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Java Security Hole Makes Netscape Into Web Server
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on Sat Aug 05, 2000 09:22 PM
from the big-and-bad dept.
from the big-and-bad dept.
Baldrson and other folks as well write: "Dan Brumleve is at it again with Brown Orifice. In this episode, our fearless grey hat opens a security hole in the Web's foundation that makes Napster look positively tame by comparison. Be careful with this, kids. It turns your Netscape Web browser into a Web server that can serve up your entire file system to any other Web browser."
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Netscape hasn't been any good for the last 5 years (Score:4)
Now this. Netscape's browser was merely a platform to sell Netscape's server software. They only complained about IE when M$ started giving away IIS with NT - and then got really loud when IE surpassed Communicator in features and support (that's right... M$ might have had a few security leaks to fix, but they usually responded swiftly). Netscape often gets a lot less scrutiny compared to M$' browser, too, I might add.
Netscape sucks. A one hit wonder that now ranks below M$ and others in browser and server software.
the REAL question is... (Score:3)
Seriously, I think the biggest issue will be a non-interactive thing that can be emailed to anyone, instead of this consent-to-opening-form thing. Because netscape is only open for a short time, a real proper exploit would have to make an outbound connection to a preset IP to "check-in" that it's available.
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Re:Why is exploit being promulgated immediately? (Score:3)
In point of fact, something of this nature has occured as previously documented by Dan. It may not be Christian for Dan to fail to endlessly forgive transgressions and abuses of his trust, but then I thought business was about reciprocal altruism, not simply continuing to do favors for those who demonstrate a track record of abusing your trust.
If the force of law is to apply here, would it not make sense to prosecute the responsible parties at CERT, or wherever, if they abuse the professional courtesy extended them by people from around the world (not just in the United States) since, having been granted a unique position of public trust and authority, the abuse of said public trust and authority (for example, failing to respond as their name "emergency response" would suggest) subjects the global public to far greater dangers than a "premature" disclosure by one grey hat?
The grey hats of the world do not exist for the convenience of flabby and possibly corrupt bureaucrats -- nor should the web users of the world have to wait for the flabby and possibly corrupt bureaucrats to possibly notify their corrupt cronies of exploits so that maximum criminal profits may be extracted, whether through plagerism or direct criminal activity.
Oh, but there I go being paranoid about the government again. ;-)
Works also with blackdown Java plugin (Score:5)
Every day I raise up thanks for ipchains(8):
ipchains -A input -l -y -j REJECT
who said this is a bad thing? (well, entirely bad) (Score:4)
netscape server obsolete? (Score:3)
and you people mocked netscape. shows you all.
and i guess with mozilla, they'll be able to completely take over my computer, seeing how it will be an entire platform for doing everything...
Re:Works also with blackdown Java plugin (Score:3)
That said, thanks for the -y info. I was wondering if I could do that and hadn't gotten around to browsing the man page yet.
Re:Here's why it works (Score:4)
the enlightening method, from ServerSocket is:
t HostAddress(),
protected final void implAccept(Socket s)
throws IOException {
try {
s.impl.address = new InetAddress();
s.impl.fd = new FileDescriptor();
impl.accept(s.impl);
SecurityManager security =
System.getSecurityManager();
if (security != null) {
security.checkAccept(s.impl.getInetAddress().ge
s.impl.getPort());
}
} catch (IOException e) {
s.impl.close();
throw e;
} catch (SecurityException e) {
s.impl.close();
throw e;
}
}
Basically, you can't easily not do the open, because you need to get the port and host address from the impl attribute of the socket - after telling it to open. I think that a more sound approach would be to make impl flexible enough to do it's dns setup without actually opening.
Anyway though, the upshot is that the current approach requires that we trust the close method on impl. Looking back through the initializers which create impl, I think this is safe, but hard to prove safe. My guess is that the earlier JVM classes did this incorrectly - they trusted s.close instead of s.impl.close. Which is bad; we don't know where s has been.
Read Risks Forum, CERT (Score:3)
You need to read Risks if you:
- Use and depend on computers in any but the most trivial way
- Program computers
- Make policy decisions regarding computers
- Operate computers in a way that affects safety (pilot a modern airplane, work in a hospital)
- Use computers in a way that may impact your own safety (flown on a modern airplane lately?)
I think that probably covers most Slashdot readers, which is why I keep posting it here.You might also want to check out the book "Computer Related Risks" by forum moderator Peter G. Neumann ISBN 020155805X. It draws on material from the forum but discusses it in greater depth. You'll find it at all the online bookstores and many local bookstores as well.
Here's a few of my own posts to Risks:
I also recommend that everyone refer regularly to the CERT Coordination Center [cert.org] to read the latest in security advisories and report security problems to them when you find them.Re:Glad I run Netscape from behind a firewall. (Score:3)
warez.slashdot.org [slashdot.org]
enjoy!
Slashdot is a good beta test site for a crack (Score:3)
Is this Java Security Model or Implementation? (Score:3)
Obviously non-sandboxed scripting languages like Javascript and ActiveX are a different kind of risk, and simply can't be trusted.
Re:Strangeness... (Score:3)
Re:Unbelievable,... or not? (Score:3)
So are you a troll, or just ignorant?
