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AIMster Uses Pig Latin Encryption to Defeat RIAA

Posted by Hemos on Tue Mar 06, 2001 09:48 AM
from the pretty-darn-funny dept.
wiggles writes "On Sunday night, Napster started filtering out copyrighted song names from its system. People have been proposing alternate ways of naming their music files so as to defeat such filtering, but no workable solution has emerged... until now! AIMster is offering a Pig Latin encoder that will encrypt your mp3 titles. They state that, under the DMCA, it would be illegal for the RIAA to reverse engineer their encoding scheme and try and filter the encrypted filenames from Napster. Beating the RIAA over the head with the DMCA is fun!"
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  • Re:Forcing the industry to fight the DMCA... by snowlock (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @06:06AM
  • Could save the speech.. by mindstrm (Score:2) Tuesday March 06 2001, @06:06AM
  • Re:Better than pig latin by BSDevil (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @06:08AM
  • Re:Not Encryption by Sloppy (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:36AM
  • Re:DCMA by KilobyteKnight (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @06:08AM
  • Re:Arslay, allcay ouryay officeay! by ConceptJunkie (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:36AM
  • Re:Are you serious? by R2P2 (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @06:09AM
  • So, is l33t sp33k a form of crypto? by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:37AM
  • Re:Not Encryption by mikeee (Score:2) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:37AM
  • Re:Let the RIAA play. by fluxrad (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:38AM
  • Re:What good can come from this. by Rogerborg (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:38AM
  • Re:Has Anyone On /. Actually Read The DMCA? by p3d0 (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @06:12AM
  • Re:Arslay, allcay ouryay officeay! by pallex (Score:2) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:38AM
  • Re:Not Encryption by Jaysyn (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @06:15AM
  • Re:Umm, wouldn't this be contradicting the EULA? by cowwie (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:38AM
  • OpenSecrets.org will tell you by BeBoxer (Score:2) Tuesday March 06 2001, @06:16AM
  • Re:Don't do this. by Squid (Score:2) Tuesday March 06 2001, @06:18AM
  • Re:How about ROT26 by commanderfoxtrot (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:39AM
  • Re:DCMA by Jerf (Score:2) Tuesday March 06 2001, @06:19AM
  • by Squid (3420) on Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:39AM (#381756) Homepage
    For the purposes of the DMCA I don't know that it matters WHAT kind of protection mechanism is in place, only that you can't circumvent it.

    A new music format could be double-rot13'ed (that is, plaintext) and if the RIAA sticks a label on it that says "This product is copy protected" then you could be sued if you reverse engineer the player software and discover that it's doing nothing, or even so much as attempt to play the format in a non-sanctioned player.

    Well, IANAL anyway...
  • if it works for cuecat it can work for us by CiXeL (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @06:20AM
  • Get a spine! by frosh (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:40AM
  • by stinkydog (191778) <[coughlio] [at] [hotmail.com]> on Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:40AM (#381759) Homepage

    The problem with 'pig latin' and the DMCA is that there is not copyrighted material to protect.

    Then solution is to create a plugin that creates an encrypted header (rot13, rsa, enigma whatever) that contains copyrighted information as well as the song name. The header should look like this:

    Metallica.MP3 (Aimster Business Plan: Use DMCA to bludgen RIAA as much as possible. Copyright 2001 Aimster Inc.)

    Then, decypting the 'copyrighted' portion of the message creates the infringment. Then Aimster sues the RIAA. Even searching for RIAA material will create hundreds of violations. Unfortunatly the larger header will consume a bit of bandwidth :)

  • Un-fay by HongPong (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @04:52AM
  • Re:napster already filtering? by Bonker (Score:2) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:41AM
  • The best thing about this is... by Dr_Bones (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @04:52AM
  • Re:Pig Latin Is A Language by Squid (Score:2) Tuesday March 06 2001, @07:30AM
  • This article should read.. by cyb3r0ptx (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @07:31AM
  • Re:Arslay, allcay ouryay officeay! by ConceptJunkie (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @06:22AM
  • Re:Has Anyone On /. Actually Read The DMCA? by Stonehand (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @07:31AM
  • Re:From the Aimster Page by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @06:23AM
  • The average mind **CANNOT** decrypt in real time. by Keybounce (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @07:31AM
  • Re:Pig Latin is not a copyright protection scheme by JohnSmith1138 (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:41AM
  • Re:ROT13 by mini me (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @06:26AM
  • Re:Not Encryption by No One (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @07:32AM
  • Dig it by pingflood (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:41AM
  • Re:Pig Latin is not a copyright protection scheme by ganjuror (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @07:32AM
  • Algorythm? by cculianu (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @06:27AM
  • Re:Don't do this. by Erasmus Darwin (Score:2) Tuesday March 06 2001, @06:27AM
  • Re:Don't do this. by Happy Monkey (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:43AM
  • Re:Pig Latin is not a copyright protection scheme by UberLame (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @06:31AM
  • Re:Arslay, allcay ouryay officeay! by Stavr0 (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:43AM
  • How about just open secrets? [opensecrets.org]

    The RIAA's 98 lobbying moneys [opensecrets.org]

    2000 donations [opensecrets.org] by TV/movies/music combined. -- over 100% increase since the 96 presedential election. The entertainment industry is ranked 8 in amount contributed to elections across ALL industries.

