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IBM Creates 1st Single Molecule Computer Circuit

Posted by Hemos on Sun Aug 26, 2001 04:53 PM
from the making-it-work dept.
Llowfyr writes "Yahoo has reports that IBM researchers have created the first ever single molecule computer circuits which may someday lead to a new class of smaller and faster computers that consume less power than today's machines. The IBM team made a `` voltage inverter '' -- one of the three fundamental logic circuits that are the basis for all of today's computers -- from a carbon nanotube, a tube-shaped molecule of carbon atoms that is 100,000 times thinner than a human hair. IBM scientists will present the achievement today at the 222nd National Meeting of the American Chemical Society being held in Chicago and it appears in the web edition of the ACS' journal Nano Letters."
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  • by blair1q (305137) on Sunday August 26 2001, @04:56PM (#2219323) Journal
    Geez. Didn't you guys learn anything in chemistry?

    A crystal is a single molecule. A transistor is a single molecular structure. It won't work any other way.

    --Blair
  • That's Really Cool and All (Score:2, Funny)

    by XBL (305578) on Sunday August 26 2001, @04:57PM (#2219325)
    but when can I actually buy a computer with this technology? 10 years from now?

    I like to see research of this type, but there needs to be more research with short-term effect.

  • Some weird title (Score:2, Funny)

    by quartz (64169) <shadowman@mylaptop.com> on Sunday August 26 2001, @04:59PM (#2219330) Homepage
    Ask Slashdot: IBM Creates 1st Single Molecule Computer Circuit

    Erm, what was the question again?
  • i wonder (Score:1)

    by boaworm (180781) <boaworm@gmail.com> on Sunday August 26 2001, @05:00PM (#2219334) Homepage Journal
    How does this affect the recent discussions about Moore's law ? There were doubts it would not hold for much longer. Are these nanotubes in the calculations ?


    Well... this surely looks like another great step towards high performance computing!

    • Re:i wonder by blair1q (Score:2) Sunday August 26 2001, @05:25PM
      • ?? by Guignol (Score:1) Monday August 27 2001, @01:08AM
        • :) by Guignol (Score:1) Monday August 27 2001, @01:21AM
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    • Re:i wonder by tim_maroney (Score:2) Sunday August 26 2001, @06:29PM
    • Re:i wonder by blair1q (Score:1) Sunday August 26 2001, @05:36PM
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  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 26 2001, @05:14PM (#2219356)
    ...to even see a beowulf cluster of these ;)
  • Gain? (Score:1)

    by BiggestPOS (139071) on Sunday August 26 2001, @05:19PM (#2219364) Homepage
    More importantly, the output signal from IBM's new nanotube circuit is stronger than the input

    Ok, lots of smart people on /. someone explain this please. Because the article sure doesn't!

    • Re:Gain? by GospelHead821 (Score:1) Sunday August 26 2001, @05:31PM
    • Re:Gain? (Score:4, Informative)

      by dr. loser (238229) on Sunday August 26 2001, @05:42PM (#2219408)
      Gain is a common figure of merit of transistor-based amplifier circuits. The gain of a voltage amplifier is defined as the ratio of the size of the output signal to the size of the input signal. An amplifier that could take a 0.5V amplitude sine wave as its input and produce a 5V amplitude sine wave as its output has a gain of 10. You don't get something for nothing, of course - the amplifier has to be connected to an external power source.

      A transistor is a three-terminal device. In a typical computer chip, these three terminals are called the source, the drain, and the gate. For a given voltage between the source and drain, the current that flows into the drain is strongly dependent on the voltage applied to the gate. That's what allows transistors to be used as switches: you can make a transistor that won't let current flow from source to drain unless the gate voltage is turned up past some value.

      Achieving actual gain in a single-molecule device is important. Without gain greater than one, it's not possible to efficiently chain large numbers of transistors together to manipulate signals. A strong input would get degraded with each stage of transistor manipulation, eventually falling to a level too small to drive subsequent transistors.

      There are *many* problems with the idea of using individual molecules to replace Si devices. Achieving a gain > 1 is a necessary but by no means sufficient step for eventual molecule-based computers. As a physicist, I think it's important to recognize real achievements in this field, but not to buy into the hype unquestioningly.
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  • huh... (Score:3, Funny)

    by piecewise (169377) on Sunday August 26 2001, @05:20PM (#2219367) Journal
    Huh? I don't get it.

