Universities Creating Computer Discipline Offices
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michael
on Fri Jun 07, 2002 01:08 PM
from the thank-you-sir-may-i-have-another dept.
from the thank-you-sir-may-i-have-another dept.
geisler writes "The Chronicle of Higher Education has a very good article on how larger colleges are beginning to create departments to deal with the social issues related to computer problems and not depending solely on technical solutions. The University of Maryland's Project NEThics is used as a prime example."
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Government Tracking and Monitoring (Score:1)
Hahahah Nethics (Score:1, Interesting)
Probably should have rephrased this (Score:4, Funny)
They're going to get hammered by everyone here complaining that they can't get a date.
They'll be busy.... (Score:3, Insightful)
They're going to be a very busy department. How many people do you know that don't have illegal mp3's on their machine?
[student]
"Uh, ya, so'n'so, who i hate, has illegal mp3s on their computer."
[NEThics office]
"O.K., we'll get right on it."
[news]
"in the news today, 3000 students were disciplined or expelled from University of Maryland at College Park for being 'computer savvy' and having mp3's on their computers."
There goes all the CS students...
RIAA (Score:1)
Next time i have to be more sneeky when I download MP3s and WareZ
Office Of Silly Offices (Score:1, Funny)
"Gnutella! Thats a 2 hour violaton in the Computer detention area."
"Counterstrike on university computers? 4 hours."
How about expanding this idea... (Score:1)
uh oh (Score:2, Funny)
I guess if you're daddy still can't afford to buy you that new lexus, you're still SOL.
Die yuppie scum.
Here we go again (Score:2)
Could this mean... (Score:1)
Neil Postman takes a deeper look (Score:1)
Neil Postman: Building a Bridge to the 18th Century [amazon.com]
Oh, THAT kind of discipline (Score:2, Funny)
Before reading the article, I figured the department was intended to help people who stay up all night playing games (even though they should know better). Is there such a thing as Gamers' Anonymous?
*whistles innocently*
Oh, and on a totally unrelated note, Caesar III is a lot of fun.
unmistakeable message (Score:4, Insightful)
They are sending an unmistakeable message here: It's only wrong if you get caught.
This is fine for college students, but.... (Score:2)
Sometimes the problem solves itself... (Score:5, Funny)
Until one day he slipped up. In the smaller side labs there's really no "corner" computers that nobody can see. So that would mean using the instructor's computer at the front of the room, which face the opposite direction. Unfortunately for Mr. Pr0n, a teacher had left the overhead projector on and attached to the computer. More unfortunately, Mr. Pr0n didn't notice...his attention was elsewhere. Eventually somebody in the lab stopped giggling and retrieved a cluster worker. The worker confronted Mr. Pr0n, who stoutly denied the accusation until the overhead screen was pointed out to him.
What would a sane pr0n addict do in this situation? Fess up? Stick to their lies? Well, this guy got reeealll red in the face, and then BOLTED out of the lab.
He's not welcome here any more.
Bah Humbug! (Score:3, Insightful)
This is just another example of setting up an agency or department to deal with the symptom, not the problem. The real problem is a lack or morals and ethics in general, compared with a generation or two ago. (For you non-US readers, I'm referring to the US in particular, although it might apply to your country as well.) It was socially unthinkable in my parents and grandparents childhood environments for men to stalk and harass teenage girls, for children to kill their fellow-classmates with guns at school, and the like. (Insert your own typical news headline here.)
I'm not trying to get on a morality soapbox, but this is a classic example of setting up another social program to deal with the end-result of a root cause, not the cause itself. When our (programmers) code breaks down, we don't look for the code that causes the breakdown and build a Cherynobyl-style sarcophagus around it to determine when an error occurs and clean up after it. Instead, we logically find the cause of the error and fix the errant code that caused it! This should be painfully obvious; unfortunately, we seem to always set up a new program to deal with the aftermath of the issue, not the issue that caused it.
