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Peace Corps to Wire Senegal

Posted by michael on Thu Mar 06, 2003 09:10 AM
from the goodwill-to-men dept.
An anonymous submitter wrote: "Peace Corps Online is reporting on the White House's Digital Freedom Initiative that will place volunteers from the Peace Corps, Hewlett-Packard and Cisco in a pilot program in Senegal where they will leverage nearly 200 cybercafes and 10,000 telecenters to provide opportunities for small businesses and entrepreneurs. The idea isn't new - David Rothman proposed an Electronic Peace Corps in 1984, the Geek Corps has been doing this kind of work in Ghana for years, and the Peace Corps already has about 1,500 volunteers working in information technology."
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  • why? (Score:2)

    by mschoolbus (627182) <travisriley@gmai l . c om> on Thursday March 06 2003, @09:13AM (#5448557)
    Why don't they just spend money on developing a wider range wireless technology that has a lower price and place those all along highways places where more people will be. I just don't understand why a cyber cafe would be more of an interest than wide scale internet.
    • Re:why? (Score:5, Interesting)

      by droid_rage (535157) on Thursday March 06 2003, @09:21AM (#5448593)
      (Last Journal: Tuesday June 10 2003, @10:48PM)
      Maybe it's because most entrepreneurs and small business owners in Senegal can't afford a computer, and would be better off renting small amounts of time as needed. According to the world bank Senegal's GNP per capita for 1996 was only $570. [worldbank.org] I doubt it's gotten much higher.
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      • Re:why? by isorox (Score:2) Thursday March 06 2003, @10:30AM
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    • Re:why? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by jem (78392) on Thursday March 06 2003, @09:22AM (#5448601)
      Because it's realistic? if you electricity and telecoms already then it's going to be much easier to set everything else up. Plus an Internet Cafe is a good place for people to meet, get training, etc.
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      • Re:why? (Score:5, Insightful)

        by vidarh (309115) <vidar@hokstad.name> on Thursday March 06 2003, @09:48AM (#5448736)
        (http://www.edgeio.com/ | Last Journal: Wednesday March 09 2005, @10:42AM)
        I agree with you about internet cafe's as a good place to meet and provide access. It's important to focus in this, as the point is to provide access to people who are unlikely to afford a computer (or for that matter their own radio, telephone or TV).

        However long range wireless solutions might be very suitable for many of these countries for bringing internet access to the cafes, because the poverty levels means that even phone lines get stolen quite often for the copper many places (some countries have even had cases of people cutting down power cables to sell the scrap metal).

        Securing a number of wireless routers might be easier than securing miles and miles of cable. Additionally, putting up phone cables is expensive, and many African countries have extremely under developed landline networks, and it's not a given that setting up wireless connections won't be cheaper.

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        • Re:why? by vocaro (Score:2) Thursday March 06 2003, @12:00PM
          • Re:why? by JPriest (Score:1) Thursday March 06 2003, @01:02PM
            • Re:why? by vocaro (Score:2) Thursday March 06 2003, @02:22PM
          • Re:why? by vidarh (Score:2) Thursday March 06 2003, @06:22PM
          • Re:why? by sbwoodside (Score:2) Friday March 07 2003, @12:46AM
            • Re:why? by vocaro (Score:1) Friday March 07 2003, @03:06AM
            • Re:why? by vocaro (Score:1) Friday March 07 2003, @03:46AM
        • Re:why? by sbwoodside (Score:1) Thursday March 06 2003, @02:19PM
      • Re:why? by collapser (Score:2) Thursday March 06 2003, @09:49AM
        • Re:why? (Score:5, Informative)

          by pe1rxq (141710) on Thursday March 06 2003, @10:20AM (#5448920)
          (http://gate.vitsch.net/~pe1rxq/)
          It is all very simple actually....

          You can find practicly anything on the internet, no need for expensive books, all you need is a little curiousity.

          As for fighting big business and governments all you need is to set up a 'poor-villages-against-whatever' mailinglist and you can organize.

          That is the power of the internet: spreading information at practicly no cost.