    Dammit. Back in my day, we had real transistors, and silicon. We made chips out of SAND, dammit! None of this molecule pish posh. I ain't never gonna use some computer made from plants. You new-age scientists sure are ungrateful...
    • Re:huh... by piecewise (Score:1) Sunday August 26 2001, @06:20PM
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  • Why is this under ASK SLASHDOT?? (Score:2, Offtopic)

    by tavon79 (163246) on Sunday August 26 2001, @05:22PM (#2219373) Homepage
    Why is this exactly under "ask slashdot?"
  • Very nice... (Score:2, Funny)

    by KewLinux (217218) on Sunday August 26 2001, @05:28PM (#2219383)
    ...but does it run Linux?
  • Also on news.com (Score:1)

    by stikves (127823) on Sunday August 26 2001, @05:35PM (#2219394) Homepage
    This article is also on news.cnet.com [cnet.com].


    (In case you may want to check)


  • Since IBM has successfully made a NOT gate out of a single molecule, they have made about 1/3 progress towards realizing a complete computer system made out of molecules. In fact, if they could make NAND gates out of these nanotubes, then they have everything they need to build a computing system since a NAND gate is functionally complete. Question is, does this mean that in the near future, the government will be able to implant invisible microchips in people for identification and tracking purposes, and what does this mean? Is this a bad thing looming in the future?
  • by nick_davison (217681) on Sunday August 26 2001, @05:42PM (#2219410)
    100,000 times thinner than a human hair

    There is hope for us blonds yet.
  • The next step (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 26 2001, @05:52PM (#2219425)
    What IBM need to do now is make an AND gate. The output of an AND gate, fed into a NOT gate (NAND), can form the building block of any digital logic element you care to name (gates, registers, etc.) Then they need to figure out how to join them together, and get signals in and out. Then figure out if a nanotube processor would actually be useful! :> Anyone know the theoretical switching time of these type of devices?
  • I like this (Score:1)

    by ispq (301273) <ispqster AT yahoo DOT com> on Sunday August 26 2001, @06:01PM (#2219441) Homepage
    I love to see the advancement of human knowledge, especially when it bodes well for making faster and smaller computers. It will probably be ten years before we see direct consumer benefit, but, hey, this research all has to be done sooner or later.
  • The Hair (Score:2)

    by Jeffrey Baker (6191) on Sunday August 26 2001, @06:01PM (#2219442)
    When, why, and because of whom did the human hair become the standard unit of distance. This IBM circuit is 10 microhairs, great. Exactly how big is a hair again? I've got hairs of varying sizes on my scalp, my eyelids, and my lip. Which one of them is the SI standard? Is there a man at the national institute of weights and measures who is the caretaker of the reference hair?

    Just tell me big the damn thing is in regular units: meters, angstroms, astronomical units, whatever.

  • How original! (Score:1)

    by XJoshX (103447) on Sunday August 26 2001, @06:04PM (#2219447) Journal
    ...which may someday lead to a new class of smaller and faster computers that consume less power than today's machines.

    Jeez.. I hope whoever to persue this "smaller, faster, more efficient" idea a raise.. What a novel idea...
  • by EvlPenguin (168738) on Sunday August 26 2001, @06:06PM (#2219452) Homepage
    I found the full paper here [acs.org] (that's http://pubs.acs.org/hotartcl/nalefd/nl015606f_rev. html for you paranoid types).

    I was just thinking - they say their NOR gate is the size of approx. 1/100,000th the width of a human hair. Well, today's 1.4 GHz chips contain ~22 million transistors. That would make it 220 human hairs wide. That's a lot of power in a small space. I can't wait till the day I can crack RC5 on my cell phone.
  • The problem is: (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Tazzy531 (456079) on Sunday August 26 2001, @06:46PM (#2219556) Homepage
    ...which may someday lead to a new class of smaller and faster computers that consume less power than today's machines.

    The problem is that with all this power, we still have lazy programmers that aren't writing cleaner, more efficient code, basically negating all the advances that have been made in processing technology. I mean, computers today are a million times faster than they were years ago, but do we see any major increase in speed?
  • by Dutchmaan (442553) on Sunday August 26 2001, @07:21PM (#2219644) Homepage
    Just wait till we have add-ons that are 1/100,000 the width of a human hair!