    Time Warner, Seagram and Sons, and Disney leading the pack.

    You can also look up individual investors. Jack Valenti (MPAA) knows which side of the bread to butter--ALL of them, donating equally to Gore, Bush, and McCain. His congressional donations are...interesting.

    Hilary Rosen actually has a decent donation list. She gave Hatch 1000, but then took it back (apparently) and donated a decent chuck to a pro-choice group.
  • Here's your Haiku by medscaper (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:44AM
  • Re:It's not really pig latin, is it. by Stavr0 (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:45AM
  • Re:No. by Shadowlion (Score:2) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:46AM
  • Re:DCMA by Stonehand (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @07:37AM
  • Re:Not what the DMCA is for by Stonehand (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @07:40AM
  • Re:Are you serious? by dcavanaugh (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @06:32AM
  • Re:Let the RIAA play. by naasking (Score:2) Tuesday March 06 2001, @07:40AM
  • Add copyrighted content to the mp3 by ism (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @07:42AM
  • Use it for copy protection by knuffelbeer (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @06:35AM
  • Re:What if.. by BiggestPOS (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:47AM
  • It protects your copyright to the filename .. by RedLaggedTeut (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @07:42AM
  • Authorization by Sloppy (Score:2) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:48AM
  • Re:It's not really pig latin, is it. by mach-5 (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @07:43AM
  • Re:Pig Latin is not a copyright protection scheme by VP (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @06:36AM
  • Re:It's not really pig latin, is it. by mach-5 (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:48AM
  • Re:DCMA by NMerriam (Score:2) Tuesday March 06 2001, @06:38AM
  • Re:Get the source code!!! by gergo (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @06:39AM
  • Re:From the Aimster Page by sammy baby (Score:2) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:48AM
  • Re:From the Aimster Page by Pogue Mahone (Score:2) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:48AM
  • Are you serious? by frosh (Score:2) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:51AM
  • Re:Get a spine! by freq (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @07:45AM
  • Re:Could save the speech.. by bonehead (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @07:45AM
  • Re:Maybe we need open source laws.... by naasking (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @07:46AM
  • Re:Not Encryption by Kwantus (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @07:48AM
  • Re:Not Encryption by sqlrob (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @07:48AM
  • by Kjellander (163404) on Tuesday March 06 2001, @06:42AM (#381805)

    I'm sure I'll regret posting something that sounds like a defense of the RIAA, but the DMCA states that it is illegal to attempt to circumvent a copyright protecion mechanism. Inasmuch as Aimster's Pig Latin Encoder does not protect copyright, but just mangles filenames, it's not a copyright protection scheme. Thus, it is perfectly legal for the RIAA to begin using the encoder to request both the regular and pig-latinized versions of songs be removed from Napster.

    Then by the exact same argument CSS is NOT a copyright protection mechnism. CSS just mangles the contents of the files through encryption, it doesn't hinder the direct bit-for-bit copy of the files in any way.

  • Re:Pig Latin, eh? by dstone (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @07:49AM
  • Re:Arslay, allcay ouryay officeay! by webcrafter (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @06:44AM
  • Re:Pig Latin is not a copyright protection scheme by Rares Marian (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @07:51AM
  • Re:Not Encryption by Trekologer (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:51AM
  • Re:It protects your copyright to the filename .. by modemboy (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @07:51AM
  • Re:Don't do this. by Lord Kano (Score:2) Tuesday March 06 2001, @07:54AM
  • Re:Algorythm? by The Troll Catcher (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @06:50AM
  • by Carnage4Life (106069) on Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:51AM (#381813) Homepage Journal
    Simply breaking any old encryption is not, nor is it a copyright issue.

    This is what has constantly amused me as I've seen the string of stories on Slashdot proclaiming how enterprising hackers plan to turn the DMCA on itself. The DMCA does not ban reverse engineering or breaking of encryption per se. I've read the DMCA [loc.gov] and it specifically targets circumvention of copyright protection systems. Unless AIMSter users are encrypting music to which they own the copyright then they're so called claims of reversing the DMCA are so much piss in the wind. The DMCA would simply be a license to pirate/steal/share digital works and protect yourself by encrypting them if that was the case. The RIAA, MPAA and congressmen who drafted the DMCA are not that stupid.

    Bottom Line: If you are not encrypting work to which you own the copyright then the DMCA does not apply to you.