          Jeroen
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        • Re:why? by perfessor multigeek (Score:2) Thursday March 06 2003, @12:29PM
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    • Re:why? by Viol8 (Score:2) Thursday March 06 2003, @10:14AM
  • Swell! (Score:5, Funny)

    by LeoDV (653216) on Thursday March 06 2003, @09:13AM (#5448558)
    (Last Journal: Wednesday February 18 2004, @06:15AM)
    We've got no food, but now we've got BROADBAND! (First post?)
    • Re:Swell! by collapser (Score:3) Thursday March 06 2003, @09:37AM
      • Re:Swell! by kinnell (Score:1) Thursday March 06 2003, @09:45AM
        • Re:Swell! by collapser (Score:1) Thursday March 06 2003, @09:53AM
        • Re:Swell! (Score:5, Insightful)

          by Angry White Guy (521337) <CaptainBurly[AT]goodbadmovies.com> on Thursday March 06 2003, @09:57AM (#5448784)
          That's only half of the equation. Constant fighting between the political factions, stimulated by Colonial Europe's arbirtary division of the continent without regards for tribal boundaries (Forcing the Huutu and Tsutse tribes to live together), and corruption of their parliment have prevented African countries from prospering, as much as cash crop farming for the western world.

          A large portion of Africa is farmland, but dedicated to export crops. There is little left over for staple farming. The money earned from these cash crops makes the landowners rich, which in turn makes the government rich. The profit is dumped into the military, buying jets and tanks, troops, training camps, etc to quell uprisings and 'protect' their country. Little is left over for urban development, health care, or infrastructure. Much of the foreign aid is absorbed by the government.

          Tackling the root causes is difficult, as it is not only the western world which is profiting from Africa's poverty. It is their own leaders as well.
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      • Please stop the "they only need food" by Anonymous Coward (Score:2) Thursday March 06 2003, @10:45AM
      • "Useless"? by perfessor multigeek (Score:2) Thursday March 06 2003, @12:49PM
      • Re:Swell! by Scarblac (Score:2) Thursday March 06 2003, @01:24PM
      • Re:Swell! by smallpaul (Score:2) Thursday March 06 2003, @02:41PM
    • Re:Swell! by theophilosophilus (Score:3) Thursday March 06 2003, @09:42AM
    • Re:Swell! by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Thursday March 06 2003, @10:28AM
    • Re:Swell! by mousse-man (Score:1) Thursday March 06 2003, @11:18AM
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  • This is good but... (Score:3, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 06 2003, @09:24AM (#5448607)
    The internet has a vast store of information, and I think creating this kind of infrastructure is a good thing, but we have to keep in mind that technology can't solve all problems. There is an excellent article at the linux journal site that illustrates some important points:

    http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=4657 [linuxjournal.com]

  • And Now the News... (Score:4, Funny)

    by johndiii (229824) <johndiii@NOSpAM.amilost.com> on Thursday March 06 2003, @09:24AM (#5448609)
    (Last Journal: Wednesday December 12, @07:37PM)
    The "Senegalese Minister" scam overtakes the "Nigerian Minister" scam as the leading scam spam theme.
  • Always has to be hardware (Score:5, Interesting)

    by jj_johny (626460) on Thursday March 06 2003, @09:25AM (#5448612)
    It seems that everyone who does development work does not feel that they have made a difference unless they leave behind something to point at: A dam, a tall building, an internet... Please although internet access maybe easy to get your hands around, accessible technology that the educated can support and widely available, it really is way behind other issues that need to be fixed. Most countries need better laws, courts, banks not IT infrastructure.

    Well at least Cisco and HP are branching into new market and away from the saturated ones.

    • Re:Always has to be hardware by hoppy (Score:2) Thursday March 06 2003, @09:47AM
    • Re:Always has to be hardware (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Thomas M Hughes (463951) on Thursday March 06 2003, @09:48AM (#5448737)
      IT Infrastructure is useful in developing other kinds of infrastructure, assuming it can be effectively used.
      Most countries need better laws, courts, banks
      Better laws can theoretically be attained in semi-democratic and democratic countries through providing information about current laws, and things that are going up for voting in the legislative body, as well as providing a conduit for citizens to contact their government members in order to influence policy.

      Better courts can be attained, especially in countries that utilize a common law standard, by having the court system linked up, so all judicial reviews can be viewed quickly, easily and instantaneously. Thus, the court system can act more consistently as a whole across the entire nation-state, as opposed to the personal habits of each judge. Also, abuses in the system can be reported easier across great distances, if the other branches of the government are plugged in as well.