    Now where did I put those molecular-tweezers???
  • Images to go with the article (Score:3, Interesting)

    by los furtive (232491) <ChrisLamothe&gmail,com> on Sunday August 26 2001, @08:19PM (#2219688) Homepage

    Check out the pictures and graphics [ibm.com] that IBM has made available.

    And let us not dwell on the fact that I submitted a better version of this article early in the morning with more links than the one they decided to go with(sulking ends now).

  • Universal Gates (Score:1)

    by SirJimbo (320247) on Sunday August 26 2001, @09:25PM (#2219811)
    Someone pointed out that IBM just needs to create a similar AND gate, as anything can be made out of AND gates and Inverters. However, no one has mentioned that the same thing can be done with OR gates, as the NOR gate is a universal gate as well. In my opinion, its more of a pain to work with, but hey, whatever works for IBM is fine with me.

    "Who is more foolish? The fool, or the fool that follows him?"
    Obi-Wan Kenobi
    • Universal Bill by javaDragon (Score:1) Sunday August 26 2001, @09:39PM
  • Three fourths of NASDAQ listed corporations announced single molecule revenues for the third quarter. Analysts insist that such predictions are hardly in good faith, and that the majority will be lucky to turn revenues amounting even to a single quark. Wall Street bravely marches on, into this blossoming nano-economy.
  • by Fantastic Lad (198284) on Monday August 27 2001, @02:01AM (#2220330)
    Argh!

    The choreographed pace at which they're releasing this 'new' tech is such a stupid joke.

    Read a few headlines down, (or up), where they're talking about successes in neuron/computer engineering techniques.

    Oh, goody.

    You do realize the League of Evil will require people to plug their brains in directly at some point? And the morons who suck up the Cyberpunk daydream where this is actually something desirable, (what? There are idiots like that present on Slashdot? Oh my!), are being used to buffer and in fact sell this horror to the world?

    Yep. Sell it to the tech-heads, and you shape the world. The tech-heads have almost all the social muscle these days and not even they seem to fully realize it.

    Why do you think it's so miserable to be alive if you live life as you have all been told? That is, working 8:00 to 6:00 jobs. Sucking up social programming which serves to render impotent relationships, one of the most powerful forces of stability and good energy; now perverted into over-sexed, short term, disappointing & miserable transactions. Thanks to James Cameron, the perfect boyfriend must now die of hypothermia in the North Atlantic, for crying out loud!

    We've been programmed to eat unhealthy food with too many chemicals. Jeezus! Bread with everything. (There's almost no worse food combo out there!) Leading to poor health and further misery.

    Enter the tech-heads.

    Why do you think there have been so many episodes of Star Trek made with Holodeck fantasies? Do you think the Forces of Evil would allow such a virtuous show as Star Trek to exist if it wasn't the carrier for some toxin?

    Grr.

    Is nobody tuned into the same station as me? Am I the only one who can see this shit? Is nobody else scared out of their freeking minds? (Well, actually I'm not really all that scared; I'd describe my reaction as being something more akin to a fascination on an anthropological level. Watching exactly how the end of the world arrives is possibly the most amazing thing I'll ever see.)

    Still, I can't believe that people are going to actually line up to be the first to plug their brains into the Matrix. Man! Now that is a sell job!

    I mean, isn't face recognition in Borders Books already creepy enough? No! People want Microsoft and Echelon and **AMERICA** in their heads at night when they sleep! Digitize awareness! With everybody plugged into 'Friends' and 'Ally-McBeal,' nobody will even notice, much less rebel when the sky falls.

    Part of me almost hopes that somebody does drop a vial by accident and wipes out 5.9 billion people on this globe. I'd almost rather take my chances at being one of the lucky survivors than continue watching this bullshit parade and the naivete of all the silly viewers.


    -Fantastic Lad. The Craziest Fuck In ANY Room!


    P.S. Most artists and media producers don't even realize where their ideas come from. Population control doesn't happen on a surface level anymore. Hasn't for a long, long time.