  • You're confusing terms... by MO! (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @06:51AM
  • Re:Don't do this. by andy@petdance.com (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:54AM
  • Re:No. by guran (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:55AM
  • Re:What good can come from this. by Dionysus (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:55AM
  • You are absolutely correct by Ratteau (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:56AM
  • Re:DCMA by Tassach (Score:2) Tuesday March 06 2001, @09:23AM
  • Wow, so that's a Karma Whore! by Kasreyn (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @09:30AM
  • ithay emay abybay neoay oremay imetay by rfsayre (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @07:55AM
  • Re:Algorythm? by Kwantus (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @07:55AM
  • Re:DCMA by naasking (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @07:56AM
  • Re:Don't do this. by No One (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @07:56AM
  • Not Encryption by Sneakums (Score:2) Tuesday March 06 2001, @04:53AM
  • Okay but then you have to encrypt entire playlist by RedLaggedTeut (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @07:56AM
  • What good can come from this. by Deanasc (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @04:53AM
  • Re:DCMA by NMerriam (Score:2) Tuesday March 06 2001, @09:51AM
  • Pig Latin by krugdm (Score:2) Tuesday March 06 2001, @04:53AM
  • Re:Don't do this. by vena (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @06:59AM
  • Re:Don't do this. by cje (Score:2) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:57AM
  • Re:ROT13 by Pete Bevin (Score:2) Tuesday March 06 2001, @07:58AM
  • DCMA? by rommi (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @07:00AM
  • Erasmotron link by RedLaggedTeut (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @07:58AM
  • by Fatal0E (230910) on Tuesday March 06 2001, @04:53AM (#381835)
    What does it mean to "Encode" the file names? The Aimster Pig Encoder encodes the file names by simply changing the words in the file name very slightly. For example, "Music" becomes "usicM", "Hello" becomes "elloH", and you can guess what becomes "uckF ouY, ouY pyS astardsB".
    Is it considered reverse engineering a scheme if said scheme is advertised (ok not advertised but spelled out) on their web page?

    RIAA: "We didn't reverse engineer anything, you told us how to do it."
    "Me Ted"
  • Re:If you're going to be pedantic, get it right ;- by Mersault (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @07:01AM
  • ROT13 by Stavr0 (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @04:53AM
  • Re:Not Encryption by ConsumedByTV (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:57AM
  • Re:Forcing the industry to fight the DMCA... by Sloppy (Score:2) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:58AM
  • by mrogers (85392) on Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:58AM (#381840) Homepage
    If you moved the first syllable, luck would become ayluck (because it only has one syllable). You move everything before the first vowel sound to the end, and append 'ay'.
  • Re:Arslay, allcay ouryay officeay! by MadAhab (Score:2) Tuesday March 06 2001, @09:58AM
  • Re:Arslay, allcay ouryay officeay! by MadAhab (Score:2) Tuesday March 06 2001, @10:06AM
  • Re:DCMA (Score:3)

    by NMerriam (15122) <NMerriam@artboy.org> on Tuesday March 06 2001, @10:07AM (#381843) Homepage
    Purely functional works are not protected?

    That's not what I (or the courts) said. Only creative works are eligible for copyright, functionality has nothing to do with it. Its completely possible for a work to be both creative and functional, and generally creativity is a VERY low bar to clear. But purely factual information ("this song is by britney spears. This song is 'oops, i did it again', this song is 3:00 long", etc) is not creative in any way, and limiting the ability of people to republish those facts would be VERY counter-productive of copyright law.

    Particular arrangements of facts (dictionaries, encyclopedias, phone books, etc) are creative in that the arrangement of the collective work itself is an act of creation, even though the constituent facts are not creative. So you can republish all the phone numbers you like, but you can't list them exactly the same way as the phone company does in their phone book.

    As to the file list/ directory structure, it would be an interesting question where the threshold is. Since you are sharing the information to anyone with Napster (there is no discrimination as far as I know for RIAA Napster accounts) you could hardly claim it was a violation of your rights for them to view your files (especially since they have no way of NOT viewing them when they search -- Napster decides which search results to return to a client).

    If you encrypted your drive structure, and left the encrypted text file containing that info on a public drive, and the RIAA brute-forced it open to find out you have MP3 files, they would be violating the DMCA. But "encrypting" the individual files with pig latin and publishing the individual file names on Napster makes it a much harder argument to make.

    If you had all your MP3 files saved as a tar file named "myfiles.tar.mp3" and the tar file was encrypted, I doubt they would be able to legally assault the tar file to determine its contents. If your had an UNencrypted tar file named "myfiles.tar.mp3" and they just decompressed it (which is similar to what is being done with piglatin -- a very common code is being used) you wouldn't have a leg to stand on (anti-circumvention-wise).

    ---------------------------------------------
  • a nitpick by Kwantus (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @08:02AM
  • Re:Don't do this. by Coward Anonymous (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @08:02AM
  • Another way that MPAA is breaking the law! by iphayd (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @10:08AM
  • Re:Pig Latin Is A Language by naasking (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @08:03AM
  • Re:DCMA by NMerriam (Score:2) Tuesday March 06 2001, @10:12AM
  • by Shoeboy (16224) on Tuesday March 06 2001, @04:54AM (#381849) Homepage
    Right here [westnet.com].
    I'd paste it, but there's this lameness filter thing.
    And yes, it will compile and run on any system.
    --Shoeboy
  • Re:Don't do this. by bonehead (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @08:03AM
  • guh... by corporatewhore (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @04:55AM
  • Re:No. by OmegaDan (Score:2) Tuesday March 06 2001, @07:04AM
  • Re:Algorythm? by pallex (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @07:05AM
  • Re:Could save the speech.. by billcopc (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @08:04AM
  • Re:HAIL TO THE ...wait, shut the hell up by Phyrexia (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @07:05AM
  • Re:Don't do this. by AntiNorm (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @10:18AM
  • Re:Algorythm? by ellingtp (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @08:06AM
  • Re:What good can come from this. by Deanasc (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @04:55AM
  • Re:Get the source code!!! by jcrowe (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @08:07AM
  • Re:Are you serious? by Znork (Score:2) Tuesday March 06 2001, @07:06AM
  • Re:Pig Latin is not a copyright protection scheme by Rares Marian (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @08:07AM
  • Re:Pig Latin Is A Language by rommi (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @07:08AM
  • I wonder... by Mr.Phil (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @04:56AM
  • No. (Score:4)

    by mindstrm (20013) on Tuesday March 06 2001, @04:56AM (#381864)
    Under DMCA, reverse-engineering an effective copy-control mechanism is illegal. This is what the RIAA claims that DECSS does.