Last time I checked Bugtraq there were a whole bunch of people searching through all sorts of open source software for holes, and reporting them.
Last time I looked at www.openbsd.org, it had done a thourough review of any potential security holes in their open source operating system.
And last time I checked, neither the Netscape 4.x browser nor its Java component were Open Source.
Steven E. Ehrbar
Re:Wow (Score:3)
Re:Works also with blackdown Java plugin (Score:5)
Also, the exploit uses classes from netscapes java40.jar (netscape.net.URLConnection and netscape.net.URLInputStream), these classes are *not* available in the plug-in.
Juergen
--
Juergen Kreileder, Blackdown Java-Linux Team
http://www.blackdown.org/java-linux.html
JVM'01: http://www.usenix.org/events/jvm01/
Re:Not really a problem (Score:5)
Not really a problem (Score:4)
A Java based exploit can turn netscape browser into a server.
That oughta last about 3 seconds until Java locks up the netscape process.
Most Windows people have no idea how pathetically unstable Java for linux is.
That is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. (Score:5)
What a colossal load of absolute crap. First off, I am as pro-open source as anyone else, but this type of fanaticism makes me sick. You're telling me I should use a product that has been essentially forgotten by its creators to further political goals? No frigging way. I loathe Microsoft for everything they stand for, and I don't trust their product as far as I can throw it, but there is no damn way I will use a substandard product just to spite them. I run a weblog and ditched Netscape after losing my seventh article due to an unexpected and completely random bail, so if by switching to a clearly superior product that actually matters to its developers I am nurturing the tool of Satan, then I'm happy to do so.
It's ridiculous statements like yours that give OSS proponants a bad name, because by your own admission, quality of product has absolutely no meaning as long as you're screwing Bill in the process. Since when do OSS pundits argue for the purchase of commercial software like Opera? Sounds like pure politics to me. And guess what, I do develop for IE more than anything else simply because the viable alternatives either expect me to shell out hard earned cash I don't have, or have neglected the product to the point of borderline uselessness. Opera makes a great browser that nobody will ever know about because it's commercial software with free alternatives.
Netscape's outright loss in the web browser war has less to do with Microsoft's monopoly than it does AOL's complete neglect of a once desirable product, and if NS6 PR1 is any indication, nothing has changed. Standards compliance means precisely jack if the damn thing is slow, crashy or just plain unusable for any combination of reasons.
I hope you enjoy playing politician while the vast majority make choices based upon quality of product.
Here's why it works (Score:5)
The first problem is that Netscape's SecurityManager does not throw a SecurityExecption when the BOServerSocket constructor creates a java.net.ServerSocket. Here's the exception thrown in IE:
*******************************
com.ms.security.SecurityExceptionEx[BOServerSoc
at com/ms/security/permissions/NetIOPermission.check
at com/ms/security/PolicyEngine.deepCheck
at com/ms/security/PolicyEngine.checkPermission
at com/ms/security/StandardSecurityManager.chk
at com/ms/security/StandardSecurityManager.checkList
at java/net/ServerSocket.
at java/net/ServerSocket.
at BOServerSocket.
at BOHTTPD.init
at com/ms/applet/AppletPanel.securedCall0
at com/ms/applet/AppletPanel.securedCall
at com/ms/applet/AppletPanel.processSentEvent
at com/ms/applet/AppletPanel.processSentEvent
at com/ms/applet/AppletPanel.run
at java/lang/Thread.run
***********************************
After the ServerSocket is created, a SecurityException _is_ thrown whenever the BOServerSocket calls implAccept, but this Exception is easily caught. Also, by the time the Exception is thrown, the damage is already done. Here's the Exception:
************************************
netscape.security.AppletSecurityException: security.Couldn't connect to '127.0.0.1' with origin from '216.61.198.249'.
at java.lang.Throwable.(Compiled Code)
at java.lang.Exception.(Compiled Code)
at java.lang.RuntimeException.(Compiled Code)
at java.lang.SecurityException.(Compiled Code)
at netscape.security.AppletSecurityException.(Compil
at netscape.security.AppletSecurityException.(Compil
at netscape.security.AppletSecurity.checkConnect(Com
at netscape.security.AppletSecurity.checkConnect(Com
at netscape.security.AppletSecurity.checkConnect(Com
at netscape.security.AppletSecurity.checkAccept(Comp
at java.lang.SecurityManager.checkAccept(Compiled Code)
* at java.net.ServerSocket.implAccept(Compiled Code)
at BOServerSocket.accept_any(Compiled Code)
at BOHTTPD.run(Compiled Code) at java.lang.Thread.run(Compiled Code)
************************************
So, to recap: 1) Netscape does not throw a SecurityException when a ServerSocket is created in BOServerSocket., and 2) the connection is made by the time the exception is thrown in ServerSocket.implAccept().
#1 is Netscape's fault. They haven't implemented their security policies correctly, specifically that a ServerSocket can't listen on a port in an unsecure applet. #2 is definately Sun's fault because the SecurityException can easily be circumvented by overloading Socket.close().
Bravo to the grey hat for finding this!
Re:So who would run Netscape as root? (Score:3)
enough to do that, right? Well... maybe Red Hat users.
Actually, netscape is used as the UI to a number of sysadmin utils including up2date. (And, yes, it does run netscape as root.)
NFS (Score:3)