      Banks are another institution that really need to be connected, and have a sharing of information between them. Computers are very useful in documenting a credit history on individuals, making it much easier to call up, so any bank can view it much faster for when determining whether or not to give an individual a loan. Transfers between institutions are better handled electronically as well.

      The Internet also provides a cheap way for local nation-wide businesses to post job listings, theoretically allowing for out of work people to be put in touch easier with companies that need workers, improving the overall economy. Though, it is important to note that the US has had some serious flaws with this, but not to the point where its completely useless. I have found work off an Internet job posting before.

      Along with increased mobility, you also have a better chance of affordable communication with relatives within the country. Thus, despite the physical distance potentially developing between citizens and their families, all touch won't be lost.

      And of course, there is always the benefit of being able to access a wealth of information sources on the Internet that encourage people to view other places in the world and see how they function, so that they might demand change at home.

      The point is, just because IT infrastructure seems like a luxury, improved and increased communication between all levels of society is an inherently good thing for democratic institutions, as well as developing market economies. It might not be as useful as building a power plant, or teaching them better farming techniques, however the companies helping here aren't farming or power companies. They're IT companies, so they're helping the way they know how to help.
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    • Re:Always has to be hardware by Oxygen99 (Score:1) Thursday March 06 2003, @10:21AM
    • Re:Always has to be hardware by dkf (Score:1) Thursday March 06 2003, @11:08AM
    • Fallacy of Other People's Volunteering by lucasw (Score:2) Thursday March 06 2003, @12:11PM
    • Re:Always has to be hardware by Surreal_Streaker (Score:1) Thursday March 06 2003, @12:50PM
  • yay (Score:3, Funny)

    by JeanBaptiste (537955) on Thursday March 06 2003, @09:26AM (#5448620)
    Now I will get twice as many BUSINESS PROPOSALS from DR ZUNAGA MBASAWA in SOME RANDOM COUNTRY trying to get me to help him wire $75000000USD from his recently deceased father's offshore account.
    • Re: yay by Black Parrot (Score:1) Thursday March 06 2003, @09:45AM
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  • Open Source is crucial... (Score:2, Interesting)

    by tau_bada (465512) on Thursday March 06 2003, @09:33AM (#5448645)
    I certainly hope Peace Corps intends to use open source for these projects. One of the most import tenants of Peace Corps projects is sustainability from a host country's perspective - a perfect dovetail for open source code.
  • Sutil slogan changes... (Score:5, Funny)

    by gmuslera (3436) <gmuslera@@@gmail...com> on Thursday March 06 2003, @09:37AM (#5448674)
    (Last Journal: Tuesday April 12 2005, @11:12PM)
    Hippie: "Make love, not war"
    Yuppie: "Make lan, not war"
  • ...we see 419-style senegalese scams???

    (What is the number of the senegalese penal code that prohibits such scams???)

  • Helping out online (Score:4, Informative)

    by rf0 (159958) <rghf@fsck.me.uk> on Thursday March 06 2003, @09:42AM (#5448702)
    (http://www.a2b2.com/)
    In a similar vain people might be interested in NetAid [netaid.org] which apart of the UN in helping out online less developed countries

    Rus
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  • What will it do? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Txiasaeia (581598) <kungpowfriesens@gmail . c om> on Thursday March 06 2003, @09:43AM (#5448711)
    My wife was in Senegal in a few years, and after seeing this article, she commented, "Well, that might help the people in cities, but what about most of the people who live in rural areas?"

    Besides, the people in this country can't afford Coke as a general rule -- even when they can, they return the glass (yes, glass!) bottle right away to get the deposit back and put the Coke in a plastic bag to drink. There are already enough cybercafes in Dakar; perhaps this cash should be going towards helping the little Muslim boys that run around the streets, forced into virtual slavery (via begging) in order to make a few bucks for their master.

  • by Goody (23843) on Thursday March 06 2003, @09:51AM (#5448749)
    (http://technocrat.net/ | Last Journal: Monday March 29 2004, @12:53PM)
    So we can see people receiving grain rations and immunizations at the "cybercafes".
  • Business Opportunity (Score:3, Funny)

    by ch-chuck (9622) on Thursday March 06 2003, @09:52AM (#5448758)
    (http://slashdot.org/)
    they will leverage nearly 200 cybercafes and 10,000 telecenters to provide opportunities for small businesses and entrepreneurs.