    Simply breaking any old encryption is not, nor is it a copyright issue.

    If that encryption is used for copy control.. then it is. This is not.
  • Copyright your directory! by GeneralEmergency (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @07:12AM
  • Re:The only way for this to work... by dcavanaugh (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @07:13AM
  • Re:Not Encryption by DavidTC (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @10:22AM
  • Re:Get the source code!!! by h9k (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @10:24AM
  • Re:cooperation by AntiNorm (Score:2) Tuesday March 06 2001, @10:26AM
  • Re:Pig Latin is not a copyright protection scheme by Tosta Dojen (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @10:27AM
  • Re:The average mind **CANNOT** decrypt in real tim by HerrNewton (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @08:10AM
  • OT: It was Navajo, during WWII by MCZapf (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @08:12AM
  • Re:cooperation by dcollins (Score:2) Tuesday March 06 2001, @07:13AM
  • Re:Has Anyone On /. Actually Read The DMCA? by jms (Score:2) Tuesday March 06 2001, @10:32AM
  • by inkydoo (202651) on Tuesday March 06 2001, @04:56AM (#381875)
    I'm sure I'll regret posting something that sounds like a defense of the RIAA, but the DMCA states that it is illegal to attempt to circumvent a copyright protecion mechanism. Inasmuch as Aimster's Pig Latin Encoder does not protect copyright, but just mangles filenames, it's not a copyright protection scheme. Thus, it is perfectly legal for the RIAA to begin using the encoder to request both the regular and pig-latinized versions of songs be removed from Napster.
  • by Bob The Cowboy (308954) on Tuesday March 06 2001, @08:13AM (#381876)
    The RIAA is pissing off a huge portion of their fan base. They can see the impact on their bottom line when sales decrease after napster is gone.

    What are you talking about? the RIAA doesn't have a fan base. Joe Sixpacks doesn't know who or what the RIAA is. He buys music (or downloads it off napster) and never sees "RIAA" anywhere at all.

    Hell, most people I know think that they download their mp3's off of a website called napster.com. Also, I sincerely doubt many Jow Sixpack's got high speed access for Napster. A Jow Sixpack I know got cable because he wanted his games to run faster... when I asked him if he wanted to play online sometime he didn't even know you could do that.

    And more importantly, when people start flocking to independent music that doesn't pull these kinds of shenanigans, sells music for reasonable prices, and generally doesn't treat the music-buying public as the enemy.

    I don't see the hordes of teenyboppers that are the RIAA's favorite markey moving toward independent music any time soon. Or 95% of the rest of the music buying population.

    Bill
  • Re:Pig Latin is not a copyright protection scheme by greenrd (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @07:14AM
  • What if.. by BleemZ (Score:2) Tuesday March 06 2001, @04:57AM
  • Re:*sigh* by DavidTC (Score:2) Tuesday March 06 2001, @10:40AM
  • Re:DCMA by naasking (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @11:07AM
  • Re:Don't do this. by jargoone (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @07:16AM
  • Open Sourcing - seriously by MikeCamel (Score:2) Tuesday March 06 2001, @04:57AM
  • Re:Arslay, allcay ouryay officeay! by Jon_S (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @07:18AM
  • Re:Pig Latin Is A Language by fidros (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @07:19AM
  • Don't do this. (Score:5)

    by cje (33931) on Tuesday March 06 2001, @04:57AM (#381885) Homepage
    Seriously.

    This is just going to be more ammo for the RIAA. When Napster says to the court, "We're filtering out all copyrighted songs," the RIAA can just come back and say "No they're not; they're using Pig Latin now." This will likely result in Napster being shut down entirely, regardless of the promises that David Boies and the rest of the team make. The RIAA has always taken the position that Napster users will do whatever is necessary to trade music "illegally." They will claim that this just demonstrates their point.

    This would be shameful since there really is a lot of music legally traded on Napster. And not just the indie stuff, either .. remember that bands like Phish and the Dead encourage their fans to tape their live performances and swap them with other fans. This is exactly the type of application that Napster was built for.

    Now, I'm not siding with the RIAA here. They're a bunch of greedy bastards with little to no interest in the artists they claim to represent. But they're also a bunch of greedy bastards with a vast legal team and a bunch of sympathetic courts. The way things are right now, Napster can at least be salvaged for those of us who use it to trade "legal" material. So let's not goad the RIAA any more than we need to.
  • It won't work.. by Hairy Goat (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @04:57AM
  • Re:Don't do this. by Vryl (Score:2) Tuesday March 06 2001, @07:19AM
  • Not quite... but THIS will hold up against DMCA by CyberKnet (Score:2) Tuesday March 06 2001, @07:21AM
  • Man is this ever getting _silly_! by drenehtsral (Score:2) Tuesday March 06 2001, @04:58AM
  • by Grab (126025) on Wednesday March 07 2001, @01:26AM (#381890) Homepage
    Not the exact same argument, and you've spelt out why quite clearly. CSS mangles the CONTENTS! Aimster just mangles the FILENAME, but does not change the content of a file. They're still infringing copyright, they're just making it more difficult to spot it with an automated tool.

