download high encryption software I have to sign my life away saying that I live in the US or Canada. Even after that, most sites will even do a reverse lookup on my ip address just to be sure. This seems to be worse "geographic screening" than iCraveTV.com did (valid postal code needed), yet he never hints about it durring his rant of the day...

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