    Great. Now AOL will be intercepting 2 billion spams / month, from a new country tld.

  • Buzzspeak - English translation (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Viol8 (599362) on Thursday March 06 2003, @10:12AM (#5448880)
    Word #234:
    leverage (vb): means "use"
    Alternative trendy buzzwords and phrases:
    enabled
    facilitate deployment
    fixed resource empowerment
    consolidate operational dynamics
    foster tangible goals
  • Woo-hoo! Where to next? (Score:3, Funny)

    by Uninvited Guest (237316) on Thursday March 06 2003, @10:12AM (#5448884)
    When does the Peace Corps come to my neighborhood, here in the US? This would be so...*ring* Hold on... call coming in...

    What's that? Peace Corps? Yes. Overseas only? I see. Nothing inside the US? Aha.*click*

    Never mind.
  • from CIA Factbook (Score:3, Insightful)

    check it [cia.gov]

    COMMUNICATIONS

    • Telephones - main lines in use: 234,916 (2001)
    • Telephones - mobile cellular: 373,965 (2001)
    • Telephone system: general assessment: good system domestic: above-average urban system; microwave radio relay, coaxial cable and fiber-optic cable in trunk system international: 4 submarine cables; satellite earth station - 1 Intelsat (Atlantic Ocean)
    • Radio broadcast stations: AM 10, FM 14, shortwave 0 (1998)
    • Radios: 1.24 million (1997)
    • Television broadcast stations: 1 (1997)
    • Televisions: 361,000 (1997)
    • Internet country code: .sn
    • Internet Service Providers (ISPs): 15 (2002)
    • Internet users: 40,000 (2001)
    Lesser-developed countries flock to cell phones to get around there out-dated, out-moded, out-period telephone communications, I guess.

    Sounds like the Peace Corps needs to Wi-Fi Senegal rather than wire it.

  • I mean where else could Uncle Sam foot your bill and still allow you unfettered access to fully automatic AK-47s, AKMs and RPGs?

    Considering those are the three weapons I'd love to have...sign me up!
  • Woah, 1500 IT workers? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by jonbrewer (11894) on Thursday March 06 2003, @11:17AM (#5449273)
    I think not. Sure 1559 volunteers may be "promoting" IT in their roles, but there certainly are not 1559 Peace Corps volunteers working in IT. The vast majority of these people are English teachers who have a secondary project of trying to improve their school's computer lab, often using "creative grant-writing" techniques to appropriate funds marked for women's health or community development.

    Until "IT" is a Peace Corps job category like Education, Agriculture, Health, and Environment, Peace Corps will not be taking IT seriously.

    I speak from experience.

    -JB (Volunteer - Poland 15, 1999-2000)
  • WTF!? (Score:2, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 06 2003, @11:33AM (#5449404)
    WTF? Why are we wiring Senegal when I can't even get DSL to my neighborhood? %&*%$#!!!
  • 419 can boost their economy too!
  • hmmm.... (Score:2)

    by oPless (63249) on Thursday March 06 2003, @12:11PM (#5449925)
    (Last Journal: Monday December 18 2006, @11:19PM)
    Anyone read this as:

    Peace Corps Wire Segal ?
  • by Call Me Black Cloud (616282) on Thursday March 06 2003, @01:00PM (#5450400)
    You didn't put hyperlinks to the White House, Cisco, or HP! That's too bad...You were closing in on the record for hyperlinks in a single submission.
  • by Radical Rad (138892) on Thursday March 06 2003, @01:02PM (#5450429)
    (http://www.factcheck.org/)
    There are lots of neighborhoods around me that can't get high speed internet access.
  • Senegal is a great place to mount an initiative like this because they have access to some serious bandwidth. The SAT-3/WASC/SAFE undersea fibre optic cable landed in Senegal [worldmarketsanalysis.com] last year, delivering multiple gigabits of internet bandwidth. This is in contast to the previous situation, where basically all of Africa had less bandwidth than the headquarters of my former employer.

    But the idea of wiring Senegal is all wrong. What's needed is wireless. Wireless internet (e.g. 802.11b Wi-Fi) is a far more appropriate solution in a country like Senegal where traditional wireline infrastructure is going to be subject to harsh environmental conditions and being destroyed by political unrest. Wi-Fi long-distance links can span 30 km in a single hop, and the towers like cell towers can be powered with generators. Wi-Fi delivers true broadband, 802.11b is 10Mbps, and 802.11a and 802.11g can deliver more like 30Mbps.