    Let's take an example. Say I copied "Baby one more time" and tried to sell it as my own work, as a song called "Hit me baby". Maybe I've changed the name of the song, but it doesn't at all change the fact that I've infringed copyright.

    To be honest, I'd be surprised if one of their kids didn't come up with the idea, it's that lame.

    Grab.
  • Re:Pig Latin is not a copyright protection scheme by Kjellander (Score:1) Wednesday March 07 2001, @01:38AM
  • Re:Pig Latin is not a copyright protection scheme by Kjellander (Score:1) Wednesday March 07 2001, @01:52AM
  • Re:Another way that MPAA is breaking the law! by iphayd (Score:1) Wednesday March 07 2001, @02:50AM
  • People are sheep by smarner (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @11:21AM
  • Re:You don't NEED pig latin! by ggroth (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @08:18AM
  • "without the authority of the copyright owner" by smarner (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @11:25AM
  • Re:Another way that MPAA is breaking the law! by ellboy (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @11:25AM
  • Re:Don't do this. by pallex (Score:1) Wednesday March 07 2001, @04:12AM
  • Re:From the Aimster Page by Rentar (Score:1) Wednesday March 07 2001, @04:30AM
  • by CokeBear (16811) on Tuesday March 06 2001, @04:59AM (#381900) Homepage Journal
    If, for some reason the RIAA was violating the DMCA, how long do you think it would be before the same lawmakers who wrote the damn thing in the first place fixed the bug in the law to make AIMster the bad guys?

    And, just curious, but totally unrelated, of course, but how much has the RIAA and its members given to the Republican party in the past year?
    How 'bout the Democrats?
    hmmmm?
  • Re:ROT13 by redgekko (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @11:44AM
  • Re:Pig Latin is not a copyright protection scheme by jbarr (Score:1) Wednesday March 07 2001, @06:11AM
  • Re:Let the RIAA play. by Dante333 (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @07:23AM
  • Re:Let the RIAA play. by chipuni (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @08:20AM
  • Hold it right there! by HobophobE (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @11:44AM
  • What if... by Smuffe (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @04:59AM
  • Re:How about ROT26 by srichman (Score:2) Tuesday March 06 2001, @07:25AM
  • Re:Arslay, allcay ouryay officeay! by Mancide (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @07:25AM
  • Re:From the Aimster Page by redgekko (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @11:48AM
  • DCMA (Score:5)

    by bitchx (322767) on Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:00AM (#381910)
    A careful reading of the DCMA would show that it's not going to protect you, sadly. The relevent passage reads:

    `(A) to `circumvent a technological measure' means to descramble a scrambled work, to decrypt an encrypted work, or otherwise to avoid, bypass, remove, deactivate, or impair a technological measure, without the authority of the copyright owner; and

    The problem, obviously, is that the encryption is not desgiend to protect a copyright holder, sadly enough.

  • Re:Not Encryption by banuaba (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @07:25AM
  • But... by elegant7x (Score:2) Tuesday March 06 2001, @08:22AM
  • Legal disclaimers by Adam Jenkins (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @07:27AM
  • Coolness by norwoodites (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:01AM
  • Re:Don't do this. by chipuni (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @08:24AM
  • Not what the DMCA is for by John Sullivan (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:01AM
  • Re:Not Encryption by ConsumedByTV (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:01AM
  • Re:DCMA by bonehead (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @08:26AM
  • Re:ROT13 by John Jorsett (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:02AM
  • The equiv of DeCSS for Aimster by e-Motion (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @07:28AM
  • Re:Legal disclaimers by binarybits (Score:2) Wednesday March 07 2001, @09:52AM
  • Re:Duh! by Andrewkov (Score:1) Wednesday March 07 2001, @02:57PM
  • Better than pig latin: H4X0R 5P33K by B.D.Mills (Score:2) Tuesday March 06 2001, @12:27PM
  • The CueCat People *LOST* by DavidTC (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @12:41PM
  • Re:It's not really pig latin, is it. by KMitchell (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @08:26AM
  • Re:What good can come from this. by Rogerborg (Score:1) Thursday March 08 2001, @04:41AM
  • *sigh* by elegant7x (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @08:27AM
  • Re:The average mind **CANNOT** decrypt in real tim by terrywin (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @08:28AM
  • Re:What if.. by gimpboy (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:02AM
  • Re:Not Encryption by XO (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @12:58PM
  • How about ROT26 by Orja (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:02AM
  • by Stavr0 (35032) on Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:03AM (#381932) Homepage Journal
    Real pig latin moves the first syllable to the end and appends 'ay'.
    Tried looking up a FAQ or some other 'formal' definition but no ucklay.
    ---
  • Re:DCMA by bonehead (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @01:09PM
  • A different filter... by Canis Lupus (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:03AM
  • Re:What if.. by Redwire (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:04AM
  • Re:Don't do this. by thesteveco (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @08:35AM
  • Yes it is! by Mdog (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:04AM
  • Re:Don't do this. by caino59 (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @08:42AM
  • Re:From the Aimster Page by Bobo the Space Chimp (Score:1) Tuesday March 13 2001, @06:02AM
  • Re:Don't do this. by Black Parrot (Score:2) Tuesday March 06 2001, @08:45AM
  • Re:Not Encryption by jwit (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @01:39PM
  • Re:Legal disclaimers by binarybits (Score:2) Tuesday March 06 2001, @01:43PM
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:05AM (#381943)
    A stupid thought: could we interpret the "copyright protection mechanism" as "a mechanism to protect people from copyrights"...?
  • Uhm... by Kryo_BigDaddy (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:05AM
  • Re:napster already filtering? by DarkClown (Score:2) Tuesday March 06 2001, @08:53AM
  • negation by Balor_one_eye (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:06AM
  • by ConceptJunkie (24823) on Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:06AM (#381947) Homepage Journal
    The "key" is knowing how to arrange the letters. If you use ROT13, the key is 13. If you XOR everything by 42 the key is 42.