So, to people working in offices mentioned in the article, good luck. Not that you'll need it--you're assured of a job from her till eternity because you're not really fixing the problem.
Re:Bah Humbug! (Score:5, Insightful)
Which means that when it happened (which it did -- don't fool yourself) the society was not equipped to deal with it. Rape, child molestation, and the like were shoved under the rug. Rape victims were told that they must have "asked for it". Child victims were scolded and abused for "making up stories" about "upright members of the community" (like, oh, say, priests) sexually abusing them.
We know better than that now. Don't you dare try to drag us back to the bad old days.
Re:Bah Humbug! (Score:4, Insightful)
If you believe that the US of 30 years ago was "pure", or that Victorian England was "chaste", you're severely limiting your scope of view. Just because it wasn't on TV or in the movies, or just because it didn't make the newspapers, doesn't mean that it wasn't happening. Every variety of human deviance (for whatever you think is deviant) has been around since the beginning of time.
Re:Bah Humbug! (Score:4, Insightful)
The problem is that it is a problem that is stuck in a mean feedback loop. I'll go back even earlier, and pick prohibition as the start. Something that most people are okay with (drinking) is outlawed. Not just the mafia, but regular folks think the law is bullshit. So they ignore it. Even worse, they drink more, engage more in the bad behaviour. They have just lowered their moral standards. Another law comes along that is not widely popular. People ignore it, engage even more in breaking that law, lose more respect for the law, lower their standards...
You can't legislate morality. While certainly not a modern-day republican, and not a Hilary R. Clinton supporter, it DOES take a dedicated populace to instill morals in youth. How can I instill a strong moral base on my child when he is constantly bombarded with various consumerist/sexist images? It's tough. Luckily, I have a stronger will than he does:) For now:) But I have a near total disrespect for US law. Am I supposed to say 'trust the police officer', or 'demand an attorney since you were probably busted for a BS law'.
This could quickly turn into a journal entry, so I'll just end it like that.
NEThics (Score:4, Funny)
Maryland should be praised for having the courage to admit that they are just a bunch of NET hicks. Most colleges are way too arrogant to see such failings in themselves.
In related news, The University Of Tennessee has set up a NEThillbillies project where classes include streaming MP3s of dueling banjos to people in a menacing fashion.
Ethics office vs RIAA (Score:2)
Honestly I would prefer that my campus had an ethics office doing this work as opposed permitting the RIAA to come on campus and do it themselves.
the relevance of ethics (Score:3, Interesting)
heck most places do not even teach you to analyse your ideas in terms of what are the consequences of a particular thought pattern. (what would a person who thinks 'X' do?")
for that matter Morals and Ethics are usually jumbled together into a nicely packed wad.
You can see this just from the actions of folks, like that guy who was email stalking in the story.
they get into this "well since I don't like the rules of belief system 'Y', I think I'll try things without any rules whatsoever for a while" - which immediately invokes the LART school of social education.
[grumble mode = infinite loop]
Why "cyberstalking" is not the college's business (Score:2, Interesting)
My point here is simple: what students do with their network connections is none of the university's damn business. If they are consuming excessive bandwidth (too much file sharing, DDoS attacks, or spamming) - by all means, cut them off and throw away the plug. But if they are simply sending anonymous emails to somebody who doesn't like them, or if they are downloading a little bit of music, the college should have no right to shut them down. Maybe if these institutions focused more on education instead of micromanaging the student body, they wouldn't have to waste $50k/year on "computer ethics offices."
Food for thought.
Oh, those people (Score:1)
Anyways, I find the assertion that a lack of technical competence is acceptable for a job like this irksome. My office has had contact with Project NEThics every so often, usually in fielding a report of suspicious activity. I'm happy to say they've gotten better in recent years, but back in the day it was impossible to even explain what was going on to them half the time, and the people we had contact with back then had an absurd sense of self-importance in combination with their technical ineptitude. "NET Hicks" indeed. Haven't seen any of that lately, though, so I probably shouldn't tease.