  • Not to detract from there accomplishment, I am sure they really did do it if they said they did it and this is really exciting stuff.
    But IBM is not unaccustom to doing this sort of press release simply for the publicity of it.
    I seem to remember a press release (which they had to buy add space to get it published I guess) back in the early 90's. 92 or 93 maybe. They claimed to have created the worlds first 1024 bit cpu.
    I wouldnt suggest they are building this stuff for PR. I am just saying that is the purpose of the press release (just like most articles of this sort). Oh ya, someones cool project at IBM needs to keep getting funding of course.
    Just dont assume it will be useable for anything practicle in OUR lifetime.
    It took 20 years to get from 8 bit to 64 bit. And most of us use 32 bit just like we did 10 years ago.(this refers to commodity hardware, not the big iron).
    Ah screw it.Never mind. Its cool stuff no matter what the press geeks do with it.
  • by dotslashdotdot (514391) on Monday August 27 2001, @06:34AM (#2220661) Homepage
    I see new devices with more easily controlled parasitic capacitance and inductance because of the dimensions of carbon nanotubes. This will be good for high frequency, high power applications as well as logic circuitry. Carbon nanotubes "want" to be certain sizes depending on the number of carbon atoms in a ring of the tube and the presence of dopants like boron or potassium. These things might make good diode laser drivers. Focused arrays of laser diodes could be an interesting way to nano-manipulate colloidal materials or proteins. Follow the links from here [sunysb.edu] on Optical Tweezers.
  • Tech Support (Score:1)

    by ImaLamer (260199) <{moc.liamg} {ta} {ramal.nhoj}> on Monday August 27 2001, @07:12AM (#2220717) Homepage Journal
    So now I need to call a quantum physicist to get tech support... great....

  • "voltage inverter?" (Score:3, Informative)

    by Lally Singh (3427) on Monday August 27 2001, @08:29AM (#2220950)
    Call it what it is, a NOT gate.
  • by GPS Pilot (3683) on Tuesday August 28 2001, @01:23PM (#2226255)
    How do "holes" move? When a hole moves, is it not actually an electron moving from one place to another -- leaving a new hole in the place where it left, and filling the hole in the place where it ends up?

    If so, I don't see the difference between electrons carrying current and holes carrying current.
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  • by SumDeusExMachina (318037) on Sunday August 26 2001, @05:11PM (#2219353) Homepage
    Although the parent post may seem like a troll at first glance, it actually raises several interesting problems. One of the first questions that comes to my mind is "How would you write a TCP/IP stack for a nanotube?"

    Of course, there are many other intriguing fields of research that this opens up, such as the problem of making a processor that consists of only 1 nanotube and creating some kind of networking interface that would allow individual nanotubes to communicate.

    So please, before you go off blindly moderating posts such as these, please think of the questions that they are really asking, rather than your ingrained Slashdot instincts.

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  • Re:AND and OR? (Score:2)

    by blair1q (305137) on Sunday August 26 2001, @06:35PM (#2219530) Journal
    They don't know what they mean.

    A transistor either switches a current path off (output_on = power_on AND NOT control_on) or it switches it on (output_on = power_on AND control_on).

    Those are the real building blocks. Larger structures like gates and flip-flops are combinations of those two facts.

    Some circuits use multi-leveled logic, but those have to be converted to boolean logic* before they can get anywhere near your computer.

    --Blair

    * - or whatever passes for it at the NY Times...
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  • by yomegaman (516565) on Sunday August 26 2001, @07:00PM (#2219596)
    Wow, Reggie White reads Slashdot!
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  • by Scooter (8281) <owen@nOsPam.annicnova.force9.net> on Sunday August 26 2001, @09:02PM (#2219755)
    and just what colour IS the sky on your planet?
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  • by Ojamin (455410) on Sunday August 26 2001, @10:44PM (#2219973)
    What have you leaned today? Well I leaned on a car and I also leanded on a counter. Some things that I have LEARNED is that teachers are really great people
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  • Re:AND and OR? (Score:1)

    by Guignol (159087) on Monday August 27 2001, @01:58AM (#2220324)
    Well, no. Your parent is correct.
    You only need NAND to do whatever you want.
    NAND(A,A) => NOT(A)
    NAND(NAND(A,A),NAND(B,B)) => OR(A,B)
    etc..etc.. realy not that hard..
    For most logic implementations, this is the way it is done. (although sometimes NOR is used instead).
    Anyway, have a look at Randall Hyde's Art of Assembly for a source you can trust about it.
    The idea is, NAND gates are cheaper than other gates, and it's easier to build logic structures with the same basic blocks.

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    • Re:AND and OR? by CrazyBrett (Score:1) Monday August 27 2001, @09:26AM
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