    As silly as it is, I think the logic is valid. I personally prefer double or even quadruple ROT13 for maximum safety, but this is an interesting application of the "logic" used to create the DMCA.

    There's no doubt that as more and more legislation is passed, we'll see more and more examples of ludicrous conslusions drawn from the tortured reasoning behind the legislation. Face it, our generally techno-illiterate legislatures know what they want to do, but they don't know how. Preventing people from ripping off the record companies is a reasonable goal (not that they have made any effort to keep the record companies from ripping off the consumers, but that's a slightly different issue). However, any legislation that is going to work, has to crafted by people who not only understand intimately the capabilities of the state-of-the-art, but have enough insight to predict what things might be like 10, 20 or more years down the road. The current legislation smacks of 19th century law (which isn't bad in itself) and seems to completely fail to understand 21st century technology (which is disasterous).

  • Re:Pig Latin is not a copyright protection scheme by inkydoo (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @01:52PM
  • No, it's not! by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:06AM
  • Re:Filtering? I'm getting hits for Metallica. by bonehead (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @09:00AM
  • Not quite by binarybits (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @01:59PM
  • cooperation (Score:3)

    by john_uy (187459) on Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:06AM (#381952)
    it is very good that people always find a way of circumventing those big companies. if the big companies are smart, the consumers are even smarter.

    the whole p2p and file sharing industry should cooperate and try to develop a file sharing system that will NOT be countered by any government or institution or at least be stopped.

    after the napster controversy, there are numerous programs out there spawning in the hope of gaining market share from napster. better features are included in their program that is deemed to be 'unstoppable'.

    i just suggest that all of those product makers like freenet, aimster, etc. create a universal program with plug-ins for each other.

    it is nice to encrypt the data while having a p2p transfer system. you can also have index servers located worldwide that can be donated by people. you can also use the power of search engines to look for the files that you want thereby making the system rather difficult to shut down.

    for the music and movie industry, i think that the concept of pay per view or pay per hear is also good. like a person can donate a $0.01 TO THE ARTIST each time the song/movie is played. in the long run, the artists are happy and you are happy. at least you can get the most updated songs all the time.

    ha. RIAA may have won the first round. but let's wait and they will not be able to stop everybody from sharing files.

    this concept is not just for the music sharing service. this can be good to share files like newest software versions without having to create a download site. this will reduce costs for companies and improve the overall speed of the net.

    i hope that even though the unfortunate event of napster happened, the internet will not be and SHOULD NOT BE controlled.

    johnlaw

  • Pig Latin, eh? by abischof (Score:2) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:07AM
  • Re:Not Encryption by Octal (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @09:03AM
  • Re:Not Encryption by mojo-raisin (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:08AM
  • Significant non-infringing uses. . . by An Onerous Coward (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @09:05AM
  • Re:DCMA by NMerriam (Score:2) Tuesday March 06 2001, @02:33PM
  • Re:Has Anyone On /. Actually Read The DMCA? by sconeu (Score:2) Tuesday March 06 2001, @02:36PM
  • Re:No. (Score:3)

    by cetan (61150) <cetan_post@yahoo.com> on Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:08AM (#381959) Journal
    Uhm. The RIAA makes no claims about DeCSS... Last time I checked, DeCSS is the MPAA's problem.
  • Re:Has Anyone On /. Actually Read The DMCA? by Tim Browse (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @09:06AM
  • Re:No. by jlenn0n (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:08AM
  • Re:Arslay, allcay ouryay officeay! by vheissu (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @09:10AM
  • Re:guh... by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:09AM
  • Re:Legal disclaimers by Adam Jenkins (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @03:09PM
  • Re:From the Aimster Page by Bobo the Space Chimp (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @09:15AM
  • Re:From the Aimster Page by tswinzig (Score:2) Tuesday March 06 2001, @03:16PM
  • So, we've fallen for it by MikeCamel (Score:2) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:09AM
  • Re:ROT13 (Score:5)

    by Shoeboy (16224) on Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:09AM (#381968) Homepage
    Are you insane?
    Sure encryption with ROT13 is fast, but decryption is a bitch.
    Go ahead if you've got a quad xeon box, but on anything else, forget about it.
    While encryption is an linear, decryption is an N^2 operation. Even with a processor capable of performing 10^12 operations/second you'd requre months to decrypt a gigabyte of text.
    Admittedly, there's some academic research that indicates an N lg N solution for ROT13 decryption is possible, but nobody has built a working prototype.
    And don't even get me started on the amount of CPU time a ROT26 algorithm requires. It's been proven to be an NP complete problem. Can you say "computationally unfeasable"?
    I knew you could.
    --Shoeboy
  • Re:Arslay, allcay ouryay officeay! by BillyZ (Score:2) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:17AM
  • That just helps them though by Kasreyn (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @09:19AM
  • Re:Not Encryption by griffjon (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:10AM
  • They've taken aim square at their foot, and pulled the trigger. Let's see what happens as they shut napster, opennap clones, and other servers down, and piss off not just us geeks who will grumblingly return to FTP servers and ratios or guntella/freenet/mojonation/etc., but the millions of Joe Sixpacks who got highspeed access just for napster.