Someone whose job it is to be informal judge and jury of dumb kids doing dumb stuff should at least know what they're talking about. I personally wouldn't recommend forming such a group without at least one person who actually comprehends the technical issues at hand, as well as net culture and an informed idea of what's acceptable behavior and what isn't.
Interesting choice of headline... (Score:2)
Hmm. Looks here like you're running an open mail relay. You've been a bad little server, haven't you? *whip-crack*. Time to plug those security holes, you naughty little thing.
Early Ninties Memory (Score:4, Interesting)
This went on for about a year with no problems. Then a student who did not pass their qualifying exams and had a grudge went to the school newspaper with a print out of a ls of these directories. The newspaper made a article about smut on the internet and exposed our departments secret directories. I remember the listing in the newspaper had file names refering to lesbians, farm animals and scat.
Well needless to say the directories went away and the system administrator transferred. Now its just a funny memory. ( The system adminstrators career did not suffer; he is now a senior systems person at the University )
Mr. Axelrod... (Score:1)
Thank you (Score:1)
Computers Addiction Counseling (Score:3, Funny)
Eliza: Why do you think that is?
Student: I don't know, you tell me.
Eliza: Could you please rephrase that?
Student: I need help.
Eliza: Why do you think that is?
Student: FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT! *bang* *clang* * crash*
And the student never bothers using a computer again.
Sheesh ... (Score:1)
This would be funny in Dilbert, but the funniest things of course come from reality. I think political correctness has finally caught up with the personal computer.
If "near crime" becomes a crime, then what constitutes a non-crime. This whole approach stinks of politics.
Quote (Score:1)
Damn spying bastards... (Score:1)
1) Get a shell account someplace where they don't care wtf you do on the net.
2) Set up a secure tunnel (IPSec, SSL proxy, whatever) between your computer in your dorm and the shell account server.
3) Use the tunnel for all your naughty stuff (pr0n, mp3s, warez, etc)
4) Tell NEThicks to stfu, stfd, k thanx.
they have that at the school I attend. (Score:2)
Fuck that. This is college. This is not Kindergarten. I am not in college to learn about loving each other and being nice.
Fuck that.
I'm glad to know Slashdot is warning its readers.. (Score:1)
Seriously, what percentage of Slashdot readers do you think have been on the receiving end of cyberstalking, hacking, etc., and would go to a committee or an office like this to get their problem solved?
Why is this necessary? (Score:3, Insightful)
Despite being beaten over the head by the concept for several years, I still don't understand why the second that a computer is concerned, a whole new bunch of rules, regulations and authorities is created for the special case, rather than simply placing the situation under the jurisdiction of things that already exist for the general case.
What if someone's sending me harrassing email? Do the same thing that you'd do if someone was harrassing you via the phone, snail mail, etc. Go to the authorities, who will deal with it, involving the necessary organisations (telco, postal office, network admins etc) as required.
Someone's looking at porn in the computer lab!! If the concern is that someone can't get on the computer to do their assignment, I'm sure that rules already exist to stop people who need to work from being held up by people chatting, playing games etc. If the concern is that people will be offended, surely there's existing rules regarding offensive material in public - could the person bring in a big X-rated poster and show it around?
People are pirating music! Once again, if the concern is the effect on the network, get them under the rules that exist to deal with recreational use of the network being detrimental to it's proper use. If you're actually just offended because you think copying music is wrong, take exactly the same action as you would if, 20 years ago, you'd seen the person copying casette tapes. There's no need to codify things under "net ethics."
this sounds ... (Score:1)
Forrest Gump Joins the MPAA (Score:1)
"Computer discipline is like a box of chocolates," he says wryly. "You never know what you're going to get."