    Broadband is essential. With broadband you can deliver the killer app (yeah, I said killer app) of the rural internet which is Voice over IP. People in Senegal, well, the literacy rate isn't so high, and VoIP is what's really useful to people as it allows them to call members of their family who may be off making money in other parts of the world, to call into town to check crop prices, to call their relatives in the city. Of course this requires policy to make sure that VoIP is legal and that the national telco doesn't try to block it to protect their own profits.

    If you're interested in wireless long-distance links, you might be interested in a mailing list on the subject, wireless-longhaul@openict.net. You can subscribe here [openict.net], and the mailing list home page is here [openict.net].
  • by msouth (10321) on Thursday March 06 2003, @02:37PM (#5451466)
    (http://fulcrum.org/ | Last Journal: Saturday March 29 2003, @08:41PM)
    Usually I'm supposed to wire Nigeria, not Senegal. I can't believe the Peace Corps fell for it, though.
  • Us only (Score:2, Insightful)

    by IAR80 (598046) on Thursday March 06 2003, @06:39PM (#5453873)
    Peace corps only uses US "recruits", therefore I cannot bring my contribution through peacecorps! I wonder why!!
  • technology backend (Score:2)

    by looie (9995) <michael@trollope.org> on Thursday March 06 2003, @09:22PM (#5455150)
    (http://www.trollope.org/)
    cisco is the company that designed and built the "special" routers for china, that enable the chinese gov't to track email to its source, so the gov't can arrest dissidents. they built these to spec for the chinese gov't. i wonder who in senegal is the beneficiary of this cisco "special" treatment.

    mp

  • by jcravens42 (445212) on Thursday March 13 2003, @11:51AM (#5503880)
    (http://www.coyotecommunications.com/)
    The United Nations Information Technology Service (UNITeS [unites.org]), an initiative managed by (UN Volunteers [unvolunteers.org], has placed and supported more than 150 volunteers in developing countries doing just this kind of service, and more. Hope they can get together with the Peace Corps and leverage resources even more. And as someone mentioned. UNV manages the (NetAid Online Volunteering service [netaid.org], which allows online volunteers to provide service to organizations serving developing countries.
  • by Mothra the III (631161) on Thursday March 06 2003, @09:36AM (#5448664)
    From the Peace Corps website: "Currently, 6,678 Peace Corps volunteers are serving in 70 countries, working to bring clean water to communities, teach children, help start new small businesses, and stop the spread of AIDS. Since 1961, more than 168,000 Americans have joined the Peace Corps, serving in 136 nations." These people most likely dont have the skills to combat cyber terrorism and are using the skills they do have to set up small networks and get people on the internet.
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  • by adzoox (615327) on Thursday March 06 2003, @09:51AM (#5448751)
    (Last Journal: Wednesday February 01 2006, @08:39AM)
    Sort of agreed .... a lot of scams that originate from the US are because we have wired the disadvantaged or barely traceable .... ie prisons, low income housing areas.

    I can't believe that they actually want to waste time and wire the area, why not WiFi towers that double as cell phone towers so we won't have to ALSO go install those with volunteer labor?

    I am completely for getting information and social/spiritual ideas to the masses though.

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  • by perdu (549634) on Thursday March 06 2003, @12:09PM (#5449908)
    Yep, I did 2 years in Zaire and I can see that. But the teachers I worked with were all men and they were very aware of what went on in the world - mainly via shortwave radio.

    I think this is very worthwhile but would only work in cities where you have electricity - for part of the day at least...

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  • African women love computers [vocaro.com], too.
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  • Re:Yeah, great (Score:2)

    by error0x100 (516413) on Thursday March 06 2003, @06:24PM (#5453768)

    West African nations are renowned on all levels for political/economic corruption.

    Not to be nitpicky, but this is different from the USA, how, exactly?

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    • Re:Yeah, great by error0x100 (Score:2) Thursday March 06 2003, @09:29PM
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  • Re:Yeah, great (Score:1)

    by DanAnderson26 (54603) on Friday March 07 2003, @09:03PM (#5464748)
    France was going to fix it, but they wanted to give the UN more time. So, as usual, the US has to do it. :-)

    Dan
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