    The RIAA is pissing off a huge portion of their fan base. They can see the impact on their bottom line when sales decrease after napster is gone.
  • napster already filtering? by DarkClown (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:19AM
  • Re:Arslay, allcay ouryay officeay! by CodeMonky (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:19AM
  • DMCA means... by Dest (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:19AM
  • Re:Arslay, allcay ouryay officeay! by Squid (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:20AM
  • Re:Don't do this. by MrMeanie (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:20AM
  • Re:From the Aimster Page by civilizedINTENSITY (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @03:31PM
  • Umm, wouldn't this be contradicting the EULA? by Cuchulainn (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:10AM
  • Re:What if.. by BleemZ (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:10AM
  • Re:Not Encryption (Score:3)

    by SlashGeek (192010) <PeteZ28NO@SPAMsunsetorangess.com> on Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:10AM (#381981)
    Because a computational process is used, and requires an alghorithm to do autonoumsly, yes, this is encryption. Even though it may be simply interpreted by reading the name manually, this requires writing code to decrypt this on the computer level. And as soon as code is written do undo intentional scrambeling, it is considered "decryption". Since the point is here to use a computer to do this without any human intervention, this is proteceted under the DMCA.

    This has got to be some of the funniest sh*t I have heard in a while here on /. I love irony.


    "Everything that can be invented has been invented."

  • Re:No. by sacherjj (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:11AM
  • Absolutely right. by jjsaul (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:06PM
  • Pig Latin Is A Language by LaNMaN2000 (Score:2) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:11AM
  • Can't beat'm Join'm! by QwkHyenA (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:20AM
  • Anti-Circumvention by guinsu (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:21AM
  • Encryption! BAH! by Dest (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:11AM
  • Filtering? I'm getting hits for Metallica. by janimal (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:12AM
  • What they should have done... by bobb0 (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:12AM
  • Re:Don't do this. (Score:4)

    by astrashe (7452) on Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:22AM (#381990) Journal
    I think you're 100% right.

    Putting aside moral arguments on one side or another, pushing for global piracy networks doesn't make sense because it isn't winnable. I'm not saying that there won't always be file trading networks around -- just that they'll be shut down frequently, and that finding them will probably be more trouble than it's worth.

    There was an interesting article on arstechnica awhile back. The writer said that Napster's offer to the recording industry would be rejected, because it created a distribution system that would be a level playing field for small companies as well as for big companies.

    We need to shift our focus away from piracy, and towards the creation of an open and level electronic distribution system. If you want to screw the record industry, make it possible for bands to distribute and sell their own stuff efficiently without paying more than half to the record industry.

    If your position is "I want everything to be free" your voice will be marginalized, and you won't count.
  • Re:Don't do this. (Score:5)

    by cleetus (123553) on Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:23AM (#381991) Homepage
    This is just going to be more ammo for the RIAA. When Napster says to the court, "We're filtering out all copyrighted songs," the RIAA can just come back and say "No they're not; they're using Pig Latin now."

    Uh, it's not Napster that's "using pig latin," it's cohort of Napster's users. While Napster could legitimately be faulted for a weak-ass filtering system, This also serves to highlight the difficulty of content verification in general, a problem with not only Napster, but all the rest of the P2P protocols for the most part. In fact, I would argue that this problem is just a cousin to those that plague NetNanny and the like, and that it's just not worth trying to effect any content management scheme through filtering.

    This will likely result in Napster being shut down entirely

    Good. I thank Mr. Fanning for the protocol and his nifty beta software, but, like all good networking protocols, development for this one is best left open source community. if Napster could provide a service to me beyond a moderately accurate catalogue of other people's mp3s, I might think about giving them my money. Until then, the opennaps at al. will be my choice for finding music.

    Finally, I think that Aimster's citation of the DCMA as a defence for it's plugin is another reason to use it. Forcibly exposing the idiocy of this cancer of a law in such a public and widespread manner will in the end do the cause of fair use more good than harm.

    cleetus

  • Re:DCMA by eternlvoid (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:23AM
  • Re:A different filter... by MikeCamel (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:23AM
  • Pig latin Sucks. Use Worzelese by Richy_T (Score:2) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:23AM
  • Re:Not quite by Jerf (Score:2) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:16PM
  • Re:No. by Jerf (Score:2) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:20PM
  • Re:Don't do this. by Lord Kano (Score:2) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:22PM
  • they still won by hevyd (Score:2) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:13AM
  • Re:What good can come from this. by Lispy (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:13AM
  • Re:Pig Latin is not a copyright protection scheme by Stevis (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:13AM
  • Re:Don't do this. by cavemanf16 (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:14AM
  • Re:Arslay, allcay ouryay officeay! by Stavr0 (Score:2) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:14AM
  • Re:How about ROT26 by srichman (Score:2) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:14AM
  • Re:No, it's not! by plcurechax (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:14AM
  • Re:What good can come from this. by holzp (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:23AM
  • by Bonker (243350) on Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:15AM (#382006)
    Is this a good thing?