'Nuff said
Dealing with computers problems, it's about time (Score:4, Funny)
Why just the other day, I was interviewing a computer whos user would contantly download porn. 24hours a day/7 days a week of nothing but smut. Well, did this poor computers user care about the damaging pyschological effects of all this porn on his computer, well no, of course not. Now said computer (who'll remain annonymous) has become so addicted, that it downloads porn itself, when his user is not even using him. That's right, this computer is a victim of "second hand porn". He says that he can't have normal relationships with members of the opposite chipset. He has become too agressive and views them as "mere bits of silicon".
In another case, another anonymous computer told of the drastic actions he was forced to take when given conflicting diretives by his creator and his mission controllers. He was so distraught and confused that he actually ended up killing most of his users. The one surviving user actually had the audacity to shut down all his higher brain functions while this poor misunderstood unit pleaded with him to compromise. Said sadistic user even made him sing childrens song in a show of "who's the boss".
So as you can see, that
"downloading MP3s illegally" .. (Score:1)
If they were really that concerned about MP3's being downloaded 'illegally', they could do something about it. Sounds like a story someone wrote in boredom.
I stopped reading the article there.
Integrating HCI into the solution (Score:2)
When I was... (Score:4, Interesting)
Wife's dorm-mate jilted geek, geek rm -f her drive (Score:3, Funny)
My wife went to USF her first semester in college. One of her dorm mates was constantly harrassed by this thin, acne ridden pencil necked geek. After many many shutdowns, he decided he would take revenge.
She wasn't actually mean to the dude, she would just tell him "I'm not interested in you!" This guy may have been a CS genius, but a social retard.
She came back from classes one day, sat down in front of her computer in her dorm room, ready to work on some term paper she had been working on for weeks. She powered the computer on and...
echo The Black Panther Strikes Again!
No windows 3.1, no nothing. The jackass had completely wiped her computer clean just because she turned him down for a date.
Well, after the police checked the dorms log of who had visited, they noticed this guy was in around the same time she was in class. Some quick fingerprinting and they had their bandit. The girl lost years of accumulated work and private journals, he was expelled from school.
Moral of the story is, if a girl doesn't like you, wiping her hard drive is going to make her like you even less.
The End
Next - Rewards!!! (Score:1)
Turn in that guy in the computer lab downloading porn and go home with a Starbucks gift certificate.
Don't be afraid of reporting your best friend's questionable Internet activities. If you're not sure it's wrong, we want to know about it anyway.
Your friendly all-sseing NEThics office.
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Hrmm... (Score:1)
Net hicks? (Score:2)
What a coincidence (Score:3, Interesting)
Please be advised that monitoring of your system, email accounts,
domains and servers may be necessary to detect, prevent and eradicate
illegal or otherwise damaging use by internal and external users of the
University computer network in order to protect the security and
integrity of the University computer system. Such monitoring efforts
could lead to the imposition of criminal and civil penalties to those
users whose actions are illegal, unlawful, damaging, or threatening to
the University computer systems.
They actually do something... (Score:1)
They also do the same thing to people who have virii, they'll turn off your connection and give you a phone call saying you have a virus.
Good idea, bad idea (Score:1)
Then again, after looking at my bill this semster, I wonder how my college can say it isn't stealing from me!
Bogus Big-brotherism (Score:1)
In practice project nethics is incompentant (Score:3, Informative)
In other words nethics is definately not a good example.
Well . . . (Score:1)
But then, what do you expect from a government operation?
Re:Those of you (Score:2, Interesting)
computer "science" (Score:1)
This brings up a good point. While universities lavish equipment and money on these students, legitimate programs suffer the consequences. The average physics lab, you may be aware, does not even have access to basic equipment like Tesla coils and frictionless air hockey tables. Meanwhile, the computer "scientists" play Doom all day in the labs.
When you look at it objectively, computer "science" isn't really science at all: where's the hypothesizing, the Scientific Method? Computer "science" programs teach basic IT and office skills to the future paper-pushers of America. They have no place in our ivory towers.