    Of course the point of this whole mess is to force the RIAA, MPAA, etc... into fighting the DMCA in court. Ironic yes, but I wonder if we're not actually starting to use the protections offered by the act they way they should be used.

    Since Napster is no longer a suitable example, I'll refer to Gnutella. With a fairly simple layer of 'copy control' encryption layered on top of the file transfer protocol, it becomes illegal for the RIAA to try to stop users from trading files. It forces them to fight the DMCA, which they lobbied for, but at the same time, it protects individual's rights to do as they will with the stuff they have bought. I want to share all my Eminem CD's, which is legal under 'fair use' but will get me whipped with a garden-hose if the RIAA has their way? This scheme allows me to do so and makes it a crime for RIAA to try to figure out that I'm doing it.

    Perhaps we should take this seriously, not to get rid of the DMCA, but to exploit the hell out of all the protections it offers to those who know how to use and abuse them while we still have the chance.

    Aimster claims to do this with some pretty good encryption, but alas, it is entirely dependant on AIM, which, frankly, sucks donkey balls. I'd much rather see the OpenNap or Gnutella guys develop something similiar.

    C'mon, Aimster. Let's see a non-AOL dependant version of your software!
  • by Rentar (168939) on Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:24AM (#382007)
    It is not described! Nowhere on this page is the algorithm actually described! There are only examples of "clear text" and "crypted text" given. You can get that with any other encryption algorithm that may not be reverse-engineered.
  • One more thing... by Dest (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:24AM
  • Re:Umm, wouldn't this be contradicting the EULA? by Dest (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:16AM
  • Re:Arslay, allcay ouryay officeay! by Rogerborg (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:25AM
  • Re:Arslay, allcay ouryay officeay! by treat (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:28AM
  • Re:Don't do this. by Squid (Score:2) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:28AM
  • MP3 Encoding by Andrewkov (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:30AM
  • Pig Latin and ROT13. by AFCArchvile (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:30AM
  • Re:Arslay, allcay ouryay officeay! by Happy Monkey (Score:2) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:31AM
  • Re:Has Anyone On /. Actually Read The DMCA? by p3d0 (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:58PM
  • ANY "protection" (restriction) system is enough by Frank T. Lofaro Jr. (Score:2) Tuesday March 06 2001, @08:39PM
  • Re:What if.. by Frank T. Lofaro Jr. (Score:2) Tuesday March 06 2001, @08:42PM
  • Re:No. by hysterion (Score:2) Tuesday March 06 2001, @08:58PM
  • Re:Don't do this. by Tower (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:59AM
  • Re:Maybe we need open source laws.... by hysterion (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @09:28PM
  • Re:Arslay, allcay ouryay officeay! by SCHecklerX (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @06:00AM
  • Re:ANY "protection" (restriction) system is enough by RedLaggedTeut (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @10:46PM
  • Re:Are you serious? by fogof (Score:2) Tuesday March 06 2001, @06:00AM
  • Re:From the Aimster Page by ralmeida (Score:1) Wednesday March 07 2001, @01:18AM
  • Re:DCMA by mrogers (Score:2) Tuesday March 06 2001, @06:01AM
  • Re:No. by Verteiron (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @06:01AM
  • by Squid (3420) on Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:32AM (#382028) Homepage
    And more importantly, when people start flocking to independent music that doesn't pull these kinds of shenanigans, sells music for reasonable prices, and generally doesn't treat the music-buying public as the enemy.
  • You don't NEED pig latin! by jasamaman (Score:2) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:32AM
  • Re:Arslay, allcay ouryay officeay! by SCHecklerX (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @06:03AM
  • Re:Arslay, allcay ouryay officeay! by sethgecko (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:32AM
  • Re:DCMA by operagost (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @06:03AM
  • by LinuxParanoid (64467) on Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:34AM (#382033) Homepage Journal
    This particular approach is bogus, since as others have pointed out, the DMCA is not about methods of encryption but about methods of copy control.

    This does raise an interesting question. How can we consumers use methods of copy control to prevent excessive and DMCA-illegal snooping by the new corporate thought police?

    --LP
  • Re:Arslay, allcay ouryay officeay! by ConceptJunkie (Score:2) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:34AM
  • I love one particular line from that site by AFCArchvile (Score:1) Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:34AM
  • by Squid (3420) on Tuesday March 06 2001, @05:35AM (#382036) Homepage
    If, for some reason the RIAA was violating the DMCA, how long do you think it would be before the same lawmakers who wrote the damn thing in the first place fixed the bug in the law to make AIMster the bad guys?

    Orrin Hatch, one of the key players, has already dropped strong hints that he's not happy where the DMCA has gone. I suppose next time he should READ proposed legislation before he votes for it. But anyway.

    And, just curious, but totally unrelated, of course, but how much has the RIAA and its members given to the Republican party in the past year?
    How 'bout the Democrats?


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